TPMDC
« TPMDC Morning Roundup | Home | Norm Coleman: Maybe We Need A Do-Over Election »

GOP Senators Blast Steele Over Talk Of Primary Challenges

Michael Steele's back-and-forth flirtation with possible primary challenges to the party's pro-stimulus Republicans is now causing him to catch some real flak. And it's not just from those same Republican, but also from conservatives concerned about winning elections -- perhaps indicative of internal strains in the GOP between a hard-line conservative agenda, versus the basic electoral goal of winning office.

Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME), a pro-stimulus Republican who will be up for re-election in 2012, told Roll Call that she approached Steele about his comments and asked him bluntly: "You didn't really mean that, did you?" She said that Steele has agreed to set up a meeting with the three pro-stimulus GOPers to discuss this.

Snowe pointed out that the loss of GOP moderates, and the view that they don't belong in the party, has contributed to the party's overall decrease. "When we were in the majority, there were more of us. Now that we're in the minority, there are less of us," Snowe explained, also adding: "If that's what they want to be, well that's their choice."

And NRSC chairman John Cornyn, a right-winger whose job description right now is quite simply to elect more Republicans, said that while Steele has backed off a bit, Republicans should focus on attacking the Democrats and not each other: "We need to be finding candidates that can win in different parts of the country ... not forming circular firing squads, especially when our numbers are so small."


53 Comments

| Leave a comment
user-pic

"Now that we're in the minority, there are less of us"

They've lost weight?

user-pic

She means "there are less of us (moderate GOP politicians)." But I agree, it was a bit inartfully phrased.

Also, maybe someone should tell Cornyn that focusing solely on attacking Democrats without coming up with a plan of your own is a recipe for failure. Jindal proved that.

user-pic

my inner grammar nazi is compelled to point out that "fewer" is used with things that are discrete and distinct - "there are fewer elected Republicans" - while "less" is used for things which are uncountable quantities - "since summer ended, I am drinking less water".

(however, if you were to talk about how many quarts of water you drink per day, it would be correct to say, 'since summer ended, I am drinking 2 fewer quarts of water per day.')

user-pic

My inner political science nazi is compelled to point out that today's Republican Party has been assimilated into a sort of Borg and therefore the plural form isn't relevant when discussing the GOP. Those who refuse to assimilate because they adhere to traditional Burkean conservatism get labeled as "liberal", "fellow-traveler", and "Democrat", even if they're really Andrew Sullivan.

user-pic

Yessss!

user-pic

Well played!

user-pic

"We need to be finding candidates that can win in different parts of the country ... not forming circular firing squads, especially when our numbers are so small."

You can say that twice, Cornyn, cause your days are numbered. Texas votes more Democratic with each succeeding election cycle. My state is turning blue again in my lifetime - sooner rather than later.

Depend on it.

user-pic

Only thing keeping Texas from turning blue is the dearth of strong, well-financed Democratic candidates.

The state GOP is steering hard right on abortion, immigration and tax breaks for the rich, and KBH's gubernatorial primary bid against Perry will split off any moderates in the party.

Still, we have to have some candidates who are fired up and ready to rock.

Sharp?

user-pic

Let me tell you from experience the same thing happened in Montana and Colorado.

I am writing a book on the grass roots organizing in CO and the research that continues to point to the total failure within the GOP is that it never was about actually solving problems and only about being against----the sum of its parts---against government working and the social contract of the New Deal.

This is the consequence of their failed counterrevolution and seeking to reconstruct the laissez faire past.

Finally this is the ironic thing about even trying to work in a bipartisan fashion. There is no common ground what so ever to start with. Their ideas is to tear down the government. Thune is the best---give all the money away----all tax breaks----forget that government works---

They are lost like the Nazi's as were the Soviets.

user-pic

Evidence, please. Specifics?

user-pic

Somebody sounds pissed. "If that's what they want to be, well that's their choice"? That sounds like a major threat. Could we soon witness the defection of the last moderate republicans to dems or independent status? That would be an interesting development. It must be pretty lonely for them in the caucus meetings. To sit there and listen to the insanity. It must suck.

user-pic

Even money at least one of them is caucusing with the Dems by 2013.

user-pic

I think it will be sooner at this rate. I will gladly pay that bet though. I'd rather have all three. Are there any others? I still can't believe the stimulus vote. That was pathetic.

