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DNC Spokesman: Bachmann's Rants Discredit Her More Than I Could
I asked DNC spokesman Hari Sevugan for a response to Rep. Michele Bachmann's (R-MN) call for an "orderly revolution" to save freedom from President Obama's Marxism. And here's what he said to me: "I think I'll pass. Michele Bachmann's rants serve to discredit her more than anything I could say."
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Of course Ms Bachmann and her party are anti-government now - they are out of power.
They are reverting to the black helicopter, UN-is-occupying-the-USA nonsense of the 1990s.
The same loons will be buying crossbows, stockpiling water and hunkering down in the woods as last time.
A couple of years ago they said : Kneel and Yield to the All-Powerful Commander-In-Chief. Remember that ?
March 27, 2009 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Send her to Gitmo.
March 27, 2009 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is she advocating terrorism?
March 27, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
terrorism = orderly revolution?
I guess McCarthyism was a kind of counter-revolutionary terrorism. She's making a strong (read "overstated") call for what she professes is Constitutional sanity.
TPM link to excerpts and video: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/bachmann-blasts-obamas-economic-marxism-calls-for-revolution-to-save-freedom.php
March 27, 2009 1:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes.
with plausible deniability that keeps getting less plausible.
March 27, 2009 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's certainly correct in one sense: to any rational thoughtful and patriotic American, her rants make her seem, well, as others have pointed out, batshit crazy.
However, I don't find them funny any longer. Bachmann, Beck, Hannity, et al are trying to fan the anger that's out there, and they're being deeply irresponsible. I don't want to see people hurt by their bullshit antics. It's not funny.
March 27, 2009 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen. Honestly, I never found it funny.
March 27, 2009 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're taunting the FBI and the Secret Service to put them on a watch list. If that happens, then they'll claim that that supports their paranoid fantasy of a repressive govt trying to harass them. Of course, if any liberal every tried this, these same people would be calling for summary execution for him/her. That's who and what they are: scummier than scum.
March 27, 2009 1:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's insulting to scum. : )
March 27, 2009 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
They're already on a 'watch list' but only very ignorant people take anything they say seriously. These people breed anger, hate and ignorance and one day it will backfire on them. I hold them directly responsible for the death by assassination of the head of the dem party in Arkansas in '08 by a man who listened to them daily and had all their books and thought he was being patriotic...a real American. Leaving the man's children wondering why Hannity etc are still on the air waves.
This is why Bachmann should be thoroughly rebuked and censored by fellow congress members. She's too stupid to see the effect she is cultivating.
The DNC doesn't know what to say to batshit crazy.
March 27, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
hear, hear.
These people are playing with fire.
March 27, 2009 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
She and "Secessionist Chuck" Norris are terrorists who hate America. Thank God for Bush's precedent of warrantless wiretapping and illegal surveillance; we can now listen in on eveything they say, since they are a threat to our peace and safety.
March 27, 2009 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't want to see people hurt either, and by "people" I mean Barack Obama.
Maybe I'm getting paranoid myself, but it seems like the core of the Right wing movement, and their media (Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, et al) have decided their best political strategy right now is to stoke the furnace of batshit paranoia. In a country with a long storied history of political violence, and particularly assassination, that's, well, a bit worrisome.
March 27, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Anger? At who???? Themselves??? Their party was in charge for 8 yrs, so the anger must be at this fiasco they created. Or maybe they are angry that they lost? It was the GOP who catered to the wealthy and deregulated everything. So, that must be where that anger is they are channeling: at themselves
March 29, 2009 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
MN has recall, however it is pretty strict on when it can be applied -
I'm just wondering if her looney rants fall under the heading of malfeasance?
March 27, 2009 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if that rule applies to members of Congress - there are numerous mentions of state officials, but Rep. Bachmann is not a state official - she's a federal employee.
March 27, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Never happen. The loons that inhabit the 6th seem more than happy to keep Bachmann on the dole. She's just proving the point that the Repub party is down to its most base members in its most base districts.
March 27, 2009 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's weak. She is dangerous and the DNC and Obama can continue to allow this to continue.
She is so empty-headed that she believes the crap spewing from Beck, Hannity, Dobbs & Limbaugh is actually TRUE.
Here is Yglesias on her attempt to stop a ficticious Global Currency, made up by Drudge, Hannity and Dobbs:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/03/bachmann_introducing_bill_to_ban_use_of_made_up_global_currency.php
March 27, 2009 1:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, China is looking at pushing for the IMF to take over with SDRs as the reserve 'currency' so her fear is not without rational foundation even if she has a few screws loose.
