Any Takers For a Green Stimulus? Senate Bill Lowballs Mass Transit
We've been talking about this for a while now, but mass transit is getting woefully little attention in the economic recovery proposals released so far by Democrats.
The House's stimulus bill, which is slated for a final vote on Wednesday, included only $10 billion for rail and other public transportation projects, compared with $30 billion for roads. (According to House transportation committee chairman Jim Oberstar (D-MN), the decision was made to leave enough room for tax cuts.)
But what about the Senate, where the second- and third-ranked leaders are blue-state mass-transit boosters Dick Durbin (D-IL) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY)? As it turns out, the upper chamber of Congress is doing even worse.
The Senate Appropriations Committee's draft stimulus includes just $9.5 billion for mass transit projects -- "very frustrating," in the words of Adam Terando, who's done great work on this issue.
Aside from the fact that mass transit is among the biggest proven job creators under consideration, expanding high-speed rail and Amtrak is undeniably better for the environment than spending highway money without strict limits on new road construction. As Matt Yglesias notes, Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR) is taking the lead on mass transit in the House ... so who will step up in the Senate? The appropriations panel is marking up its stimulus tomorrow.
Here's a list of senators on the committee, in case anyone wants to place a friendly constituent call.














I wish Biden would say something on this.
January 26, 2009 12:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you think Biden can do? He said that he is there in the room with the President when all decisions are made. I'm sure he's voiced his opinion, whatever it may be, but don't look for him to come out and say something against Obama regarding the bill.
January 26, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
He can cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate, and use a corner of the bully pulpit.
Beyond that, insofar as the Senate is concerned, I don't think there's much he can do.
January 26, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
If he's told the President his opinion, and advocated his position, then that's all I'm asking. I just think he's well suited to make an impression, being that he's the VP of the USA and a lifelong train commuter.
January 26, 2009 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's last year's Appropriations Committee -- still has Ted Stevens and Larry Craig on it. Who are the new members?
January 26, 2009 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
http://appropriations.senate.gov/members.cfm
January 26, 2009 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bear with me, but since funding is a kind of closed system, doesn't the funding of highways allow the states to use money under their control for local mass transit issues? Not that this is going to actually happen, but I think the idea is valid.
My question is probably more "Doesn't Federal funding for 'project A' potentially free up local funding for other 'project B's?"
January 26, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
That list is a bit out of date. The GOP members include 4 former senators: Allard, Stevens, Domenici and Craig. (those pictures are woefully out of date as well - when was the last time Specter had that much hair let-alone have it black?)
Does anyone know if there are any new Democratic members on the committee?
January 26, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great, just great. More shit for brains politicians. Maybe we should start two new parties. The biggest appropriation should be for mass transit and rail improvements. Duh. These bozos are living in the 70's or something. No more new road construction. Fix what we have and build mass transit in the major cities. It will help alleviate the foreign oil imports tremendously. Why are these people so f'n stupid?
January 26, 2009 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn good question.
I just called my Senator here in CT,(Dodd, since I try not to ackwoledge that the other guy even exists), and reminded him that tens of thousands of his constituents take the train to work every day. I also pointed out that highway projects may create jobs in the short term, but unless they plan on expanding CT into the Long Island Sound or taking thousands of houses by eminent domain, they will do little to alleviate the awful traffic on our roads and nothing to limit air pollution or our reliance on foreign energy oil.
January 26, 2009 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just thought I should add that the staffer I talked to was very nice, listened to everything I had to say, and stated Sen. Dodd was committed to rail projects. Couldn't get much more out of them than that, but the staffer seemed to suggest the wrangling had just begun over the final bill.
January 26, 2009 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heck, maybe even try the other guy too. Think of ways to assuage his ego or something: "Oh great Senator, we sad common people require your thoughtful mindfulness" might be a good way to start the request. He's probably used to people beginning phone calls with phrases like "Can i speak to that f'n traitor?"
January 26, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The longer you guys wait to implement a more effective mass transit system - the more difficult and expensive it will become.
Never understood the opposition, except to say the automobile industry has you guys in a squeeze.
