Coleman Changes Position Yet Again, Now Wants To Throw Out Already-Counted Ballots He Said Were Legal
The Coleman campaign has just filed a very interesting motion in the election trial, changing their position for the fourth or fifth time on whether to count rejected absentee ballots -- and demanding that votes they've already stipulated as legal should be thrown out.
A review of the back-story is necessary. You might remember that the campaigns agreed during a statewide review of rejected absentee ballots that a group of 933 ballots were in fact legal and should be counted. Those ballots were counted on January 3, and they gave Al Franken a net gain of 176 votes. The Coleman campaign then started crying foul that some of these votes were really illegal and had to be thrown out.
When those votes were counted, numbers were affixed to the ballot envelopes and the ballots themselves, a just-in-case measure for if they would have to be thrown out again later on. Coleman later dropped this claim, and the election court's order to formalize this also commanded the Secretary of State's office to redact those numbers, in order to protect the secret ballot.
But now Coleman wants an order to stop the redactions, and to declare that some of these votes must be identified and thrown out. (ed. note: It is now too late to completely do this. See late update below.)
So Coleman was originally against counting them, then for it, then against it, then for it, and now against it, in that order.
The Coleman camp's claim is based on the fact that the court ordered last week that any new absentee ballots brought in will have to meet very strict standards to show that they were legal votes and thus improperly rejected the first time around.
But here's the big complication, Coleman argues: A portion of those 933 ballots wouldn't have met these standards, and thus they are illegal votes.
And since they are illegal votes, Coleman's prior agreements to count them do not matter. "The fact that contestants stipulated to the February 3, 2009 Order does not change the analysis," the motion says, arguing that the old stipulation was made under a legal understanding that no longer applies for what constitutes a legitimate ballot.
"More importantly, parties cannot agree to render legal a vote that is illegal," they also say, later adding: "Simply put, the stipulation is by its own terms null and void."
Late Update: John Aiken, communications director for the Secretary of State's office, has just informed me via e-mail that they are in fact halfway done with the redactions. This means Coleman's request is too late to have true materiel success -- even if the legal logic were held true, it's now impossible to fish out at least some of the votes he would want to toss out.
And Coleman's camp must have known this. They dropped their claim about these ballots over two weeks ago, and that's when the order to make the redactions was then handed down.
But this could have impact in another way: Their legal reasoning would lead one to the conclusion that the whole vote-count number is tainted.
Late Late Update: Deputy Secretary of State Jim Gelbmann told the Star Tribune that maybe you could get those numbers back, as they are wiped out using a black Sharpie permanent marker: "I would guess, when you look at forensic science, if you really, really wanted to, you could find some way to get rid of the black marker and find out what number is written in red ink."
Oh, brother.
















There must be some point at which a judge will warn a lawyer to stop frivolously wasting the court's time, mustn't there?
February 20, 2009 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe it might be time to delve into the background of the judges and see which way they're ideologically inclined.
February 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is no secret. It has been reported several times who appointed every judge, etc.
February 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a three-judge panel composed of one Democrat, one Republican, and one Ventura-appointee. Talk about balance.
Their rulings so far have all been unanimous.
February 20, 2009 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
February 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Laughter through tears is my favorite emotion.
-- Truvy, Steel Magnolias
February 20, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those ballots aren't on Coleman's list that was disclosed to Franken prior to the start of the trial, so they aren't admissible anyway. The fact that Coleman did not put them on his list because he was mistaken about the law is no excuse.
February 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coleman seems to be pretending that this isn't in ligitation -- and that we're still in the recount stage. During a recount, of course, you can make various arguments -- keep them, omit them, keep them, omit them, etc. -- that are inconsistent with one another. Those of you who have followed this case from the beginning of the recount should recall that this was going on all the time back then.
Litigation is different. If you stipulate to a certain fact or a certain conclusion of law, you've pretty much severed your ability to go back and change your mind. In litigation, Coleman agreed certain absentee votes should be counted. That's pretty much it, as far as I am concerned.
February 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's going to be pretty much it as far as the judges are concerned, too. I'm not sure for whose benefit Coleman is doing this. The motion isn't going to help him on appeal, and it will be denied in a nanosecond, so it's not even going to help him delay the inevitable.
February 20, 2009 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's all about muddying the waters to make this whole trial worthless. His whole case has been a mess, I just think he wants this whole case thrown out so he could start over or something.
It's the judges fault for letting him play his games. Eventhough they rule in favor of Franken, I think they playing Coleman's game. They've let Coleman make ridiculous arguments, make ridiculous claims and it's gotten to the point where the whole trial is a mess.
They're letting Coleman bring the whole election system into disrepute. I think the Republican judge pulled one over on the others and is bought and paid for.
February 20, 2009 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nah. My general feeling is these judges are letting Coleman have his say, make his stupid arguments now, let him get it all out of the way, and essentially give him no grounds for appeal. Of course he will appeal, however, the MN-SC does not have to take up the appeal. They can look back and say the judges panel went over this already and we agree with their decision. "You've got nothing, Norm". The are being overly diligent for good reason- they know he's going to appeal. It's better for them, better for MN, better for the system- if they give him no room to make an argument for appeal. That's my take.
February 20, 2009 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right you are. Judges are not fools, they know their way around a courtroom. Coleman has lost and everyone understands that. They just need to dot every i and cross every t so that there is no basis for appeal whatsoever.
Coleman's only hope of stealing this is to get it into Federal Court. That would be a disaster .....
February 20, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or maybe Coleman and his lawyers new that the srubb had already taken place and planned to reverse course down the line simply to bring the proceedings to a stalemate. My question woudl be is it now incumbent for the Sec of state to go back into his system and find those original ballots which are now in question? Is this similar to when NGO's were asking for white-house emails which were supposedly srubbed from their system. Didn't the spend months try to recoup those emails and in the end only get some of them? If this is the case then I would bet the three-person panel is getting rather tired of dealing with these stalling techniques in order for the national GOP to have some sort of advantage in the Senate in terms of their ability to deliver legislation which surpasses the 60 vote threshold. Isn't incumbent on this panel to work to get this resolved in a fair and expediant fashion considering the overwhelming needs of the Minnesota Public?
February 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wrap it up.
February 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this has now officially achieved the status of "frivolous lawsuit" that the Republicans always seem so hellbent on eradicating.
February 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
No shit, talk about hypocrisy. They are all for tort reform until it's their own ass on the line or perhaps one of their collegues. Their assualt on the judiciary over the last two decades has been nothing short of radical. Of course that is not to say that we need more lawyers in this country, we surely have plenty graduating from school and finding it tough to get a job, but the GOP and many conservatives have hijacked the high-ground claiming that their approach matches their conservative credentials. I grew up in a conservative state and in a conservative community and they only bridge which united many of these people was there hold on two principals of conservatism: Fiscal Conservatism and Small Government. Of course neither of these two principals have been met by any of the GOP Presidents during my time but that has not stopped them from voting for these faux conservatives. I think our current economic downturn has turned people's eyes toward the reality as it is. The GOP and many of the D's have sought unfettered growth for this country at the expense of long-term stability. The fact that so many people now identify themselves as independents is a reflection of this. Both parties will have to change but it would seem tha the GOP is reluctant to give up their standard platform of "I want my cake and I want to eat it too"!
February 20, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I think the republican motto is " I want my cake and I want your cake and I want to eat it all too. "
They are the party of "greed is good" and "greedier is better" and they never seem to hesitate or feel guilty. Which sort of makes them the "Sociopathic Party."
February 20, 2009 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
The continued existence of this case is calling the validity of our entire legal system into question, as far as I'm concerned.
February 20, 2009 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Simple Eric
They're just trying to set up the point for the appeal
February 20, 2009 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes they are trying to get some grounds for appeal. They want to get this out of Minnesota because according to all laws there and an incredible effort by the courts there to be fair, Coleman has lost. They need to get into federal court and then get themselves to the Supremes where the fix is in for any republican. Scalia and his crew will hand this to Coleman in a heartbeat just like Bush v Gore. This is not a nation of laws according to modern republicans, it is a nation of haves and have nots, it is a nation of the powerful and the nobody. Be afraid ..... be very afraid!
February 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is absurd. The MN Statutes contain a provision for correction of obvious errors where the candidates unanimously agree. MN Stat. 204C.38. While I can't recall if the MN S.Ct. expressly relied on this provision when it issued its order, I always equated the procedure with this provision. Once you have agreed, it is done and you are estopped from challenging it. That is why the S.Ct. said that only agreed upon ballots could be counted -- to prevent a party (turns out to be Coleman) from making exactly this claim.
You can summarize Coleman's position as "We thought we would win and based our strategy accordingly. Now that you ruled against us, we need to change our strategy." This motion should be summarily denied and the Election Court should set an Order to Show Cause re sanctions for filing a frivolous motion.
February 20, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for clarifying that. I had been puzzled as to why the SC gave the campaigns any say in the matter. Still doesn't sound like criket to me but if it's the law...
February 20, 2009 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eric, when this is all over, I'd like to buy you a beer. Or some Alka Seltzer.
I don't know how you have the stomach to keep covering this circus, but thanks for doing it so we don't have to!
PEACE
February 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
It appears that the only party that has been inconsistent in the recount and contest is the Coleman campaign.
Yes, it is their legal strategy, not the recount and election contest procedures, that is "fatally flawed".
At this point, the Coleman team is just picking its nose until the appeal.
February 20, 2009 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess the trump card will be the motion to exclude all votes from registered Democrats...
February 20, 2009 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Minnesota does not have voter registration by party affiliation. There are no registered Republicans or registered Democrats (technically Democratic-Farmer-Laborites,)just plain old registered voters.
February 20, 2009 9:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Forward step cha-cha-cha
back step cha-cha-cha
forward step cha-cha-cha
back step cha-cha-cha
February 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Historically, courts have had a very straightforward remedy for unrecoverable, possilby-outcome-altering errors that occur in elections: direct the legislature and the executive in question to fix the problem in time for the next election. I would love to see the MN Supreme Court issue a ruling along those lines for any "taint" alleged by Coleman's lawyers.
February 20, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad we couldn't have a good old-fashioned class action suit against Coleman for depriving them of their representation in the Senate. Yes, fellow attorneys, it'd be a loser, but perhaps not frivolous, and could suck up some legal fees. Better yet some kind of intervention.
Did anything ever happen with Franken's motion lo those many weeks ago to seat him pending the outcome of the case?
February 20, 2009 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm waiting for him to introduce the Chewbacca defense.
"Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests."
Or is this latest flip flop a result of Chewbacca voting by absentee ballot in Nobles County while his pernament address is clearly Endor?
February 20, 2009 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
We all know that all you need do to beat the Chewbacca defense is restate it and then pull a monkey out of your pocket
Hint, hint Mr. Elias, use: "Here, Look at the monkey. Look at the silly Monkey"
btw, Bucky rocks MSU tonight!
February 20, 2009 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
All this time I thought Coleman was a sore loser.
Now I think it is all the flipin' and floppin' that has made him so sore.
February 20, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
1) This trial isn’t an affront to our judicial system. To the contrary, it is a wonderful display that the system works. Even when national politics, complicated facts, inconsistent legal arguments, inherent flaws in existing laws and inevitable human error get thrown in, the system, with all its flaw on display, is working. Part of the problem is a matter of perception; law is a perennial favorite topic of entertainment, in book, tv and movies, and it is rarely represented accurately. One of the most common misrepresentations is the timeline between a case presented and a decision reached. It is rarely as satisfying in real life, and never as fast.
2) Many have speculated that one of the goals of the Coleman’s team is to delay as long as possible a 59th Democratic Senator from being seated. At this point, I have to conclude that is the ONLY purpose. They are not doing anything that can be rationally justified as trying to actually win. Coleman’s team has demonstrated that they really don’t care about the facts, law or ultimate outcome of this case. There is no apparent consistency to their arguments and no indication there is any theme or point to the witnesses and evidence they are offering. They are not trying to just create a record for appeal, because they have created too many invited errors, and have been unable or unwilling to make a coherent offer of proof. By this point they have even undercut many of the legitimate arguments they may have once had. It is almost unimaginable that they are trying to manufacture an argument of malpractice for appeal. (An alcoholic defense counsel passing out, inebriated, repeatedly during a murder trial is malpractice – a large, well-funded team of nationally-recognized attorneys making a mess of things is calculated obfuscation). Occom’s Razor (sort of): When confronted with multiple theories to explain a fact or situation, choose the one that has the least assumptions and simplest path. Applying this test, I see only one obvious conclusion: the Republican puppetmasters have given directions to just keep shoveling doo-doo until the judges finally take away their shovels.
