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Obama Address: "We Can't Afford To Make Perfect The Enemy Of The Absolutely Necessary"
In this weekend's YouTube address, President Obama gives his support to the newest version of the stimulus plan, and says it is vitally important to pass the bill:

"Legislation of such magnitude deserves the scrutiny that it's received over the last month, and it will receive more in the days to come," says Obama. "But we can't afford to make perfect the enemy of the absolutely necessary. The scale and scope of this plan is right. And the time for action is now."

Steele Address: Cut Taxes, Don't Spend, To Stimulate The Economy
Michael Steele, as the new chairman of the Republican National Committee, is getting in on the YouTube Address motif, too, with this new speech. Steele declares that power has already gone to the Democrats' heads, and he attacks the idea of government spending to boost the economy:

"The fastest way to help those families is by letting them keep more of the money they earn," says Steele. "Individual empowerment: that's how you stimulate the economy."

Stimulus Could Pass Senate Tuesday -- But It Won't Be Over
The Senate is expected to vote on cloture on the new stimulus bill on Monday. Should that succeed, it would then proceed to vote on final passage for Tuesday. At this point, the bill will then have to go to a House-Senate conference committee, which will negotiate the differences between the House and Senate versions, with the goal being to get something passed by the next weekend.

McConnell: This Plan Won't Work; GOP Won't Support It
Mitch McConnell has released a statement saying that while he hasn't seen the full compromise plan, he has seen enough to say that Senate Republicans will still oppose it. "So let me just sum it up by saying no action is not what any of my Republican colleagues are advocating," said McConnell. "But most of us are deeply skeptical that this will work. And that level of skepticism leads us to believe that this course of action should not be chosen."

Boehner: Stimimlus Bill Is "90 Percent Of A Bad Idea"
John Boehner has also released a statement deriding the new plan. "But ultimately this bill should be judged on whether it works, and 90 percent of a bad idea is still a bad idea," said Boehner. "Like the House-passed bill, the proposed Senate bill appears to be focused overwhelmingly on slow-moving and wasteful Washington spending, rather than immediate job creation and fast-acting tax relief. This is not what the American people want; nor is it what the President called for at the start of the process."

Biden: It's Time To "Press The Reset Button" On Diplomacy
Vice President Biden spoke today to the annual Munich Security Conference, promising a fresh start in U.S. foreign policy. "It's time, to paraphrase President Obama, to press the reset button and to revisit the many areas where we can and should work together," said Biden. He also added: "We will engage. We will listen. We will consult. America needs the world, just as I believe the world needs America."

Poll: Sebelius Could Win Kansas Senate Seat For Dems
A new Research 2000 poll shows that Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius, who is not at this time a candidate for Senate, ahead of two Republican Congressmen in the open-seat race. Sebelius leads Rep. Todd Tiahrt by 47%-37%, and is ahead of Rep. Jerry Moran by 48%-36%. The last time a Democrat won a Kansas Senate race was in the first FDR landslide of 1932.


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Spending is stimulus which will fuel job creation, consumer spending, and growth aka the economy, Boner.

Thanks to everyone who has a hand in stripping things like food stamps which are the most effective stimulus there is. Also, the children thank you for stripping education and Head Start spending which also SAVE and create jobs.

The people approve of the stimulus, they do not approve of things like I listed above that have been stripped from this bill.

Boner.

Food stamps are smart, see:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ouT2lOboFBM/SQij6XNmDnI/AAAAAAAAAEw/HUqttfhQCvQ/s400/20081022snapshot600.jpg

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These are also many of the same programs that the Rethugs in charge of the UT state legislature are stripping of funding at the state level. Utah's children are doomed.

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If this article is right, food stamps and money for NCLB were left in.

In a key reduction from the bill that reached the Senate floor earlier in the week, $40 billion would be cut from a "fiscal stabilization fund" for state governments, though $14 billion to boost the maximum for college Pell Grants by $400 to $5,250 would be preserved, as would aid to local school districts for the No Child Left Behind law and special education.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090206/Congress.Stimulus/print/

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Steele = Hoover.

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Centrist 'Gang of 20' Senators Took Instructions From Rumsfeld
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=6010 AND
Even Cut Out Heart Defibrillators as 'Non-Stimulative'
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=6025

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Michael Steele's "power" has gone to his head. He's RNC chairman, nothing more. He seems to think he is the shadow President or something. I think the guy is going to be a train wreck.

McConnell and Boehner don't believe the Dem's plan will work, however don't realize that everybody knows their way doesn't work. it's what got America into the current mess. I hope the Dems have their unabashed liberals on the Sunday Talkies tomorrow, because I want Dems on the offensive. I want the GOP challenged as to why their tax cut idea, proven ineffective under the Bush Administration, is still their broken record mantra. I want them to defend Defense spending and how they were a rubber stamp to anything and everything Bush wanted.

Sebelius' senate polling numbers is why I don't want her in the Obama cabinet - her name is coming up for the HHS post opening.

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Yep, I think that you are right on steele.

Also, I totally agree on sebelius. She would be awesome for the senate, especially from kansas. Much more important to get her in the senate than hhs.

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Sebelius didn't take a post earlier because her husband, a judge, can't leave Kansas on such short notice. That hasn't changed. If she wins that Senate seat in 2010, he'll have time to get a job in DC.

HHS is an awfully stressful, yet thankless, job. Trying to get healthcare through is going to be brutal. There was a 60/40 chance it would happen with Daschle. Now, there's probably a 40/60 chance it will happen. I can't imagine anyone wanting to sign up for such a grueling job with a high possibility of failure.

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I agree that it's going to be tough, but if we split it in two positions, we might be able to ram it through.

Ideally, the best team would be John Podesta for OHR, and Howard Dean for HHS. But neither appear to be likely choices. Hypothetically, we could do Wyden for OHR and Kitzhaber for HHS. I think that would be a good second choice.

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She's got serious insurance industry regulation chops having served as Kansas Insurance Commissioner -- and with distinction, it is generally held. She knows how the sausage gets made and would be an excellent HHS Sec'y, so I think it's too bad in a way that she's not available. But in the Senate she'd be terrific too, I think.

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And? I don't want insurance involved at all. Insurance is nothing more than a "legalized" criminal activity. Screw the insurance companies. They are a total drain on the economy and a rip off.

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I'm beginning to agree with those who see Sebelius in the Senate as a better chess-move than a cabinet position, for so many reasons.

Sebelius could fit most anywhere in our government, she's a versatile leader, but as a Senator, she would help wrest Washington away from Wall Street and restore the balance of power for The People, not the book-cookers.

If 2010 puts the Democrats in the Senate up to a 60+ majority, none of this Mitch McConnell obstructionist mischief could be promulgated by the minority R's, which seems to be done out of bitterness for their recent, and apparently long-term losses. Their hesitation towards passing the middle-class part of the stimulus package, after they so willingly handed Bush/Paulsen/Wall Street billions in bailouts and bonuses, reeks of their patent version of sheer hypocrisy.

Nobody hypocrites like the Republicans in the Senate...

Sebelius has kept Kansas' economy ticking, compared to some places. I know, I raised my family here in Kansas over the past 30 years, my eldest son graduated from college and law school at KU.

During those decades, we lived for five years in California, and these days, it would seem that Kansas' Democratic Governor has done a lot better than California's Republican.

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Just for the sake of reference, and to point out the hypocrisy factor one more time, do you folks all remember "The Nuclear Option?"

Lets do it to THEM! Eliminate filibusters all together, like they threatened to do.

But WE aren't sneaky, cheatin', hypocritical lyin' sacks of cow manure, so WE would never even consider it.

But lets not forget that they were willing to shake the very foundations of our democracy, just to maintain their profane stranglehold on popular government back then.

HYPOCRITES!

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GOP challenged ??? Is that similar to saying someone is mentally challenged meaning to imply they're just plain stupid?

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The Washington Post has a report that questions are now being raised about Steele's campaign finances. The last paragraph:

Over the years, money trouble has been a persistent problem for Steele. His first race for public office, a 1998 bid for the Republican nomination for state comptroller, ended nearly $35,000 in debt, much of it to his sister. He was fined twice by state officials for missing deadlines to file campaign finance reports and was in debt and had faced foreclosure in 2001, the year before he was selected as Ehrlich's running mate. The state party threw Steele a financial lifeline, awarding him an unusual $30,000 consulting contract.

He neded up in debt, was fined by state officials, and faced foreclosure.

This is the person that the Republicans want speaking about the economy?

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At least he's better than mcbush as far as republicans are concerned, right?

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Makes as much sense as Karl Rove's claim that "nobody is talking about a tax cuts only" stimulus bill. Um, Karl, have you talked to any Senate Republicans lately??

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Has he seen a couple bills that were put forth, one specifically last night was 100% tax cuts - the GOP took the $800B and divided it up equally amongst all tax filers. And it got the partisan line vote for it.

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Republicans go on cable and say stuff that has no relationship with reality, and no one questions them.

I'm back in the banging my head against the wall state of mind.

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That's why the next bill that I see had better be a bill to bust up the right-wing corporate media conglomerates. Until these conglomerates are broken up, we will never get accurate information or news for that matter. It really is pathetic.

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I'm not in favor of consolidation, but I see the problem as an addiction to controversy combined with an allergy to skepticism. And a not terribly deep knowledge base to begin with.

Chris Matthews wouldn't have let a remark like that pass. And I say that as someone who isn't much of a fan of Matthews. But he is knowledgeable about politics, and loves politics.

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I actually am not a big matthews fan. I have seen him throw more softballs than hardballs. It totally depends on who he is interviewing. He has almost never pressed delay, who was on all the time. Also, he used to throw incredible softballs to santorum.

I still see as the only way to straighten out the right-wing media is to break it up. Either that or some kind of fact check requirement. They just spew propaganda by and large and it is disgusting.

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not only that, he goes into full bedwetteer mode when he talks about crackpot liberal ideas like habeas corpus "i mean we know these are bad guys, even if we don't have any evidence. we can't just let 'em go, or god forbid try them. USA USA!"

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yes, "bedwetteer" -- cross between a bedwetter and a mousketeer.

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I like the way you use your words.

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I think I'll settle for iron-clad net neutrality protections. There is too much money in the networks to take them head-on, keep the internet cheap and open and gradually the networks will lose their power base.

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I just ranted somewhere about that thing. It is getting sooo bad. They interviewed some republican about the stim bill I think yesterday and all the intervierwer was doing was pushing his rant buttons. Never once did the interviewer ask for proof of what the congressman said nor did the interviewer indicate he had any knowledge himself. That interview took no prep work. Like I said whereever I posted earlier it is like yelling jump at a jumper instead of getting a ladder and trying to help the guy. And when this 'crisis' is over bet me the MSM will go through the same "oh maybe we should have done better reporting on the issue, so sorry, too bad, we'll do better next time." Just like they did with the Iraq war. I'm sick with a horrible cold, I am over medicated, and I am angry. I don't have a tv but that scene of TVs flying out windows and people yelling I not going to take it any more is going through my head. If it wasn't a bose I play my music on my radio would be heading out the window!

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Think like you're GOP challenged ... we have a black leader of our Party and now so do they.

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I think Obama's got more dogs in this hunt than he's letting on or we know about.

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I don't think so. I think there would be more votes and support, however the GOP is going to run solely on the 60-seat bogeyman in 2010, and thus they need to show relevance by voting down party lines and show that they can effect the Administration decisions.

What they'll take from this stimulus is "See what the bill would have looked like if the Dems had 60 senators - it would have been almost $200B bigger", and "The more seats we take away from them the more to to our side they'd have to come if they'd want anything passed. If they need 5-6 GOP votes we could really hold them over a barrel".

Graham and McCain were so incensed with the Collins/Specter deal because they gave in too soon and could have driven a much harder bargain. McCain likes being the front man to these "Gang of X" deals, and the deal was made without him and thus marginalized him in the Senate.

And there is nothing the GOP can do to Specter or Collins. I suspect that they'll threaten to primary challenge Specter, but then they run the risk of losing the seat if they do either take him down replaced by a wingnut or have a hard-hitting primary. Specter will use this vote to help him win re-election in 2010. They can't boot either out of caucus because I'm sure the Dems would welcome them with open arms.

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I actually think the media is a large culprit on the stimulus debacle. They have given tons of air time to whining Republicans that claim it won't work, including McCain, without demanding them to produce what will work. I am also, less than one month later, done with any compromising. Republicans need to learn they are over. Move on. And, what the hell is up with Minnesota?! Seat Franken already. Fairness is fine and dandy, but it has turned into totally unfair to the voters with this ridiculous ongoing horse and pony show of a trial.

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And on that note: Moyers re: the media

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/02062009/watch.html

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thx 4 da lnk!

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What's up in Minnesota? Isn't it obvious? Coleman can't win, poor tool. But his puppet masters have kept Franken from voting on the stimulus bill. This bipartisan, postpartisan b.s. is a sick joke. The Republicans know how to play hardball and they aren't giving an inch however many miles Obama offers them.

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"The Republicans know how to play hardball and they aren't giving an inch however many miles Obama offers them."

Enough, equating "cheating" to "hardball"...

hardball means it's no game for wimps; The Republicans aren't playing hardball, they are hiding behind the dugout with a baseball bat, ready to whack the other team's poitcher in the shins.

That ain't hardball, that is felonious assault!

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Yes, see my rant up thread. I am going to start using foul language at the MSM. Blooming idjets. Are all the reporters that stupid. Look at the two republican front runners for 2012 -Palin has a degree in sports journalism and Joe the Plumber was hired as a journalist for Pj media. If I was a journalist I'd be a little concerned about my profession. Dare I say they are starting to make used car sales men look honorable?

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Regardless of what is and isn't in the bill, I think we have two problems here:

1) We're so used to an inept Bush administration and a GOP congress that followed it blindly that we're having a hard time adjusting to an administration that knows what it's doing and a Dem majority that just doesn't blindly follow whatever Dear Leader puts forward. It makes for messier but better government. And we're also not used to a president who a) doesn't play to win every news cycle and b) plays the long game. So we - and I'm as guilty as anybody - worry when everything doesn't work perfectly in the first 3 weeks of the Obama presidency. Smart money says that Obama has a long-term game plan and he's only in the first two minutes of the first quarter of that plan.

2) The GOP is out of power and their only option is to play the opposition. I think they're wrong for going the obstructionist route, but here's the problem....the GOP folks left in Congress - outside of folks like (not coincidentally) Collins, Snowe, and Specter - are from conservative districts/states. If they don't follow the wingnut gameplan 100% - even if they don't agree with it - they know they'll get a call from Norquist and/or Toomey informing them that their ass is going to be primaried in the next election. The challengers will obviously be crazy people who will ultimately lose the seat to a Dem candidate (except in places Utah and Wyoming), but while there aren't enough of these crazy people to win a GE, they can send a less crazy GOP incumbent home. This makes it difficult to expect the less crazy/moderate Republicans to act normal. The good news for the Dems is that ultimately, this will doom the GOP to minority status for a generation. The bad news is that the country suffers in the meantime because the Dems in Congress are still, inexplicably, afraid of these lunatics, lunatics who were just rejected big time by the voters just 3 months ago. They'll rid themselves of this fear someday, but it may take a year or two. Until then, we have a Congress that acts like the Dems don't have a huge majority in both houses, backed up by a popular Dem president who still have 4-years left on his term.

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I agree with point #2 completely. The 60-seat bogeyman is all the GOP will have in 2010, and thus needed to vote down party lines in order to retain any relevance.

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Reasonable logic, but as usual, the R's have something of a weird "fellowship of losers" gambit going here, and it is leading to their demise.

Remember the Whigs?

Even simpler logic dictates that the more the Republicans obstruct a very popular President, the fewer new votes they will pick up, and the more old votes they will lose. They may get more vociferous and vehement support from their die-hards, but in a Ddemocracy, it isn't the sum total of self-righteous indignation that wins elections, it is the total number of people you convince to support you. So no matter how loud The Lump and the rest of the "Republicans, right or wrong" crowd get, their numbers are dwindling corespondingly with their volume rising.

And they continue to believe they are some sort of mysterious silent majority just because they own the media to raise that volume with. It's the "Marie Antoinette Appreciation Association" at work, assuming the whole world rides in limos and sips champagne for brunch, because that is the only world they know these days.

So when they circle their few remaining wagons in their political wilderness, instead of joining the wagon train heading for the fort nearby, they assure their future will not be as bright.

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I heartily concur with what you've written. Unlike 92, we have an inkling of what we are up against. That doesn't make the challenge less daunting, but at least we are aware that there is a challenge.

And the reason Dems are wimps is because they are beholden to the same monied interests that have taken hold of our media.

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Nice comment.

There's another factor at work as well. The media (print, web, cable and radio) routinely misinform the public about how many votes are needed to "pass" legislation in the Senate. Just this morning, NPR described it as "Dems need 60 votes to pass the legislation". As everyone at this site knows, that's just patently false.

How would people's reactions to the Senate change if the media properly reported that Dems need 60 votes to prevent the Republicans from endlessly delaying the bill?

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Thank you. That has irritated the hell out of me.

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Well, you can't blame the MSM since the Dems are too gutless to face them down and let them fillibuster. Until Harry the wimp calls their bluff, the media is perfectly accurate.

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I wouldn't say the media is perfectly accurate, because it isn't, factual-wise and information-wise.

However, I do agree with the sentiment in your post; the Dems have been a complete failure in framing the debate and selling their idea. They just let the Repugs roll over on them. The MSM is just as it is -- it's just incapable of making make clear and accurate assessments of policy arguments, and any idiot can win there as long as s/he is a vociferous idiot. That's the reality the Dems must deal with, and they didn't come through this time again.

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Obama wrote about the audacity of hope. He better learn the audacity of leadership. That's the Republican game. They are shameless. They go after the farthest right item in their agenda and then compromise if they compromise at all at somewhere right of center. Sheesh, if you cherish compromise as your only value, you better start on the left so you have somewhere to move. Otherwise, you are just a tool working to enact the agenda the Republicans wanted in the first place.

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How can Claire McCaskill be so right about Wall Street and so wrong about the stimulus bill?

http://twitter.com/clairecmc

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You can't be a centrist unless you can talk out of both sides of your mouth.

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wrong orifice.

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ROFLMAO !!!

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Am I the only that realizes BASICALLY that tax cuts are and have always been politically motivated? To REALLY and GENUINELY fix the economy you need to spend. This is not an opinion look at the damn return on investment when it comes to tax cuts and spending. Spending is 5 TIMES MORE stimulative than a tax cut, 5 TIMES.

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I think everyone gets it, but politicians are not reality based. Seriously, our system of government with the two parties is a failure.

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I've got a question. Is TPM going to investigate Michael Steele? This guy looks like he completely lives up to his last name.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/06/AR2009020604151.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

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Check out the last paragraph in that piece. The individual who quite obviously has some real problems in handling campaign finances is now the Republican public face for the economy!!!

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Comment like Steele's ensures that every out of work, or soon to be out of work, person becomes a Democrat.

You can't keep more of what you earn if you have no earnings.

Yes, I've been laid off and I'm basically screwed.

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We lost jobs, we are basically screwed too. I just posted a blog about our mortgage lender nightmare. The banks are making sure to do their part in screwing everyone.


http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/middlechild/2009/02/avoiding-foreclosures-with-com.php

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You're laid off?? Yippee! Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

According to you, Obama was just a socialist, terrorist wanting to hand out welfare checks. Now that you're one of the needy, you're a Democrat. Spare me.

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Typical republican. They are for tax cuts and screw the poor and unemployed, until they become poor and unemployed, then they become dems.

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Comment like Steele's ensures that every out of work, or soon to be out of work, person becomes a Democrat.

You can't keep more of what you earn if you have no earnings.

Yes, I've been laid off and I'm basically screwed.

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I am so sorry. This really is just horrible.

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Republicans have trouble understanding national governance, and a bill like this, because the roots of republicanism and the tenets explicated by Aristotle are based upon small homogeneous political entities. Tax cuts may "enpower" the individual as Steele puts if there is a small group of individuals who have a like minded perspective and hence a common good in mind that they could leverage that money towards. Obviously, because the United States government presides over some 300 million people, it's impossible, and generally absurd to think that this principle could coherently apply at the Federal level. This is also why the rhetoric of patriotism is so strong with Republicans, and subsequently why they have trouble understanding how people may have different conceptions of what that term specifically means. I'm quite confident that they are projecting this ideal onto the national stage and don't comprehend how the difference of scale, and the inherent plurality of interests that comes with it, renders their ideology to be rather impotent.
I think that comments about Obama's strategic outlook are correct. The debate that this has stimulated is something we haven't had, period, for quite some time. I also think that Obama, understanding the nature of how legislature is crafted, was conscious of the fact that an initial imperfect bill could be refined to acceptability through the legislative process. In doing so, he could achieve his goals in a relatively short period, and now set the tone for future bills that he would like to enact. As comments about the campaign revealed, his more than aware that news cycles usually aren't reporting about the reality of the situation, but a self-perpetuating discourse that maintains there legitimacy. People have used the chess analogy, and as a fan of the game I would like to elaborate. When I'm watching grandmasters play, I look at the position, and after a move is made, internally exclaim, why didn't he take the pawn, I don't get it. Then as I delve into the nuisances further, I see that it usually involves many strategic, and tactic, misunderstandings of the position. These knee jerk like reactions are understandable, and Obama's tactics at times may not be to our liking (He's a positional player, we want the tactical flair of Kasparov).
With regards to Steele, the guy seems like an opportunist plain and simple.

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Steele is also aching for a fight with Obama, he wants to be legitimized. I think the more he is ignored, the more radical things he'll say in order to finally draw focus to himself that will elevate him to being a player.

This is a man who couldn't win his own State election now believing he is the leader of the Republican party because he won election of a private club, beating a overt racist by a mere eight vote swing.

delusions of grandeur
noun
a delusion (common in paranoia) that you are much greater and more powerful and influential than you really are

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"The fastest way to help those families is by letting them keep more of the money they earn," says Steele.

Um, unemployed people don't earn money, Mr. Steele. Tax cuts don't create jobs; spending does.

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That is a huge disconnect for republicans for some reason. It just does not compute. If we left it up to the republicans, our economy would be in a death spiral. They would cut taxes until noone earned any money to pay taxes, including the rich, because at the end of the day they would ultimately be f*cked as well. Not only do republicans fantasize about 24, but I think they also fantasize about Mad max as well. Unbelievable.

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Not to mention tax cuts don't build new roads, bridges, levees. America's infrastructure is crumbling and the levees failing in New Orleans and the bridge collapsing in Minnesota is the tip of the iceberg.

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Americas infrastructure has been crumbling since the 70's. It's time to pay the piper and what better time than to get people employed as well.

They can shove their tax cuts where the sun don't shine. Basically, the republican term "tax cuts" is code for welfare for the rich and corporations. They make their money off the sweat of the average american, they should be more than happy to pay more in taxes. They would not be so wealthy but for the rest of us. It really defies logic and invites people getting totally pissed off and taking much more than should be taken. Talk about short sighted.

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist. Big corporation wouldn't be able to ship goods for sale and to make money, but for adequate roads and rail. Mr. Gates would not have made billions but for people working and being able to buy computers to run the software that he originally stole. Also, without roads, sewers, and miscellaneous infrastructure, he would not have made shit. He can shove his mosquitoes where the sun doesn't shine as well. I am totally unimpressed. He should be giving his millions to the poor in this country and helping fix the infrastructure, not grandstanding.

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Also, without roads, sewers, and miscellaneous infrastructure, he would not have made shit.
He would have made shit, it just wouldn't have went anywhere.


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He stole the original program that funded his empire. Originally, why do you think that the code lines for his "original program" had back slashes? Because the program he stole had front slashes. Hello. Nonetheless, you are right about the shit not going anywhere. However, how could his peons get to his complex without roads built by the american taxpayer and how could his bullshit software get to market? That's the point.

I really can't stand his bs either. Now he is trying to act like carnegie? A little guilt there? I just wish that he would shovel his hundreds of billions to help his fellow americans, not to grand stand. It really is pathetic.

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I was just making menion about him "making" a shit without any sewers, and thus wouldn't go anywhere.

It was both a literal and figurative comment.

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Yeah, I know. I just can't stand the criminal. After the original program, by and large all the crap went down hill. Like for example, there is some screwed up adware program on tpm that completely f*cks up my computer constantly for the last two weeks. Shove the f*cking ads up your a**. Get a program that doesn't screw up computers. I have to repeatedly retype stuff.

And gates is some kind of filanthropic genius? F*ck him. He is releasing mosquitoes to make a point? Give me a f*cking break. Shut up and give back the money that you stole from the american people.

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If you use firefox, I use a program called no-script. It block everything. For each page you go to, you will have to allow scripts individually. It takes some getting used to but most advertisements are blocked. There's other similar programs also out there.

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I'm using NoScript too, and I'd add my testimonial and recommendation to yours. It's a fantastic add-on. My Spybot seldom if ever finds anything since I installed NoScript.

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One last point on infrastructure and it would be nice if the right-wing media pointed this out. Our infrastructure and road system was not designed for the mack truck traffic that is tearing it up, as well as the bridges. It was contemplated when the bulk of our infrastructure was built in the 50's that the heavy lifting would be done by the railroads. Our road system cannot handle the beating nationwide. The highway system was built for cars and for the once in a lifetime mass movement of the military, not the daily abuse. Therefore, once again, the corporations and wealthy should be more than happy to contribute their fair share of taxes to fix the problem. They have made billions off the problem.

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It should be obvious to everyone now the motivations of the republicans. It was never about a bill to help stimulate our economy but rather another inning in their game of playing useless, selfish and non-productive political games over wanting America to succeed. It’s all about winning the next election over making our country great again. That’s how it’s always been. The Democrats as usual caved in and added way more tax cuts then were necessary just to placate these hopeless and callous republicans who will vote no anyway. Boehner as usual is wrong. 90% of this bill isn’t bad just 90% of the republicans in Congress. So now what’s added is even more of the same poison that killed our economy. Why include any of these evil republicans in the process. Their agenda is not the same as the American people. Funny I don’t republicans ever reciprocating in the decision making process when they controlled things

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Tax cuts never created any jobs.

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Tax cuts never created any jobs.

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That is worth repeating again!

Tax cuts do not create any jobs.

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these same asshole republicans would have opposed the new deal.

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The Washington Post has excellent graphics depicting the stimulus, breaking down what's in the two bills, when they'd be paid out, etc.:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/02/01/GR2009020100154.html

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Great link. Nice to see a domestic vision arising.

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Lets see how long it takes the cable news people (MSNBC will be first?) to actually describe the stimulus package to the public.

Obama's having a tough time getting the media to put his Presidential message out, they were glad to do it for the political season and those million dollar ad accounts, but now that the public is depending on it's vaunted 4th estate to convey the plan, they have taken an information hiatus.

Nothing but trash talk and vague allusions to mysterious moneys gone missing. But no sincere attempt to give Obama access to the public to present his case.

We need People's TV or something like it to go with Air America on radio.

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I wonder where republicans think the defense budget comes from? Tell them that if we cut taxes, we also have to dismantle the military. Also tell them that they can no longer drive on the roads to get to work, or use public transportation. On the flip side, maybe democrats should tell republicans that the stimulus will be spent on funding another war. That would probably be okay.

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"Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good."
Voltaire

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President Obama and his economic team, and even the entire political class in this country, are suffering from collective myopic vision in viewing and tackling the current economic downturn. 2009 is not 1932 but they are trying to apply 1930's prescription to tackle the 2009 problems when the country had undergone a sea-change in its economic activities during the intervening seven decades. During the earlier era, almost everything this country's population needed - even articles like bedspreads, towels, pillowcases, children's clothes and toys etc. were manufactured within the country. Today nearly 90 per cent of the items sold in WalMart and Target stores come from China and elsewhere. Add to them all the consumer electronics, home furniture, etc. Any money which will be put in the hands of the general population by way of tax cuts and rebates will straightaway go into purchase of goods manufactured in other countries and will, possibly, ameliorate the economic situation in China, Mexico and other countries and certainly not here. The manufacturing jobs that had gone overseas are gone for good; they will never come back, let us have no illusions about it. No amount of exhortations, like King Canute stopping the tide, will bring them back. This country, at the prevailing per hour labor costs, cannot afford to manufacture most of the everyday items and even other more expensive durable goods within the country any more. This applies also equally to the services sector like software development and maintenance. As for the stimulus which is sought to be induced by building/renovating highways and by spending billions on creating other infrastructure, they may all be completed within 2-3 years from the date they are started. After that, what next? What will happen to the jobs which are now created in such shot-gun scatter-shot fashion? Are we going to tear down the roads and buildings already built and re-build them again? Or, are we going to begin building bridges to nowhere?

There should be a completely revolutionary change in the mindset of the "experts" who are now entrusted with the task of lifting the country out of the economic morass into which it has fallen. Otherwise, the trillion+ dollars of the stimulus plan will inevitably go down the drain.

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For those who haven't seen it, here's Obama's video that they put out SATURDAY...

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/recoveryvid

Looked for it on Friday but it arrived on Saturday...

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Part of it is understanding the Republicans' goal. Their primary interest is in funneling money to their rich friends. If anyone else benefits, that is just icing on the cake. But they are indifferent to the plight of the bottom 99% of the population.

Their economic plan consists of giving trillions of dollars to the banksters, who then pay themselves multi-million dollar bonuses, which ideally are not taxed.

Of course the Republican tax plans have worked in ways they never intended. People who are unemployed, whose retirement and other investments have crashed also pay fewer taxes. One way of reducing taxes is to reduce employement and wages!

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