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County Says "Illegal" Votes Cited By Coleman Camp Are Really Legit

Oh, boy. Yesterday, Coleman spokesman/attorney Ben Ginsberg held a dramatic press conference to announce that 300 clearly invalid absentee ballot envelopes -- roughly 150 of them weren't even signed by the voters -- had been improperly opened and counted Election Night in the Democratic stronghold of St. Louis County (Duluth). It was a major part of the Coleman camp's push to undermine the legitimacy of the whole vote count, possibly in pursuit of a new election.

But now Noah Kunin at The Uptake looked into this with the county officials, showing them quite a few examples, and they've told him a different story: It appears these were not actually the envelopes used by those voters -- they were for in-house use by the local election workers, and these votes were legal.

Here's the deal: Overseas voters (typically in the military) receive special absentee envelopes that don't match up with the standard form that Minnesota uses. But Duluth has a policy of taking those overseas ballots after they receive them from the county, and then putting them inside standard Minnesota ones, filling in just enough info (name and address) to sort them out and get them delivered to the precincts on Election Night.

Thus, the county believes that those unsigned envelopes were in fact valid votes, that happened to be put inside envelopes filled out by county employees. County elections director Paul Tynjala just told TPM that he's confident the 60-plus envelopes he's seen were all in order, and the county is pulling the originals just to double-check.

It's probably correct that somewhere out there are votes let in on Election Night that shouldn't have been. But it turns out the Coleman campaign is shouting this from the rooftops based on evidence that is inconclusive at best, and horrible at worst.

And even then, there's no way to un-count absentee votes that were separated from their envelopes -- it comes down to the secret ballot. What this really is about is building a case in either the court or the public arena that a result with Al Franken ahead is not legitimate.


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It's kind of sad that Coleman has so little faith in Minnesota election officials.

Different counties - different methods, Norm.

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The hallway display sounded fishy from the beginning. The Coleman camp is pulling this crap outside of the courtroom to avoid cross examination of the "evidence" and the witnesses by the court or by Franken's lawyers.

Your last sentence is accurate, but what it continues to show me is that they have no case.

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Let us be clear: Norm Coleman is trying to disenfranchise our service members!

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Are there not any rules or laws in place to prevent a party in a court case from hiring a "lawyer" to stand outside the courtroom and make factually incorrect statements?

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Well, we have that free speech thing, so that gives these assholes the right to shout whatever they want.

There's protocol and generally accepted behavior. Clearly these finks are way out of bounds; perhaps enough to get them reprimanded by the MN Bar Assoc.

Keeping in mind the motivation for Coleman's case (delay Franken's seating; cast doubt about the legitimacy of the vote; spray RNC shit on the democrat party), it's hard to say whether or not this gang of thugs will be reviled, admired, or both.

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No wonder Coleman withdrew Benny's motion for admission pro hac vice today. Did not want to give the Court power to pull him in and sanction him. Guess it is better to risk the penalty of practicing law without a license than facing the wrath of the judges after these comments are shown to be totally false.

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When can the Senate finally seat Franken? Do they have to wait until Coleman's appealed this case or can they do it sooner than that? It seems that Coleman's losing ground daily now, even county officials are speaking up against his claims. Maybe they're insulted by the notion that they can't be trusted to hold a legitimate election. Let's hope Franken gets his Senate seat this month, these proceedings are getting absolutely ludicrous.

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More questions from a non-Minnesotan...

It seems Coleman's camp now believes they're going to lose, and are only playing for an appeal or for a do-over.

Is there any polling showing how Minnesotans would vote if there were a new election?

Is there any polling showing the public's opinion of this whole case? Is the GOP paying any price up there, in other words?

Who gets to decide if there is to be a new election?

Finally, politically, does the GOP nationally or in M. gain anything long-term by pulling this stunt. In other words, do they lose this case, but get some sort of win, politically, by getting the base jazzed up somehow? Or is this a loser all around?

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The National GOP seems fundamentally incapable of doing ANYTHING resembling long-term gain. They can't recognize their own death spiral.

On the other hand, legislation being considered now with 58 Dem votes v. 59 Dem votes may have long-term consequences. So there are very real advantages the GOP sees to going as slowwwwwwwwllly as possible with the trial (and appeals).

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It seems Coleman's camp now believes they're going to lose, and are only playing for an appeal or for a do-over.

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Who gets to decide if there is to be a new election?

I do not believe there is any provision in MN election law for a new election.

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Eric,
I'm unclear about this article. Are you saying that you, though your good journalism and hard work have discovered these facts about the ballots, or that you, through your good journalism and reporting on the trial learned of this because it was presented in court?

Shorter: Have the judges heard this yet?

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This was presented just to the press. Eric was crediting someone else for digging up the facts. It seems like missing the point to not mention that the Coleman campaign could have made the phone calls Kunin made, and should have before presenting this even to the press. I almost wish they had presented this to the court. They've been making this same sloppy mistake throughout.

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Kudos to Noah Kunin and The Uptake. This small citizen journalism organization run by volunteers might be the biggest winner of the recount and contest.

TPM readers might be interested to know that besides streaming the proceedings, The Uptake now has an hour simulcast on the local liberal talk radio station from 5-6 PM Central. The video streams on their home page.

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