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AP: Dems Poised to Cave to GOP on Family Planning Funds

The AP reports this morning that House Democrats are on the verge of removing a Medicaid provision added to their stimulus bill which would have eliminated the need for states to seek a waiver before providing more family-planning services to lower-income women.

The Medicaid provision had become controversial over the past few days not because of its monetary value -- in fact, it would save states an estimated $400 million over 10 years -- but because Republicans had loudly moaned that it amounted to "taxpayer funding" for "the abortion industry."

Never mind that a GOP president helped create the waiver program. Never mind that eight GOP governors participate in it. Family planning must be stopped in order to get "bipartisan support" for the stimulus bill.

And buried in the middle of the AP story is one notable tidbit:

Several Democrats said Monday night that Obama had spoken personally with Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., about removing the provision. Waxman is chairman of the committee with jurisdiction over Medicaid and a close ally of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

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How about this for a theory on this one. Why get in a political food fight over this issue when it can get subsumed into universal healthcare? We know that universal healthcare is coming in the months ahead, so why give the republicans ammunition now? Throw them a bone. I actually think that it is a smart move on obama's part, once again. Look long term and strategic, not short term and tactical. Very smart move.

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Why is it a "food fight" when every poll shows that family planning programs are popular? Spineless, spineless, spineless.

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It's not spineless. If Dems decide not to include the item in this emergency, stimulous bill that doesn't preclude them from inserting it into another bill where it is probably more appropriate (say for example in a healthcare bill). I haven't seen a very detailed description of these funds and how they are to be allocated, but my basic reading is that they will not create new jobs or help maintain existing ones. If that's true, then this can certainly wait for another bill.

And frankly, it's not a hard give if the above is true since Obama laid out his core principles in putting forth this bill: JOBS.

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First, I barely have a job, barely. Second, you can stimulate the economy and help low income women plan around their pregnancy. A pregnancy can cripple a low income family, a little family PLANNING goes along ways. Third, many states are running out of funding for this sort of thing. Fourth, Republicans created this program.

Don't make excuses.

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I'm not making excuses. I'm all for family planning but folks are acting like this is the only bill that the 111th Congress will pass this year and if it doesn't get in here, it won't get in at all.

It doesn't matter who originally created the program back in the 70s. The point is does it help create jobs/stimulate the economy. If it doesn't, why waste political capital trying to get it into this bill? I read yesterday that Conyers is introducing a universal healthcare bill, why isn't it more appropriate there?

This isn't about whether family planning is a worthwhile cause to support. It's about whether it NEEDS to be inserted in this stimulus bill.

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Excellent point and I agree 100% on all aspects of your observations. Let it go where it belongs, in the healthcare debate, where the republican talking point can get drowned out with all the other pressing healthcare issues. Ultimately, it will be a non-issue in the healthcare debate and will really look petty. In the stimulus bill, it just looks dumb and like dems are trying to ram something through that has nothing to do with job creation.

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Agreed, family planning has little to do with economic stimulus. Let's stay on point and get it passed and avoid throwing everything on the to-do-list into one bill. It's big enough, already.

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Yup!

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Of course the democrats have said they likely won't be tackling comprehensive health care until next year (at the soonest). So we're not talking about the 111th congress.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_treatment/archive/2009/01/26/will-the-house-kill-health-care-reform.aspx

This guy DOES realize that America overwhelmingly elected the democrats, right? What good is it if your leader is too damn scared to allow his party to legislate like democrats?

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Why make a big deal of this? This is something that can and will be folded into another bill. The art of politics is knowing WHEN to fight for something, not just what to fight for.

This fight gets won either way. If this gets even one Republican on board for the stimulus, it's well spent. Because, like I said, we get this later anyway.

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Some people have no idea of how politics works. they want everything they want and they want it now.

The mistake so many people are making in these comments is being able to separate out policy from strategy. The Stategy is winning public approval for the bill and putting the Repubs on the tiny little island of their out-dated supply side objections. It is not to cram every single Democratic policy wish into a fiscal stimulus bill. Obama is taking a way their number one talking point. He is being smart.

Policy-wise this will happen eventually.

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Deep Thought: If Harry Reid had done this, it would be held up as a sign of his craven lack of gonads.

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If Reid had done this, it would have been.

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As Atrios says, predictable as the sunrise.

When Republicans are in power even by the slimmest of margins, they do pretty much what they want regardless of (generally feeble) Democratic resistance. When Democrats have big majorities they can't even summon the spine to completely reverse Republican-caused damage,and heaven forbid they do anything actually progressive- why, that wouldn't be "bipartisan".

Democratic leaders and their reflexive apologists (so many of whom like to favor us with their "insights" around here) need to understand that they're playing with dynamite. The voters have given them a chance to show that they can actually accomplish something when in power. If they prove as useless as they already did in 2006-2008, a lot of people aren't going to bother showing up to vote for Democrats in 2010 and 2012, because they'll rightly conclude that it's a waste of time.

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I hear what yer sayin, but I think two things are going on here.

Firstly, Obama really is trying to set a new tone of getting the DC numbskulls working together. This is something America really needs - to reverse the trend of frankly childish divisiveness. If he doesn't give it a go now then who and when?

Secondly, this financial crisis is so serious that Obama has to do everything he can to get everyone working on solving the problem instead of one party going hog wild and the other sitting back, criticizing, and preparing to blame the other if it doesn't work. On the one hand this hopefully increases the chance of success, on the other hand his presidency and party will not be the sole focus of national blame if it doesn't succeed.

Its hard, its messy, it hurts, but its necessary.

The language of this headline is a perfect illustration of the childishness. A compromise in the interests of moving forward is apparently a "cave".

When does the name-calling end and people start moving forward on solving problems?

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Firstly, Obama really is trying to set a new tone of getting the DC numbskulls working together. This is something America really needs - to reverse the trend of frankly childish divisiveness.
What the voters want and need is for the stuff they voted for to actually get done. If the Democrats are stupid and, yes, childish enough to let the Republicans prevent that, it's the Democrats who will get the blame. Not only do the Republicans know this, it's the basis of their whole strategy. And like the spineless idiots they are, Dem "leaders" are yet again playing right into their hands.
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And I'm so tired of this caving in process. Bipartisanship does not mean giving in to the terrible ideas of Republicans.

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It's not giving in if you get it later. What is so difficult to understand here?

Don't act like a two year old and try to get everything at once. You'll get it. Stop your whining.

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I am equally tired of Democrats calling any strategic move in resposne to Republican propaganda a "cave-in" because some blogger used the phrase in a headline. Especially when the article used to foment the headline came from AP.

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One of the reasons Obama was elected was because he promised a new tone. Remember he won Republican votes too.

I have a feeling your deaf to my point and so the children argue over the ball while the ballpark burns.

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The litmus for Obama and the Congressional Dems "accomplishing something" is removing this waiver requirement, and there political lives in 2010 and beyond depend on it?

Aren't you being slightly alarmist?

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"their" political lives...

I know, I know, "preview function".

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This is a counter punch from Obama. He is pretending the Repubs are actually adults and have a real problem with this provision in the bill. Once he "caves" on this issue he can then say he addressed the Repubs main concern with the bill and expects them to get on board and vote for the stimulus package.

The funding for this program will be added to a later bill and Obama gets to look like he is post partisan and the R's get to look petty.

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Right, every cave-in is just Obama playing 3D chess. No wonder the Dems are so screwed up when there's so much clinically delusional thinking around them.

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The "screwed up" Dems just won an electoral landslide and now control the WH and both houses of Congress.

Keep your eye on the prize (passing the stimulus bill) my man. Obama is acting like an adult. The Repubs are looking for a reason to vote against this bill. The President just took away their main reason. Now when the R's come up with another dumb reason to oppose the bill they will look like they are just obstructing the process. Obama will look like he tried to accommodate the opposition and that will play will with the voters.

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The "screwed up" Dems just won an electoral landslide and now control the WH and both houses of Congress.
And yet they're STILL cringing whenever the Rethugs whine a little. So you can remove the scare quotes from "screwed up".
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Do you and Bluebell ever get tired of ranting about being sold out by the President and the Democrats?

Every one of your posts is the same: Dems are spineless; they don't know what they're doing; they should kill the republicans; blah, blah, blah. It's easy to critique from your basement when you've never actually done anything.

You're a bore.

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Steve,

You give terrible political advice and your petulance is not all that impressive given the stakes here.

This is not about the outcome of the legislation, it is about the public argument. Obama is positioning himself to win the public argument by removing the symbolic objections and forcing the Republicans to defend (as Josh has put it on the front page) the exact same bone-headed policies that got us in this mess. Doing something to save the economy versus Bushenomics.

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Democrats in this country couldn't pour shit out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel!

Or so my Mom always said!

If this is how they intend to 'lead' and 'govern' over the next 2 years, I may seriously consider casting my vote elsewhere in 2010.

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"Democrats cave...."

That's a headline we need to keep seeing. /snark

Unfortunately, it's one they can't help but cause.

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Here's how it works: Start with a liberal bill, then when Republicans cause a stink- you meet in the middle. You do not start with a good bill and then add some Republican tax cuts to it. Then, when you meet in the middle after that it's not the effing middle- it's center right.

And that is wrong (according to 60%+ of the country in November) and it makes you look stupid.

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We're already meeting on the far right of what should be accpetable in a STIMULUS bill, i.e., the fact that a disproportionate share of the bill is in the form of tax cuts.

Simply put, Republicans do not negotiate in good faith. They are to a person congenital liars, and would rather plunge this country into another depression than give a significant political victory to the Democrats.

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Amen, Steve LaBonne. Why is it a food fight? And what guarantee is there that fam plan will be in the health care package which doesn't yet even exist? The anti-abortion industry has obviously got the Repubs going right away, and if they can get a cave here , they're only going to increase the pressure when we get to the actual health care program.

Why can't Obama say helping people not to have babies they can't afford, can't take care of, or are too young to have is one of the most important things government or anyone else can do? If you want bang for your domestic welfare buck, family planning will get you more than anywhere else. Surely Obama's smart enough to know that already.

Boehner keeps yammering about contraceptives in the same tone Republicans use when they talk about govt subsidy for art--as if it's of no importance. Unemployment wouldn't be such a problem if there weren't so many people unemployed and so many mouths to feed depending on them.

Whatever your problem, overpopulation makes it worse. The Dems should come out loud and clear on this. It's not a side issue.

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The Democrats should've focused on the savings to the states by allowing this waiver program to go through---$400 million is a lot. This would've eased state budgets that are currently in the middle of this fiscal crisis.

Ask why the Republicans are opposed to helping the states out. The Democrats have yet to learn how to frame the language on their terms.

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was Obama elected t o"cave' in to every republican
position??

and the people here who continue to make excuses for him need to go away.

you bore everyone.

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I've said this before. You're acting like a two year old. If being the grown up is boring, I'll take it.

Just because we won an election doesn't mean we get to ram through everything we want on day one. And you whining about "caving in" all the time makes this harder for Obama.

If this was a huge deal that couldn't be gained later I'd be on your side. But this is piddly stuff you're crying about. Certainly you can see beyond the end of your nose...can't you?

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Speak for yourself.

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I see it as a missed opportunity to pwn the GOP with their own base, and further discredit them with everyone else.

All it would take would be a statement to the effect that "Contraception is a part of health care. People who can't afford contraception can't afford children either, and we can better afford to help them avoid having children they don't want in these tough economic times than we can afford to support those children. The Republicans' plan to withhold family planning aid to those who can't afford it is guaranteed to increase public assisstance rolls at a time when the government is already facing huge economic challenges. A vote against family planning aid is a vote for more families on welfare."

Seems to me that ought to do it for even most of the crazy base, who hate welfare even more than they love forcing people to have unwanted children. Not to mention that keeping the outrage alive a bit longer just gives that many more people the opportunity to hear about it and think, "these nuts now want to stop people from using birth control, too?"

I've heard others say that the Dems will take another run at this in an omnibus spending bill and if that's the case, I'm fine with dropping it from this particular bill - just so long as they don't miss the opportunity to really hammer them with their own lunacy when it comes up again.

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Hey folks. The provision eliminates the need to seek a waiver.

My guess is that those waivers will come from Tom Daschel.

So, the only real harm here is the ding state budgets will continue taking.

Remeber, this is not the budget. This is not the health care bill. This is the stimulus package.

While it's necessity is unfortunate, the crisis allows the administration to get a jumpstart on many priorities.

You're not going to get everything you want in this one bill, in the first 2 months of the administration.

In fact, you're NEVER going to get EVERYTHING you want.

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Ditto. And it eliminates a bs talking point for the republicans. This provision gave them the opportunity to paint the stimulus bill as a christmas tree and harp on what do condoms have to do with "stimulus." I still think that it is a smart move on obama's part. Also, allow this issue to come up in the healthcare debate where it belongs, not this stimulus package.

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Jesus you can't say they have to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh one day and then the next listen to Rush Limbaugh and tell Waxman to remove a provision that will save state governments $400 million over 10 ten years at a cost of $200
million. There's nothing wrong with the provision, it saves money, removes another Republican roadblock to efficient government that Republicans love.

Right now poor women in a lot of states have the legal right to plan their families by acquiring information, contraceptives and if need be, abortions, just like I have a legal right to buy a $50 million dollar corporate jet. But without this funding many poor women have as much real choice about these decisions as I do about buying that jet.


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The "game" here is to keep peeling away Republican excuses for being against the bill until they have to either vote for it flatly admit admit that they are against using public money to create jobs in the worst recession since WWII.

Read what they are saying to each other. They are terrified that this bill will work. They are casting about for excuses to be against it that look principled rather than either a) admitting that they are rigid ideologues who will cling on to their dogma to the end, even if it destroys the country or b) that they are completely invested in seeing the Democrats fail, even if it destroys the country.

I know this is not pleasing to those of you who think that refusing to fight on the ground that the enemy have chosen and prepared with sighted in artillery and triangulated machine guns is cowardly and unmanly. But, as I have had to tell innumerable clients over the years who think litigation is won by bellicose chest thumping and anger, rudeness and agresssion, when warriors meet soldiers, the warriors invariably get slaughtered (albeit with their sacred Stone Age manly honor intact).

Only soldiers led by generals that think like soldiers can beat soldiers. And a big part of victory is making your enemy's general lose his composure and start thinking like a warrior.

You can't win if you don't have balls, but you also can't win if you let them do all your thinking.

Apologies to any offended by the blatantly sexist and militaristic metaphors.

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More lame BS excuses for Democratic uselessness. Yawn. That's another thing that's as predictable as the sunrise.

Don't act all surprised when the Democrats dramatically underperform in the 2010 midterm election. Some of us tried to warn you.

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Yep. I would just add that its called thinking strategically and long term, as opposed to short-term gratification that doesn't get you to your ultimate goal. Obama is definitely a strategic thinker, which is a good thing.

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Caving on this will buy exactly zero Republican votes.

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Not the point by the way. It takes away an excuse and talking point. Let them vote against the bill, now they can't say they voted against it because it was an abortion factory bill or some other such nonsense associated with family planning.

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And we should care about Republican excuses and talking points why, exactly? Do you really think winning on this will shut them and their media mouthpieces up? Surely you can't be that naive. It just emboldens them.

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1. To win over the majority of the american people to support the democratic agenda.

2. The provision has nothing to do with stimulating the economy and allows the drumbeat of wasteful spending and caving to special interest groups.

3. You want republicans on board with the package, not give them a bs excuse to vote against it. If they vote against it you can paint them as obstructionist and idealogues. The counter from them on the abortion issue is red meat to fire up people to support republicans and give them a bs excuse to vote against the package.

Think strategically. Why waste the political capital on this issue, when it is more appropriate in a universal healthcare program.

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1. To win over the majority of the american people to support the democratic agenda.
THAT ALREADY HAPPENED. Look at the election returns and the exit polls. NOW people want the stuff they voted for TO ACTUaLLY HAPPEN.

Jesus, some people have really damaged their brains from years of reflexive excuse-making.

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I agree. I am sure that the 20% of the electorate floating around in the middle really give two shits about this provision in the stimulus package. In fact I am willing to bet that at least 50% of dems are not all hot and bothered about this provision either and especially having it rammed into a jobs bill. People want washington to change and get things done, not get back into the same political food fights over the last 40 years which created gridlock.

Think strategically and long term and watch and see what happens.

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That's always the excuse. But the long term always brings- wait for it- yet more cave-ins. Have you ever heard the well-known definition of insanity?

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"We shouldn't care. Fuck them. Who cares what they or their constituents think. We won. Bipartisan support is supporting the bill drafted by us, not incorporating your input" Sounds like Bush and the Republicans circa 2002, 2004.


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Exactly. But you're not drawing the correct lesson from it. If we always play nicey-nicey and they never do, you get what we've had for decades now- a constant rightward ratchet.

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Actually, it has only been the last 8 years or so that it's been a total freeze-out by republicans under the king's admin. There was cooperation during the b-movie actor and bush 1 to a certain extent. Also, there was cooperation under the clintons' regime, more than I would have liked I might add. It's time to change the tone and get things done for the american people. That's why dems were voted in, not to pursue their pet ideological issues. They need to get things done for all people, not just their base. That's how you wipe out the republican party. Govern for all people, not just a thin slice of the population.

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This is a good provision, but what does it have to do with the current Economic Crisis. Can't we just have a stimulus bill, and not the same old special interest pork fest we always have?

Obama wants as many votes as possible, he wants them to own this bill too. Why hand them a gift with this? Sometimes you lose battles to win wars.

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The Democrats can thank failed Republican policies form Iraq to Wall Street, not their own political skills, for having control of the Congress and White House. Even with this control they allow the failed, discredited losers who run the Republican Party to bully and influence them. Pathetic.

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Repugs fume that they cannot accept the bill "as it is." OK, we make some minor changes to accommodate the Repugs. Now what do they say? They are eager to have the political space to say, "Well, it isn't perfect, but we got them to make some important concessions, so I am voting yes."

Win win.

And, yes, the family planning stuff can go into another bill.

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And if they don't vote for it, they look like obstructionist who are putting party before country.

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First, why is removing a provision that has arguably little to do with economic stimulus from a bill a "cave-in?" One of the problems the country sees with Congress is that anything with a remote nexus gets added to major bills. If this
provision is one the Republicans can seize upon to muddy the public perception and discourse about this bill, why not remove it and their fig leaf at the same time.

Second, for all you who argue about what Obama was or was not elected to do, please indicate to me where he addressed the issue of eliminating a requirement of states to seek a waibver to family planning. I don't suggest he did not, I just don't recall it coming to my attention and thus
having a priority.

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Sorry, but pointing out that Republicans will vote aginst the stimulus plan regardless of its content does not address my question. Let's try it in reverse. Why is it not possible for Republicans to point to a provision on state family planning waivers in the Economic Stimulus bill as yet another effort by Democrats to pack the bill with pet pork projects? ( And please don't argue the merits of their argument or the actual bill provision. I don't doubt it is a good thing to do in some form.)

I think many of you don't get the main theme Obama
campaigned on and, despite a professed admiration of him, want to continue the kind of squabbling
that he ran against. Calling this provision pork is more of the same Republicanism. Adding this provision is more of the same Democratic log rolling. Calling its removal a "cave-in" is more of the self abusing Democratic lefty logic mirrors right wing cant.

Many of you seem to be asking the playground equivalent of "why can we pee on THEM while we have them down?"

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Despite the many contraceptive options available in the United States, nearly half (49%) of the 6.4 million pregnancies each year are unintended; these represent a significant cost to the health care system ... The direct medical costs of unintended pregnancies were US$5 billion in 2002. Direct medical cost savings due to contraceptive use were US$19 billion ... Unintended pregnancies are a costly problem in the United States. Contraceptive use can reduce direct and indirect costs; hence, payers may realize cost savings by providing coverage of contraceptive products.

They are eliminating a very effective way to reduce real costs.

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(And please don't argue the merits of their argument or the actual bill provision. I don't doubt it is a good thing to do in some form.)

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I don't have a problem with him bargaining or making concessions, but he better damn well make sure that he is getting something substantial and real in return - no vague promises about "working together" or any bullshit like that.

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I don't see this as bargaining or deal making.
I see it as telling your side to quit giving the other side a stupid argument to hide behind on an issue of much greater import. I doubt any conversatioins took place between Democrats and Republicans over the issue.

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I'm torn on this one. I can handle an argument that this funding has no place in a stimulus package, but a lot of folks on the right aren't arguing from that perspective. They're playing the old culture wars, likening contraception to abortion and claiming that this is eugenics. (ie, Dems want to limit poor people/minorities from having children...crazy stuff, especially since that would mean that Dems want to decrease their potential future voting base) I see very few making a economic/fiscal argument about this funding....it's all "ew, sex is icky", as Atrios has noted. This infuriates me but perhaps it will expose the wingnuts as the nuts they really are.

As for Obama putting pressure on Congress to remove this provision...I don't necessarily see it as a cave. But that's how the wingnuts will play it up. Malkin has already said that Obama is doing this because he's "panicky".

But should I really care what that idiot Malkin says?

I'm going to trust Obama here, even though I hate that the media will play this up as a "victory" for the minority party who just got their arses whupped in a election just under three months ago.

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I would almost believe that the Dems put this provision in just so there was something they could "compromise" on, because it really doesn’t seem to belong in the stimulus bill (no matter its independent merits). I think many Republicans will vote for the bill as long as they can point to some concession that they won, and this one will appeal to their base. I think they are afraid to go too far, and Obama is offering them a lifeline. Some of them will take it and he will have created a way forward and a wedge in the GOP.

And I am one of those people who actually wants Obama to keep his main campaign promise: which was to elevate the political discourse and to look beyond party and ideology and seek, instead, proposals that are likely to succeed. I'm not an economist, so I'm not going to claim to know the best proportion of tax cuts to spending, but I'm pretty sure you have to stimulate the economy at many levels, simultaneously, which probably does include business tax cuts. There are many businesses on the verge of collapse (or massive downsizing) that will not benefit from infrastructure spending, and it is much cheaper and easier to try to keep people in their jobs than to create new ones.

Frankly, I expect the Republicans to be obstructionist and petty, but I also think Obama is going to use them to keep his own party in line. I know there is a lot to be accomplished but I don't want a runaway Democratic party, because I do believe absolute power corrupts. And while the Republicans did a terrible job of governing, and their proposals are often very wrongheaded, their criticisms of Democratic proposals have sometimes had merit although they are often delivered with such vitriol that the merit is obscured. If the GOP can return--rank hypocrisy though it is--to be the party seeking fiscal responsibility, and keep some pressure on the Democrats, maybe Obama won't suffer the fate of Bush: having to sign pork-laden bills from his own party which increase our deficit exponentially.

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Yeah, God forbid they should "run away" and enact actual progressive legislation. We certainly can't let them frighten the horses that way.

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Since the Democrats have a mandate and a majority, why sneak this unrelated provision into a stimulus bill? Why not propose it and pass it in the light of day? It does really anger the public when they see congress slipping their pet projects--no matter how worthy--into important spending bills because it looks like they are seeking to avoid public debate or scrutiny. It is one of those things that has eroded the public trust in their elected officials.

And a huge part of reviving our economy is psychological: we have to restore confidence in our institutions, including the government. If congress can work together and have something resembling a consensus, and if they produce a disciplined, balanced, thoughtful bill that does not provide such easy targets for the Rush Limbaughs of the world, it would do more towards that end than any one provision.

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As I said above. This isn't unrelated. It's a real way that a huge drain on the public coffers can be reduced.

It costs far less to bring a condom into this world and an unexpected child. Who do you imagine is paying for that? If we aren't spending billions on unwanted pregnancies, we could be spending them on something else.

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Should be "than an unexpected child" (what good is preview if I refuse to use it?).

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I think the whole point of putting something like this into the bill was to pull it out so you could make the GOP feel like they got something. It's not really related to economic stimulus.

Dems control 59% of the House & Senate (once everybody gets seated). This measure could probably pass on it's own and would certainly pass on a more germane bill. Hem & haw a little bit, then toss the GOP the bone.

We don't have to be dicks to them just because they were dicks to us. I'm satisfied to get what I want, and if that also pleases a portion of the GOP, well, good for them.

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Not being dicks doesn't entail negotiating with ourselves and giving away the store.

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I think it is politically very astute to ask for it to be removed.

The problem is that in the context of the stimulus bill the Republicans only have to argue that it isn't an effective way to stimulate the economy. I suspect that they are correct about this and would win this argument in the court of public opinion because lots of people who are in favor of funding family planning do not think it would stimulate the economy.

By including it in the stimulus package the Democrats are giving the Republicans a free pass on the real issue which is bureaucratic red tape costing the states millions which is an argument they would have a hard time winning.

Seems to me Obama wants to take a losing argument turn it into a winning argument.

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THE REPUBLICANS ARE VOTING AGAINST THE STIMULUS ANYWAY. Sorry to shout, but people like you really need to acknowledge that trying to appease them doesn't work.

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YOU REALLY DON'T GET IT. Sorry to shout, but who cares what they do. It's getting the people on board with the dem's agenda. 7 million republicans voted for obama. How about doubling or tripling that number for the next election to truly get a landslide.

On the other hand, dems can just shove stuff through to appease their base and lose the house again in the next midterm election and possibly the senate. Gee, that would be brilliant. It really isn't rocket science you know.

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I find it perfectly conceivable that the family planning part was startegically placed in the bill to distract Republicans. It's just too shiny a lure and too nebulous an addition.

Furthermore, feeding a media shitstorm of debate around such a superfluous add is just too ridiculous. Removing it is such a no-brainer that I am starting to think it was deliberately put there to just as deliberately remove.

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Whenever you have to make a deal you start high cause you know you have to give something away, so I agree with 60th St. and others that say it will be taken care of in its own right and is a bone thrown to the gnarly dogs.

BUT that being said...the abortion issue is as black and white (no pun intended) as they come and there really is no middle road. Either you support a woman's right or you don't. Either you establish policies that support it or policies that prevent it and we are all "Hoping" that this policy will be dealt with sharp and effectively. The hostage taking of the consciousness of America by FUNDAMENTALISTs (snuck in the backdoor by Reagan) and who started this fight, no abortions, prayer in schools, trying to equate creationism with evolution, taking books out of schools, sneaking onto and taking over school boards...this is the REAL and larger fight behind abortion and I hope Obama and the dems are up for it. Until you deal with this insidious homegrown Fundamentalism chewing away at the roots of true Democracy...you are wheel spinning.

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People complaining about removing this $200MM provision from a $825BB stimulus package - when it belongs in health care anyway - are busy playing tic-tac-toe. Get on the chessboard instead, and work on thinking more than two ply ahead.

Notice what's happened with the stimulus. Obama started with a low number - about $350BB. It's now grown to this $825BB, which is MUCH closer to where it was originally thought to be.

Notice this provision also. Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, Kyl - all the leading Republicans have latched on to this "contraceptives thing" as their top problem with the bill. So, you pull it out, the GOP gets to do their watchdog dance of Pyrrhic victory, and then it gets attached to an omnibus spending bill later in the session.

In the meantime, notice that THE REST OF THE STIMULUS PASSES. That is the ONLY point of this little dance - to make sure it passes with more than one or two Republican votes. If it passes by 70-30, Obama has a significant victory in his pocket, and can move on much of the rest of his proposed legislation based on that victory.

It seems to me that people citing what the Republicans would do in a similar situation take absolutely the wrong historical lesson - particularly when it comes to building a long-lasting majority.

From 2003-2007, Republicans tried ramming through whatever they wanted, without Democratic input or support. Many of the same people complaining of the Democrats' unwillingness to do that probably complained at the time of Republicans' willingness to do that.

Also, note that mid-term elections are historically unkind to the party in power (see: 1994, 1998, 2006, etc.) Democrats have made big gains the last two cycles, and need to position themselves to not lose a chunk of those back in 2010. You do that by getting your programs through Congress quickly and with at least some votes from the other side.

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Beyond the Obama administration's tactics, which seem excellent to me, It does look like there is plenty of long-range strategy going on. Forcing wedge issues through on legislation that is critical to our current economic crisis is a sure recipe for disaster in 2010.

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Me three. We just got the majority in the house and senate, why piss it away on a silly wedge issue in 2010. Very strategic thinking on obama's part and boy does he have his work cut out for him with the dem majorities in the house and senate.

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