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GOP: We're Not Neo-Hooverites, The Dems Are
From Sen. John Ensign's (R-NV) press briefing on the stimulus, going on right now:
Hoover was very interventionist. He raised taxes, increased spending, and tried very much to [intervene in] the economy.
"A lot of us would not like to have the level of government involvement" that the stimulus involves, Ensign added.
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Uhhh.....didn't Hoover let the banks fail?
January 28, 2009 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, talk about blowing your foot off with a howitzer. Are these guys really that stupid? I foresee the demise of the republican party in the near future. These guys really are unbelievable.
January 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
They really are. And the whole topic that they are arguing is so inconsequential to the average American that its point is moot. Does the average American really care, me included, how we label Hoover? It's completely irrelevant to the mess that we are in now.
January 28, 2009 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't this "We create our own reality" shit leave DC with Bush's helicopter?
January 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the Democrat's response to all this Republican nonsense I'm seeing on my tv screen?
Crickets...
January 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
What for? Everyone knows what Hoover did and what FDR did. The first rule of politics is when your opponent is making a fool of himself, step back and give him the floor.
January 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not specifically referring to Ensign's nonsense talk. I'm talking about the absence of Democrats in rebutting Republican lies on TV. Have you watched cable news these past few days? Republican after Republican being interviewed. And the Democrats are nowhere to be found. The stimulus debate should not be one-sided.
January 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
And by all accounts, public approval for the stimulus bill is high and rising and public opinion of Republican tactics is low and falling. Why mess with a good thing?
January 28, 2009 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not if you trust the dire reports about American students' command of their own history. What's the old saw -- Republicans underestimate the intelligence of the American public, Democrats overestimate it... (?).
January 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
You live in a fantasy world, dude. The average American thinks Ronald Reagan was a fiscal conservative.
January 28, 2009 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. These individuals are that stupid. The problem? No one in the media is going to call them out on this.
January 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sad how, once again, the media goes full retard for the Republicans. I can't wait for the party of rich old white men to die and be replaced with something with simple integrity.
January 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's due to the corporate conglomerate control. Hopefully, these conglomerates get broken up in the near future so that we start getting accurate news again.
January 28, 2009 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I completely agree that it's not too soon for the GOP to go the way of the Bushes but I think it's naive to think it'll be replaced by something with simple integrity...
January 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Since very few of us were alive during the Hoover years, can someone provide a link that disproves what Ensign said, instead of just saying it's obviously wrong. Did he raise taxes, increase spending, intervene in the economy? If not, what did he do?
January 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover
January 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
He does know that we have books now that describe all this stuff that happened in the past, doesn't he?
January 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is no evidence that either Republicans or the Republican boot licking media read books. Remember Sarah Palin started out as a TV "journalist."
January 28, 2009 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
...but she read all the papers.
January 28, 2009 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm so tired of all the coverage on the Republicans. MSNBC is giving a mike to the Republicans so frequently that I am seriously wondering if I should turn to Fox News to get more even coverage. And then there is Limbaugh's latest drool that they won't shut up about and Palin's Pac (big surprise!). We have new leadership and that needs to be the focus but instead it's all about the irrelevant Republicans. I, and a majority of the country, quit caring what the Republicans had to say about four years back.
January 28, 2009 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is the fault of the Democratic leadership. They are clueless when it comes to the media.
January 28, 2009 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
One of Boehner's arguments is that the stimulus bill wouldn't act fast enough. This from the party who has repeatedly given us tax cuts for the rich as a way to stimulate the economy.
I'm still waiting for Reagan's tax cuts to trickle down and I don't think they're going to make it.
Short and sweet: The GOP had six years of unbridled control over Congress and the White House in which to prove what they could do with the economy. Now we know.
Just shove those morons out of the way.
January 28, 2009 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, we got trickled on, all right...
January 28, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
In the American psyche, "Hoover" is basically equated with the Great Depression, and no amount of revisionism is changing that.
Good plan! "Republican Party = The Party of Herbert Hoover"....Keep it up Repubs!
January 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I retract that. I'm confused.....Sorry.
Ensign isn't making much sense here.
January 28, 2009 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hoover did raise taxes and did increase spending. But the problem was that - and FDR ran into this as well, although not as bad - Hoover also tried to balance the budget at the same time. He did this by increasing the income tax signficantly. Neither Obama nor the Dems are proposing any tax increases.
Also, Hoover didn't spend enough...which was another part of the problem. And a lot of that money went to big business, not the people.
Finally, he acted way too late...when he finally decided to start spending, to more actively intervene, the Depression was already in full swing and had been for a while.
January 28, 2009 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeez, why is my brain keeping on bringing up images from the Grapes of Wrath movie? sigh.
January 28, 2009 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
While we're at it, up is down, right is left, black is white, war is peace and freedom is slavery. Someone take the Republican party away from the wingnuts and give it to Kevin Phillips already...
January 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink