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House Passes Stimulus With Zero GOP Votes

Guess that dinner at the White House didn't go so well ... the $825 billion stimulus bill just passed the House of Representatives with zero Republicans voting in favor. Eleven Democrats -- 10 centrist Blue Dogs and the unconvinced Rep. Paul Kanjorski (PA) -- joined the GOP in opposing the package.

Brad Woodhouse, president of the Dem-allied group Americans United for Change, described the GOP's stalwart opposition in two words: "political suicide," the subject of his e-mailed statement on the stimulus vote.

But maybe this was the Republicans' plan all along. Now Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and his troops can start the next act in the show and ask for just a few more concessions in order to give the stimulus its bipartisan stripes.

Either way, with GOP Sen. Olympia Snowe (ME) signaling her support, its passage in the Senate by next week is looking assured.


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1. Just wait until it comes back from the senate. I still see 50/50.

2. Political suicide in the making, which is a good thing for the demise of the gop. I can't wait to throw a party with a hearty AMF to the 19th century, racist gop.

Bottom line, pathetic.

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Told you so yesterday. Not a single Republican vote in the house. Can't wait to win my final bet. No way on earth will there the final bill get 50% republican support.

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Actually, I will gladly pay that bet big time. If they are soooo stupid to do that, then we will be cheering the demise of the 19th Century gop. That I will gladly buy multiple lunches for.

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Anyone who thinks the Republicans gained anything by this obstructionism, in the face of overwhelming public support for Obama, is playing with a short deck.

Obama was masterful in his approach to the Republican good-old-boys on The Hill. He played their game to reach out to them, and they stabbed him, and the public in the back.

If this is supposed to represent Republicans displaying party unity, they had best look forward to a big split in their ranks, especially when Palin peels off her fundamentalist wing, who are probably the only Republicans who supported this act of bad faith.

The R's have been played like a fiddle, and Cantor was the bow Obama used to play them.

Why? Because henceforth, throughout his term, every time someone tries to say the Democratic majority is bullying the minority R's, you will hear this common refrain; Obama tried.

Had just a few Republicans voted for the bill, there might be some reasonable doubt left in the public psyche as to their pernicious intent. But the fact they conspired to make it unanimous is just proof they are more concerned about playing bitter politics than making good laws or saving the country from depression.

2010 just got a lot more interesting, by at least a couple dozen seats, and while the R's and their media advocates revel in their strange Cantor-led "victory" (didn't they ultimately lose anyway?) their house of cards is falling down around them.

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Michael A called us REP Racist?

Did you follow this link?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll046.xml

11 Democrats voted NO.
Anyone who uses RACE CARD is deceptive people/SICK, I don't care White or Black or Green or Brown.

You got ACON, you cheated and got the White House and your Prez is not a natural born but an imposter, and what more do you want?


Good that the 11 Democrats and all the Opposition Party (REP) voted NO because 150 million Americans/300 million said NO too.
We too have our one beliefs. You respect us we respect you.

Proud to be Republican.


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The problem seems to stem from that respect seesaw. But the repug's pockets are too heavy with gold and an obese sense of self righteousness.

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Judging by your command of the English language, you are either not natural born or developmentally disabled.

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Proud to be hoping the US economy collapses so your party can score a few political points in the next election.

You are a traitor.

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Awwww. So I guess the observation that the gop is stuck in the 19th century is accurate since you didn't address that point in your post.

Incidentally on the numbers, only a little more than 50 million people voted for mcbush. It clearly isn't 50/50. Last time I checked 50 million people represents about 1/6th of the population. I really don't get how the gop keeps claiming to rep 50% of the country, when only a diehard sliver ever votes for their candidates and they only play to that sliver and ignore the interests of the other 5/6ths of the country.

Pathetic.

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The rest of GOP should really takes some lessons from Olympia Snowe- a Republican I can actually stand.

The rest of the Repugs can go to hell.

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Time to make em pay

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"political suicide"

Yup. 2010 is looking even better for us.

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You need to read your history books. After the Repugnants abandoned Clinton in 93, they took The House AND Senate in 94.

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Yeah, well we weren't in the early stages of Great Depression II back in '93.

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That's true, though it was mostly over the issue of gun control and the failed health care plan. Republicans are hoping to do the same thing this time around, but the situation is much different.

They think they can sit back and blame the Democrats if/when the economy doesn't improve fast enough - and it will never be fast enough for Republicans. But in rough economic times, voters are more likely to vote Democratic and less likely to worry about social and cultural issues - like guns, gays, and God - which are the Republican's strong suit. So paradoxically, Democrats may be better off if the economy doesn't improve quickly than if it does.

So for Republicans to just throw stones - while hoping for the worst - they may get what they hope for and suffer the consequences themselves. Especially since most voters will see it for what it is - putting party politics above the welfare of their country.

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Once again, I am in complete agreement with you.

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Thanks, that's the point, and I completely agree.

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Another reason the '93-'94 analogy doesn't hold: People now realize the Clinton budget plan helped create the '90s boom, with 22 million new jobs and rising real wages. And they can contrast that with the laughably weak Bush/GOP trickle-down economy of 3 million new jobs (when about 15 million were needed just to keep up with population growth) and falling real wages.

Remember, when it came to the economy, Obama ran in the general election on the '90s vs. the Bush years.

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Ann Arbor, Mt. Pleasant here... .

While Bill Clinton did improve the economic downturn back in the 90s — and leave us a budget surplus — it came with a price. The price was that Clinton's relatively conservative economic policies helped keep trickle-down "voodoo" economics in place.

The stock markets boomed, the emergent e-Industries bloomed, and worker wages became stagnant as corporations and government positions alike adopted the very conservative "merit pay" wage "increase" policies over yearly COLA (cost of living) adjustments/increase in wages that dominated the working world back to FDR/Truman/Eisenhower.

As has exhaustively been pointed out here and elsewhere, Clinton's top economic dogs were supply-side trickle-down deregulators all. How else could the fact his policies ever got past a congress shepherded by the likes of Gingrich and "The Hammer" Delay be explained?

And, of course, the concern of demand-side liberals (and others who actually know how to make economy work for people other than just the super-rich) is that POTUS Obama has surrounded himself with those same Clinton economic gurus.

Here's hoping he knows how to keep their conservative sides in-check, or even knows what that means.

The economic health of not just our country, but the whole world now depends on that.

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I sure hope that if getting more concessions is the plan, that we don't fall for it. I say obstruct away! People are sick of this partisan crap and if the Repubs are willing to sit back and watch the country go down the drain, we should let them. People need to see them for the obstructionists that they are. If the Republican Party wants to kill itself, we shouldn't stand in its way.

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Just remove the tax cuts!

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Here here!! Spike the Tax Cuts!!

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Not the tax cuts for the working poor and low income. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, please!

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Yes, sorry, not the ones for the working poor. I have been fixated on the continuation of the bogus supply-side tax cuts for the rich. Never got over reading "Perfectly Legal"!

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I think the GOP overestimated the Blue Dog nay vote and underestimated the Democratic leadership.

Either way, I say screw 'em. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of pinheads.

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To clarify:

The only way that Boner could have gotten the party line vote (including Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania Repubs) to stand firm against the stimulus is under the belief that the bill would go down in defeat because of Blue Dog Democrats. That is the only reasonable way to explain this epic FAIL.

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Bohener knew the bill would pass. They never expected to get a lot of Blue Dogs. They're just being obstructionists because they're playing to their base which is shrinking every day.

Most of the repugs left in the house are from ruby red districts. They're more worried about losing to a right wing primary challenger than to a democrat.

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For all I know the Republicans wanted this to pass, they just wanted it to pass while simultaneously getting to be able to say they voted against it...

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Is that like saying they were against it before they were for it?

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Close, but sort of more like saying that while they were against it they were for it, except that they weren't actually against it, they just were against being for it.

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We need more people out in the media highlighting today's vote as clear evidence that today's Republican Party is not even remotely concerned with good governance.

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Let me show you exactly how Obama played chess with the GOP.
1.He shows that he is fully bipartisan listening and even implementing some of their ideas
2.He makes Rush the defacto Republican President
3.He passes the bill, which would have looked nice with Republican backing but in 2010 if it works will TOTALLY SINK REPUBLICANS because they ALL VOTED AGAINST IT.

Level 4 Chess folks, level 4 chess.

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And he looks like a gentleman for hosting a party afterwards.

Now let's see how the Senate operates.

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I refer you to Clinton's Economic Plan passed in 1993 with no Repugnant support. Dems went on to lose the House AND the Senate. Clinton even spoke to that shut-out at Gore's convention. STILL NO DICE.

The problem with the chess analogy is the absence of referees. We need a thinking man's competition analogy where the refs (the media) can rig the game.

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The times are entirely different. I blame Clinton for frittering away years of peace and prosperity and Americans may have sensed the same. There is no peace or prosperity now and the last thing Americans want is inaction or government by talk show. Maureen Dowd was on the mark today. There is plenty of room for outrage if playing nice doesn't work.

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What's more all polls show a solid majority of Americans are in favor of this bill. Even half of Republicans are for it. How are these guys going to explain this to their constituents? Party first, country second. The contrast with Obama's effort to get bipartisan support couldn't be more plain.

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Times have changed and the ground has shifted. If Obama's opponents from the primaries to the general elections had realized that, they might have won. They chose to play the same game and lost. Big time. I understand your need to look to the past and learn from past mistakes but you have to keep in mind that this ain't the 90's.

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1. Clinton and the Democrats raised taxes and the repugs were able to exploit that.

2. Clinton's poll numbers were in the 30's at the time of the mid-term elections.

3. Clinton got the Dems to go over the cliff for him then started running against his own party. That's how he managed to win a second term while the Democratic party was shrinking in DC and across the country.

4. The republicans are on the decline and after 8 years, most people believe their ideology is bankrupt.

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I assume Obama is too smart to honestly believe that he will successfully persuade Republicans to support his agenda, and his courting of them is mostly political posturing.

But I really hope he understands the following:

- Republicans do not negotiate in good faith;
- they are congenital liars to a person;
- they would rather see the country slide into another Great Depression than give Democrats a lasting political victory.

If he's doing this to get the talking hairdos to say "well, Obama tried to meet them half way," that's one thing. But to honestly hope that Republicans will put the good of the country before political advantage is to remain hopelessly delusional.

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I don't know whether he believed he could get Republican buy-in or not. But it was clear from the campaign that people wanted bipartisan solutions and not more culture wars, so he had to try. It's a win-win situation. If they come along, fine. If not, it's them that look like partisan schmucks.

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I think President Obama is keenly aware of those facts. He's just using them to make his 2012 bid a cakewalk.

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So much for trying to reason with Republicans. They think and act like a flock of lemmings. It doesn't matter what the country needs - it doesn't matter how many people lose their jobs. Their strategy is the same as Limpballs: oppose everything Obama does, or even thinks about doing, and hope that he fails, - or in any case, blame him in the next election for not doing enough to fix the economy.

Rather than working with the new president, they've decided to ramp up the partisanship. That's their strategy, and every single Republican is sticking to it. Like they stuck with Bush to the bitter end - and see where that got them. This is a party destined for minority status for another generation.

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I submit that if they keep doing this and obama keeps doing what he is doing, we will be witnessing the complete demise of the gop. That would be a good thing. The us needs two parties and I want a rational party in opposition to keep the dems feet to the fire. If they continue being irrational, AMF.

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With GOP gone maybe Democratic Socialists will have a chance.

Cough, cough. Sorry I guess my head was in the clouds there a second.

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I've always said that I'll be happy when the polticial debate is between Hillary Clinton on the right and (a slightly less goofy) Dennis Kucinich on the left.

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I'll see your Dennis and raise you a Bernie Sanders. :)

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Now THAT is how you run a party caucus.

Is it political suicide? Perhaps. But that makes the Republican leadership look even better--in the face of potentially strong political backlash, they held their membership together and at least took a unified stand.

Nancy, take a page...

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That's true, but keeping Democrats together has always been a little like herding cats. Diversity can be both a strength and a weakness. It's why Democrats have such a large majority in the House - but it's also why it's hard to keep them all together. Pelosi is much better at it than Reid.

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Team, help me out here; I'm despondent. We own this bill now, and it's just not enough. The Big Dig in Boston alone cost $15 billion. The economy is not going to be significantly better in 2 years, and the Republicans have a platform to run on now. Assuage my doubts!

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You think this can be the only stimulus package?

If job numbers improve or stabilize, then it is good news... if the job numbers get worse but the public sector job market improves, then it is good news... if the GOP can not offer a counter-proposal that does not amount to Bush squared while the Dems are at least TRYING to bail out the sinking ship, then the political news is good...

Honestly, I am having a hard time seeing a downside. This is the first of MANY domestic pieces that will come our way. This is the first of many smirmishes. Think larger, and your doubts will fade.

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you can always up the price knowing they won't vote for it.

hahaha.

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So if things get better, the Republican Party is dead in 2010.

Pretty dumb on their part.

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Well, looks like this is your stop, fellas. So long and say hi to the Whig and Federalists for me.

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Well, if no one voted for it, then obviously no one from the GOP side wants to be on the conference committee. So let's go back in conference and do this one right.

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What a surprise huh? The swine do all they can to twist and distort the stimulus bill into yet another GOP disaster, Obama gives away the family planning component that was included and they still vote no. If only the Democrats were more bipartisan eh? The Republicans are scum and they prove it daily. This particular vote is only another instance of the hypocrisy, their lying, and their bad intentions. Expect more of the same in the Senate.

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Here here!

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Tonight the Republicans told the American people 'f**k You,' You're on your own. Obama set the trap and the republicans took the bait. The entire Stimulus Package debate was watched for weeks by the public and the rethugs are telling the American people 'We are not going to work with the new President unless we get what we want.'

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Anyone know which democrats voted against it?

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My guess is the Blue Dogs.

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Not all of 'em. Which ones? I wanna know too.

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House.gov

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Boyd, Bright, Shuler, Griffith, Kanjorski, Kratovil, Cooper, Ellsworth, Taylor, Minnick, Peterson.

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Why is this some sort of a terrible move by the GOP - it was the only move they had. If they supported it, it would be Obama's bill, and if it failed with their support they couldn't make a political issue out of it. However now that they've voted against it, at least they have a chance - even if that chance is hoping a $825B in spending doesn't work and the American economy collapses.

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Oink! oink! This should be a clean jobs plan. It should not look like pork. Condoms?

I am an Obama support.

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Condoms are expensive. I guess poor people should practice abstinence though, right?

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Condom distribution is neither a poor or wealthy issue. Nice Try!

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The family planning provision that was stripped from the bill was for low income people ie not wealthy ie pretty much poor. Nice try!

If you only have ten bucks or less for the week in your budget are you going to buy condoms? I think not.

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How is condom distribution a economic stimulator? It should have never been in the bill.

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Here's TPM's own Elana Schor on the subject:

"But other aid provisions in the recovery bill, not directly targeted to women's reproductive freedom, do not create jobs or boost GDP -- yet are meeting with less agitation from Republicans and remaining intact."

Also, it would save the gov $400 million over 10 years.

Finally, heeeeere's Ezra:

"Family planning is no pork barrel item. By any reasonable public health measure, these services are more important and cost-effective than many other health expenditures nobody is fighting about."

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=01&year=2009&base_name=pop_quiz_1

Personally, I think it would be stimulative. Money saved (by not getting pregnant, by not losing a job due to pregnancy, by not paying for condoms) is money in the pockets of low income folks and the working poor. Money they will spent on necessities.

This bill should have more for low income folks, not less. I hope that helps.

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Oh, it'll take some pressure off the states for funding as well.

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But how does it stimulate the economy ... for real? Tell it to me like I'm a third grader.

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Sorry I don't have kids.

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Sure. It's easy.
Contraception is much cheaper than bearing and raising children, and abortion.
People spending a high % of their income on contraception have less $ to spend on other things.

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Everyone can afford condoms! I see them right there behind the counter at the local bodega. They are affordable and accessible. The problem is some people choose not to use them.

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Average cost of a condom is one dollar. If you like to do 'er up at least 3 times a week that's 3 dollars or more a week. Often the 3 packs are more money at 4 dollars. Again if you have 10 bucks (or less like many that are working poor) for the week would you buy condoms?

2.8 million working families are poor (earn less than 100% of poverty) and that these families constituted 12.2 million people. The poverty threshold is usually less than a dollar a day.

A condom is typically a dollar.

You do the math.

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Off thread:

My father, the beef farmer, was totally helped by a Republican and a lobbyist today. It's freakin' weird.

Greg Sargent's blog has the story:

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/food-policy/big-beef-gets-a-win-in-senate-and-cows-cheer/

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An outrageous addition to the stimulus bill was, thankfully, avoided. It's a good catch by Greg and co.

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Both sides employed a strategy and each side thinks they got what they wanted, or at least expected. Jonze is right that the R's really had little choice, from thier partisan perspective. The D's knew pretty well that this would happen, and quietly did what they wanted, with some deference to Obama on at least appearing to be bipartisan (e.g., scuttle family planning).

We don't know yet how this will play out. Much depends on how and when the economy responds over the coming months and years.

But the other part is the media. What's the SPIN that all this takes as we go forward? I'm not yet confident that the D's have learned to outmaneuver the R's in this regard. The R's are all over the airwaves, and the D's are not offering much of any counter-narrative. THAT troubles me.

The other thing that troubles me are all the folks here who keep writing-off the R's... some actually envisioning a post-Republican political landscape. Huh? Are you joking?!? A wounded animal is much more dangerous - especially when cornered. But aside from that, overconfidence sinks ships (think Titanic). I'll give you Jr. prognosticators a real prediction: The Republicans aren't going away in your lifetime, so get used to it. 46% of voters still chose McCain. Now, that's my-party-right-or-wrong commitment you can believe in, my friends.

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And McCain/Palin is a terribly weak ticket to boot. If the economy held up for another couple of months, election night would have been a nail biter.

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Agree, but it sure would be nice if they managed to run themselves right out of existence.

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Not really. The Repubs were on the wrong side of almost every issue that mattered to "real" Americans. Domestic and foreign. There was little chance for them. Read Larry Sabato's web site for an excellent discussion of this.

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The R's HAVE BEEN on the wrong side of almost every issue that matter to "real" Americans for decades. That hasn't changed. What changed was the perception of the Republicans as a party capable of running the government with competence. The swing vote - the centrists and others - care far less about political policy/philosophy than us political junkies... they just want things to work, period.

But that misses Jonze's and my point. See the other posts.

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Exactly. I mean seriously folks, the R's were running with nothing on their side - NOTHING - and McCain/Palin still got 46%!!!

Who are these 46%??? What kind of blind, unthinking loyalty does it take to vote for a ticket featuring an impotent, unsteady, uninspiring candidate paired with barbie holding a shotgun after 8 disastrous years - scandal after scandal, 2 no-end-in-sight wars, an economy in shambles, Katrina (just to start the list off)? Holy crap!

46%

Let that sink in folks. Nearly half the country supported the weakest presidential ticket since what - Hoover? To believe the Republican party is on the verge of dissolution with that kind of loyalty is utterly delusional.

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I don't think so. The public was not going to vote for Palin.

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46% DID VOTE FOR PALIN. That's nearly half the voters in a high-turnout election. If the economy wasn't convulsing at exactly that moment, their numbers would've been higher - you betcha.

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46% compared to 56% = 10% difference. That's a big split! How you gonna pull 6%? Odds are against them especially with the economic ship wreck the repugs left in their wake.

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No, 46% to 53% - an 7% difference:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/president/

Only 3.6% flip needed for McCain/Palin to win; 3% would've made it a nail-biter.

My point is not that McCain would've won if the economy was fine. My point is that the Republicans aren't going away anytime soon because even under these circumstances, 46% of the vote STILL went for McCain/Palin.

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The scuttling of family planning wasn't about bi-partisanship or deference to Obama. It was about making sure they had nowhere to hide on why they were against this bill--they are against public works spending or any other kind of stimulus other than tax cuts for rich people.

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But...that's worked so well in the past.

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Don't forget that the Repugs are against anything to do with s-e-x and women as well.

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True dat, but it's not just a left or right thing. An obsessive urge to interpose the state into private sexual conduct and a deep-seated need to repress certain expressions of sexuality is one of the hallmarks of the totalitarian mindset, regardless of obstensible ideology.

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It accomplishes both, really. Obama can claim bipartisanship by rightly pointing out that he gave the R's a key consession they really wanted, and politically, like you said, it takes away the most visible excuse the R's had for not voting for the bill.

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It will be much less by 2012. At least 10 percent of that vote was based on complete ignorance. Hence Obama's off thecharts approval ratings.

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I'd say 46% of the vote was based on complete ignorance.

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The comment here doesn't quite square with this haughty warning (emphasis mine):

But aside from that, overconfidence sinks ships (think Titanic). I'll give you Jr. prognosticators a real prediction: The Republicans aren't going away in your lifetime, so get used to it. 46% of voters still chose McCain.

I imagine not every McCain voter is stupid or ignorant. And language like that is a good way to find yourself on the wrong end of the 2010 midterms. Before you go demeaning other people, you should check yourself, "daddy".

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My mistake.

Probably about 80-90% of the vote was based on ignorance. Plenty of ignoring going on on both sides.

But, let's be clear on the meaning of ignorance. I'm not saying that those who are ignorant are inherently stupid. Ignorant: ORIGIN Middle English : via Old French from Latin ignorantia, from ignorant- ‘not knowing’. But also look at the word Ignore: • refuse to take notice of or acknowledge; disregard intentionally • fail to consider (something significant).

IMO, anyone who voted for McCain/Palin this time around really had the blinders on. I make no apologies for that statement, but I will clarify a bit. By "having the blinders on", I mean that in one way or another, those voters were not seeing the whole picture. If it was racism, then that is one form of blindness. If it was adherence to some stale ideological dogma, then that was another form of blindness. There was plenty of religious blindness too. But anytime people are unaware of important facts or lack a full understanding of something - whether intentionally (by being closed-minded) or unintentionally - then yes, that is ignorance.

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Of course the goopers are on the airwaves, that is their playing field. But their narrative is tax cuts. No matter the full court press, their solution is recycled Bush. It makes them look outdated. The narrative is that Obama extended an olive branch and the GOP rejected it over tax cuts for the rich.

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IS that the narritive that is occuring on the airwaves, or is that the narrative here in the TPM echo chamber? I'm not so sure yet.

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Republicans are running more of a risk than they realize. It may be better for Republicans to do all they can to work with the president to improve the economy. Then, if the economy gets better, they can take some of the credit and shift the national debate to cultural and national defense issues where they have a much stronger hand. But if the economy stays in the tank and the recession deepens, the economy will remain the only issue, and Democrats have traditionally had an edge. Republicans may go from being blamed for the recession (as is now the case) to being blamed for making no real effort to work with the President to solve the deep economic problems.

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Good points.

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I think the GOP delivered the message loud and clear: "Hey Obama/Democrats/Country: GO TO HELL!"

Why did we give them all of those concessions again? I say we go back, tear out all of the bullshit we threw in to appease them, and ram that bill down their throats.

This is the Obama I want to see now, no more Mr. Nice Guy (can't get embeds to work in comment):

http://tinyurl.com/djczcq

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So I just wanted to make a point about "post-partisanship" because I see so many people misapprehending both the moment and the strategy on this, in my opinion.

A lot was made of when Obama essentially "pre-conceded" and included some tax cuts to businesses before even starting to work on the bill. He then held yesterday's meeting with Republicans and even after all of this, no Republicans voted Yea. Some people are taking this as a repudiation of negotiating with Republicans since they aren't interested in governing, since to them, they can only win by Obama failing, a classic zero sum game. And most of the critics assume that Obama is getting some sort of rude awakening on this.

Once again, I urge people to read Audacity of Hope, because there is a whole chapter on this game, and it's crystal clear that Obama is well versed in it (to say nothing of Rahm Emmanuel) and certainly doesn't think it's played for fun.

But what people are missing is that it's not about convincing Republican politicians. He knows they have their role to play for their party. It's about convincing Republican VOTERS, and I can speak from both the polls and personal experience that it's working. Voters approve of this immense bill by something like 80/20. And yet the tax cuts only account for something like 3-5% of the total bill. It's huge. But look at the strategy here. Republicans get everything they want. Concessions. A meeting with Obama. Happy talk. Time on TV. And still, not ONE of their congresspersons votes Yea. And so Obama comes out looking responsible, reasonable, realistic, and most of all, BI-PARTISAN and Republicans look like petty obstructionists. And the bill that passes is the largest spending bill, perhaps, in history (I haven't looked that up) but the perception is that it's "too small" and Dems made lots of concessions on it.

So in the end, he's in a position to seek still more money, and Republicans can't even complain because they forced the bill to be "smaller" than it might have been, and then voted no anyway.

And polls are showing a s 24% generic ballot preference for Dems in 2010.

IMO, this was very well played.

We'll see what the Senate does next week...

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unabogie: Thanks for this analysis. You're giving me hope... Will go seek out that chapter from Audacity of Hope....

But are your stats off on this: "Voters approve of this immense bill by something like 80/20. And yet the tax cuts only account for something like 3-5% of the total bill."

I though voters approved at abuot 55/45% and that the Tax Cuts were about 30% of the whole bill. No?

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The numbers may be off, but I think unabogie is correct about the strategy. Obama would like to have some bipartisan support, but doesn't really need it. So, he's playing for the swing voters, including the swing-Republicans. The Republicans, therefore, are in a bind - do they 'capitulate' and alienate their loyal Palinist base, or steer hard right and hope Obama fails. They chose the latter, which is no surprise, given the makeup of the R party in congress has become more conservative since the election.

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Hmm, I tried twice to post my sources, but maybe I can't post links?

Anyway, my sources are the CNN poll, Digby, and the TPM front page.


Polls:

Stimulus support:

CNN:

"Support for the stimulus plan jumps 13 points -- to 71 percent -- when tax cuts for individuals and businesses are added to the package, and opposition drops 12 points, to 28 percent."

Generic ballot:

TPM:

"And, while the 111th Congress has been in session barely three weeks, the Poll finds that the Democratic candidate leads the Republican candidate 46% - 22% in a generic 2010 congressional election match-up, with 27% of voters saying they are undecided."

Percentage of bill for business tax cuts (should have differentiated the types of tax cuts, but the business tax cuts are what people are upset about)

DIGBY:

"The CBO tells us that the whole bill costs $816 billion. So if the Senate version is adopted, only 3 percent of the spending is for business tax breaks. If the House version is adopted, it’s only 1½ percent. Either way, this is a bill that is between 97 and 98.5 percent targeted toward good causes."

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so now we can refer to, simply,
"Limbaugh's Lapdogs."

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Republicans haven't changed a bit. Still the MY WAY or the HIGH WAY attitude. There's apparently ONE BRAIN running the show still (who that is nobody knows). Otherwise, those that THINK for themselves would have defected from the Party during this stimulus package.

There is no way in HECK that all 178 Representatives would agree 100%. Even Democrats had defectors, about 12-14 of them. They have their own BRAINS.

American's KNOW the Republicans had a chance to fix the economy, infrastructure, tax burdens, etc., but they chose instead to follow the leader (Bush).

They are a bunch of losers testing the waters. Well Republicans, the ICE JUST BROKE!

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You don't know what exactly bunch of losers mean?
Since when the Socialism works? It didn't work before in then Soviet Union, and why works in the US?

America has too many talented people like Bill Gate.. more, and why do we need a usurper to fix our economy? Eww..

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It is a travesty that Dems are not on the airwaves constantly saying this: the Republicans' answer to 8 years of Bush tax cuts and a failed economy is more tax cuts. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat. The message machine is criminally negligent right now. Obama plays the bipartisan; democratic talking heads attack. The latter just isn't happening.

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Seriously, why are we playing around with these a^%holes. I mean, the bill contains numerous large-business tax breaks that Republicans love. It omits the family planning provisions. It skimps on big-infrastructure projects like mass transit and even regular road/bridge building. Forget it. We don't need Republican votes. If they want to be Limbaugh lapdogs, let them. And, let's mark up the bill to ensure that family planning, mass transit, school efficiency/energy efficiency and other transportation are improved.

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Time for trickle-up economics? I think so.

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Obama wins twice: his bill gets passed and he has set the right tone.

Obama has proven that he'll extend his hand but the Republicans haven't proven that they'll unclench their fist.

OK, when they do Obama should give them something. Until then, the Dems need to clean up this bill and take all of the Repo tax cut crap out of it.

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Anderson Cooper just had some reporter on saying that Obama needs to move more to the center to get more Repo support. Uh, no, that is not the way to go.

Who has the pressure on them right now? Obama or the Republicans? He has shown more than enough willingness to compromise and be inclusive. If they want to reject Obama's offer of inclusion they do so at their own risk.

The truth is that there is no reason to pass a bipartisan bill if only Democrats are going to vote for it. Pass a partisan bill!

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Umm, guys? Not meaning to be, like, all gloomy and doomy, but the odds are against this stimulus package doing anything significant in the way of recovery. Even in the best case, we're looking at a long, painful depression that will easily last into 2012, if not well beyond.

Our financial system is screwed way beyond the ability of government to fix ... the window where regulation would have mattered has been closed for at least 6 years ... the only real solution is for housing prices to fall back to their long-term trendlines ... probably around their 2001 levels ... and for the 10s of trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities to finally get marked to market. That means lots of families lose their homes. Most finance and investment firms will either be nationalized or allowed to go the way of Lehman Bros. Investors - including pension funds, state and local governments - will take huge losses. And of course unemployment will be teh suck.

Picture a house of cards collapsing. What we've been doing so far is using wads of cash to stuff under some of the cards ... essentially slowing the collapse but not preventing it and certainly not rebuilding the house.

The stimulus package intends to generate enough economic activity to somehow counter this massive evaporation of capital? It's swimming against the tide. It may help, but it isn't going to fix things, or to ameliorate the pain of the inevitable debt workout that we are just starting to go through.

So economically, in 2010 things are still going to suck. They're going to suck hard. And that almost certainly means we will lose ground in both chambers ... perhaps even losing the House.

About the only way I can see to avoid that is to goad the GOP into a filibuster in the Senate. Then it will be clear that they're being obstructionist in the crisis while the Dems are at least trying to fix the problems.

I'm not sure that's even remotely possible, though. Obama is not in a goading mode right now. Honestly, I worry that he'll put "bipartisanship" above the needs of the nation ...

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Come on. If you really worry Obama will "put bipartisanship above the needs of the nation", why the hell would you be upset if Republicans win in 2010, when you sound like one?.....Of course this bill won't solve the problem, and America knows that. But we are also smart enough to know that unlike the bank bailout, this money won't be sitting on a balance sheet or disappear in a write down, it will stimulate actual economic activity.

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WTF in anything I've written "sounds like a Republican"? Way to hurt a guy, there, sparky ...

Obama has given in significantly, in the name of "bipartisanship", and he's gotten nothing out of it in the way of votes. The GOP has now given notice that they will oppose every damn thing that this administration does, and will present their policy positions ... as discredited and delusional as they are ... at every possible opportunity. Kind of like what the Democrats should have been doing for the past 8 years.

I'm seeing a lot of comments up above about how people sure hope the stimulus works ... we both know that ain't gonna happen. The stimulus package is a drop in the bucket and the tide is running out ... kind of a mixed analogy there, but you know what I mean. It's a huge mistake to pin our hopes on it to "turn the economy around". Regardless of what we do, the economy is going to suck beef giblets in 2010. And there's a real risk that the Dems will get spanked.

Maybe this is incredibly savvy political jiu-jitsu by Obama ... draw the GOP into a reflexive "do nothing" posture and trust that the voters will side with the party that's trying to solve problems rather than the party that's not trying at all. I'd like to believe that.

Drawing that out a bit, there's an opportunity, I think, for the realization that the GOP wants America to fail to make it's way into public circulation. They don't have a plan of their own, and they don't have the votes to enact it if they did ... but they are fighting against the party that does have a plan ... this is the same sort of trap they fell into during the New Deal and it kept them in the Congressional wilderness for 2 generations. That's not the media narrative right now ... right now the media is waiting for the first sign that Obama has feet of clay ... but perhaps we can move it in that direction.

It bears repeating: right now the GOP wants America to fail and Obama is trying to solve our problems. It puts him in a light that's almost, dare I say it, Reaganesque.

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See, the problem is that all this talk about the Republicans looking like this or that is politically irrelevant. The ONLY thing the voters will care about in 2010 and 2012 is whether they feel the economy is improving meaningfully. And 100% of the credit or blame will go to the Democrats because they're the ones in charge. I continue to be amazed at the ability of so many people to fail to grasp this obvious point.

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Wow. Then we're just totally screwed.

The global economy is going to suck for at least 5 years and perhaps a decade or longer. Obama needs to be FDR, not Clinton.

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Obama had a steep learning curve during the election cycle. Let's hope that, as president, he learns quickly that bipartisanship is a romantic idea that - in today's congress - just doesn't work. He turned a good bill into a bad bill in order to get Republicans on board. His reward: zero Republican votes.

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It seems to me that Obama got a stimulus package that he can live with, got show the nation what an even-handed statesman he is, and made the house Republicans look the the petty partisans that they are. Whats not to like?

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Then fact that it could have been a considerably better bill it there had been no "bipartisan" fantasy, that's what. (Hate to say "I told ya so" the zero Thug votes, but...) Also the general fact that Obama is a business-as-usual corporate Democrat who has chosen thoroughly compromised economic advisers like Summers and Geithner who care a lot more about Wall Street / bank executives and stockholders than they do about ordinary taxpayers (see Josh's front page story today).

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OK, I'm a nitpicker, but there weren't actually "10 Blue Dogs" among those who voted nay; there were just seven.

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