March 27, 2009 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
BIG difference, EDS, between a "global currency" and the reserve currency. It has NO bearing an what currency the US uses and she CANNOT legislate what other countries peg to. Read the included link & story for better background, pls.
March 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
“Yesterday, during a Financial Services Committee hearing, I asked Secretary Geithner if he would denounce efforts to move towards a global currency and he answered unequivocally that he would," said Bachmann. "And President Obama gave the nation the same assurances. But just a day later, Secretary Geithner has left the option on the table. I want to know which it is. The American people deserve to know."
Geithner is giving her mixed messages. Whether this is due to her loose screws alone, or in combo with Geithner giving mixed messages to everyone, I don't know. I am quite sure the Geithner is not a great communicator.
March 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough, I will grant you that
March 27, 2009 9:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
As an aside, there is also some blather on line about a North American currency, the Amero. It's possible that this has leaked into her thinking too, it's not just about the IMF and SDRs.
March 28, 2009 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
The DNC spokesperson needs to forcefully denounce Bachmann's inflammatory statements immediately, and other Democratic leaders need to follow suit.
They need to continue to spotlight the escalating insanity of demagogic Republican appeals to the ignorance of America's right-wing, with its long and recent history of violent and eliminationist patterns of behavior.
If these neo-fascists get to have their say without contradiction, even if it is only directed at their own lunatic base (not an inconsiderable number of people), their insanity will quickly work its way into the mainstream of "thought", and it will be portrayed as legitimate by mainstream news outlets that still are megaphones for any right-wing slop that oozes into their inboxes.
You have to stomp out the right-wing vitriol now, keep it stomped, and be prepared to stomp further. Difficult economic times are the exact time that idiocy can take hold, and once there the moronic thinking that will soon be passing for serious Republican talking points will be difficult to eradicate.
March 27, 2009 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here! Here! Completely Agree that the Dems should meet this vileness strongly and very publicly. Then they should let it go, because frankly, they have other more pressing things to do, like get the country back on track.
March 27, 2009 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
AMEN.
March 27, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
If
ridicule = stomp
then
Agree.
March 27, 2009 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Howard Dean's Democratic wing of the Democratic Party is no longer in charge of the DNC, and it shows.
The DLC is now running the DNC, under former Virginia Governor Tim Kaine, who is straight out of the DLC. It's Kaine's and the DLC's accommodationist and capitulationist "Republican Lite" strategies that are being newly assimilated by the DNC.
The DNC must operate as an activist organization in order to counter the constantly aggressive Republican permanent campaign attack mode. If the DNC takes the Republican phalanx of ignorant propaganda and slander lying down, then the Democratic Party will soon be on its back again, and next time it may not get another chance to rise again, especially if the right-wing extremists continue to spread their political bile unchecked throughout the local and national communications systems.
Kaine needs to go, not only because he is congenitally unable to fire up the base, which is necessary to keep the Party alive and growing, but because he is equivocal at best on women's civil rights, including the right to make decisions about their own bodies. Kaine isn't even truly pro-choice. Of course he's going to respond feebly to Republican attacks. He's halfway to being one of them.
March 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yet the GOP tried to tie Obama to Bill Ayers' 30-year old subversive views.
March 27, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
With the first amendment and her public office, I think she will get a free pass UNTIL some nut case takes up arms and kills or harms someone. If that person states that he was responding to Bachmann - then there will a stronger basis to removing her before her term is up. Like most republicans of this century, she will deny all personal responsiblity and continue to spouts hateful stupidity.
Now, it could be that in Minnesotta, there are laws regarding hate speech and sedition that may allow her actions to fall under malfeasance but it would probably be a stretch.
Nonetheless, it makes me wonder about the folks in her district that they would want such an ignorant, stupid, and hateful woman to represent them. None of this stuff is new, only the degree.
March 27, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Violence.
March 27, 2009 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
What I don't understand is why is this advocating of violence and a revolt not treason and a crime? I don't understand this. No democrats ever said this type of stuff when the king was operating as a dictator. Why isn't she and the rest of the lunatic fringe under arrest for advocating armed insurrection? Anybody understand this?
March 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yo, DNC dude! Grow a pair!!!!! This is not middle school. This is a sitting Congresswoman calling for TREASON.
March 27, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this should be taken seriously, as it is not just her. The far right (though I hate labels like that) are deeply dividing a faction of this country, and there are many people who only hear the sound bites or Fox news and believe this stuff.
The DNC should go after these people, constantly using FDR as an example of what could be accomplished, and that it did not destroy our democracy but strengthened it.
Finally, my biggest pet peeve. Medicare IS universal health care. The DNC needs to repeat that over and over, as this is the group most opposed to health care reform. You know, the what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine.
