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Barack Obama, Hawk

A stunning moment, a great speech. I don't think any single line will enter the lexicon like Kennedy's "ask not" or FDR's "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Obama's "age of responsibility" seemed flat, forgettable. But the moments that punctuated it like the call for the end of "childish things" gave it a momentum that made it greater than the sum of its parts.

There was a liberal, JFK hawkishness about the speech that I found compelling. There was the martial memory of Valley Forge, but also "we will defeat you" and we "will not apologize for our way of life." There was the expected outstretched hand to the Muslim world--made all the more powerful by the once verboten word Hussein echoing across the Mall. But the stern words about terrorism were more extensive and explicit and impressive than I would have expected. I loved his challenge "to those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West"--the West, there's a phrase you don't hear a lot anymore. It was a shot at the like of Hugo Chavez. He used the word "war" and promised our enemies "defeat." The explicit defense of the market and capitalism was unexpected and refreshing. Kind of wish he'd mentioned Fallujah along with Normandy and Khe Sahn. (If you think Iraq and Vietnam were the wrong wars, then Fallujah belongs in that line as much as Khe Sahn, since he was discussing service not policy.)

The linkages with the past, the "for us", rhetorical device gave it the historical lift. Has the word "swill" ever been used in an inaugural?

That said, I thought the dis of Bush-era interrogation measures and civil liberties shortcuts was also stronger and more explicit than I would have thought. It was a pretty bald shot at his predecessor.

And the Joe Lowery's finish, humorous and poignant, was a incredible finish, far better than having, say, Obama invoking King by name. If there's any better living witness to the King years, it's hard to think of one. Mercifully, the phrase "yes, we can"--powerful but now hammered to death--was left in the campaign file.

By the way, on the oath flub, someone who works with Roberts told me that he had practiced the oath extensively. It seemed to me that Roberts flubbed and not Obama, but I'll leave that to the replays.


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Matt, do some research! Roberts twisted the words! Gee, do you really belong on such a credible site as this? You will need to change your ways!

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SunnyBright, this is animadversion.

The site is fortunate to have a seasoned journalist on the team. Give the new guy a chance, eh?

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In his typical old-journalist-think manichean manner, Cooper is trying to over-simplify Obama as a hawk based on this speech.

It's a really bad shoehorn job. I reject it outright.

This afternoon I heard Rachel Maddow characterize Obama's foreign-policy approach as that of an owl, rather than a hawk. It seems to me to that an owl, with its reputation for wisdom and carefully-timed, swiftly-dealt blows, is a much more apt metaphor for Obama's approach, for the sort of foreign ploicy we need to employ as a nation.

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On another, subtler level, this is delicious.

When Robert's was selected, I recall that he was known to be a stickler for detail.

Apparently, in the past, lots of subordinates, and perhaps many not so subordinate, would pass their memos to him and we would return them all marked up in red ink correcting the grammar usage.

Funny. A guy that much of a stickler, goofing the biggest most important and some ways simplest act of his life: reciting the oath of office to Obama.

What a boof.

BTW I always thought this to be a bad sign about Roberts. Legal education and system prefers inductive logic. Roberts demonstrates this in his detail strict scrutiny of grammar. The problem with people like this is they don't see the big picture, and for the sake of morality stumble into commiting massive immoral acts or mistakes.

The emphasis on inductive, as opposed to decuctive logic in legal education and testingis the reason so much of the legal profession is flawed with so many lawyers of dubious moral character has to do with the fact that the education system relies too much upon inductive logic as the main attribute it looks for and test for to become lawyers. (don't get me wrong - a system that relies upon precedent and nuance must have people very adept at induction - but that emphasis alone creates the proplems that exist in the legal profession today).

Well, this should serve as a warning shot to make him aware of the limitations of his characteristics. Like most warning shots, it will probably be ignored, especially by some one so inductively oriented.

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I'm no fan of Roberts, but geez....the guy had a brain fart. Cut him some slack.

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Agreed, so he flubbed a few words. I'm guessing that he thought of the billions that will be influenced by the coming words and the pressure got to him.

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I don't think any Supreme Court justice has ever gone to that podium without the script. He prided himself on memorizing the whole 35 words and he screwed it up. As with so many Bush appointees he thinks he's better than anyone else and most unfortunately like the man who appointed him, he's deluded himself into thinking he's better than he is. He's the best the Federalist Society has to offer and like Nazi nuclear bomb scientists they're only as good as their exclusive little club. And as the race for the atom bomb proved that's not nearly good enough.