January 27, 2009 12:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I understand the desire for the mass transit spending, but wasn't it just a couple of years ago that everyone was complaining about the 10s of thousands of apparently crumbling bridges throughout the country (there was a bridge collapse somewhere that really brought all this to a head, but I can't remember the specifics)?
I'm not sure I see why the spending on roads is seen as the enemy here.
January 26, 2009 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's a big difference between REPAIR of roads/bridges - which, I agree, is a reasonable use of the stimulus - and massive sprawling highway expansion which, unfortunately, is likely to be what a huge chunk of the highway money is used for.
Elana - have you taken a look at where the big road builders and their associations are making contributions? That would be very interesting! I think there could well be a connection - see it here in Wisconsin, even w/ a Dem governor. The construction unions also like big roads. Meanwhile, transit takes a back seat.
January 26, 2009 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why are you assuming most of the money will be for new construction? I haven't seen anything to that effect. In fact, most of what I've been reading says the opposite, which makes sense. New construction has a long lead time because you have lots of studies to decide where to put it, environmental impact studies, land purchases, etc., etc., etc. Most projects take 5+ years before the first shovel meets the dirt. This is true for both highway and rail projects
I suspect that's the main reason so few rail projects are included. There are an awful lot of existing roads and bridges that are badly in need of repair, but except for buying some new rail cars and a section of track here and there, where can you spend the money on rail systems in the next 18 months?
January 26, 2009 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
lots of highway projects waiting in the wings. Just as an example, from my state, "Another $2 billion will be requested to widen and “modernize” Interstate 94 from Milwaukee all the way to the Illinois border. Though it won’t achieve any significant reductions in drive times, this investment is projected to add more than 200,000 new vehicle miles (and 80 tons of carbon emissions) per day."
http://www.planetizen.com/node/37060
meanwhile, rail and other transit languish here.
January 26, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
But how many of those rail projects can be ready to start in the next year? Remember the purpose of this bill - it's an economic stimulus, not a transportation bill. The money needs to start flowing quickly. No matter how worthwhile the project is, if it's not ready to start construction, it shouldn't be included in this bill.
January 26, 2009 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, some states probably will act differently. New Mexico has a large ongoing rail construction (Albuquerque just got the first rail commuter link to Santa Fe last month with more links on the way), but other states don't. For example, I'd love to see what Arizona would do with their money (can you say more Phoenix sprawl?).
January 26, 2009 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
any widening projects funded by the stimulus should include a lane for HOV and/or a dedicated mass transit easement. we dont need more lanes, we need more smart decisions.
i personally cant believe that in this 800 billion stimulus that such a small portion of the funding actually go toward projects that can push our infrastructre into the next century as the envy of the developed world. Mass transit is a big gaping hole in this thing.
Leave it to the House to slam this thing full of BS. This crap needs to stop. Fund road and bridge repair (not expansion), fund mass transit, fund green power grants and implemention, fund electrical grid upgrade and improvements, and fund a mortgage restucturing program that makes sense....like a 3% 30 yr fixed rate to any homeowner that wants it. (and you can only do it for one house, sorry house flippers, but you need to feel the burn of bad business decision making.)
all of the little projects thrown in here and there need to go. figure that out later. get the economy moving.
January 26, 2009 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
This shouldn't be a choice between highway spending and mass transit spending. There are other areas funding can be diverted from - the House bill has 4.5 Billion to rebuild barracks and the like. Put that into rail - the defense department doesn't need stimulus.
January 27, 2009 11:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Simple explanation for less Senate support are the two senators from states that have little population, few to zero urban centers, and therefore no incentive to promote light rail. Perhaps the NE folks don't have this issue, but anyone traveling on Amtrak through the Midwest can be shunted to the side for freight traffic. It makes arrival times a bit touch and go.
In the long term, rail has its place in our transportation system--and perhaps a much larger place that it currently occupies. But don't expect politicians from the "empty" states to enthusiastically support funding for it. And it shouldn't escape our notice that the "empty" states are kinda red.
January 26, 2009 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Repairing current infrastructure is a losing proposition as long as traffic increases at 67% over the next decade. If you can, read the latest issue of the Washington Monthly. In his article "Back on Tracks," Phillip Longman makes a compelling argument for spending much more money on freight railway infrastructure.
