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Bond: Long-Term Mass Transit Investment "Not Stimulative"

As I noted earlier today, Senate environment committee chairman Barbara Boxer (D-CA) is said to be on the verge of endorsing an effort to open up the stimulus bill's $5.5 billion transportation grants program to highways rather than limit it to mass transit systems that sorely need more money.

Who on earth would push such an amendment in the first place, you ask? Why, the headed-for-retirement Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO). From CQ's report today:

[Bond] plans to offer an amendment that would transfer $5.5 billion in the bill for surface transportation competitive grants to the highway and bridge formula. The grants are meant for larger projects of national or regional significance that can be started within three years. Bond said that is not stimulative.

"Projects of national and regional significance" that can give Americans an alternative to car travel are "not stimulative"? Say what? Then again, Bond has long denied a human role in climate change and helped block congressional action on the issue. So if Boxer agrees to sign on to his proposal, it's not without being warned.


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I was - still am, a huge Obama supporter -
I campaigned for him - went to his inauguration.

But he lied to U.S.
Ethics - what ethics?
Is it really ethical to stand by these tax cheats?
What kind of example is that?
If his children voted for someone for class president if that person
were caught cheating would he really approve -
Would that person even run.

And now he is ducking reporters questions after the Gregg nomination - just like Bush.
Will he admit the obvious - that it was a mistake to stand by these people -
Or does he not make mistakes like Bush.

I am dumbfounded that he is sticking by these people.
Even after a totally broken vetting process is revealed -
I give up.
I will not defend him to my republican friends.
He is no change at all - same old shit.

And now his performance secretary of all people resigns because of her tax crap -
Is he sad to see her go also -
It's a performance all right
Makes one wonder how many senators and congressmen
and state assembly politicians don't pay their taxes.

I wish someone could start a website clearing house for every
single one of them where their public records (public payroll after all?)
Could be investigated and updated locally and nationally.
Nannies, cars, income, etc. etc. etc.

I am so disappointed in Obama.
His behavior is verging on arrogant - not confident.

And an aside -
This cutesy Matt Lauer stuff is so stupid.
What are we high school girls?
How about a prime time address from the oval office before we slip into a depression -
Both figuratively and literally.
Time for games is over.

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Go catch a ride on the Waaaahmbulance.

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Hey dickhead,

If you really feel this strongly about this then why don't you make it a blog of its own?

I finally get a free second to catch up on TPM and I gotta wade through this crap?

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Seconded. I hate off-topic soapbox cut-and-paste spouts.

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nice language -
so mature.

Maybe you need to go to the junior high blog -
where that language is "cool"

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You caught me at a weak moment. I needn't have actually used those words to evoke the imagery I intended.

The point I was making comma however comma stands. Please move your endless bleat to an entry in your blog and we'll all evaluate it on its own merit.

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Huge Obama supporter? And this is your first post?

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I went to the inauguration also.

Probably spent more time waiting in line than Obama has been in office.

And in those 2 weeks you've deduced Obama is just like all the others because he is arrogant. Like when he arrogantly took the blame for not vetting his appointees correctly?

That's weak, man.

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1. Yes, he's still more ethical than what we've had for decades past.

2. He's apologized and admitted he made a mistake AND he didn't wait until the end of his term to admit it. He's said all along he won't be perfect but he WILL be upfront with the American people.

3. If everyone got scoured like these nominees do in the vetting process, 80% of us would be considered 'tax cheats' according to you.

4. On the 'cutesy Matt Lauer' stuff, at least Obama addresses members of the press by their name and their press organization and not some dumb nickname.

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I'm so burned out with these GOP Senators seemingly becoming experts in the freakin economy. I suugest let's be strong and load the Stim Plan up w/ spending and projects that can aid the middle class and forget the tax cuts and f%$#*^N banks ansd Wall street theives!

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I'm burned that anyone's listening to the GOP. At all. Wasn't their deregulation a big part of what turned what would probably be a run-of-the-mill recession into what we have now? (yes the housing bubble probably would have happened anyway, but the financial whack-a-mole "who actually owns the loan?" crap is on them)

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The wealthy don't use mass ground transportation. It is what it implies; for the unwashed masses.

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Yep.

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It's true that the very wealth don't ride transit of any sort and that the income of bus riders tends to be well below average. But many above-average income suburbanites ride trains.

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Well, then, point out to the wealthy that if more of the unwashed masses ride subways and trains, it will leave the highways free for the Porsches.

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Barbara Boxer might sign on because her state (my state) is in the road quality crapper because the feds zapped away highway funds because Gray Dravis was in the crosshairs.

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I like CA, and you guys have great roads and I hope it stays that way, but much of the rest of the country, esp where it's cold, has roads with GIANT HOLES everywhere. Not to mention crumbling trains and stations and, well, no public transport at all. Let's keep our priorities straight.

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I hear you, but I just wanted to flesh out the rationale in case Boxer backs this amendment. She has state representation to consider.

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Missouri's roads are atrocious. But at the same time, our major cities have less than ideal travel alternatives. I live in St. Louis and you really have no option other than to drive. Some money being put towards highway repair would be welcome, but I would love to see a great improvement in mass transit (if only in my home state).

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Boxer also probably doesn't care about expanding mass transit and rail systems because California is already paying for the new high speed rail system to link San Diego, LA, San Francisco and Sacramento on its own without federal money due to the passage of proposition 1A. Federal money for rail in the stimulus would presumably go elsewhere.

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Around $2 billion is identified for the federal High Speed Rail Corridor projects. This includes a high speed rail corridor in California that roughly mirrors the California High Speed Rail Authority that was authorized in the last election. Some federal $ would be a boon for that project BUT Sen. Boxer is reflecting the typically short sighted priorities of the state and county Regional Transportation Plans which have been approved by the FTA for 2009. This puts much of the control over the funding in the hands of the road building agencies versus direct to mass transit agencies.

The sad thing is mass transit - particularly underground mass transit (subways) are incredibly stimulative in the LONG run. Just look at the impact that Bart, Metro, and Marta have had on the development of the Bay Area, DC, and Atlanta. It impacts everything and creates urban clusters where you really can live/work/shop/play and creates real freedom of movement and lets you live in a city without a car! The Chinese see this and are busy building subways in almost 20 Chinese cities. That and they will build 5 high speed rail lines this year.

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If the stated purpose of this bill is to spend at least 75% of the money in the next 18 months (I think 75% is too low, but that's an argument for another time), then how do you justify including money for a project that won't start for up to 3 years?

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It's just right. We need money stashed if this hasnt fully improved in 2 years.

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Just knowing that there are commitments for these projects in the long term is stimulative in the short term. One of today's problems is that businesses are reluctant to commit money when the long-term prospects aren't clear. If it is known that there is going to be funding for mass transit out several years into the future, that is a good incentive for beginning to gear up for those things today.

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I have a serious question. From 2003 through 2007, how many stories were there about a single D senator holding up something the Rs wanted? I remember the fights over blue slips for judges and US Attys. But that's about it. How is this even possible when we have 58 fucking seats???

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Because the government is corrupt and the system is gamed to favor elite interests.

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gamed like your gameboy?

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Bond: Long-Term Mass Transit Investment "Not Stimulative".

And this coming from a member of the flat-earth society? I really find it hard to believe that anybody with half a brain believes the garbage that these people spew. At least 50% of republicans don't even believe it. They are talking themselves into political oblivion. Let them talk and dig that grave. Somebody should send all the republican senators an elementary school level book on the history of the whig party. Maybe that will wake them up, but I doubt it.

Oh, and I forgot. Bond said that mass-transit investment isn't stimulative! Oh no! Obama is losing it. His administration is doomed from the start because of what bond said. It's all over. We can shut the books on the obama administration and look forward to 2012. What a disaster! What were people thinking when they voted for him? Total nightmare. Doomed, doomed I tell you.

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I've just emailed my Senators (T. Udall and J. Bingaman) to support mass transit in the stimulus and in the upcoming transportation bill. In NM, it's a priority with our Rail Runner trains being built right now.

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Good idea on the e-mail. Anybody with any republican senators should e-mail the below link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)

It might be a little over their heads, but they could get a staffer to explain it to them.

Thank you.

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Gee, and my friendly local heavy-rail agency just got more new locomotives, built in Boise, Idaho, so they can run longer trains and take the time to actually maintain the stuff they have. (The new passenger cars are taking longer to arrive, but that's probably because they're built in pieces overseas and assembled in the US.)

Why do the Republicans hate Americans?

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Because most of them aren't rich.

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these kind of repug arguments are all just so much la-de-da to keep us distracted from actually passing a stimulus bill. quibble and distract, that's about all they can do with the numbers they have in congress. surprisingly, it's working as the media, democrats, and us here are all buying into it and debating every last point with them.

they still control the dialogue in this country

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Bush kept us safe all these years by not getting all caught up in this stuff.
Now look where we are -
talking about trains under the Dem. Christmas tree.
Come 2010 Americans will remember that Bush kept us safe - AND ALL OBAMA COULD DO WAS TRY TO FIND A DEMOCRAT WHO HAS ACTUALLY PAID THIER TAXES.
You libs always find a way to screw it up.

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Damn, right again. Might I make a suggestion. Add exclamation points. That will really make your posts persuasive.

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duh, wasn't Bush president on 9/11. He's done as good a job on our security as everything else he's touched

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Shh. For some reason america has collective amnesia on that critical point. He kept us safe, he kept us safe. That's the propoganda being spewed from the right-wing corporate media. You have to accept it and swallow it hook line and sinker. As they say, it is without dispute that he has kept us safe all these long years. 9/11 was the dems fault, remember.

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Bush kept us safe by not talking about trains? As a matter of fact, our run-down freight rail system created real supply problems for the war Bush waged in Iraq. That's where short-sighted thinking and not having a balanced approach to meeting transportation needs leads: to dead ends.

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At 4:10 pm, Neil B wrote:
"I was - still am, a huge Obama supporter -
I campaigned for him - went to his inauguration."

Then at 4:57 pm, this 'huge Obama supporter' wrote:
"Bush kept us safe all these years by not getting all caught up in this stuff....blah blah blah...
You libs always find a way to screw it up."

Neil B....couldn't you at least make an effort to create a new account?


I suspect that before the election, Neil B was one of those bloggers pretending to be a lifelong Democrat and Hillary supporter who was voting for McCain instead of Obama.


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Bond needs to lay off the sauce a bit. It's not good to be that drunk and sprouting off crap that early in the morning.

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Just like any large scale meeting, it's often the loudest people in the room who are heard, which also often mean its the dumbest in the room who are heard. I just call it Republicanism...okay, sorry, modern Republicanism

Really though, this is classic Republican political strategy. They've perfected the ability to create a discourse, and then insist that the rules of this self-created discourse are followed according to their defined terms. They then proceed to demonstrate unwavering solidarity on the issue, because they view their political existence and hence the existence of their power, as a collective. They'll get behind whoever has the loudest voice, regardless of what the underlying point of their message is, because that's who has the most power in the present moment. Constant ad hoc badgering, and the media who crave constant and ever-changing political narratives will echo their calls without an ounce of reasonable reflection.

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I think there is something to be said for speeding up projects in the "stimulus" bill. But I wouldn't cut mass transit. I would add a rider to the bill that any project selected: a) must complete more than 50% of construction by the end of 2010; b) is exempt from all state, local and federal permitting requirements; and c) any legal challenges, state or federal, are channeled into a designated federal court in DC. Back in the 1930s, you could build subways in a year or two. Now it takes five years to add a light rail extension system onto existing tracks (see, e.g., Boston's Green Line extension). This isn't because construction has grown less efficient; it's a political failure to insure we Build Absolultely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.

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I know its confusing, but in Republican Bizarroworld, all of this "not stimulative" stuff makes perfect sense. What you're not getting is that for a Republican, "stimulus" and "tax cut" are synonyms and "stimulus" and "government spending" are antonyms.

No, really. It's just that simple for them.

Next time you hear Bond or DeMint or McConnell talking what seems to be insane crazy talk about this bill, recall what I said up above and it all makes sense in a Republican Bizzaroworld kind of way.

Oh, also in Republican bizarro world, tax cuts cause total government revenue to increase, whereas government spending causes revenue to decrease. That's the other key to the code.

Unfoturnately, our MSM lives in Republican Bizarroworld, not our world. That's why they seem so confused, and even scornful, when Democrats say things like "tax cuts are not stimulative and would permanently increase the deficit as a structural matter." It just doesn't compute--they have a "I hear sounds that sound like words coming from your mouth, but I can't understand what you're saying" reaction.

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Bond is one of the biggest political assholes of all time. He is doing a favor for his contractor buddies and also thinks that black people might benefit if the money goes to transit and we wouldn't want that would we?

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C.A. Rotwang has spoken
...a few days ago, actually.

Transit is not stimulus. Sorry. If I was king, I'd spend about $200 billion for SUPERTRAINS. We could use high-speed rail lines in California, the Texas Triangle, Florida, the Midwest hub, and even Rep. John Mica's (R-FL) ginormous D.C. to Boston line. But I wouldn't call it stimulus, because it isn't
Keep reading and maybe you'll learn something.


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It seems to me that a good way to get around the Republicans' opposition to transit projects would be to specify nice-sized chunks of the funds for mass transit projects in the biggest cities in their states. This would have several effects:
1. You're essentially bribing the senators to vote for the bill. If it works that way, fine. If not, Bond et al. have to explain to their economically depressed constituents that they saved them from the "moral hazard" of having both jobs and better mass transit.
2. If you've always had to drive to work, a convenient, reliable mass transit system is a revelation--and with any luck people will remember which party wanted their twice-a-day, every-weekday commute to be an hour stuck in traffic, burning gasoline at christ-knows-what a gallon, and trying not to get killed, and which one wanted them to spend that time listening to iPods, reading the paper and watching the scenery go by.

Republicans will tend to shepherd the money to their pals. That's fine--as long as our guys do the planning and the very stringent, well-toothed specs. (You have to plan around the Rs' proclivity to treat public contracts as a license to steal.)

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Read this blog post "No Commerce Weekends in New York" and tell me that we don't need mass transit help.

Bond simply doesn't care about people who live in cities big enough to have mass transit.

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Incredible gall. Right here in St. Louis, the largest city in his home state, our transit agency is preparing to drastically cut service and lay off some 600 people. Keeping those people in work isn't "stimulative"?

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