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I think it's time to seriously consider impeachment.

Chief Justice Roberts is supposed to be an expert on the Constitution. The presidential oath is written, word-for-word, in the Constitution.

One of the duties of his job, explicitly described in the Constitution, is to administer this oath.

Roberts has shown that he does NOT know the Constitution, and that he is unable to perform the duties of his position.

So I say IMPEACH ROBERTS NOW!!

-- ARG

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I think Obama is going to get to appoint about 5 new SC justices over the next 8 years and that is going to be punishment enough for Roberts.

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Matt, I was thinking he should have mentioned Iraq when he was talking about our service members. You are right, Fallujah would have been the appropriate name.

Welcome to TPM from a long time reader. And rare commenter.

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Nah Fallujah is all wrong. Both the first battle (revenge for the 4 dead contractors battle) and the second (the post 2004 election Bush is here to stay battle).

If you want to cite Iraq better a shout out is to the soldiers who took a knee in front of Iraqi civilians during the initial invasion in Najaf or the ones who pacified Tal Afar, however ephemeral that victory turned out to be.

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"he talked about war! awesome!!!!!!!!"

jeez, dude.

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That said, I thought the dis of Bush-era interrogation measures and civil liberties shortcuts was also stronger and more explicit than I would have thought. It was a pretty bald shot at his predecessor.

I agree, but it was not an unwelcome shot, AFAIC.

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It was a necessary shot, and I can't stand it when the media attempts to whitewash the horrible mistakes of the Bush years.

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Matt's ways aside, the first thing I thought of during Obama's oath was that by tonight some wackjob is going to file a lawsuit claiming that Obama is not a legitimate president because the oath was incorrect.

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Seriously. I can just hear the whispering now.

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Of course they're ignorant enough not to realize it was Roberts who didn't know the oath well!

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Roberts is the leader of the right-wing whackjob conspiracy.  He knows Obama is not a natural-born citizen.  He did his part to protect Real America from this illegitimate President.

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LOL!

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The 20th Amendment to the Constitution clearly states the transfer of power occurs at noon on January 20 and does not mention the oath. My understanding of the Constitution is that Amendments trump anything prior, thus updating Article II, Section I. ( http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html ) It's simply a formality/tradition.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html

AMENDMENT XX

Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.

Note: Article I, section 4, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of this amendment. In addition, a portion of the 12th amendment was superseded by section 3.

Section 1.
The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

Section 2.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

Section 3.
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

Section 4.
The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

Section 5.
Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.

Section 6.
This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission.

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Yes, now the horrible truth can be revealed. No. 44 was born in a Red Brigades training camp in Cuba before going deep cover in a cell in Pyongyang. Roberts is struggling to fight a Pakistan mind-control regime targeted, as you say, at whackjobs.

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And ignorant enough not to know that the oath is a ceremonial touch, and that Obama became president at 12:01 PM.

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Right you are!

But it does make you wonder. If he can't refer to the Constitution correctly at a ceremony, can he be trusted to do so when deciding cases?

You just have to wonder...

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That is what I'm saying.

Impeach Roberts now!!

He demonstrated that he does not know the Constitution, and that he is unable to perform one of the duties of his job explicitly described in the Constitution.

-- ARG

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Talk about sour grapes. This is too funny, from the NYT Blog:

“A Downer” for Limbaugh | 1:13 p.m. Rush Limbaugh wasted no time in describing how unimpressed he was with President Obama’s speech, which he called an “acceptance speech” instead of an inaugural address.

Mr. Limbaugh said it “fell flat” and played more like a campaign speech, which he said not surprise him because he expects the Obama administration to continue the campaign, the way he said the Clinton administration did. He excluded the Bush administration from that comparison, though it was frequently criticized in other places for staying permanently in campaign mode.

The event was “over-hyped,” he said, and added that he saw “more energy at a McCain campaign rally and 10 times the energy at a Sarah Palin rally.” He also said the speech only drew reactions from comments about race and that it contained “elements of socialism.”

Mr. Limbaugh said he did not like the “classical music,” which he said contributed to the mood becoming “a downer.”

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He finds energy in insanity!

That's my short version.

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Limbaugh lacks any ability to comprehend compound sentences, hence that reaction.

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If I'm not mistaken it was a rendition of Ode to the Common Man. Something LimpBall's isn't.

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Yes, it was an arrangement of Aaron Copland's work.

Limbaugh is irrelevant today.

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Irrelevant, yes. But still a big fat joke, as I was pointing out.

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Not exactly; rather, it was a different version from the same source material Copland used. The melody is an old (19th century) Shaker hymn ("Simple Gifts"); Copland incorporated it into Appalachian Spring. Liberal Protestants who grew up in the '60s will likely recognize it as the tune used in the song "Lord of the Dance" (written long before that hideous Michael Flatley character ever came along).

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Thank you for connecting all the dots. I remember Lord of the Dance as well. In fact, it was one of my favorite songs to sing in church.

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Wow, Rush didn't like the classical music because it was a downer? I think his critique upon the music was just an expression of his feelings: Today isn't a good day for him?

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Until Obama gets whole heartedly on board with the policy of "Feed the Rich, Starve Everyone and Everything Else", you wont hear Limbaugh say anything good about Obama.

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No memorable phrases? What about

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.

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that is a very memorable passage.

i think what matt was referring to is a catchphrase type of moment from the speech- something that can be summed up in 25 words or less.

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The whole thing was memorable. So what there wasn't a sound bite?

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What about:

our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility

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True. On re-reading Cooper's statement I see that's what he was getting at. But I'm disappointed that though we who visit liberal blogs may decry the paucity of our political analysis and the narrowness of the Mainstream media's vision, we quickly apply their limited tools to evaluating this same speech. As if we needed some 25 word sound-bite that could go on the evening news to call a speech one of the truly memorable and great ones. I think of Lincoln's memorial, where they have carved both the entire Gettysburg address and the key passage of the second inaugural for all to read, and you are struck dumb not just by the poetry of the man's tongue, but by the wisdom of his character. This speech was profound in that it stated subtly, so subtly that no one has caught one yet, that not only is Obama putting away our blind reliance on the unfettered and undisciplined market, but also our blind illusion that we can achieve peace and prosperity both at home and abroad without embracing the institutions of global cooperation and governance. That is breath-takingly revolutionary. But did anyone notice that, we in a society that can't even generate the political will to pay our UN dues?

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Roberts "practiced extensively" and still flubbed the oath -- a whole 36 words? Wow. Glad this guy has his lifetime appointment.

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If he flubbed a simple 36 word oath, it makes one wonder about the foundation of his legal thinking.

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I had the same thought ... posted above before I saw this here. You have to wonder...

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Good take on the speech so shortly after it was given. It was Roberts who flubbed, both in cadence/tempo and misstating the oath. Used wrong preposition ie. to instead of of. Prez waited for a correction and finally Roberts got the cue.

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The AP reported that it was Roberts who flubbed the oath, and just a few minutes ago, I saw Roberts mouth "I'm sorry. I screwed that up" to Obama during the congressional luncheon.

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Oh, brother. Matt, you wax positively rhapsodic over the "tough-guy" elements in the speech, the only thing you notice about the far more extensive sections upholding the rule of law and our place in the community of nations is to suggest it was somehow inappropriately "bald." I can see already that TPMDc is going to be an extreme disappointment with you at the helm. Oh well, Josh's writing is still worth coming to the mothership for.

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I miss Greg.

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Me too.

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Me three. Would love to have his take on the speech.

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Wonder if his new place at WaPo has been launched yet?

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Yes, just when he was giving us these great essays... But he said he'd like to be associated with Josh again down the road. So I hope that happens. :)

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Word. What does Matt Cooper bring to TPM that can't be found by listening to a hundred other unctuous little time-serves in the MSM?

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Chris Wallace of Fox News actually said Obama is not the President b/c he flubbed the oath.

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Chris Wallace isn't known for his brightness.

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Indeed.

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Embarassing. Seriously.

Chris? You're no Mike.

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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/01/20/obama.takes.oath.cnn

Obama taking the Oath. Roberts screwed it up. Obama stopped and signaled to Roberts (he overtly nodded at him) to repeat the phrase. Obama got it right off the bat that Roberts had screwed it up.

How sad. Chief Justice? ...God.

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On a serious note, what I found interesting was how President Obama re-framed what government could be for Americans in this paragraph:

"The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works — whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified."

It also was a rebuke of the coming Republican arguments against any increases in government spending.

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I completely agree. In his speech, he really REframed the way that we should operate, not only the Government itself but us, the citizens.

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Exactly---it also rebuked Reagan's first inaugural speech when Reagan said that government wasn't the solution, that it was the problem.

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The angle I got was government is a two-way street. It helps the public and the public helps it.

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The only thing duller today than Barack Obama's speech is this Cooper comment. The speech has been over for about an hour and I can't remember anything that was said.

The Magic Man was off today, both in terms of performance and rhetoric.

Still -- Hallelujah!

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The most memorable quote I remember is when President Obama stated we were entering an era of responsibility to ourselves, our Nation and the world.

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I loved his speech. He didn't just give us platitudes and gung ho -- he gave credit to and paid homage to the forces that got him elected (that's us, guys): "...we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord," "...we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our politics."

My favorite line: "the time has come to set aside childish things." Go to your room, Georgie. The adults are here.

Fiddler, long-time reader, first-time poster

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Fiddler, long-time reader, first-time poster

Welcome!

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Glad you're here - along with the adults! :)

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Matt:

I don't think any single line will enter the lexicon like Kennedy's "ask not" or FDR's "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Wrong.

"These things are old. These things are true."

Bolt of thunder phrasing.

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Mercifully, the phrase "yes, we can"--powerful but now hammered to death--was left in the campaign file.

If I wasn't mistaken though didn't the crowd start chanting it shortly after the speech was done?

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Wasn't ... yes we can ... replaced with ... now we must ...?

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I think I heard "yes we can" and "yes we will."

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Though I expect great things from the Obama administration, particularly due to the change to competency from cronyism, I was underwhelmed by Obama's speech.

I greatly appreciated the Bush/Cheney smackdown but I thought much of the speech consisted of platitudes.

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No memorable lines?

these things are old - these things are true.

we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.

we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers.

I could go on...

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I don't remember an inauguration when the crowd chanted the incoming president's name, nor one with two million participants.

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It's only platitudes if we fail to follow through

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[quote] "to those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West"--the West, there's a phrase you don't hear a lot anymore. It was a shot at the like of Hugo Chavez.[/quote]

Hon, Hugo Chavez [i]is[/i] a Western leader. We're all still waiting for Obama to acknowledge what has been the real world conflict for at least two centuries: between North and South.

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"We're" = you, me and Noam.

Pretty much.

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I expected the talking heads to poopoo the speech because that is what they do. We live in a different time when folks want to tear down people and moments rather than build them up. If JFK's inauguration was given in today's peanut gallery climate he would be derided as well. Sure they can say they've watched JFK' and FDR's speeches many times and judge it solely on what was said and all that blather, but I think it's more the case they don't want to deride history and out themselves as the buffoons they are.

Limbaugh would've praised a Republican President if they burped into the microphone. I don't even know why folks listen to his hyper-partisan mumbo jumbo. Limbaugh is only going to get worse because he needs to keep up the political rancor in order to pad his bank account. He's a divided America profiteer.

We live in a society of instant gratification and very short attention spans. If you believe it fell flat and was forgettable, that's more a condemnation of youself than the speech. Talking heads dissect and criticize everything moments after it was said - killing it before it even had a chance to live.

I would suggest that folks who are deriding the speech, either go and read a transcript or rewatch the speech with an open mind, now that you've all had the chance to show your self importance by running to your soapbox and rattle off criticisms.

Obama's inauguration didn't reach the levels of JFk or FDR's or Lincolns but those were masterpieces from different times. Obama didn't have a chance - in the modern day none ever will.

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I spent the evening replaying MLK & RFK speeches. Could have added Jesse Jackson and Bill Clinton. As someone commented, it was a mix of an inauguration speech and the State of the Union. No, don't blame it on the times, it just wasn't a very well done speech. His victory speech in November was much better.

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And roundly mocked by "the other side". This wasn't just to Democrats and wasn't about rallying supporters to the next challenge in the election march.

I think different folks were looking for/expecting different things. If he gave the speech you hoped he gave, somebody else would have hated it.

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Disagree, Des. I absolutely think it is the times, and I think Obama knows, and has recognized, what most of the nation, and the world, does not. That we are in a mess beyond our imaginings. So far, it's been largely financial - lost numbers - but daily now, it's jobs. And it's gonna run for years.

Look how the speech started & ended. "The oath is taken amidst gathering clouds & raging storm...." and, "In this winter of our hardship...." He's speaking to many who are still in denial, many who hope he can magically save us.

And ending with a stunningly honest conclusion about where we are. One that we're probably not going to get for many months. To compare today to the days freezing by that river? He could have picked any other period. The FACT that he didn't go with high-flown stuff should tell us something.

"America. In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words. With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter...."

I think he actually means it.

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He may mean it, but it wasn't his poetic best. Too much came out sounding cliched.

The comment above implied that there's no room anymore for knock-down memorable eternal speeches, that those are relics of history. No, history didn't end, there will still be surprising new ways of using the language to inspire and surprise us.

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I think it's much ado about nothing with Roberts and Obama. I think both were partially to blame. I think Obama jumping the gun to repeat the opening phrase threw off Roberts, who then botched the second phrase. While I would have obviously preferred a perfect oath, I think the way it happened added certain humility and realness to the whole situation.

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Kennedy's had a seizure at the luncheon.

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Apparently Byrd collapsed as well.

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Obama's hawkishness, so beloved by Matt Cooper, was to me the first major off-putting part of the speech.

Mentioning the so-called GWOT less than 2 minutes in (didn't you read what British FM David Miliband said last week?) was gratuitously hawkish.

My skeptical antennae went up from there.

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Did your antennae pick up, "our power grows through its prudent use"? Or, "we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"?


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David Sanger, writing in the NY Times, gives a much more honest and accurate assessment of the speech than Matt Cooper, above, who is clearly projecting his own psychic need for domination onto the president's words.

Yet every time Mr. Obama urged Americans to “choose our better history,” to make decisions according to science instead of ideology, to reject a “false choice” between safety and American ideals, to recognize that American military power does not “entitle us to do as we please,” he signaled a commitment to pragmatism not just as a governing strategy but as a basic value.
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This was not in the league of Kennedy, FDR or Lincoln. More like vintage Jimmy Carter. It was a lecture. American's don't want to be lectured. There was nothing motivational about it, no call to action.

And the markets tanked. Now there's hope for ya. Happy days are here again!....not.

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You're an idiot. The market drop was led by bank stocks reacting to the weekend news that B of A, having swallowed a big turkey, now has indigestion.

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The market is generally considered to predict conditions six months from now. With the excitement of Obama the market thinks the economy will suck in six months. THAT was the message from the market today. Obama's start...no hope...no confidence.

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I didn't vote for the man because he makes nice speeches. I voted for him because of what he said he would do. There will be mistakes and missteps - you can't tackle a job this large and complex without some. He'll be better than Bush, but that's a pretty low bar. Greatness? Maybe we should wait on putting his face on Mt. Rushmore until after we see how things work out. For now, I'll settle for simple competence, integrity and sanity. Then let's see if we can work up from there.

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The biggie for me was his use of Corinthians in regards to "putting away childish things." I am still getting chills from that.

We have been childish for a long time. American Idol. Hardball. OJ. Shock and Awe. The old battles of the sixties played out like a syndicated Punch and Judy show. We have been behaving like kids with matches.

We now have adult problems. No more wartime escapades and white man burdens. No more hating one side or the other reflexively. We are drowning in childishness.

Obama's call for maturity, a maturity borne from an awakening of compassion... That will stick with me for life.

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Yup. Best line.

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Kind of wish he'd mentioned Fallujah along with Normandy and Khe Sahn. (If you think Iraq and Vietnam were the wrong wars, then Fallujah belongs in that line as much as Khe Sahn, since he was discussing service not policy.)

It would have messed up the cadence of the line. There are a thousand other battlefields he didn't mention.

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Obama is not a soundbyte kind of guy. He's a comprehensive thinker. This address reflected that.

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Obama's speech rorsharch test V:3.028

Former Hillary partisan and grudging Obama admirer Col Pat Lang:

"I had not expected this speech. This was a workman's speech, the speech of a man impatient to get on with the serious business of the Republic. It was bony, filled with policy statements and demands for sacrifice and seriousness of purpose. He is a serious man. It would have been oh so easy for someone of his literary skill to have crafted a speech that would have sung to the ages. I expected that, something like the seductive words of the poet president he so admires. Instead, we received a manifesto that rejected the attitudes and policies of the Bush era, and insisted that the United States must redeem and save itself through hard work and a rededication to "our founding documents."

Hail to the Chief!

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The portion of the speech to initially impact the denizens of Syria Comment?:

"To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.”

I'll bet this resonates among peoples the world over who know these circumstances all too well.

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Since I can't post this elsewhere, in regards to Josh's comments amout Howard Kurt's piece in the Wapo: I would be much more comfortable with Joe Klein joining TPM than I am with Matt (Valerie Plame) Cooper coming on board!

Again, why is Cooper here ?

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To paraphrase "Karen" in the comments section of Michael Calderone's blog on Politico.com: Matt Cooper's career is like his hairline!

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I felt some of the same reactions, Mr. Cooper, and it was helpful to see someone else voice similar thoughts and flesh them out.

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Thanks to Cooper we can now find the same old, flaccid, tiresome MSM commentary on TPM.

zzzzzzzz

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