Long-haul trucks, out of proportion to their numbers, are responsible for infrastructure degradation, traffic deaths, and traffic congestion. Virginia DOT estimates that $2B invested in Norfolk Southern infrastructure will eliminate 20% of current I-81 truck traffic. A ten to twelve year investment of $8B will remove 30% of future truck traffic off I-81. Compare this to the $11B it takes to widen I-81.
$250B-$500B invested in electrified rail infrastructure would get 85% of long-haul trucks off the road, reduce greenhouse emissions by 38%, and grow the economy by 13%. It's win-win for all. Truck companies want this, drivers could sleep while accompanying their containers on rail, car drivers will rejoice, highway and bridge damage would be minimized, maintenance costs would be reduced -- all because steel on steel is far more efficient by orders of magnitude than rubber on concrete -- and electricity is far kinder to the environment than diesel.
January 26, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow great info on those damn highway clogging trucks! I know that big trucks do the vast majority of damage to roads everywhere. If you had only car traffic most roads and highways would last much much longer, getting a much better return on investment. Those huge heavy fully loaded trucks you see everywhere are beating the shit out of our transportation system much faster than we can repair. I know they pay much higher fees than cars for this very reason, but no where near what the actual costs are.
It completely pisses me off that here in Los Angeles we have been begging and pleading to get a modern subway system built under this car crazy megalopolis and yet here we go again putting all out money into more damned freeways to the suburbs! The plans for a subway under the most populated areas has been in place for at least two decades now but the money is never there to build it. So here we are with the chance of a lifetime to get mass transit funded in congress and they don't even put up a fight. I really hate how our government works. It just rewards stupidity .....
January 26, 2009 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
For a simple, quick and effective way to help LRT, there should be money to purchase new rail cars. Most systems are short of railcars.
January 26, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not just rail but light rail and other forms of mass transit. I use to live in Cleveland and used their transit system nearly all the time. There was nearly no place I could not get to on the Rapid and/or buss. And compared to having to drive, it was much easier. Not having to worry about parking, rush hour traffic and not a crazy making. Especially in the winter.
If you see the car...kill the car.
C
January 26, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here for current committee members:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_Appropriations#Members.2C__111th_Congress
January 26, 2009 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mass transit is the only smart way to go, and this is the time, if there ever was one, for a paradigm shift in thinking about what transportation should look like in the future. What an opportunity! But keep in mind the adjustments that would need to be made eventually to accommodate mass transit. This isn't just about highway transportation versus mass transit, it's more about autos and anything autos need, such as ....highways, oil, repairs, etc. This is the pivotal point between the old paradigm and the new one. The manufacturing base in this country is down drastically due to outsourcing, and car manufacturing is one of the big ones that is left standing so far, employing a good many people. People who have mass transit options available don't own as many cars, so car sales would likely decrease. We have far too many car manufacturers in this country as it is, and now the South is in a battle with the North on the bailout of the Big 3. And I don't imagine that oil companies are too thrilled with the discussion of new mass transit systems being built. Congress may not be saying any of this publicly, but you can bet that it's what they're thinking.
January 26, 2009 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"and this is the time, if there ever was one, for a paradigm shift.."
I agree with your statement, but not your certitude. There is still too much oil induustry influence in DC, both Democrats and republicans, and even if Obama had the power to do it NOW, he would probably lose that power if he tried to exercise it.
This issue is at the core of the energy problem, and it is where the robber-barrons still dwell. I would hope that time had come, but i am guessing we are looking at 2010 or 2012 before we see mass transit get the populist support we are trying to foment here. Just too many people do not know what has been done to them, and the MSM is owned by the people who did it to them. So unless they read Da Blogs, they aren't going top hear about it.
But, I sincerely hope I am wrong. The sooner we become determined make a deliberate change, and the public demands that it's demands be met, the sooner we will see maglev and high-speed rail on the ground.
January 26, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is unbelievable. How can they say that this county is committed to going green when they don't support the easiest alternatives. When spending on roads triples that of public transportation there is a problem. Though we do need to focus on alternate fuels we need to have a solution for our current situation because the fuels will only help farther down the road. Public transportation allows so much transportation for a large amount of people
January 26, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
CALL YOUR SENATOR! CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN! BITCH A BLUE STREAK! NOW IS THE TIME FOR MASS TRANSIT IN AMERICA!
January 26, 2009 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
This goes back to the days when they tore out all the spur lines around the country, and started hauling all the grain and goods on the highways by diesel truck.
Can't imagine what special interest group might benefit from such a short-sighted policy... the gas and oil lobby, maybe?
One dayt, when we have the opportunity available, we will look back on that event as one of the bits of evidence that there were (are)some greedy billionaires managing our lawmakers.
Obviously, they are still pulling someone's strings.
January 26, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, the highway system was never intended for the kind of truck traffic we deal with today, it was intended primarily for autos and emergency military events.
But if you can sell a few million diesel trucks and keep them burning ten times the fuel that the same rail transport would require, you are talking about numbers in the upper billions over the years.
So, instead of our goods and long-distance passengars travelling by train, we were forced into an airline/auto economy by the string-pullers. Heck, they can take us to war in Iraq, why would anyone doubt they could dismantle our mass transit system, quite deliberately.
It sure didn't happen by chance. Or in response to public demand. This was supply-side manipulation of the worst order, and considering it happened mostly during the Reagan/Bush1 epoch, that too should come as no real surprise.
January 26, 2009 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sent the letter below -- yours to use as-is or edited. (Thanks for the great info and links!)
Dear Senator ...,
Mass transit and freight rail are not receiving an adequate share of the funding in the economic stimulus bill currently being debated in the Senate. In this time of economic hardship and environmental crisis, this is a critical omission.
A 2007 paper by the Institute for Policy Studies (http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/071001-jobcreation.pdf) shows that government investment in mass transit produces more jobs per dollar than defense, tax cuts, health care, or home construction. Investment in freight rail infrastructure could considerably decrease congestion and greenhouse emissions produced by long-haul trucks.
As a constituent, grateful for your past leadership on the environment and mass transit, I look to you for leadership on this issue.
Kind Regards, etc.
January 26, 2009 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
EXCELLENT! I'm plaigarizing this, if you don't mind, thanks for a concise version that anyone can claim.
I'll send it to Brownback, Roberts and Moran, wish I had a better list with more potential for actually influencing their votes, but I guess you go with the tools you have, not the ones you want...
Where have we heard that before?
One of the political activist organizations, like Move-On, should take this very letter and send it out to their members for distribution. I've signed on to similar causes.
And the unions need to support this (especially the RR workers union, which I was a member of one summer between semesters back in the 70's.. hardest work I ever did, loved it immensely, and it made me stronger) because it does create union jobs.
I would guess ther are some reliable sites on the toobz that reveal the savings in transporting via rail, the difference is so stark, it is shameful we ever let the auto/oil industry (not necessarilly in that order) take out our spur lines, that will bring the cost of REAL mass rail transit that reaches every little town and village, up so high, it might be completely daunting.
Surely they didn't PLAN that?
Prob'ly so...
January 27, 2009 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking as a long-time transit activist, there is a silver lining here. A very large number of shovel-ready transit projects in the pipeline for Federal dollars are literally "bridges-to-nowhere" white elephant projects. FTA cost-effectiveness guidelines in recent years have been completely thrown out, replaced by Congressional earmarks (with Madame Speaker being the primary culprit).
The danger just isn't wasted capital expenditures, but long-term disinvestment in local bus systems, since rail projects (and these are primarily rail projects we are talking about) that end up being underutilized require exorbitant ridership subsidies (which has to be paid by the local operator).
I'll let other riders report on their own metro areas, but in mine (SF Bay Area), any infrastructure stimulus would get thrown into giant Big Dig sink holes; i.e.: San Francisco Central Subway project, San Jose BART extension, and various airport PeopleMover(tm) systems. None of these projects serve a real purpose (beyond taxpayer gift to construction mafia) which couldn't be solved through more cost-effective solutions that don't involve digging giant holes in the ground.
January 27, 2009 1:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Struck me reading this,
from Despite Flags, Citigroup and M.T.A. Cut Bond Deal, New York Times 1/27that part of what might be going on is that new projects (which would be the job creators) would be looked at jealously by those congressional reps who have already-created mass transit projects in their districts that are currently deep in financial doodoo? Expansion in some areas when death is going on in other areas is always problematic...
January 27, 2009 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any idea what the deal is with the Nadler amendment?
January 27, 2009 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink