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Obama's Day Ahead: Introducing The Commerce Secretary
President Obama and Vice President Biden will be speaking at 11 a.m. ET to introduce the newest nominee for Secretary of Commerce, widely expected to be former Washington state Governor Gary Locke. At 12:30 p.m. ET, Obama and Biden will hold a closed meeting with the Democratic leadership in Congress. At 3 p.m. ET, Obama and Tim Geithner will meet with the chairmen and ranking members of the Senate Banking and House Financial Services committees.

Stevie Wonder Performing For Obamas At The White House
President Obama and the First Lady will be hosting Stevie Wonder at the White House tonight, as he performs for them and accepts the Library of Congress' Gershwin Prize. The event begins at 7:25 p.m. ET.

Biden Holding Economic Recovery Meeting
Vice President Biden is holding the first meeting today for the Recovery Plan Implementation, scheduled for 9:45 a.m. ET. Meeting participants include Accountability Board Chair Earl Devaney, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, OMB Director Peter Orszag, and others.

Obama Set To Announce Iraq Withdrawal Plan Soon
President Obama is expected to announce some time soon his plan to withdraw combat troops from Iraq by August 2010, with a residual force of between 30,000 and 50,000 U.S. troops to train and advice the Iraqi Security forces -- and a complete withdrawal would follow by December 2011. No official date has been set for the announcement, but a White House official told the Associated Press that it might come up during a trip to North Carolina this Friday.

Specter: "I'm Going To Have A Primary"
Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA) told CQ that he knows he'll likely face a stiff primary challenge in 2010, thanks to his support for the stimulus bill. Specter told the paper that an unnamed Republican colleague approached him in the party cloakroom to say how proud he was of Specter for taking a risk to help pass the bill. So Specter asked if his colleague would vote for it. "No, I might have a primary," the unnamed GOPer said, to which Specter replied: "You know very well that I'm going to have a primary."

Roll Call: Even Ex-Congressmen Can Still Get Earmarks
Roll Call reports that Congress is poised to vote for an omnibus budget bill carrying over from last year, which not only includes earmarks but has earmarks from people who are are no longer in Congress. A standout is former Rep. David Hobson (R-OH), who will have successfully brought home $3.8 million for a supercomputing platform and $2.8 million total for two colleges in his district.

The Hill: Obama's Speech Just Getting K Street Started
The Hill predicts that Obama's speech from last night will be a "starter pistol" for lobbyists, who will seek to shape the agenda on issues like energy, healthcare, education and financial services. For example, the American Petroleum Institute and its opposite number the Environmental Defense Fund were right out the gate with statements commenting on the convent of the speech.


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The Jindal Response: A Plan for the Next 'Katrina'
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=6354

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Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Welcome aboard Flight 2009 brought to you by Fat Cat Airlines associated with Wall Street Executive Air. We're in for a bumpy ride---- http://www.governmentalityblog.com/my_weblog/2009/02/fat-cat-airlines-still-bringing-laughs-tears.html

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Biden should get John McCain in the meeting with him to provide tech support...
http://wbztv.com/video/?id=73411@wbz.dayport.com

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Good morning, fellow travellers.

I will tell you that last night, before watching Governor Bobby Jindal's response, I was convinced that of all the challengers to Obama in 2012, he was the man.

Bizarre exorcism aside for the moment, there was no question in my mind that Jindal had the resume, the youth, the freshness, etc. to potentially rival Obama by leading the Republican Party back from the wilderness with a New-Labor type message refitted in GOP republican cloth.

This was going to be a new GOP in 2012. I was convinced that the Republicans would recognize that the culture wars of the 1960s were over, that the theory that you can tax-cut your way to prosperity was a decidedly proven bankrupt platform, and that sanity would (kicking and screaming) eek its way back into the GOP ranks, led by its brash, charismatic, outside-Washington leader, Bobby Jindal.

This morning I woke up, showered, made a healthy breakfast of bagels, fruit, and scrambled eggs for my children, called my wife into the kitchen, and asked her to pick up the still-hot skillet and hit me repeatedly in the face with it.

Because I was wrong, wrong, wrong.

I implore you to read Team of Rivals, not because it is a good map of what Obama is trying to do with his cabinet and leadership, but because it accessibly details why the Whig Party dwindled in relevance, and finally into non-existence, due to its inability to cohesively recognize basic facts, resulting in its splintering and demise.

That, my friends, is where the GOP credibly could go. To an extent. Although I am sure that the Republican Party will not vanish in my lifetime, there is a very good chance, it seems, that it could go down the path to becoming a regional party relegated largely to the deep South (Virginia is well on its way out of the red wilderness, and North Cackalacky shows signs of hope) and to a handful of States in the West (and Alaska).

I know full well I am not telling you anything that's not obvious. But after watching NBC Page Bobby Jindal (kudos to Josh for immediately making that connection) on that teevee, it's become, I think, a little more obvious.

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Lars, may I be the first to congratulate you on a splendid comment? That should be a post in itself!

Pretty please.... :-)

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Then again, maybe the Democratic Party has become the Republican Party.

We'll see what happens on the healthcare and entitlement fronts. We'll see if there is any commitment to social justice left in the Democratic Party. I'm not convinced that a guy who tells me he's going to increase the military, expand a land war in Asia, balance the budget, not increase taxes on 95% of Americans and "reform" entitlements is any better than Richard Nixon.

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So what else is new?

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Richard Nixon was a hell of a lot better on domestic policy than Reagan and the Bushes. It's amazing to contemplate how much further left the Overton Window was back then.

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I read recently that his healthcare proposal would have been better than anything we're likely to see coming from the Democrats.

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Only a clown sorely invested in grievance and victimhood could make such a ridiculous claim.

You really should get a new schtick. The "Obama and the Democrats can't be trusted because they're just a bunch of traitors to progressive who are waiting to undermine social justice and enact right wing policies" lacks credibility.

If you ever are introspective enough to wonder why you're not taken seriously, re-read your post.

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I'm not a progressive. I'm a liberal. At least I still know the difference. As the safety net shrinks, you may figure out the difference too.

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You're not a liberal. You're an ideologue in search of a reason to be angry.

How does it feel to be the most negative person on earth?

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And, while I will say (and have said in another comment thread) that I had much more positive feelings than bluebell did about Obama's speech, you're a totally unprincipled centrist-Dem hack troll. At least bluebell HAS principles.

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Sorry, loser Steve. I'm a proud liberal. I just not a dumbass like you and bluebell. I don't believe I must bitch about everything Obama does to prove how liberal I am.

You and bluebell are the mirror image of the Limbaughs and Hannitys. You think the Dems should focus on the 20% of the country who identify as liberals and fuck the rest. You would rather self-destruct than give an inch. If you can't have what you consider to be the purest of the pure, you'd rather have nothing. And that's what you'd get.

I have no patience for dinosaurs like you who are too stupid to realize that Obama's presidency is a liberal's wet dream! Healthcare. Energy policy. Ending torture. Closing gitmo. Pay equity.

You care more about the means than the ends. You think that if Obama is not foaming at the mouth and demonizing republicans, then he's betraying the left. Never mind that pushing the most progressive agenda since LBJ.

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The only "end" you ahae a clue about is the one you sit on. You've never articulated any principle but "bash anybody to my left". And that's not exactly a LIBERAL stance, so spare me the cant about your nonexistent liberal credentials.

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You are a loser, an ingrate and a whiner.

You're like a guy who has been starving on an island for a year. You're rescued and given a lavish meal with all your favorites and you start bashing the chef for using canola oil instead of olive oil.

Folks like you and Bluebell want Obama to fail because if he succeeded in getting the things you say you care about, you would have nothing to bitch about. And for turds like you, bitching is Job 1.

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I'm a cynic. You are a fool. You believe he's going to cut your taxes, he's going to balance the budget, he's going to fight two wars, he's going to increase the size of the military, he's going to invest meaningful money in energy, and he's going to do health care and not cut social security and medicare. If you aren't a fool you must have no opinion on which of those promises he's going to break.

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You're not a cynic. You're a retard. Show me where I said I believe Obama will achieve everything he's promised. I didn't. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he has earned. In 35 days, he's kept more of his campaign promises than any president in recent memory.

Assholes like you and labonne never shut the fuck up with your bitching!! You NEVER have one positive thing to say EVER!

For a whole goddamn year, you griped about torture and Gitmo. But you've been silent about the actions Obama has taken on those things.

Even a cynic would occasionally knowledge when something goes right. But not you. You come here with your constant whining "he's going to disappoint us."

If you're so sure we're screwed, why don't you just swallow a bottle of pills and end it all? Why the fuck are you still breathing since you know there's nothing ahead of you but grief and disappointment?

You're a walking, posting whining cloud of negativity and doom.

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You just want to feel good and it's a lot easier to feel good if you are a true believer and ignore facts (Is GITMO closed? No. Are other secret prisons? No.) I don't give a fig about spin. It's nice for the campaign. It may pump up a little confidence and get a few more people shopping but is not the same as delivering.

It's all over the news that he's caving on Iraq. The combat troops won't all be leaving even in 19 months. So the war continues in Iraq. The MSM can't much afford to cover it and you true believers won't want to hear any more about it, but it continues and it expands in Afghanistan.

Krugmann wrote a column on Destructive Centrism awhile back and that's you all over. You want the easy expedient way and the easy expedient way is what has us in the mess we are in now. No one is ever held accountable for anything in government and out of it and look where we are.

If you want something positive from me, I'll give you that Captain Sully who actually delivered on the job and when he was called before Congress he didn't just put on a happy face he told them what corporate America had done to his pension and his future retirement and about the lives that are put at risk because of what's happened to his industry. Put him on my ballot. I'll vote for him.

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I hear that arsenic is on sale. Take a big gulp. Your life is over. Nothing will ever be right. You're a zombie. Lay down and die already!

LOL!

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Doesn't seem as farfetched now as is it did last October. The splintering and inability to cohesively recognize and deal with fact was the Whigs' path to extinction. Regionalization was how the Federalists did it. The GOP's got both going.

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Yep, the current situation is totally analgous to the demise of the whig party. Another convert, I've been saying this for months.

We are witnessing history. The demise of the republican party as we know it. One of the spinoffs of the whigs was the know nothing party, which maddow alluded to last night. Jindal, steele and palin would be the poster childs of the know nothing party of the 21st century. Amazing.

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"Yep, the current situation is totally analgous to the demise of the whig party."
True, except it's the Democrats following the Whig mold. Instead of the pro and anti slavery split that led to the demise of the Whigs, the Democrats are fractured along pro and anti capitalism. If Obama abandons the pro capitalist wing, they move to Republicans, if he abandons the anti caps they move to the Green party...

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Yeah, keep dreamin', loser. Jindal and Palin will lead you back to the promised land. "Trickle Down 4 Eva!"

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Oh, please. You need a history lesson?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)

The dems haven't gotten slaughtered two elections in a row and aren't leaderless, like the republicans and the whigs. The dems have an agenda, plans and a way forward, the republicans have nothing. The jindal speech was pathetic. What's the republican game plan? They have none. Finally, the moderate republicans are leaving in droves and becoming either dems or independents. The wedge issue in the republican party is anti-abortion, like slavery was the wedge issue in the whig party.

The spin-off party from the republican super minority when the party splits will be a 21st Century know nothing party and rambo, jindal and steele will be the leaders of that party. History is repeating itself. Amazing.

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The Whigs weren't out of power before they split, the anti slavery faction blocked the renomination of a sitting President...

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Huh? Read the link. They got slaughtered 3 elections in a row. 1852, 1854, and 1856. They were done after 1856. They had no leadership and it was a leadership driven party. Do you read?

2010 will be a telling election concerning republicans. They get slaughtered again and it will be all over if they keep going on their same trajectory. A big problem for republicans is no leadership. Who is the great leader that they have now? Who? They have none and have no modern platform. They are history.

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In 1852 Millard Fillmore was the sitting President, the anti-slavery faction of the party blocked his nomination as the party's candidate at the 52 convention, Scott then got creamed and the party crumbled (which is what I said above).

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They did not split up before they were out of power, that's what you said. Also, filmore would have gotten creamed and that's why they put up scott. The split did not occur until 1856. Are you starting to organize the know nothing party?

Again, read the link.

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Dude...did the anti slavery faction of the Whig party block the nomination of a sitting President?
(Hint: You link says yes)
By the way...what's that cracking sound?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19303.html
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090225/NEWS02/902250416

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Yes, so what. Did you read my posts? The party did not split up in 1852, it was 1856 and it was over the slavery issue. The problem in 1852 was the compromise of 1850. They were going to get slaughtered so they put up a war hero, scott, and he got slaughtered. The party was still together in 1852.

Ok, so assume that you are correct, which I don't believe that you are. Uh, who was the party in power in 06. Hmmmm, uh the republican/21st century whig party? Oh, yeah that's right. And who did the republican party put up in 08, ummmm, a war hero . . . and, he got slaughtered.

Amazing how history repeats itself.

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Sergeant,

First, a minor hat tip to being a Republican/Conservative who comes here and is at least somewhat prepared for discussion, unlike your counterparts at RedState and the lunatics at NoQuarter. So you are to be commended for that.

I think your view that the Democratic Party is more like the Whigs than the Republicans is wishful thinking.

In the 1990s, conservative ideals were on the rise, but the 1990s playbook of smaller government, greater tax cuts doesn't help the GOP now, in a time of massive contraction of the economy. The political games of the 1990s were tolerable because people were not looking in the face of massive economic decline. Even during the recession of the 1990s, those who lost their jobs could at least take solace that they had a home to go to after getting the pink slip. Not now. There is real, palpable concern, and given the choice between (1) same-old same-old slogans from the 1990s and 2000s about tax cuts and (2) practical, pragmatic government that addresses the mounting problems and does so regardless of--or at least without adherence to--ideology (what old guys like me used to call "good government"), Americans resoundingly chose.

One would think the unprecedented losses by the GOP in the 2006 mid-terms and the further congressional losses in 2010 would shake some Republicans to the core and make them rethink.

What has happened, however, or at least what I think we are seeing, is a party that retracts, rather than becomes more inclusive, in the face of losses. Rather than say, hey, let's rethink our position on even more mundane matters like fiscal policy, and maybe loosening the ideological belt around the party's waist, the GOP looks like it is headed in the other direction.

We do not need to look as far back as the Whigs on this matter. The Domocratic Party faced a real crisis of continuance over the matter of civil rights. And but for cooler heads that said, no, we will not be held captive by the Strom Thurmonds of this world, they marched in the direction of the country on a critical issue, and abandoned the more extreme elements of what had traditionally been the Democratic base.

Just the opposite with the GOP. Go on over to some of the conservative sites I have mentioned. Many are apologizing for Jindal. But many, many more are saying, Thank God! This now clears the way for Sarah Palin! Besides, we always knew that Jindal was just a Party pick because he is brown!

The stand on the stimulus package was retrenchment, and anyone who didn't toe the line is now being openly considered as primary targets (Specter will undoubtedly get a run at him from the Club for Growth crowd; Collins and Snowe probably not--the, unlike Arlen, are in Blue New England, and they did what they did despite their party). On the issue of immigration we see a lot of Know-Nothingism in the GOP's position (recalling that the Know-Nothings were staunchly anti-immigration and comically anti-Catholic). Retrenchment on social issues like gay marriage and, of course, abortion.

This is a party whose conservative elements are calling not for a widening of policy considerations, but a retrenchment of conservative positions--across the board. Moderates be damned, and if you dare steer afield of the congressional conservative messaging group (led by Jack Kingston), you can kiss your Republican congressional cash support goodbye.

The Republicans will no doubt continue to enjoy strong--indeed, overwhelming--support in places like the deep South and Appalachia and the like. But that isn't the key to electoral majorities in Congress, or in a run for the White House.

Obama has four years to reframe the debate. The position on stimulus helped. Last night helped. He has the nation behind him. He is all about good government, and good government will beat ideological purity and theory in an election nine times out of ten in this country. Bank on it.

If Obama can keep being the good government president, and keep Congress in line, then the Republicans face relegation to small pockets. And as the whigs and Dixiecrats showed us, that could lead to party extinction. Extinction? Probably not. But exile? For the next 20 years, it's growing more likely. And we are a month in.


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What the Republicans need to do to win the stimulus argument (and I've said it before) is not fight against spending in this sittuation, but point out where the wasted spending is. Obama said he'd go through this stuff "line by line" and eliminate the waste. We need to point out every wasted dollar spent could have stayed in your pocket, for you to decide what the spending priority should be.

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No, they cannot make the argument. The argument you posit is: Look at all this wasteful spending in the stimulus! It's not designed to stuimulate! Things like mices on bicycles, and government money to the arts! And such and such!

Because that kind of thing is an extraordinarily small percentage of the stimulus. Which means if they are picking on those line items, they are tacitly saying, "But the other stuff's okay."

Nope, they cannot do that. It's not ideologially consistent with their raison frakin d'etre of getting a government so small you can drown it in a tub. For them it has to be that the entire stimulus is bad (except maybe spending on roads and bridges and tax cuts).

But we had that debate. That was their argument. And they lost big time.

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This post is Exhibit A of why the repubs are flailing. CLUE: When people are hurting and in desperate need of real solutions, they won't be distracted by silliness like "there's $50 million for rat research."

Particularly when those claims are coming from the party that (a) turned a record surplus into a record deficit with NOTHING to show for it and (b) is offering no solutions.

In the 2004 debates, Bush had one of the most effective lines against Kerry. Kerry was saying everything Bush was doing wrong and Bush said "leadership is not just a litany of complaints." That line sent a dagger through my heart because it resonated.

The republicans need to understand that a litany of complaints and nitpicky gotchas does not constitute loyal opposition.

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Lars, I agree with almost everything you said except your comment about NoQuarter. Most of the people there are (ex) Democrats who are still fighting the primary battle.

It's probably 40-50 people who can't let it go. They are still saying "Obama rigged the caucuses" "Dean cheated for Obama" "Florida and Michigan should have counted" and "Obama's was born in Kenya."

The vast majority of these people want everything Obama is offering -- ending the Iraq war, healthcare, stem cell research, energy policy-- unless it comes from Obama. Their reason for living is to find something Obama did wrong and pray for his downfall. If the country fails, too that's fine with them as long as Obama goes down.

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Agreed. Perfect summary.

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As long as the current assembly of repugs in both houses refuse to listen and slowly boil in their own stew of discontent, the chances of them waking up and realizing their folly is remote. If 2010 is a repeat of 2006 and 2008, then 2012 will be that bridge too far to make a comeback.

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Who Says the 'Jindal Response' Didn't 'Get Smart'
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=6356

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With Jindal being compared to Kenneth from 30 Rock, and Palin known as "Caribou Barbi", we could actually see a Ken/Barbi 2012 ticket. Although I think the dolls are more substantive and well spoken than the other two are--even when being operated by 5 year olds.

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Specter asked if his colleague would vote for [the stimulus bill]. "No, I might have a primary," the unnamed GOOPer said...

Profiles in Courage

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The British saw Benedict Arnold's offer to give up the defense of West Point plans as a profile in courage too...

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No they did not. Gotta link?

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