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Banking Industry's Man in Washington: Let's Define 'Nationalization'

The stock market's rocky ride today, stoked by senior Democratic senators appearing to foreshadow bank nationalization, prompted White House spokesman Robert Gibbs to re-assert the government's lack of interest in financial takeovers.

"This administration continues to strongly believe that a privately held banking system is the correct way to go," Gibbs told reporters today.

The market proceeded to rebound slightly before closing lower, with the Dow 100 points down. Was Wall Street indicating skepticism about Gibbs' intentions? Not to Scott Talbott, chief lobbyist for the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents the market's biggest players in Washington.

Talbott is strongly opposed to and unconcerned about nationalization -- but he pointed out that the term remains undefined in the public discourse. "There are two ways to do this," he told me.

One option is the type of short-term federal takeover that occurred at IndyMac. Talbott distinguished that type of government role in the "orderly dissolution of a failed institution" from the feds "owning a controlling interest in the institution" -- the sort of nationalization that spooks Wall Street.

When I asked if major banks could support setting broad guidelines on when and how government should step in to aid banks, Talbott demurred. "The challenge is to balance the public's interest [in] knowing where their tax dollars are going and the risk of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy," he said. "If the hypothetical standard is that all institutions with a capital ratio below X will be taken over by the government, you've doomed those institutions.

Talbott's emphasis on "protecting" data on failing banks to avoid a run on them is often cited by critics of nationalization to defend the ad hoc bank-mending policy that the Bush Treasury Department used during the early days of the bailout. (Any similarity between "protecting" bank info and the "private" timetable for Iraq withdrawal once backed by Mitt Romney, which would supposedly avoid a spike in terrorist activity, is purely coincidental.)

Tim Geithner's Treasury team is expected to provide more details next week on its banking rescue strategies, including the much-discussed "stress tests" to determine bank solvency. Talbott said the "stress tests" are likely to be modeled on CAMELs ratings, the private regulatory assessments of bank health that examine five factors: Capital adequacy, Asset quality, Management, Earnings, and Liquidity.


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The market is reacting to 2 things:

1. Fear of nationalization of insolvent banks mainly Bank of America, Citicorp, etc.

2. Uncertainty on what the Geithner/Summers plan is for the banking industry. No one knows what they are going to do.

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Why would the market fear nationalization of an insolvent bank?

Isn't it more likely that any "fear" is a matter of a recognition of reality, that the banks are weaker than they've been letting on?

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(Any similarity between "protecting" bank info and the "private" timetable for Iraq withdrawal once backed by Mitt Romney, which would supposedly avoid a spike in terrorist activity, is purely coincidental.)

Classic.

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The banking industry's man in Washington is Chuck Schumer.

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True. However, did you see this? I almost fell out of my chair when I read it. Schumer is on board with "nationalization." I couldn't believe it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/20/schumer-failed-zombie-ban_n_168625.html

Nonetheless, what we are talking about concerning banks really isn't nationalization in the true sense of the word. Kind of like the "socialized medicine" bs concerning healthcare reform. They are both scare words used to freak people out. Incidentally, the fdic does to banks all the time what is being contemplated, so if it is "nationalization" then we have been "nationalizing" banks for decades.

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Intervention.

Schumer might be on board for two conflicting reasons: He's not in the pocket of the banks as much as common blather would have it; and, the banks know they're screwed and are looking for a smooth transition, one in which they can maintain some degree of control over their individual fates.

There are hundreds or thousands of banks not at serious risk, btw.

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eds says:

Schumer might be on board for two conflicting reasons: He's not in the pocket of the banks as much as common blather would have it;....

eds, note this about Schumer:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/12/12/business/20081214-schumer-table.html

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"Charles E. Schumer has been a champion of consumers, when it comes to consumer banking and mortgage issues. But he also has been a Wall Street ally"

I don't get the point of your comment, sorry. Are you trying to agree with or challenge what I wrote?

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eds,

You claimed Schumer isn't in the pocket of the banks as much as common blather would have it..

that's what I disagree with and why I posted the column from the NYT.

Schumer may very well be a champion of consumerism
but that doesn't preclude him from also being in the bag for the bankers on Wall Street.

Read the link I posted, look at what Schumer did, and note too the quotes from Schumer.

As that link I offered shows, Schumer fought against all the things that might have kept this economic tsunami from happening, or at least have ameliorated the results. And if you look at the things he fought for you can see they facilitated the problem we're now in.

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So your argument is that the banks like nationalization and so are having Schumer talk it up?

No way to banks want to be nationalized. If you want a clue as to what they want, see my recent blog at http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/eds/2009/02/marshall-almost-gets-nationali.php

It could be that banks want to talk up nationalization in a bait and switch kind of way. In any event, I proposed two hypotheses. Any finite amount of data as to Schumer's past associations with banks doesn't refute the point that he might not be as much their patsy as some would have it.

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Michael,

yes, I saw Schumer and Dodd both hinting at backing "nationalization." Dodd, as a Wall Street bag man, is almost as bad as Schumer.
These guys belong to the neoDemocrats who joined the Republicans in bed with the money changers.
To use a football metaphor, I see these neoDems
as pulling guards who will run interference for the Gordon Geckos making sure Gecko doesn't get harmed too much.

Of course this alliance between the money changers, the Republican party, and the NeoDemocrats may have damaged this country so much
that the game must be changed or even they go down with us.

I want to see the finished product analyzed if certain large banks do get "nationalized".

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This site goes into more detail on which banks may be nationalized--why it may be a yes on Citigroup, a qualified yes on Bank of America (may be handled in parts) and probably no on Wells Fargo (Buffett's 290 million shares?). This gets into details in a way I've not seen elsewhere:

http://247wallst.com/2009/02/21/what-nationalization-of-banks-really-means-c-bac-wfc-jpm-brk-a-aig-fnm-fre/

Anybody know any other good sites?

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Schumer might be on board for two conflicting reasons: He's not in the pocket of the banks as much as common blather would have it; and, the banks know they're screwed and are looking for a smooth transition, one in which they can maintain some degree of control over their individual fates.

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Talbott's emphasis on "protecting" data on failing banks to avoid a run on them is often cited by critics of nationalization to defend the ad hoc bank-mending policy that the Bush Treasury Department used during the early days of the bailout. (Any similarity between "protecting" bank info and the "private" timetable for Iraq withdrawal once backed by Mitt Romney, which would supposedly avoid a spike in terrorist activity, is purely coincidental.)james

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