On another note, I wish chaffee would have switched parties before he got trounced. I really liked the guy. He was honest at least. He made the mistake of being in the wrong party. His votes were basically dem and more dem than alot of blue dogs.

user-pic

I don't think so. Swing voters typically have MAJOR leverage because the GOP can't risk losing them. Of course, the assumption is that the GOP leadership behaves rationally, which is completely without foundation, so anything can happen.

user-pic

Maybe, maybe not. The leverage they have is with the dems now, not the gop. The gop basically is powerless, other than to block legislation. While the dems can hand out the goodies to get their votes. Throw on top of that the rnc saying fu on helping get you reelected and we will primary challenge you to get another hard right-winger. What logical reason is there for them to stay in the republican caucus? I don't see one.

user-pic

Switching parties is a pretty cathartic event for a politician. Steele made his point, but I don't think the moderates are going to be cowed. That stuff works a lot better in the House where they have to stand for re-election every cycle. He's already hearing some pushback from other R's, and not just the three "defectors". Snowe and Collins don't have to worry about primary challenges for a while. Specter is not going to switch or go indy.

user-pic

Ah, you are probably right. One can always hope though. Incidentally, as long as they go with obama that's all that matters in the end anyway.

user-pic

Not saying that any of them would switch, but if you consider how close the Democrats in the Senate are to a filibuster-proof majority, the influence they could exact for switching would be considerable. This is probably why Cornyn, who in more balanced times would be trying to intimidate them, is now posing as the voice of reason and accommodation.

The question I would ask is 'are there Democrats in the Senate who are more Conservative than they are?' If so I have to think that there is there is very low down-side risk to switching.

user-pic

I'm trying to figure out the significance of the word "they" (if any). People will inadvertently tell you what they're thinking all the time if you just listen. It takes a conscious effort to dissemble, and most people can't sustain it for very long.

So is she inadvertently referring to *Republicans* as "they" or something like that? "They" as opposed to "we/my party"? Or is she close to that?

I agree with you that she's angry. And frankly, I can imagine anywhere-from-one-to-all-three of these legislators ultimately flipping. How much fun can it be cleaning the toilets/heads on a sinking ship?

user-pic

The base has become a regional jargon-laden cult. Whomever addresses the nation as a Republican has to bow before the cult and speak their jargon. Most of America doesn't pay close enough attention to Handupme, Limpblob or Closet Savage to understand the jargon. But they can't speak anything other than jargon because they come across as insane and childish when they explain their (diminishing) ideas.

So, here's to the GOP: forced to appeal to fanatics and commit slow ritual suicide to appease their blood fervor. No one remembers pinko Commies. No one remembers or cares much about St. Ronnie. No one understands Clinton Derangement Syndrome well enough to pass it on to Obama. Only the media villagers try (and fail) to decode your jargon for the masses. You fail. FAIL. Bif time FAIL.

user-pic

Dear Sen. Snowe and Sen. Collins:

if the GOP won't have you, we'll take you.

user-pic

Cosign. That's what the lady was at least hinting at, and I'm only hear to support her. I'd happily take Specter as well, and I think he'd change a lot of his tunes (which would need to be pre-coordinated) if he flipped.

user-pic

Come on now everybody. Steele has the right idea for the GOP. Focus on that southern vote. That's the ticket. Rush and Bill'O are the standard bearers. And doesn't Steele look cute in his jockey suit holding that light?

user-pic

The Republicans ought to stick with what works for them:


  • Pander to the anti-science, pro-fundamental religionists in Appalachia and the South

  • Just say "NO" to anything having to do with American workers' jobs, especially if UNIONS are involved

  • Keep the Vitters, Craigs, etc. around for moral purity's sake

  • Keep propping up tokens-on-a-stick like Jindal and Steele to complete the curiosity of having the "face" of the party be 180° away from the "reality" of the party...

Basically, I'm saying Way to go, good ol' boys!

user-pic

You nailed it perfectly notKeith. Isn't it fun watching the Steele & Rush gang implode?

user-pic

Absolutely. They need to stick with the guys who brought them to the dance. From the son, back to the father, back to Saint Ron, as interpreted by the prophet Rush Limpbag. As a liberal, I'm really frightened. Yup yup.

BTW - Absolultely LOVE the avatar!

user-pic

Not that any of your other claims are any less wrong, you should remember that both Steele and Jindal did win state wide races in their respective states...it's not as if they were "appointed" their offices through affirmative action.

user-pic

Steele didn't win shit on his own. He was on the ticket with Ehrlich and it was a package deal. That's the only way he got elected. Steele has lost every race in which he ran on his own.

The guy is a floater aka turd!

user-pic

So, am I the only one who thinks this GOP intramural fight sounds oddly familiar? There's a lesson here about what happens to parties that impose rigorous purity tests on their politicians in this country.

Not saying it's bad to target the worst of the worst, like, say, Heath Schulyer or Quisling Joe Lieberman, but it's a dangerous game precisely because success tends to cause the movement types to look for fresh game. Eventually, what should be an exercise in excising malignancies becomes prophylactic amputation of healthy limbs. Next thing you know, your party end up like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

user-pic

Senator Cornyn was talking about "how small our numbers are." Republicans are also statistically more likely to have small members, if you know what I mean, at least in terms of the male members members. Much of their jingoist rhetoric is overcompensation for this well-known and scupulously documented fact.

user-pic

Come to think of it, they do tend to drive big-ass trucks and Hummers... guess you drive what you can't get.. or something like that..
..not sure what that even means...

user-pic

Please don't complain about Steele! The only thing better would have been that clown from SC. or Blackwell as head of the RNC. Steele is on a "pissing off tour" and don't slow him down! It won't be long ,if this continues, the Republican base will be Sc, Ga, Al, Ms, La, Utah, Idaho, and Ar. They keep pandering to the religious nuts and the 'permanent Republican majority' will do a "180."

user-pic

I wonder how Steele and Jindal played to the racist portion of the party.

user-pic

Back in the bad old days, southern racists had an expression they used to describe black people who conformed to the the social conventions of segregation. Two words. First word: good. Second word: sounds like bigger.

user-pic

"In other news, a fistfight broke out at the meeting today of the Conservative Political Action Committee when one member accused another of 'letting the black guy in.' Film at 11."

user-pic

hahahahahahahahahahahah .... stops for breath .....hahahahahahahah! Thank you Jade7243.

user-pic

Yuk yuk...nothing like a good racial slur among friends.

user-pic

As a Mainer, I would think that by 2012 Snowe might have had enough. There would be plenty of wingnuts lined up to take her place. A sane person can't win a GOP primary anymore. That'd be cool.

user-pic

What Steele fails to realize is that by putting up ultra conservative primary challengers in states like PA, he's really risking costing his party the seat in the end. States like PA and Maine will vote for moderate Republicans like Spector, Snowe and Collins. But if presented with an ultra conservative Republican, they'll likely vote for the Democratic nominee.

Yeah, if Steele puts someone up against Spector, he may knock him out. But all it would do is pretty much ensure the Dems gain the seat.

user-pic

Please pass the popcorn; this train wreck is mesmerizing!

user-pic

Olympia Snowe ought to walk away from the GOP now. If Lieberman can be re-elected as an (I), then surely Snowe can be re-elected as a (D).

user-pic

The Troll in me wants to head over to the righty blogs and just start chanting RINO whenever they mention any Repub on Capitol Hill. The more stringent their purity test, the better for progressives.

On the other hand, I think Obama would be grateful for an intelligent debate from the right. He seems genuinely concerned about groupthink/echo chamber issues, and I think he'd appreciate good ideas coming from the right. But there isn't a fresh idea in the whole frakkin' republican caucus right now.

user-pic

I'm pretty sure that Snowe and Collins politely reminded Steele that the Dems only need 2 more seats to get to 60 and render the GOP completely irrelevant in Congress.

user-pic

If these three "moderates" had any spine they would tell Steele to cram his fascistic party and go Independent. Party first, however- and such a wonderful political party to be associated with. A most disgusting display of personal cowardice, in my opinion.

user-pic

A hypothetical scenario: if Roland Burris went ape-shit, so to speak, and starting shrieking and jumping up and down, and ripped off Nancy Pelosi's face, would the Senate eject him? I can't think of anything less that would make them get rid of that disgraceful clown, can you?

user-pic
She approached Steele about his comments and asked him bluntly: "You didn't really mean that, did you?"


To which Steele responded: "Come on... do I mean ANYTHING I say?"

user-pic

Is Steele/Cornyn stoopid enough to drive Snowe across the aisle? I begin to think yes.

user-pic

If I were Snowe, I'd start the meeting with Steele by saying "please explain to us why we're better off in the Republican party than as Blue Dog Democrats."

That should get a very interesting conversation going.

user-pic

Amazing, how "moderate" is defined now as right wingers who speak english properly and don't shit themselves when drunk.

user-pic

In Maine the conservative Republican wing dovetails well with the racist wing. Snowe and Collins are viewed as traitors by this wing for siding with the Ds on the stimulus and, in doing so, supporting the horrible brown person who stole the White House and can't produce a birth certificate. A conservative Republican cannot win a statewide office in Maine. Ergo, as mentioned above, if Snowe decides against another term in 2012, the Republican primary will select a far-right loonytune and the Dems will take the Senate seat.

user-pic

A hypothetical scenario: if Roland Burris went ape-shit, so to speak, and starting shrieking and jumping up and down, and ripped off Nancy Pelosi's face, would the Senate eject him? I can't think of anything less that would make them get rid of that disgraceful clown, can you?

user-pic

sixth time you have cross-posted this idiocy in one day at TPM - dude, seek help for your OCD.

Leave a comment

Advertisement
Please disable your adblocker!
Ads are how we pay the bills!

Subscribe

Josh
Marshall

Bio

Elana
Schor

Bio

Matt
Cooper

Bio

Eric
Kleefeld

Bio

Advertise Liberally
Share
Close Social Web Email

"To" Email Address

Your Name

Your Email Address