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Biden: Bush Policies Gave Al Qaeda A Recruitment Tool
Speaking yesterday at CIA Headquarters, Joe Biden told the assembled employees that the new administration will "reverse the policies that in my view and the view of many in this agency caused America to fall short of its founding principles and which gave Al Qaeda a powerful recruiting tool."

Today: Obama And Biden Talking Up Stimulus To Mayors
President Obama and Vice President Biden will be speaking today at the White House to a group of mayors from across the country, to discuss the implementation of the stimulus bill. Mayors who will be in attendance include San Francisco's Gavin Newsom, New Orleans' Ray Nagin, Dallas' Tom Leppert (a Republican) and others.

Hillary On Global Listening Tour
The Washington Post reports that Clinton's first overseas trip has essentially become a global listening tour, in an effort to repair America's image abroad. "My trip here today is to hear your views, because I believe strongly that we learn from listening to one another," she told students at Tokyo University earlier this week. "And that is, for me, part of what this first trip of mine as secretary of state is about."

New York Post Apologizes For Chimp Cartoon
The New York Post has now apologized for the controversial "chimp" cartoon, but they're still, um, sticking to their guns. "It was meant to mock an ineptly written federal stimulus bill. Period," the paper says. But they do acknowledge that some have seen it as a racist depiction: "This most certainly was not its intent; to those who were offended by the image, we apologize."

Appointed Senators Hitting The Trail -- Except Burris
Three of the four appointed Senators are spending the Congressional recess touring their states and discussing the economy, mostly in preparation for re-election -- and even Delaware's Ted Kaufman, who is serving as a caretaker, is meeting with constituents to discuss the issues. The one exception seems to be the embattled Roland Burris, who has canceled his public events and is holding private meetings to figure out his next move.

Report: Cornyn Approaches Pataki For New York Senate Race
The Associated Press reports that NRSC chairman John Cornyn has approached former New York Governor George Pataki to run in the special Senate election in 2010. Pataki served three terms as governor of a Democratic state, so he could be a strong candidate if he runs, though his popularity did go down in the home stretch of his administration.

GOP Candidate In Gillibrand's Seat Won't Say How He Would Have Voted On Stimulus Bill
The stimulus bill is quickly becoming a big issue in the special election for Kirsten Gillibrand's former House seat -- namely, a refusal by Republican candidate Jim Tedisco to say how he would have voted had he been in the House. Tedisco has criticized the bill, but has responded to queries about his bottom-line vote by saying it's a "hypothetical question."


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Danish Cartoonists Riot Over NY Post 'Chimp Cartoon'
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=6284

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Someday Biden and the rest will realize that being an "infidel" is all that's required to be a "recruiting tool" for Al Qaeda.

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You really need to stop listening to lush and insanity. You are smarter than that. Haven't you heard about or read the declassified portions of the intelligence reports for the last few years? The issue isn't being an "infidel", the issue is the us occupying arab countries and blowing up arab civilians, among many, many other things. Being an "infidel" isn't even on the radar screen. That's overly simplistic, right-wing bullsh*t.

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that's ridiculous. it's not like we had troops in the holy land before 9/11 [/wallace]

if you are willing to give up constitutional liberties cause the terrorists have made you wet the bed, well, THEN the terrorists have won.

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Someday they'll all be as wise as you and Rush, eh? Keep that wisdom from your parent's basement coming.

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Everybody who has participated in interrogation of captured terrorists has said that 90% of the time, the people they capture are not motivated by religious reasons. Some of them in fact are just trying to make a living because they can't find an honest job in a rotten economy.

In fact, the whole point of Petraeus' surge strategy was recognizing that many of these people could just be paid off to work for us.

But hey, why listen to experts on the ground when you can just bloviate instead.

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So the expansion of the Ottoman Empire was fueled by the policies of George W. Bush? Western Culture has been the boogeyman of Islamic terrorists since long before GWB entered the picture.

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That is absolutely false. You have no basis to make that claim at all. You really need to stop listening to lush and insanity. They do not count as a source. Incidentally, western civilization has zero to do with the root causes of terrorism. Never has and never will. Get off the battle of civilizations crap.

The whole issue has always been western countries occupying arab lands going all the way back to the freaking crusades. If western countries did not occupy arab lands and kill women and children, there would not be an issue. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

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Because Spain, Italy and France weren't Arab countries, well until they invaded them and, how did you word it, killed women and children.

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What? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

Are you trying to imply that the Ottoman Empire was built on religous terrorism? I'd like some examples, please, because from everything I've read, the Ottoman's were generally pretty tolerant of Jews and Christians.

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No, I started out discussing Al Qaeda, I'm being pulled into a "history of Islamic expansionism" discussion. My only point is thast terrorists will use any reason to support their terrorism. Hell, Zawahiri refered to Obama as a "house negro"...their next tape will talk about how Obama is the cause of all evil...Bush wasn't the problem....THEY are the problem.

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Okay....I will agree that there are some who will search for any reason to rail against the west because that is their path to power; but do you not agree that there are also people who are driven to desperate acts because non-stop propoganda tells them that it is the only option? Isn't part of that propoganda "occupation by the West"?

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Absolutely...my point is if there is no occupation (as well as when there was no occupation) there will be another reason the terrorists will use.

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Terrorism has always been with us and always will be but its support amongst the general population varies from place to place and time to time. Bush's policies increased the support for terrorists among non-terrorists. That hurts our security.

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Fact of the matter is that THIS is what you said:

Someday Biden and the rest will realize that being an "infidel" is all that's required to be a "recruiting tool" for Al Qaeda.

But now you ignore your own language. By far the biggest "recruiting tool" was George W. Bush, the neoconservatives and the GWOT.

Example:

Number of terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 = 20

Number of Al Qaeda-aligned terrorists who have attacked our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus other terrorist attacks not on our soil = THOUSANDS

What I don't understand is why people like you WANT us to be attacked more (or you would pay attention to the parade of evidence that under Bush we have just inflamed the Arab world)... And why after destroying our economy (and military) your party whines that Obama and the Dems are doing something to fix it.

It's truly like you are possessed by the spirit of Osama Bin Laden himself. You are bent on destroying this country from the inside solely for the sake of money and power. Thank God we have Obama in the WH and majorities in Congress. We can look at idiots like you and just laugh.

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That one I don't understand. Are you referring to the expansion of the arab-muslim empire from 632-750? That was, what 300 years before the first of the crusades to rid the holy land of infidels? Ever read up on the crusades? One example of the glory of the crusaders was the slaughtering of all arabs, including women and children, in jerusalem to purge the holy city of infidels.

By the way, are you implying that women and children are not killed when invading a country and occupying it? I thought you professed to be in the military. It's what's euphamistically referred to as "collateral damage" today.

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You might want to press "mute" on FOX News and dip into the current New York Review of Books, which has this to say in an article about "The Bin Ladens: An Arabian Family in the American Century" by Steve Coll:

"Although the attacks on Manhattan and Washington in September, 2001 were direct hits on American soil, Osama bin Laden's aims do not encompass the defeat of the US or the conquest of the West, by, or 'for' Islam: the attacks on Europe and the US are, in Arabian tribal terminology, 'raids.' The 'planes operation', as it was originally called when it was first conceived in 1998, was designed to be a spectacular piece of theater, what anarchists used to call 'Propaganda of the Deed', a provocation that would draw the US military into further, and costly, conflicts in the Middle East, primarily Afghanistan. This was also the original purpose of the attack on the USS Cole."

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And someday, SFCWallace will finally realize that all Muslims aren't terrorists.

And then he'll draw his last breath, no doubt.

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I think he is getting ready for a crusade to the holy land. It's that clash of civilizations fantasy that the lushs and insanities of the world are trying to gin up to keep 20% or so of the population in their mushroom state. Keep feeding them sh*t and keep them in the dark.

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So you believe that if we just leave the Middle East there will be no more terrorism?

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No, overly simplistic again. We should get our military the f' out, absolutely. Occupation is totally foolhardy and has never worked throughout history. We should stop supporting despots. We should beat the palestinians, syrians and israelis over the head and work out a peace deal. Also, economic development is critical. That would dramatically reduce the number of "terrorists."

The issue is not shooting them with howitzers and creating all the collateral damage. That just makes more. The issue is coopting their leadership and attacking the root causes. Terrorists can be taken out with surgical strikes. Occupation is unnecessary.

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"We should beat the palestinians, syrians and israelis over the head and work out a peace deal."

As long as Isreal exists there will be no peace. Their idea...not mine.

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Yeah, their idea right, all 5 of them. Once a peace deal is reached and arabs and israelis live side by side in peace, like they did in the early 20th Century and before arab despots used the situation to enflame their populations and keep themselves in power, the terrorist situation will decrease substantially and eventually all 5 of them will die on the vine, because people won't listen to them. Terrorist leaders are doing the same thing that the arab leaders did in the 30's and 40's. Egypt and jordan changed, why can't the rest of the countries around israel, including the palestinians. Let the terrorists fade away into the dustbin of history.

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We missed you, Tena. Come back to us.

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I never said or insinuated all Muslims are terrorists; I said terrorists will use whatever reason serves their purpose for recruiting...
P.S. long time no see (or read I guess).

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Yes, but as we just explained above, the "infidels" recruiting tool doesn't actually work very well. Most of the time, you have to have some other motivating factor as well. Like, maybe, settlers coming into your land and pushing you out because they believe God gave them the land you've been living on for generations.

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...and George Bush loaded up a wagon load of these settlers, helping them complete their dream of Manifest Destiny?

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Yep, on a bunch of carriers transporting them to iraq, along with building a huge palace in the middle of baghdad and calling it an embassy and putting an american flag on top of it. Sounds like settling and occupying to me.

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1. You insinuated that all muslims are terrorists by your uninformed infidel comment.

2. You did not say that terrorists will use whatever reason serves their purpose for recruiting. You are claiming a non-existent battle of civilizations.

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No I said "Al Qaeda", you took that to mean all Muslims in your own knee-jerk racist analysis.

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True you did say al qaeda and I missed that in my knee-jerk reaction to your right-wing bs comment referring to "infidels." The issue is not the infidel label. Look at what bin laden was saying throughout the nineties. The issue was occupation and oppression and supporting despots and poverty and etc., etc., etc. The word "infidel" is meaningless in reality.

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If you look at what a terrorist uses to justify his terror and believe "if we just did what they asked, and everything would be fine" then you are a tool of that terrorist.

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That is not what I am saying at all. They are using our outrageous conduct in order to recruit terrorists and rally people in abject poverty and without any future to be terrorists. By your simplistic comment, you are implying that we should just keep on doing the same old, same old, on steroids by the way under the king, and everything will be peachy? That's absurd.

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1. That's not what we're talking about. We are talking about those things that we do that make people decide to become terrorists. I don't expect we'll ever win Osama bin Laden over. C'est la vie. It would be nice, however, if he had as small a following as poisible.

2. It is stright up wrong to back dictators, occupy people's lands, and support Israel's alternate colonization and extermination of Palestinians. If doing the right thing happens to be also what al Qaeda would like us to do, that is no reason not to do it.

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Listen....you're all wrong. They hate us for our freedoms...our freedoms! They hate our rock 'n roll and ads featuring women. They hate our MTV and fast food restaurants. And that's why they want to kill us - because we listen to Jay-Z and eat hot dogs. It's all about the freedoms. Well, that and their goal of establishing a global caliphate. In fact, I hear they are massing right now at the Canadian and Mexican borders, ready to launch a two-pronged invasion, assisted by the wussy Canucks and wetbacks from South of the border. In exchange for their help, the Canadians get permanent possession of the Stanley Cup and a mandate that all American men must have hockey hair, and the Mexicans get New Mexico, Arizona, and California.

All that stuff about occupying Muslim lands or backing despotic Arab monarchies or our reluctance to be an honest broker in the Arab-Israeli peach process or the US/British backed coup in Iran in '53 or the resentment of educated young Arab men who can't find work or radical views established while being held as a political prisoner under one of the aforementioned US-backed despotic regime - none of that matters. If we never meddled our involved ourselves in the Middle East they'd still be coming over here to kill us. Because it's all about our FREEDOMS....and taking over the world.

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Another major story: It looks like the GOP's Missouri Senate primary will be just as brutal as we are hoping for! Sarah Steelman just blasted Rep. Roy Blunt (probably the front-runner) as "another white guy in a suit." And there is still more than a year to go.

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