March 27, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree the party needs to use FDR's example much more, in the process also defending him against the right's revisionists. Hey, the GOP constantly flogs Ronnie Rayguns, so why not hit back with a much better president. FDR's accomplishments are vastly more impressive than those of Reagan. It's funny about the right. They're incessantly slagging FDR, despite his holding the country together during the Depression (a much more serious and volatile situation than today's, not to mention the go-go 80's) and then winning the biggest war this country's ever fought, the US emerged as the clear winner and superpower afterwards. I guess the wingnuts don't think he had anything to do with it.
March 28, 2009 11:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess it's time to dust off the fat man again.
"When you take your marching orders from Rush Limbaugh, this is what passes for 'opposition.'"
March 27, 2009 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
A revolution? What was it that short guy said? Bring it on.
March 27, 2009 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you believe she beat a guy named Elwin Tinklenberg?
March 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
enough said back at ya bitch
March 27, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Give me liberty, or give me a strongly worded statement.
March 27, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
There was a time when I felt nobody could be that looney, and yet, time and time again I'm proven wrong.
I am so glad the Republican party left me.
March 27, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps we should take a cue from the Republicans and start linking Republicans like Bachmann to Timothy McVeigh and Jim David Adkisson. At least independent liberal/progressive groups like MoveOn should run a few ads like that, which could ignite a conversation about the increasingly extremist rhetoric of some right-wing lunatics.
March 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
While it is true that some dingbats believe these rants, for the most part FoxNews is going so far that they are repulsing the majority. Let her rant, she only makes the Republicans look desperate and extreme. She's Limbaugh in a dress. Let's just all hope that Obama is kept safe from the dingbats who believe these "isms."
FoxNews is going so extreme in their attacks they are becoming the network for national terrorists. They are now the American version of Bin Laden, putting out hate against our government.
March 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Debra, you don't need a majority to pull a trigger or plant a bomb. And this sort of rhetoric is just the ticket to convince the next McVeigh to bomb a federal courthouse, blow up a UU church, or take a shot at a high federal official, and maybe succeed. I just called two congressmen: my own (Rothman of NJ) and one who was once my lawyer in prehistoric times (Sander Levin of Michigan) to press them to at least get on the record that this sort of thing cannot stand: There is a law (I just saw it cited at length another blog but I don't remember exactly where) that Bachmann would be close to triggering if she were not given immunity as a Congresswoman. You should be doing the same, I think.
Communist party members and officials were jailed in the 50's for much, much less. And we should be getting on the MSM to pay more attention. It's great that we agree with each other here the Bachmann and Co. are batshit insane, but until the mainstream realizes this they will continue to spread their poison until something really bad happens.
March 27, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would agree with you, jpr, Bachmann has crossed the Rubicon, and though she may not have intended the lunatic fringe's response to her call for rebellion, she will own whatever results that come of this fomenting of rebellion.
It's one thing to start a rebellion and win, it's quite another to start one and loose before a shot is fired.
If nothing comes of this she may just loose her seat as a Congresswoman, but if something...untoward should happen, say, the Minutemen, or the John Birch Society answer the call...she'll wish she was just unseated.
March 27, 2009 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is the penalty for treasonous acts during wartime? Ms. Bachman should perhaps exercise
some discretion if she can.
March 27, 2009 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah right, She represents the oligarchs and the stupid. Obama is trying to stop the wealthiest Americans from taking over the country and she wants to stop Obama from doing this...preferring instead to keep "we the people" in our places like we have been the last 8yrs while deregulation reigned. Yes Bachmann, keep Obama from making the wealthy pay higher taxes. Keep the people from getting out of the hole oligarchs had them dig for themselves. The rich must stay rich and the poor poorer...it's the way of America. You tell 'em girl. The middle class doesn't need Obama's help and neither do the wealthy. More tax cuts should fix any problem. That way the wealthy will create jobs for the poor like they always have huh by out sourcing jobs and gambling away our 401ks.. Hannity's right there with ya'...leave the wealthy alone.
March 27, 2009 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
wonder how applicable 18 U.S.C. § 2385. (Advocating overthrow of Government) is to these statements?
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002385----000-.html
March 27, 2009 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
They are trying to insight the assassination of President Obama. You can count on that.
March 27, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really, I understand the concern. Bachmann is vile.
But I think we should:
1. Hang nutjobs like this around the neck of the Republican Party, just like Rush.
2. Point out that they are nutjobs, foam-at-the-mouth freaks, objects of scornful ridicule.
3. Don't call for them to be silenced. They can do a lot of work for our side. The majority want a sane, calm, reasonable and intelligent leader (such as Obama). Contrast that with these freaks and our side wins politically.
March 27, 2009 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink