TPMDC
« What the Freight? | Home | Geithner Confirmed With 30 GOPers, 3 Dems, and Sanders Voting No »

Minnesota Election Judges Toss Coleman's Faulty Evidence, Tell Him To Try Again

The first day of the Minnesota election trial has come to a close, and it couldn't have been a fun day for Norm Coleman, who was present in the courtroom to watch everything that happened.

It's not a good day when the court throws out your evidence and tells your legal team to submit it all over again.

Earlier today, Franken attorney Marc Elias raised serious questions about the Coleman campaign erasing sections from photocopies of rejected absentee-ballot envelopes that they're attempting to get put into the count. Later questioning by Elias of Coleman legal staffer Gloria Sonnen revealed that the submitted copies also include written notes added on to the envelopes by the Coleman team, and it's impossible to tell what writing was there originally and what was added by the Coleman camp.

The judges have now ordered Coleman's legal team to subpoena and submit the original ballot envelopes themselves, if they want them to be reviewed and potentially counted.

In a briefing with reporters held after today's hearings, Coleman lawyer Ben Ginsberg declared: "What you've just seen now is a very active effort on the part of the Franken campaign to not count Minnesotans' votes." Ginsberg also blamed the Franken campaign for slowing down the trial as a result of their objections to the photocopies.

It could have been worse -- the judges have bent over backwards by giving Coleman another chance to submit this evidence, instead of striking the claim entirely.


43 Comments

| Leave a comment
user-pic

Did they give any time limit on Coleman's subpoena and resubmission of the originals? This is a non-trivial undertaking. It's more than just getting them all and hauling them in. They've got to sort through (read: cherry pick) them all to find the ones they want to introduce as examples of this heinous miscarriage of justice.

user-pic

It was a very bad day for the Coleman camp. Their first witness had to agreed, under questioning, that among the copies of the envelopes they were submitting into evidence there had been "copy errors" that had omitted key markings made by election officials on the original envelopes.

Bad enough.

But their next witness -- the one called to submit the rejected ballot envelope (copies) into evidence -- then admitted that the missing marks and comments were the result of the Coleman staff redacting the marks and comments believing that they had been made by other members of their team.

It gets even worse.

One of the judges then asked what a couple of marks were on one of the envelope copies, and the witness explained that the Coleman team had made some of those marks to keep track of them as they sorted through them.

So, in essence, there is no way for the judges to tell what marks and comments were on, and not on the original envelopes. The judges recessed to debate the Franken team's objection to all that, and agreed -- the copies cannot be trust.

Finally, worst of all, the Coleman team had to admit that they had not kept any pristine copies of any of the rejected ballot envelopes around. They even offered to buy them from the Franken team, but essentially they are going to have to subpoena all the 12,000 original rejected ballot envelopes before they can even begin to submit them into evidence.

All in all, it's been a terrible day for the Coleman team, despite the positive spin they attempted put on in afterwards.

user-pic

I also forgot to mention another farcical moment. The Coleman team had categorized the rejected ballot envelopes, but as they were initially being provisionally being admitted into evidence, the Coleman witness going through them was recategorizing them on the fly!

The judges were thoroughly confused and not happy.

user-pic

I got the impression that there weren't prepared or weren't trying very hard. With something this important, the documents should have been better organized, and they CERTAINLY should have foreseen the problem of not having pristine copies.

Friedberg isn't a civil litigator, so I suppose some of this didn't seem that odd to him. But the rest of the people, Dorsey and Whitney lawyers included, should have known better how to deal with a document intensive complex litigation case. It certainly makes Dorsey (a huge and prestigious firm) look really bad. This looked like amateur hour.

user-pic

Civil litigator or not, there's no excuse for being this sloppy - and that's what it is, sloppiness. They're lucky the judges cut them a lot of slack and allowed them to subpoena and resubmit the originals. But it seems every time these clowns get some slack they manage to get it wrapped around their necks. One has to wonder what tomorrow will bring. Today will be tough to top, but I have confidence in them.

As I said before, this is going from the comedically painful to the painfully comedic.

user-pic

Ran this by my Dad who is retired former Judge and of course friend of State Supreme and Fed Judges. He was appalled by what he read. This would be a big case, the jurists on the panel looking at this as a career opportunity to apply the law and with the basic sloppiness of the litigant he said tells him they are merely grandstanding and using the court.

He is a registered GOP but becoming in name only as he goes into his 8th Decade of life.

His final comment is that the panel was more respectful due to the notoriety of the case and the voters to Coleman but this will probably get very 'firm' as they go forward as in 'Who are you trying to kid?'

"Is this the state of the Republican Party?"

I replied, yes, he said...this is not good for us guys...Boner doing the tax cuts garbage as America is pink slipped and their legal team doing this in MN.

"We need a new party".

user-pic

If this evidence is eventually deemed non-submittable entirely, will any parts of Coleman's case have to be dropped?

user-pic

Not yet. The judges are allowing them to try again, but I suspect their patience is wearing thin.

user-pic

Keystone Kops meets Three Stooges....

Sure Coleman and the ReThugs are being (borderline crooked) a**holes here, but Reid should have seated Franken provisionally the day after the recount was certified. You'd think there might be a few little things he could use Al's vote on after all.

And how long exactly do you suppose Harry Reid is going to allow this particular sideshow to go on?

Here's a hint Harry; you can be pretty sure they're acting in bad faith when they have to fabricate evidence.

What a joke....

user-pic

From what I've been able to gather about this, this case is not like the Burris mess in Illinois. In that case, the Senate didn't have the right to refuse the Burris, plain and simple, regardless of the awkwardness of his appointment.

It's not that Reid is resisting seating Franken because of potential political embarassment or anything like that, instead Franken has yet to be appointed Senator by Minnesota state law. It's the same law that gave Franken the legal right to a recount originally, and it does not appoint a Senator until Coleman exhausts his legal options or concedes. Unfortunately Coleman isn't smart enough to concede, and fortunately a re-recount isn't written into the law. It's hard to see how he intends to do anything other than spend vast sums of money on legal fees.

So, at this point, Reid can't seat Franken. I'm sure he'd like to (at least compared to Coleman...)

user-pic

Who has the original envelopes? And what is expected to be marked on them? Obviously a postmark, but do the election officials write on the originals?

I'm guessing the court knows what to expect, but
since the Coleman camp has been demonstrated to be tampering with this evidence, I don't see how they can be given a second chance to come up with these documents?

user-pic

So could this really drag out the case? I mean are we talking about getting handwriting experts in to differentiate what was written by Coleman staffers compared to what was written by election officials?

The evidence has been contaminated if you can't tell who wrote what on the envelopes.

Did Coleman switch lawyers to be able to argue now what he argued against before? Didn't he argue against counting all ballots before and now he is arguing to count them all? Can't the Franken team point that fact out here?

user-pic

Are these things written on the original envelopes, or written on photocopies of the envelope? I can't tell from reading the article.

Some of the other articles on this subject have indicated that Franken's lawyers are, indeed, harping on the fact that Coleman is taking an opposite legal position of two weeks ago. Given I'm not sure this makes a difference to teh judge...

user-pic

Interesting to note that the Coleman team is now posing as a noble and courageous advocate for counting every vote. Just a couple of weeks ago they were desperately trying to avoid counting all the votes.

user-pic

Tried to get more info elsewhere in MSM land & couldn't get the details given in TPM.

If the presentations are as stated, why didn't the panel chuck the suit? These are highly paid shysters and should be rebuked for the cluster fuck, not given another reach around!

user-pic

Bushie,

You were looking for more info elsewhere, so I thought you might want to check out minnpost.com (a local Minneapolis alternative made up of former reporters from the StarTribune).

It's a fairly amusing account of how screwed up Coleman's legal team is vs. the Franken legal team.

try this link

http://tinyurl.com/fran-cole20090126

user-pic

Ugh, I will happy when this greek drama is over. I hope the stand up has some good one liners for some entertainment in the senate. I doubt it though.

user-pic

You'd think a screw-up on this level--tampering with evidence--would not earn a second chance for Coleman's lawyers!! I thought tampering with evidence was some kind of offense in and of itself.

I wonder if Franken is EVER going to end up in the Senate. Reid doesn't seem to want him---the Constitution clearly states that the Senate has the right to judge the returns and elections!!!

user-pic

This is outrageous. Did the Court find the evidence was accidentally altered or something? I mean, I can't even imagine a party attempting to perpetrate a fraud on the Court and being told simply to try again. Coleman's lawyers must've persuaded the Court it was unintentional.

Or maybe the Court's gonna hold off on deciding that issue until it sees the originals.

user-pic

There's a judicial technique I was taught in law school. The judge gives the side that is going to lose every benefit of every doubt, grants every motion, then rules for the other guy.

It could be that. More likely, it's something similar but not exactly that: any time they tell Coleman that something is denied, they're creating an issue for appeal (and he'll try to appeal whereever he can, it has become obvious, so they haven't heard the end of him). It's better to give him a chance to say everything he could possibly want to now. If he wins, he wins. If he doesn't, he was given every chance and more, but still flubbed it and he's just a whiny loser. And if he further embarasses himself at this stage by making stupid arguments, they don't mind that either.

user-pic

At this point I think that Coleman's people are just trying to grab every last minute in front of the camera to deny the legitimacy of Franken's term.

user-pic

It seems the court is essentially saying to Coleman's lawyers "keep digging fellas, the grave has to be 6' deep."

user-pic

Coleman may be an insufferable prick, but he's entitled to his day in court like everyone else. From the Canvassing Board to the MN-SC to this panel, you couldn't blame them for telling Coleman to get lost and stop wasting their time, but to their credit, they did it right. When, in the end, Franken is seated, no one but the far lunatic fringe will be able to say Coleman was cheated - and that's worth something.

user-pic

I agree MBF and the best part is even the far lunatic fringe is getting to witness just how low their party will go to lie, cheat and steal an election. Once this is over and done with a lot of people who scoffed (like Al Franken) are gonna say to themselves maybe Dems were right about FL and OH afterall. It should make election reform much easier.

user-pic

You would think the Coleman folks could have figured out how to keep a pristine set of copies of the ballot envelopes. Like how hard would it be to write on the back of the paper instead? This is just more bumbling from this gang. I hope these judges' patience grows even thinner - today was a real waste except to demonstrate the ongoing incompetence of the Coleman team.

user-pic

Why do you think it incompetence? More likely, it was deliberate "muddying of the waters," to try to create an impression of over-all disorder and confusion, and thus to discredit the very diligent and pains-taking recount procedure, which of course Coleman's people were able to monitor and participate in every inch of the way. They didn't like the result and their tactic is to retroactively trash the whole thing. In politics, beware those whose lust for power trumps everything---as described by Robert Caro in his biography of LBJ, when Johnson stole the 1948 Texas Democratic primary---lost the election but managed to bluster, bully, bluff, and bullshit his way to the Senate anyway.

user-pic

Coleman's lawyers have been outmaneuvered by Franken's every step of the way. I agree that their strategy is to muddy the waters but I don't think they are pulling the wool over the judges' eyes. So if this is their deliberate attempt, it's an incredibly weak showing so far.

I don't think any lawyers want to spend several hours in front of the judges and have zero evidence to support their claims at the end of the day. And their first witness backfired, even after they said they really didn't need her to testify. Afterward they said they weren't going to be able to do much until next week, but the judges said they better be ready tomorrow with more witnesses. So I think that at least some of this is incompetence.

user-pic

Don't kid yourself, they doctored the evidence on purpose. Their chances of getting away with it were tiny but they have very few options left.

user-pic

Jesus, how much are they paying these guys? This is the kind of trial prep and document handling one usually associates with solo practicioners with untreated substance abuse problems.

user-pic

No shit. LOL.

user-pic

What makes you think they're not?

user-pic

I think, for sure, the judges are bending over backwards to give first the recount and now the election contest the appearance of legitimacy. But, I don't necessarily think they have to do this. The two are essentially tied, after three million votes were counted, recounted and then challenged and reviewed.

Unless Coleman comes up with an election-judge witness who says she was paid by Franken's folks to assign votes away from Coleman, this should be lights- out. THe purpose of an election challenge is to have the losing candidate present evidence showing that the vote tabulation was incorrect and that but for the incorrect tabulation, the losing candidate would have won. The Coleman people aren't doing this. They're essentially looking for another recount. As Magnuson said in December, at some point we stop counting the votes and we reach a decision.

user-pic

Boy, things must have changed since I practiced law, or they have really, really different rules of evidence in Minnesota.

I can't imagine a judge EVER admitting photocopies into evidence, and for this very reason.

user-pic

And explaing to me why Coleman's lawyers are not being disbarred or up on charges for submitting knowingly deliberately fraudulent (doctored unilaterally in their favor) evidence?

user-pic

Quimby hired Ben Ginsberg? That says it all. Except for the question of who's paying him. He presumably isn't certified for MN, so he's really just there to bring his Florida 2000 experience.

user-pic

Any chance the sloppiness was intentional? Maybe they are trying to get the evidence rejected so they can claim that the votes were not all counted because of Franken. Sounds like a reasonable last stand.

user-pic

From my 20+ years of trial experience, getting this much leniency from the judge is usually a really bad omen.
A judge sitting without a jury does three things, 1) s/he makes legal rulings about what evidence is admissible and what is not, 2) weighs the evidence to determine the facts and 3) makes conclusions based on the facts as determined. For example, in a traffic accident case, the judge may apply the evidence rules to determine that a witness may testify that he heard someone else yell, "Look out, he's running the red light!" because it is an excited utterance made contemporaneous to the event , but preclude testimony overheard afterward from someone in the crowd saying, "I saw him run the red light" unless the person who actually said it testifies under oath.
At the end of the trial, the judge weighs the various statements and other evidence that were admitted (that may be contradictory), and makes a factual determination; such as the light was red or it was green. Finally the judge makes a conclusion; such as the driver is liable for the injuries because he ran a red light, or the driver is not liable because the light was green and the other driver should not have entered the intersection.
On appeal, an appellant can challenge whether an evidentiary ruling was proper, arguing that excluded evidence should have been admitted, or admitted evidence should have been excluded. The appellant can also challenge whether the ultimate conclusion correctly applied the relevant law. But the appellant cannot challenge the factual determinations of the judge, except for very limited grounds, such as the argument that the evidence was insufficient to support the conclusion, the judge acted arbitrarily, or the judge made a demonstrable error (stating the car was moving 60 mph, when all testimony was undisputed that the car was moving 40 mph.) An appellate court is not supposed to supplant their interpretation of the evidence, even if they disagree with the trial judge, if there was any credible evidence to support the trial judge’s determination.
In the Coleman / Franken case, the ballots at issue were originally rejected, and (I believe) reviewed twice. Consequently it is difficult to imagine there wouldn’t be some credible evidence to support a factual determination that the ballots were properly disqualified. Coleman has both the facts against him and the burden of proof against him.
If a judge has already determined how s/he is going to rule, s/he can tailor her/his rulings to make it more likely to be sustained on appeal. One of the simplest ways to do this is to reduce the number of issues to be raised on appeal by the appellant. A judge does this by not making any evidentiary rulings against the side that's going to lose. In this case if the judges are leaning toward ruling against Coleman, they wouldn't want to give him the possibility of raising the argument that evidence was improperly excluded. Instead, they give him additional time to re-submit evidence, and let it all in. Then when they rule, they make a factual determination that the evidence didn't convince them that additional ballots should be counted. Once Franken's makes any credible argument that the ballots were properly rejected, Coleman cannot, on appeal, argue to an appellate court that the appellate court should re-evaluate the factual determinations of the trial judges.
Coleman should probably keep his (new) day job, at long as he can. It doesn’t look like he’s going to be able to return to the old one.

user-pic

Nicely put

I have to agree with your assessment on the situation. Hopefully this process wont be dragged out for much longer.

user-pic

Wow. They actually had the gall to submit altered evidence. This goes beyond mere desperation. I'm surprised none of the major mediao outlets are running with this.

user-pic

MSN Rule #137 : republican altering rules = no story - avoiding/ignore talking points.

user-pic

From my perspective, I see the Court bending, like a tree in the wind, to give Coleman every reasonable doubt they can muster for him to get his complaint down in terms a reasonable person would understand. So if he tries to take the issue to the next level, it will be obvious to the most casual observer the lower court gave him ample opportunity to air his grievance and evidence to support his claim. I suspect the conclusion they find will be based on his facts that don't support his claim. They're covering their a$$es by every legal step at their disposal.

user-pic

The way this was reported on local TV News was outrageous. "Coverage" consisted of highlighting Coleman showing up in court and noting that Franken didn't show. Then they cut to a brief interview of Coleman saying he wanted to show the voters "how much he respected us by being there in person." Then a sentence or two about how Franken's attorneys "objected to the quality of the photocopies" that Coleman was presenting, and simply stating that the court agreed. No mention at all about tampering with the ballot photocopies.

After watching some of the trail at the uptake. It felt like purposeful misdirection.

user-pic

How much are whoever's paying Mr. Coleman's bills charging for this expertise? Someone should ask them if they feel their money is being well spent.

Leave a comment

Advertisement
Please disable your adblocker!
Ads are how we pay the bills!

Subscribe

Josh
Marshall

Bio

Elana
Schor

Bio

Matt
Cooper

Bio

Eric
Kleefeld

Bio

Advertise Liberally
Share
Close Social Web Email

"To" Email Address

Your Name

Your Email Address