Then conduct the appeal with the same approach. A bad argument still takes time to refute.
3) The only drama left to unfold is just how long the judges will allow the shoveling to continue. Indications are they are reaching that point. (Remember how long the OJ trial went on? THAT was a case of the judge losing control of a case. Fairly simple murder case. Could have been presented over a couple weeks. The facts of this case are actually much more complicated.) We can expect more rulings, faster, that continue to limit Coleman. Proof of my assumption will be when we get to a point that there are only a handful of ballots still “in play,” with no mathematical chance that Coleman can win, but his team will keep fighting for each ballot, rather than just making an offer of proof, because fighting takes longer. His case will just peter out, rather than actually conclude. When we finally get there, I wouldn’t be too surprised if the case dismissed without Franken needing to put on a case, and Franken’s team then submitting a concise, written offer of proof to support the inclusion of additional ballots in his favor, to properly preserve the record.
February 20, 2009 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly right. Franken's voters showed a path to quick resolution with the MSJ that the court ruled on -- allowing 24 ballots in out of 63. It can be done by declaration and resolved quickly for many of these voters. But they are choosing not to do that for one reason -- delay.
February 20, 2009 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is this still in court?
February 20, 2009 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mr E says..."the Republican puppetmasters have given directions to just keep shoveling doo-doo until the judges finally take away their shovels."
Exactly. I believe the republicans just held a fund raising event for this slime. Thats all this is. They have no shame.
February 20, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
They have no shame! None!
Before an election is held the republicans do everything legal and illegal to limit the number of Democratic voters. The phony voter fraud cases, the bullshit about Acorn, purging the voter rolls of tens of thousands of voters by "mistakes" uncorrectable until after the election is over ..... they use every trick in the book to limit the legal right to vote if you are likely to be a Democrat. Then after they still loose you have to sit and listen to Coleman and his ilk prattle on endlessly about counting every vote like they are all boy scouts trying to earn a citizenship badge. I despise the republican party and anyone who gives them the time of day is a fool or a crook.
February 20, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
They already leveraged far more out of the stim than have been fundraised to pay Coleman's legal bills. And that, my friends, is the game they are playing.
February 20, 2009 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope the court has slo-mo cameras running so they can determine which shell the pea is actually under.
February 20, 2009 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
They already leveraged far more out of the stim than have been fundraised to pay Coleman's legal bills. And that, my friends, is the game they are playing.
February 20, 2009 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tim Pawlenty said in an interview last night that he would expect that a winner would be finalized sometime this summer.
February 20, 2009 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once upon a time, long ago, when I was a practicing lawyer in federal court, the defendant's attorneys made a motion to throw out our lawsuit (under the Civil Rights Act of 1964) saying we had not stated a "case or controversy" under the Constitution.
The assertion was so baldy ridiculous that there was no law for us to cite. We just had to go with the assertion on our own part that a case that alleged violation of a federal statute did indeed state a "case or controversy."
The judge ruled in our favor.
This case reminds me of that old one of mine, except that the judges just won't make that leap and say that Coleman has no credible arguments under the statute.
February 20, 2009 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hate to say it, but if they're just using a black magic marker to mark over numbers that were written with a ball point pen , all they probably have to do is put a piece of scotch tape over the place where the numbers were mentioned, pull it back up and, presto, negative impression of the printing. Stick the tape onto a white piece of paper and they'll jump right out at you.
February 20, 2009 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
You do realize there is no end is sight for this circus, right?
Imagine if a Dem were challenging this much. It would be ALL OVER WSJ & WaPo opinions, Drudge, FNC ...
Instead, this is just allowed to go on & on & on ... Can you say Double Standard??
February 20, 2009 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
O...M...G!!!
This is funnier than anything Al Franken every wrote for SNL.
Hmmmm....I've got it. Propose to Norm that he and Al switch jobs. Norm can pitch his next dozen court motions to SNL and Al can be the Senator from Minnesota. It's a win-win!
February 23, 2009 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink