GOP Rep Submits Bill To Require Birth Certificates From Prez Candidates
Rep. Bill Posey, a freshman Republican from Florida, is now putting forward a bill that should be good news for a particular demographic that cares a whole lot about their issue: Those folks out there who insist that President Obama hasn't offered a birth certificate to prove he's a natural-born U.S. citizen.
CNN reports that Posey has submitted a bill to require all presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate -- which Posey says is needed in order to remove this issue as a reason to question any president's legitimacy.
"Opponents of President Bush used the 2000 election results and the court decisions to question the legitimacy of President Bush to serve as President," Posey said in a statement. "Opponents of President Obama are raising the birth certificate issue as a means of questioning his eligibility to serve as president. Neither of these situations are healthy for our Republic."
Posey's spokesperson told CNN that Posey takes President Obama's word for it that he's a citizen: "This was not meant as an insult to the president. It is simply meant as a way to clarify future election laws and to dispel the issue so we can move on with doing business for the country."
A quick check of the Library of Congress' Thomas site shows the bill does not have any cosponsors yet. But Posey only introduced it on Thursday, so he's just getting started.
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Why is it that the first president whose citizenship is questioned is also the first African American President? When will the MSM just spit it out and call this bile the racism that it is?
March 14, 2009 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
March 14, 2009 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Double bingo.
What really is telling is that the candidate who had an issue concerning citizenship and ability to be president was the old white guy. He wasn't born in the US. What did dems do? They didn't question it at all and passed a bill in the senate to declare no opposition and that there was no issue.
Now, you have an african american born in hawaii and they question it? Somebody else pointed out that nothing could be done to satisfy these racist loons. I actually find it telling that obama released his birth certificate immediately, which he didn't have to do and that still wasn't enough. They could have video from the delivery and 100's of witnesses come out and say that this is absurd and they still would claim that there is an issue. It really is a sad statement on the republican party and its supporters. I guess that they are living in a pre-civil war fantasy land where birth certificates weren't issued for african-americans. Pathetic and racist.
March 14, 2009 9:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
3. Florida (January 10, 1861)
...lest we forget, Florida was the third state to secede from the union because Lincoln was elected.
March 14, 2009 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Double bingo on this comment, as well.
March 14, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
"The South's gonna rise again?"
Anyone born south of the Mason Dixon line still harboring stale loyalties and Civil War era prejudices might well be accused of having been born in a foreign country?
The Confederate States of America, maybe?
Gosh, that would sure shorten the list of southern-born Presidents. No Clinton, no LBJ, no Carter, no Bush(s). The Dems would certainly take the biggest hit, but considering Bush(s) is on that list, it makes up for the others.
March 14, 2009 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is not the Civil War to those folks. It is the "War of Northern Aggression"
The same folks behind this (wing nut daily) are the people who were hounding Bill Clinton his entire term about Vince Foster. They will not give up, and if they lose on the birth case they will move on to the Indonesian citzenship case, then move on to whatever the hell else. They will not give up, they will never be satisfied.
March 14, 2009 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
"the people who were hounding Bill Clinton"
Mellon Scaiffe as their principal financier?
It's possible...
March 14, 2009 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Richard Mellon Scaife has since made nice with the Clintons. He made a sizable -- approx. $1 million, if I recall correctly -- donation to the Clinton Foundation/Library/Global Initiative, took Ms. Hillary to lunch during the campaign and his PA vanity newspaper endorsed her warmly.
Strange bedfellows....
March 14, 2009 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I was suggesting Mellon-Scaiffe might well be behind the NEW crop of naysayers who are dissing Obama...
Or at least in that same country club...
March 14, 2009 12:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Scaife put Joe Farah on the map, and his WingNutDaily is the ones primarily responsible for pimping out this story.
March 14, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not so strange opportunist!
March 14, 2009 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, to review, let me get this straight:
* The Democrats hurt our Republic, by questioning the election of 2000 in the courts. This, of course, is why it was called "BUSH v. Gore".
* Republicans would never be so crass and opportunistic as to try to negate the results of an election, via oily "trial lawyer" methods. See also: the complete works of Eric Kleefield [g].
* Rep. Posey isn't offering this bill to hurt or "insult" the President. No, quite the contrary, he's protecting the President from unscrupulous mad political types, who might try to impugn the legitimacy of this fine fine man, by seeing to it that all "questions" about his legitimacy are safely out of the way. Unscrupulous mad political types like... um... who could he be referring-to?...
I sincerely hope nobody clues the Republicans into the fact that, the more they treat the people like their own hard-core "base" (i.e., drooling, ignorant idiots), the more they're marginalizing themselves with normal Americans. No, really, don't tell them!
(That having been said: FreeRider alert, below! :-)
March 15, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Triple bingo. Birth announcements were published with all the relevant details in Hawaii in August, 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
Surely this plot to have an Indonesian qualify at birth to be president is the most elaborate ever conceived. You gotta hand it to Barack's single mom...she planned ahead.
March 14, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
You gotta hand it to Barack's single mom...she planned ahead.
LOL707LOL707!!!
March 14, 2009 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wonder if she had a handy-dandy time machine?
March 14, 2009 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the link and info. This really is despicable.
March 14, 2009 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not really despicable. It's comic.
March 14, 2009 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
more like 'comically despicable.'
March 14, 2009 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Neither of those announcements indicate where BHO was born. They only include the supposed address of his parents.
If anyone wants the actual facts about this matter - what we know and what we don't know, no speculation - see this extensive discussion:
http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship
In order to avoid wasting my time, please see this earlier thread at this site where I responded to common misconceptions about this issue:
http://peekURL.com/zkywrus
March 14, 2009 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
His mother was a citizen so where he's born is moot.
You go around to all the sites posting this BS. It's totally lame.
March 14, 2009 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
The argument over what we know about where he was born is definitely not "moot" since it shows that many MSM hacks, FactCheck, Snopes, et al are willing to lie through their teeth. As I point out at the link, there's no definitive proof of where he was born. I also provide a challenge at the link: call Hawaii and get them to confirm what FactCheck pretends they said on 10/31. No one has taken up that challenge, despite how easy I've made it by including the phone number, the person to speak to, and the questions that could clear all this up.
And, that's a separate issue from the natural-born issue.
March 14, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
His mother is a US citizen so it doesn't matter where he was born. He's a naturalized citizen.
But . . .
The "certificate of live birth" states he was born in Honolulu. The State of Hawaii says that the "certificate of live birth" is the birth certificate. The State of Hawaii verifies that Obama's is legit.
But that's just gravy because it doesn't matter if he was born on the back of a stage coach in the middle of Dubai since his mother is a US citizen.
March 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
FreeRider, could you please stop lying?
The state of HI has never verified the picture of a COLB that appears on BHO's site. The fact that that picture says he was born in HI means nothing until it's been verified by the issuing agency. And, they haven't verified it.
All they've said is that they have a valid cert on file. They didn't confirm that what they have on file matches the picture on BHO's site.
March 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
'Splain something: why would the state of Hawaii have Obama's original birth certificate if he wasn't born there?
'Splain something else: The document Obama has released has a raised seal, is dated June, 2007 and signed by Alvin T. Onaka. If this is all fake, why doesn't the State of Hawaii call Obama out as a forgerer?
'Splain something else: Why risk faking a birth certificate when it doesn't matter where you were born since your mother was a US Citizen?
March 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
FreeRider: what is the *legal* and *procedural* meaning of "original" *in this context? AFAIK, his original cert could indicate a foreign birth and he could still have a valid HI birth certificate. "How is that possible?", the intellectually honest reader asks. Because under HI law, even those born outside HI can get valid certs depending on the residency of their parents. And, that law was clearly meant to apply to those born before 1982, since it referred to those living in the "Territory" of HI, an entity that was dissolved two years before BHO was born.
As for the picture on BHO's site, it would be illegal for HI to verify it. If it's fake and they haven't called him out, perhaps it's because they're supporters. I seem to recall a recent case of an OH official losing her job because she did something she shouldn't have, and something like that could be happening in this case.
The bottom line is that we just don't know what's going on here because BHO has not been forthright. Obviously, there's *something* he's hiding, whether related to his cert or his college records or similar.
March 14, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, go away you dumb fuck. You are pathetic. Go play at redstate.com. The earth is flat too you know. There is no picture of the entire earth at one time. I'm telling you it's flat.
March 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You people alleged that the picture posted on the site is different from all the other birth certificates issued to Hawaii born citizens. The folks from Hawaii says its identical to what everyone else receives.
Of course, they can't say *definitively* without examining it in person. Just like you can't call it a fake from a picture!
March 14, 2009 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Guess what? The President of the United States is a Black Man. Sorry that offends your sensibilities.
March 14, 2009 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, and the State of Hawaii did indeed verify that the document presented by Obama is authentic.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told Politifact.
March 14, 2009 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the very same page, she says: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
March 14, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question: Why would they go through this elaborate ruse to fake a birth certificate since it doesn't matter where he was born?
His mother is a US citizen.
I just love watching you wingers go down the rabbit hole with this idiocy. It's so much fun to watch you become more and more fringe and to destroy the republican party chasing ridiculous conspiracy theories.
March 14, 2009 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lonewacko (if that really is your name... oh wait, it might be...), you are making me defend Freeper, well-known jabone. May you burn in Hell, for that alone.
Here's the BIG question, Wack: WHAT'S YOUR END GAME, HERE?
No, really. Let's say you somehow ram this bill through a heavily Dem Congress. Let's say it goes to the WH, and President Obama, in a spirit of bipartisanship, signs it into law. Let's say, on the basis of this new law, a "bipartisan committee" appoints Kenneth Starr special prosecutor, and Obama is impeached for not having the proper credentials, bloodlines (skin color?) to be President.
Let's say we all stop dropping acid now.
Would I be paranoid in saying that this is naught but a continuation of the old-school Gingrichian playbook: trot-out a "Democrat controversy" every three weeks...Whitewater, Paula Jones, travelgate? In the case of President Obama, we could... oh, I dunno... eat up the airwaves, talking about Michele Obama's arms; Obama's "biting off more than he can chew"... and just keep smacking him with something new, continually, until the public wears down and says, "Oy... not that damned Obama, again???
You are aware, aren't you, that WE are aware, that a GOP mucky recently bragged that their whole m.o. will be to "drive up Obama's negatives"? Got that? He bragged about doing exactly what we're watching happen here!
Like Nancy Pelosi just said: when you lose the policy argument, you fight it on procedure; when you lose the procedural fight, you attack the personality. Not that it's working or anything, but that's only because any movie can spawn just so many sequels, before the public just walks the hell away and says "fuck it". Take the hint.
March 15, 2009 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Proof those sites are lying?
March 14, 2009 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
"In order to avoid wasting my time..."
Too late. You've wasted quite enough already.
March 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Carl Sagan said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Instead of putting the onus on Obama to prove he was born here (despite a birth certificate, verification by REPUBLICAN health department officials & a birth announcement in the local paper) WHY DON'T YOU OFFER A SINGLE SHRED OF PROOF THAT HE WASN'T? You claim he was born in Kenya? Show me a Kenyan birth certificate. His mom traveled to Kenya to secretly give birth and then sneaks back in to this country? Show me a passport or Visa stamp. He is the duly sworn President of the United States. Got a problem with that? Then vote in 2012! Quit trying to de-legitimize his Presidency. You just sound like a kook and a sore loser!
March 14, 2009 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
VanArsdale:
Links - and logic - are your friends. I'm not claiming that BHO was born here, there, or the other place. My claim is that no definitive proof of where he was born has been offered. If you don't understand the difference, find a smart friend to explain it to you.
March 14, 2009 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
The earth is flat too. There is no definite proof that it is round. It's flat I tell you.
March 14, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your argument, Wackytobacky, follows the exact line of logic of Republican hack/asshole Ben Ginsburg, and his rationale for throwing out the entire MN election.
After the MN election boards and courts meticulously followed every facet of MN law, to determine what existing ballots were eligible, which ones must be discarded, etc., the Coleman team succeeded in proving only ONE thing: that any election or recount can only be theoretically perfect. Ginsburg et.al. are saying that if a contest cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be beyond that... absolutely perfect... the entire contest must be thrown out. Therefore, if any court of law determined that an election contest exhibited 99.9% accuracy, it would have to be thrown out and, according to Ginsburg's argument, you then would have to invalidate every election for dogcatcher in America on the same grounds.
Your argument, as I say, is identical to this bullshit. You're using the old, rugged "We may never know" spin, to float the idea that as long as a question, any question, remains, there can be no possible legitimacy* (* = and I have a funny feeling that for the next eight years, there will not exactly be any shortage of "questions"... how convenient!).
March 15, 2009 2:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, links are your friend. Here is proof the earth is flat:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=7d00ccb82e4994ba4a64cc5a83adfc01&
March 14, 2009 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's as much definitive proof of where he was born as there is about any other president. You just choose to disregard it.
Where Dubya's birth certificate? Where's Reagan's birth certificate?
Doesn't matter. Obama's mother was a US citizen, i.e., Obama is a natural born US citizen and eligible to be president whether he's born in Kansas, Kenya, Katmandu, Key West, Kalamazoo or KissMyAss.
Deal with it, nutters!
March 14, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see your birth certificate, whackjob. We need to verify - beyond any doubt - your standing to be able to ask this question.
March 14, 2009 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Psssst! Hey! Wacko. Over here....
I have a secret to share with you and, by all the gods, it'll knock your socks off! But don't let it get around, because it could cause some real bad, bad problems with the process of electing our POTUS.
See, there were maybe as many as three people who snuck into the job of presidency (sorry, I'm not including that little trouble-maker Jeff Davis; he doesn't really count):
Washington, Jefferson and Adams were not born as US citizens and they were still let in as presidents!!!!.
Seriously, man — if this leaks out, we are all going to be in seriously BIG trouble!
Maybe we should pass another law that removes them from the roles, because with that stain on our record, how are we ever going to find time to do something important like rescue our country from sinking under the waves of supply-side, no oversight idiocy actively promoted by anti-American "real" citizens who were also elected to high offices?
March 16, 2009 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, yup....
March 14, 2009 11:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
When they wrote the Constitution, they needed to satisfy the Southern States, so some special language had to be used. This whole thing is about slaves. They would not allow someone to become president who was a slave, or born a slave and later freed. The "natural born citizen" phrase covers this. It is taken directly from the laws of the Roman Republic, which, except for Iceland and 1600's England, was the main example they had to follow. I believe that the post civil war amendments effectively removed this part of the Constitution.
March 14, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"natural born citizen"--wait, C-sections aren't allowed?
March 16, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're absolutely right. Every time I've heard these racist monsters make that criticism, it's undeniable. Just wait until they, the hardcore conservative right-wingers, Southerners, toss Michael Steele out. It will just accentuate what we already know. I'm betting that Rep. Posey is one of those Steele-haters too.
By the way, ever since Bush was wedged into office by the Supreme Court, Karl Rove and all the rests of the apologists have been trying to legitimize him. Ridiculous.
March 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
More important, how does Posey's claim that "Opponents of President Bush used the 2000 election results and the court decisions to question the legitimacy of President Bush to serve as President,", connect with his effort to paint Barack Obama as possibly not a natural born citizen of the U.S., and somehow illegitimate as President? He isn't stating it outright, but is doing it via 'wink, wink, nod, nod'.
March 14, 2009 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
See my earlier timeless prose, acf... that entire sentence is all about the ongoing drip-drip-drip of the Republican rewriting of history ("the OBAMA economy"; "the BUSH recovery", "we only lost in Viet Nam because of the PROTESTORS", yada yada).
Again, "BUSH v. Gore" becomes those miserable librul trial lawyers attempting to use our sacred courts to steal the election from that decent, Christian, white, flag-lapel pin-wearing self-made Texas bidnessman.
It's not over for these people. It's never over. They'll stay at it until no one remembers that it was Bush who literally stole an American presidential election, using a friendly Supreme Court to pull specious legal "theory" out of their asses, and then declare that this decision, by the highest court in the land, was a one-time only Blue Plate Special. Jesus.
March 15, 2009 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
My opinion, for whatever that's worth, is that this is more about general ignorance than about race or ethnicity. As the election's demographics showed, though racial bigotry might have offered motive to a distinct yet very finite percentage of voters, it was clearly not a factor in the ultimate outcome. If it had been, Barack Obama would have lost to John McCain.
But what should also appall us are those apparently still-large numbers of Americans who don't quite realize, even in this golden anniversary year of its formal admission into the Union, that Hawaii is in fact an integral part of the United States.
As recently as July 1, 2007 at Amarillo (TX) Airport, a local TSA employee refused to accept my Hawaii driver's license as valid ID for entry into the gate area, and asked to see my Hawaiian passport.
What made this incident even more astonishing, particularly considering where I was at the time in West Texas, is that I'm not of Polynesian or Asian ancestry, but am German-Irish! I actually had to appeal to the woman's supervisor for his reluctant intervention -- and even then, he had to call HIS boss for verification about Hawaii's political status!
If a larger percentage of our country's citizenry were geographically / socially / historically literate, these sorts of political straws about Hawaii birth certificates and island passports would simply be non-starters, and thus denied to the ignorant fringe elements amongst us.
March 14, 2009 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because of the rule we white folks instituted long ago: "it's not racism as long as you don't say the word 'nigger'."
Anything else, and it's a case of "you're oversensitive", or "we should give him the benefit of the doubt", or something.
March 14, 2009 11:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The answer is easy. Obviously Republicans like him do not know how to authenticate a birth in any of our states. It is very simple. Write the State agency in charge of records and request the information. In fact, the Hawaiian officials have already authenticated Obama's Hawaiian birth. But this guy and many Republicans seem so dull witted they simply do not understand the simplest thing about genealogy. But what the heck, this guy has no interest in facts. He sounds just like the typical Southern racist to me. What else can we expect out of a racist like him? Nothing!!!!!
March 15, 2009 12:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't we render this congressman, interrogate him enhanced like, and see if he is a citizen?
March 14, 2009 12:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
I support extraordinary rendition of the distinguished Congressman to verify his citizenship via "enhanced" interrogation methods, provided that our spokesman (Eric?) make clear that questioning him is not intended as an insult.
His party assured us that the United States does not torture, so he should have no problem with us doing a full Cheney on him to rip out the truth.
March 14, 2009 2:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Naaah, doesn't need to be that nasty. Obama should just support the bill fully, and stipulate that an amendment to it should be tests of IQ and basic world facts for candidates for Congress.
March 14, 2009 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
If by "render" you mean slowly cook the fat out of him, well, can I help?
March 14, 2009 7:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Posey has submitted a bill to require all presidential candidates to submit a birth certificate -- which Posey says is needed in order to remove this issue as a reason to question any president's legitimacy."
Yes, Bill, the questioning of Obama's birthplace by desperate wingnuts was just as significant as the Supreme Court issuing a non-precedent-setting decision in favor of Bush in 2000.
Man, these GOP nutcases are the gift that just keeps on giving.
March 14, 2009 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know just like Cokie Roberts demonstrated when she exposed her ignorance about Hawaii on national television, these morons like Rep. Posey are more than likely really just to stupid to know that Hawaii is part of the United States.
March 14, 2009 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Memo to Rep. Posey:
Modify your bill to include all Senate and Congressional candidates too. And let's see that certificate, while you're at it, you bloody pompous jackass.
March 14, 2009 2:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah the timing is strange. Though I have to admit I'm surprised this is such a new issue - I would think that people registering as presidential candidates already have to produce a birth certificate. Before now, no one has been actually checking that candidates fit the consititutional rules for running for president??? That would be weird.
Aren't birth certificates publically available anyway? Maybe not...
March 14, 2009 4:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Presenting a birth certificate demonstrating U. S. birth might have been a problem for all those ealy presidents who were born in the British Colonies before births were certified.
March 14, 2009 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does it need to be presented in person in each state when they register? To whom do they show it, the governor or would a judge be sufficient? Certainly not one of those liberal judges! Are they required to provide biometric ID or is a photo ID acceptable?
The list of particulars could go on and on. The devil is in the details when you're dealing with people who want to knit pick just to be arseholes.
Take Norm Coleman as an example.
March 14, 2009 5:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
The conservatives, not just right wingers but the general conservatives as well, will be trying to use this trash like they used Lewinsky on Clinton.
They will throw their tantrum and try to hang it over Obama's presidency to ruin it. And Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the rest will oblige them. Just watch.
March 14, 2009 7:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Except Clinton did bang Monica. They will be using this like Vince Foster on Clinton.
March 14, 2009 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
But Clinton didn't "bang" Lewinsky, in the sense that "bang" is usually used to mean. Of course, when slamming Clinton, being truthful or precise has never been a requirement.
March 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Opponents of President Obama are raising the birth certificate issue as a means of questioning his eligibility to serve as president."
The use of the present tense is damning.
Obama has already produced his birth certificate, and crackpots and still questioning his eligibility, so what's the point?
One of the badges of a crackpot is that mere proof is never sufficient.
So by Posey's own standards, the bill is at best a waste of time. At worst, it's pandering.
I'm leaning towards pandering.
March 14, 2009 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are right that there exists no form or format of this true and valid documentation which can satisfy these yahoos. Any information, confirmation, witness account(s), of any kind will only lead to new and disturbing questions, etc.
If he were to totally nail them down, the theory would just mutate that he was switched at birth or some such.
Since virtually every Democrat will vote against Posey's impudent bill, he's engaging in the equivalent of a rhetorical exercise. Speaker Pelosi should check his office space, though -- he may have too much, and some of it may be needed by e.g. cleaning staff.
March 14, 2009 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. I kind of wonder if this isn't more red meat, proposed with the full knowledge that it will go nowhere, so Posey and the GOP can turn around and bitch about how those nasty Dems stopped them from reaching the truth.
Shorter Posey: "It's never been a problem before, because we've always elected white guys. But now, you, know..."
Passive-agressive drama with a big helping of delusion on the side. This is basically the GOP thinking they get to pick and choose who's American and who's not. Prettied up with concern trolling and "aw, shucks, I'm just trying to do the right thing," but still ugly.
March 14, 2009 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
"This was not meant as an insult to the president. It is simply meant as a way to clarify future election laws and to dispel the issue so we can move on with doing business for the country."
Of course, the best way to dispel the issue and move on with doing business is to stop pandering to the crackpots and stop legitimizing the issue.
In other words, stop feeding the trolls, Posey.
March 14, 2009 8:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bill Posey should be questioned about his motivation for this sham by Jack Bauer. After Jack fractures a couple of kneecaps, old Bill will sing like a canary.
March 14, 2009 8:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Listen to you: "Let's beat the crap out of Posey." Zeig Heil to you, too. Sheesh.
March 14, 2009 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Let's beat the crap out of Posey." If you're going to misquote me, at least use brackets. Besides, it's not a "let's..." assignment, it's a Jack Bauer assignment for the good of the country.
March 14, 2009 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I like the way he tries to tie President Obama's birth certificate crap to the outright THEFT of the Presidency by Georgie Dubya in 2000. How absolutely ridiculous can these whack job repugnicans get????
March 14, 2009 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
These comments seem rather odd to me. I proudly voted for Obama, but I can understand that to conform to the Constitution, there should be a way to validate that the candidate is a natural born US citizen. That just makes sense. Hey, I had to show my birth certificate to renew my driver's license which I have had for 45 years now. Why should I not have to do it to become POTUS?
I haven't seen Obama's birth certificate and it is my understanding that it isn't in the public domain. There is an unsigned "Certificate of Live Birth" filed several days after the birth but I don't think that is an official birth certificate.
I'd like to see this issue resolved, even as an Obama supporter.
March 14, 2009 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sure you are a proud supporter bill. Obama has a driver's license and passport and registered to vote. He's had to produce his birth certificate numerous times in the past, just like every american citizen. This is a bunch of bullsh*t and your post is a bunch of bullsh*t. Lush go work on your radio show.
Mcbush wasn't a natural born american citizen based on your and the lunatic fringe's analysis. He was born in a foreign country. Where was the outcry from you loons then?
March 14, 2009 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for dispatching this "supporter," Michael A. Well done.
March 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROFLMAO... I remember seeing this gimmick begin, during the days of Tricky Dick... anyone remember "Democrats For Nixon"?
You couldn't go a week, without picking up your local paper and reading a letter to the editor: "I am a proud Democrat, who voted for FDR and Adlai Stevenson and John F. Kennedy... but I an just SO concerned for our country, right now, that I believe Richard Nixon to be the yada yada bullshit..."
(p.s... this meme showed up again in both Bush eras!)
March 15, 2009 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're very right about this. And they got that odious Zell Miller and Traitor Joe to go on national TV opposing their own party's candidates, not that their loyalty or bona fides should be questioned in any way.
March 16, 2009 12:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't seen your birth certificate either. Therefore, you must be from Kenya.
March 14, 2009 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Have you seen Bill Clinton's birth certificate? What about Ronald Reagan or Jimmy Carter or either of the Bushes?
WE have NEVER seen any president's original birth certificate because no other president has been asked to show one. Yet, Obama has to repeatedly respond to a question that has never been asked of any other president, simply because he's black and has an unusual name.
The "birthers" fail to acknowledge that Obama's mother was a citizen so it doesn't matter where he was born.
They fail to acknowledge that (a) any child born to a US citizen is automatically a citizen and (b) any child born on American soil is automatically a citizen.
They pretend that there is some ambiguity about what being a natural born citizen means. There is not. It's natural born (a citizen from the day you're born) v. naturalized (i.e. Schwarzenegger & Albright.)
This whole thing is such a ridiculous sham and you, Bill, are full of shit.
March 14, 2009 12:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Certainly a President's credentials to be president should be officially certified but let's also include a psychological exam and a drug test!
March 14, 2009 9:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hope that Posey's constituents are happy; obviously this is the kind of legislation that they sent him to Washington to produce. Moronic fools....with all of the problems that this country has, this is the legislation that this idiot puts forth.
March 14, 2009 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Please don't take this as pedantic; just the point that this lout isn't producing any legislation at all, just a draft that has no chance of passing. It has to go through committee first, I believe. It will never even get out of committee, as every Dem on the Committee including the chairman will vote against it, if a committee vote is even allowed and it probably won't be.
So you could say, is this the kind of *antics* his constituents are looking to him to supply. He ain't producin' no legislation. Jackass that he is.
March 14, 2009 6:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Mom, age 90, says she saw ( on Fox News, of course) Obama's grandmother say that he was born in Kenya and she was there. She asked me why she would say that if it weren't true. I had no idea why she would say it. My son suggests that Obama's father was also named Barack Obama, so maybe with the translation involved, she was confused as to who they were talking about. Of course she was there for his father's birth! In any case, yeah Fox News for once again muddying the waters.
March 14, 2009 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
The opponents of Florida Republicans have made accusations that question the legitimacy of Florida Republicans serving in office. My bill requires them to prove that they have not texted underage pages about their wank habits, demonstrate that they have never worn what opponents would deride as "tit-hugging spandex" at a rodeo, have never illegally colluded with a sibling to alter the outcome of a presidential election, and have never offered 20$ to an unknown individual for the privilege of providing oral gratification to said individual in a public restroom.
In order to clarify, this was not meant as an insult to these officials. It is simply meant as a way to clarify future election laws and to dispel the issue so we can move on with doing business for the country."
March 14, 2009 9:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't get it. Hawaii release a copy of his birth certificate to these lunatics even though other prez candidates were not required to do so.
No matter what you agree to with birther lunatics, it will never be enough. They'll just find something else to whine about or claim it is a fake.
And we all know this is asked of Obama only because he is black and has a Kenyan father. This is racist and pathetic.
Where is the proof that McCain was born in the U.S.?
March 14, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are correct. It is a "zombie" issue that will not die, despite the facts.
And McCain, ironically, he wasn't born in the U.S. He was born in Panama. In the Panama Canal Zone.
March 14, 2009 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Zombie issue" for sure...outright fantasy is all they have left, they lost in real time and all I can say to them is "It's OVER. LIVE WITH IT!"
March 14, 2009 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
>>I don't get it. Hawaii release a copy of his birth certificate to these lunatics even though other prez candidates were not required to do so.>>
Absolutely not! Hawaii has already released a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate. The nutters said it was a fake. Hawaii then verified that it was authentic in every way. Nutters said that's not good enough; they need to see the original one locked in the vault.
If that is released, they'll say "not good enough. Obama has enough clout to fake that, too."
Even the birth annoucement published in the newspapres in August, 1961 don't satisfy them. They say that it was either faked later or that Obama's parents lied when they said he was born there. Nevermind that these announcements don't come from the parents. They come from the bureau of vital statistics of all the live births.
There's nothing Obama can do to satisfy these people and make these rumors go away so he shouldn't even try. Let the wingers make themselves even more irrelevant.
March 14, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that is my point. There will be no end to it. In reality, the requirement of being born in the U.S. has its limits to what can be proven.
Smells awful similar to the Richard Mellon Scaife episode insisting that the Clintons had people murdered to cover up Whitewater.
March 14, 2009 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
FreeRider says: Hawaii has already released a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate. The nutters said it was a fake. Hawaii then verified that it was authentic in every way.
Those are blatant lies. Hawaii never released BHO's certificate. He uploaded a picture of what he supposedly got from them to his website.
And, Hawaii has never verified anything about the picture on BHO's site. The only thing they said is that they have a valid cert on file. They did not say anything about the picture on his site.
It would be illegal for them to verify the picture on his site or to reveal the contents of the one they have on file.
March 14, 2009 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're right. Wow, I never thought of that. I saw on fox today I think that they said that he was born on Mars. He's not even human. He is an alien life form sent from mars to take away our freedoms and our woman folk. Amazing that I didn't see it before. Thank you for the wonderful insights and thanks to fox news.
March 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
From PolitiFact: (I guess they're lying, too!)
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.
. . .
At PolitiFact.com, we're all about original sources. We don't take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.
When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it's identical). But every answer triggered more questions.
And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate's authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?
Because if this document is forged, then they all are.
March 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. When Politifact refers to the BC "arriving", they mean a picture of his supposed COLB, not a physical copy.
2. As I pointed out above, on the very same page, Okubo says: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."
3. Politifact punted, assuming that he must have a valid cert since others have probably seen it. That's the same thing Madoff investors thought: he must not be a scam because of all those other people.
Politifact cannot be trusted.
March 14, 2009 3:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, you said Factcheck.org can't be trusted either because they're connected with the Annenberg Center and Obama once served on a board funded by the Annenberg Center. Factcheck states that they say the certified copy in person.
You said that the Hawaii officials (including the Republican governor) are covering for Obama.
According to you, the only persons who can be trusted are loons like you and the good folks at NoQuarter.
'Splain please: why would they fake a Hawaii birth certificate since it's not necessary? Remember, Obama's mother is a US citizen.
March 14, 2009 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, it's irrelevant that the Annenbergs themselves endorsed McCain: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/mccains-trumpets-endorsem_n_132954.html
I love how the conspiracy has to expand to include McCain being in on it.
March 15, 2009 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
H.R 666
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
This act may be cited as the Wingnut Recovery Act, requiring all citizens short on common sense to wear their tin-foil hats whenever appearing in public.
Cheif sponsor: GTFOOH
Cosponsers: ______________________________
March 14, 2009 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sign. Or is that Co-sponsor?
March 14, 2009 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Co-sponsor, with ground cables.
March 14, 2009 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
It doesn't matter if this smear is debunked by Jesus himself, they will still use it as a tool to weaken Obama's presidency.
And their rabid, lunatic followers will lap it up. And the media whores will lend it credibility.
This bill is just the start...Just watch...
March 14, 2009 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not really weakening anything. If anything, it just further marginalizes the extreme remnants of the GOP.
March 14, 2009 10:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think it does just the opposite. This issue only appeals to the lunatic fringe and it is just one more issue that frames the Republican Party as a bunch of angry incompetent loser lunatics. These are serious times. People are fed up with this b.s.
March 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
ditto; either that, or they're begining a scorched-earth campaign. If they can't control it, they will set it ablaze so no one else can.
Not to sound paranoid, but the timing of this economic collapse seems to have that aura to it. It seems almost as if the greedy rich would rather lose half their billions to recession and depression rather than pay it as wages to the middle class.
March 14, 2009 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, you're absolutely right, they are indeed beginning a scorched earth campaign. As I posted earlier, think of the Clinton drip-drip-drip of "scandals" and "questions"... the idea was to produce a cumulative feeling of "something's always going wrong with these people". After awhile, your ratings slump from fatigue at your just being there.
I think it was the head of one of the GOP election committees, who recently blurted-out that their main focus was going to be to "drive up Obama's negatives".
The GOOD news is that the American people have seen this movie before, and initially, it all seems to be backfiring in their pudgy white faces.
The BAD news is: not with the MSM, it isn't. Running what amounts to the world's longest commercial for GOP spin can still hurt the President and the Dems, to some degree.
We need, quite seriously, to stay on the mainstream media like flies to shit, and make a really unseemly stink, every time they spread one of these right-wing brain turds.
Let's start with yesterday's WaPo front-page (I think) diatribe about how Obama's defending himself against "the Obama economy" meme, only shows that it's partisan politics as usual, with this typical Democrat.
THAT WaPo weasel needs his fucking car egged.
March 15, 2009 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Until recently, it was widely believed that "natural born" referred to the method of delivery and was the founding fathers' way of prohibiting a Caesarian leader. All that changed in 2000, of course, when the Supreme Court installed a butthole baby as president.
March 14, 2009 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
First, Obama DID produce a birth certificate and second, do we really think this idiot would have introduced this bill at all if the Panama Canal Zone born McCain had won the election?
March 14, 2009 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
What a crock of Sh*t!!!
Does Senator Posey think the FBI, the NSA, the CIA, and rest of the alphabet soup of security and intelligence agencies as well as the entire Election Commissions Board, have not checked to see if a candidate is qualified to be THE PRESIDENT?????
Since being a natural born citizen is already a requirement for the office of The President...
maybe someone should ask Senator Posey if he thinks those agencies are not doing their job???
Or maybe Senator Posey is just a pathetic, racist, sore losing sonfoabitch!!?
March 14, 2009 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I pick option 2.
March 14, 2009 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain was born on US territory for all intents and purposes. The wingdings only use protection of rule of law when it suits their purposes. (see guantanamo, habeas corpus, birthright citizenship etc.)
This bill isn't going anywhere....
March 14, 2009 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
NOBAMA TEH MUSLIN TERRIST HAz BEAN GROOMED FrOM BIRTH BY ILLUM1NATI MASON LIZzARD PEOPLE 2 HIJACK OUR USA NATION AND MAKE EVERYDAY RAMUDUMB!!!1!!
ONLy A FEW OF US KNOW TEH TERR1BLE TRUHT ANR YOU RED DIAPER DOPER BABY LIBRULS CANT STAND IT!1!!1!!!
March 14, 2009 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
You write like our latest pseudo-troll, "JOHN"
March 14, 2009 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey! Who let the cat in here?
March 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are The Onion offices closed on Saturday?
March 14, 2009 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said for a person with a minimal IQ.
March 15, 2009 12:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I still like that avatar!
March 15, 2009 1:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
While we are still at this dead issue story:
Let's have all GOP candidates submit to IQ tests, truth-o-meter tests, criminal background checks, and revelations of any misadventures with prostitutes, Congressional pages, or member of the same sex in airport bathrooms, and finally check with Rush to see if they are okay.
March 14, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not a problem with the birth certificate as long as a standardized IQ test is also administered and the results published at the same time.
March 14, 2009 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are these guys' end game? IF Barack Obama is proven to be from Kenya, Kamchatka or Krypton, what is their next step? Impeachment? I doubt it. They don't have the votes, and they know it. And even if they did, it's not like the Miss America pageant, where the 1st runner-up takes over the crown. McCain will NOT become President, Joe Biden will. So what have they accomplished? Alienating another few generations of black voters, regardless of how many token blacks they pick as RNC chair.
March 14, 2009 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
IQ test > birth certificates
March 14, 2009 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"This was not meant as an insult to the president. It is simply meant as a way to clarify future election laws and to dispel the issue so we can move on with doing business for the country."
Yeah, right.
It's an insult to the current president, it's an insult to the state of Hawaii, and it makes the GOoPers look even more like fools than they already did.
And it shows how little they know about the Constitution and law, that they can't understand that being the child of a citizen and born in the US both make him a natural-born citizen.
March 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'M SO TIRED OF THE RACE CARD BEING USED WHEN IT COMES TO OBAMA.
FIRST OF ALL HE IS NOT AFRO AMERICAN.
HE IS A HALF BREED. HE IS NOT BLACK.
BLACK IS A BLACK MOTHER AND FATHER.
HIS MOTHER WAS WHITE AS RICE. SO DEAL WITH IT.
SECOND OF ALL.
HE HAS SPENT OVER 1 MILLION DOLLARS FIGHTING LAWSUITS TO MAKE HIM SHOW HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND NOT THE ALTERED FAKE PIECE OF PAPER THAT IS ON THE WEB.
HOW DO I KNOW? I AM A HAWAIIAN CITIZEN BORN THE SAME YEAR AND SAME MONTH.
I CAN ASSURE YOU MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE PUT UP ON THE WEB.
IT IS A FAKE.
HE IS A FAKE.
HE WAS BORN IN KENYA. MOM FLEW TO HAWAII AFTER HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO FLY.
REGISTERED HIS BIRTH IN HAWAII BUT NEVER OBTAINED A TRUE CERTIFICATE BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T.
JOHN MCCAIN WAS CHALLENGED BY THE DEMS ON HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND HE PROMPTLY PROVIDED THE REAL DEAL AND HANDED IT TO THEM NOT POSTED SOME FAKE PIECE OF (((( ON THE NET.
SO GROW UP YOU REVERSE RACIST THUGS.
YOU ARE NOTHING BUT WANNABEES THAT HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY AND NEITHER HAS YOUR ANCESTORS.
YOU ONLY WISH HE WAS BLACK AND EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE HIM BLACK BUT HIS IS JUST AS MUCH WHITE AS BLACK.
March 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
OK, post yours as definitive evidence. Or do we take its absence as conclusive proof you're a baldfaced liar?
March 14, 2009 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'M SO TIRED OF THE RACE CARD BEING USED WHEN IT COMES TO OBAMA.
FIRST OF ALL HE IS NOT AFRO AMERICAN.
HE IS A HALF BREED. HE IS NOT BLACK.
BLACK IS A BLACK MOTHER AND FATHER.
HIS MOTHER WAS WHITE AS RICE. SO DEAL WITH IT.
SECOND OF ALL.
HE HAS SPENT OVER 1 MILLION DOLLARS FIGHTING LAWSUITS TO MAKE HIM SHOW HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND NOT THE ALTERED FAKE PIECE OF PAPER THAT IS ON THE WEB.
HOW DO I KNOW? I AM A HAWAIIAN CITIZEN BORN THE SAME YEAR AND SAME MONTH.
I CAN ASSURE YOU MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE PUT UP ON THE WEB.
IT IS A FAKE.
HE IS A FAKE.
HE WAS BORN IN KENYA. MOM FLEW TO HAWAII AFTER HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO FLY.
REGISTERED HIS BIRTH IN HAWAII BUT NEVER OBTAINED A TRUE CERTIFICATE BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T.
JOHN MCCAIN WAS CHALLENGED BY THE DEMS ON HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND HE PROMPTLY PROVIDED THE REAL DEAL AND HANDED IT TO THEM NOT POSTED SOME FAKE PIECE OF (((( ON THE NET.
SO GROW UP YOU REVERSE RACIST THUGS.
YOU ARE NOTHING BUT WANNABEES THAT HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY AND NEITHER HAS YOUR ANCESTORS.
YOU ONLY WISH HE WAS BLACK AND EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE HIM BLACK BUT HIS IS JUST AS MUCH WHITE AS BLACK.
March 14, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is going on today? They are out in droves. It must be the weather.
The thing that is really stupid about these ridiculous arguments is that there is absolutely no reason for her to high tail it back to the us from kenya. He would be an american citizen wherever he was born. Why would she do it? She was plotting to make him president when he was born? Furthermore, knowing that she was giving birth and the state of medical care in kenya, why would she go there to give birth? Expecially, if she was going to high tail it back to the us and manipulate all the stuff that allegedly was manipultated?
None of this makes sense. More important, why am I wasting my time.
March 14, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who did McCain show his certificate to? How do we know it was real? Why wouldn't he just pay off some report to lie about it? I certainly haven't seen it. Obviously, he never showed his birth certificate. John McCain was born on Mars.
March 15, 2009 9:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
"HALF-BREED... that's all I ever heard... HALF-BREED.... how I learned to hate the word..."
:-P
March 15, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor dumb schmuck. Chalk it up to his name. I'm sure he took all kinds of grief for it when he was a kid. He's obviously suffering from post-traumatic dumbness.
March 14, 2009 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
certificate of live human birth? could Posey pass that test? the human part would be fairly hard for him, I think.
March 14, 2009 3:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's pretty simple.
The controversy exists because people in a position to actually know the truth claim Obama was not born in the U.S. In fact, his grandmother may be the only person alive who has actual firsthand knowledge of his birth.
Snd the answer, just like Obama re-taking the oath, is that to remove any possibility that Obama is ineligible he need to release the actual original birth certificate, which exists in a vault in Hawaii, rather than a computer printout of the data in a computer.
Obama is the only one that can resolve this. And he refuses. Where there's smoke.......
March 14, 2009 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it is pretty simple. Let me clarify for a dim bulb such as yourself.
*Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
*The State of Hawaii has, many times over, confirmed and verified this simple fact.
*Obama has a driver's license and a US Passport.
*Obama is now the President of the United States
So get over it already. Nothing you slobbering idiots can say or do will remotely change the fact that McCain lost and Obama won. He is your president and there's nothing you can do about it.
I've realized that all the so-called doubters out there, don't believe the story either. They are just sore losers who are looking for something, anything, to scream and whine and flail about. They know Obama is a US Citizen, but they persist because they have nothing left to throw at him.
This is what amuses me about conspiracies and the morons who believe in them; they can just continue to move the goalposts every time a piece of solid evidence emerges to refute their amateurish laughable claims.
Case in point, the Factcheck.org post about this.
Anyone with an ounce of sanity or reason can conclude after reading the Factcheck post that yes, Obama is a US citizen as they have examined the document themselves.
But the kooks claim, no, that's not real, it's made up, without offering ONE single piece of evidence otherwise. Oh, some blogger sitting at home denies it, therefore it must be a hoax. Don't you realize how stupid you sound?
I love it. I hope the unhinged crackpots persist with this story. It only makes the GOP look that much more out of touch with reality, as if they need anymore piling on lately.
March 14, 2009 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where there's smoke, there's the crack you're obviously smoking, pinhead.
March 14, 2009 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's the think:
Obama could resolve this, but he won't because you whackjobs are irrelevant and it's a lot more fun to get you losers to waste your pathetic lives obsessing over this fantasy off yours.
If there's a fire, then surely you can find it instead of just suggesting it. We'll be waiting when you do.
Also, the thing about his grandmother is a lie, just like the Whitey Tape. You can't use WorldNetDaily and NoQuarter and their right-wing buddies as "sources."
March 15, 2009 9:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I said it before and I'll say it again. There is no quantity of irrefutable evidence that would ever satisfy people such as yourself. And the reason why nothing he can provide will every satisfy you is that you are a run of the mill sore loser.
You lost badly in a fair contest, to a black guy mind you, and you can't take it like a man.
BTW, the real un-American here is anybody with a brain who would have wanted Sarah Palin in direct line to be President.
March 15, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it would be a mistake on the part of congressional Dems to simply ignore or vote down this reprehensible piece of crap legislation.
I suggest that it be turned to our advantage by adding, which we have the votes to do, language that expresses and confirms that "congress agrees that it is a legal fact that the current POTUS is a US citizen, is constitutionally eligible to be POTUS, was legally elected POTUS and duly sworn in as POTUS by the Chief Justice of the SCOTUS. Barak Hussein Obama is the 44th President of the United States of America and his legitimacy as such is not subject to question."
Let the rethug congressional bastards have their little "dig" IF they endorse BHO's legitimacy as POTUS. Make them publicly state their questions and If necessary have congressional hearings bringing related documents and testimony into the record.
Of course, it will not satisfy the "wackos" but it should put an end to any further echoing of their "questions" by the MSM.
March 14, 2009 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just sent this excellent suggestion to my rep, Emmanual Cleaver, and I suggest all TPMers to do same:
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
Like I described it to him, this would indeed be a feat of political jujitsu against the reps of rapid caps-lock crowd.
March 14, 2009 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
TO TELLMEMORE AND ALL THE OTHER IDIOTS THAT PUT SOM MUCH FAITH IN FACTCHECK(WHICH IS A LIBERAL RUN BOGUS ORGANIZATION, WHICH UNDOUBTEDLY RECEIVED A PORTION OF THE OVER 1 MILLION OBOGUS I MEAN OBAMA HAS PAID TO KEEP THE TRUTH FROM UNDER THE ROCK WHICH HE CRAWLED FROM COMING OUT.)
I ASSURE YOU THAT HE WILL NOT BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES COME NOVEMBER AS HE WILL BE REMOVED AS A FRAUD AND IMPOSTER.
HE HAS EVEN SEALED HIS COLLEGE RECORDS WITH NO PROOF OF ANY ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENTS.
IT IS WELL KNOWN HE USED THE ALIAS OF ANOTHER MAN AKA JOE A. WHICH HE USED FOR MANY THINGS AND IS DESPERATE TO KEEP HIDDEN.
ALSO TO THE QUESTION OF WHY HIS MOTHER FLEW TO HAWAII WHEN HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO FLY.
SHE WENT TO KENYA TO LOOK UP HIS LOSER FATHER WHO KNOCKED UP HIS MOTHER AND FLED BACK TO KENYA AND THEN ONTO INDONESIA.
OBOGUS' MOTHER FLEW TO KENYA AND HAD OBAMA WHILE IN SEARCH OF HIS FATHER.
SHE LATER FOUND HE MOVED TO INDONESIA WITH HIS OTHER FAMILY HE HAD THERE.
SHE STOPPED OFF IN HAWAII AND REGISTERED THE FRAUD I MEAN OBOGUS AND THEN WENT ON TO INDONESIA.
UPON ARRIVING THERE SHE FOUND OBAMAS FATHER HAD LEFT HIS OTHER FAMILY AND WAS LIVING ALONE.
OBAMA WAS RAISED IN INDONESIA AND SCHOOLED THERE UNTIL COMING HERE TO ATTEND COLLEGE AND THEN ASSUMED THE NAME OF JOE TO HIDE HIS MUSLIM NAME AND ROOTS.
HE WEASELED HIS WAY INTO HIS FIRST OFFICE AND FINALLY BECAME BOGUS NOT POTUS OF THE UNITED STATES.
HE IS NOT PRESIDENT.
ONLY UNTIL THE TRUTH IS KNOWN.
THERE ARE SO MANY MILITARY AND WEALTHY BUSINESSMEN SUCH AS MYSELF PREPARED TO SPEND BILLIONS IF NEED BE TO HAVE HIM REMOVED.
I WILL NOT REST UNTIL HE IS SHOWN FOR THE FRAUD HE IS. SEPTEMBER WILL BE THE MONTH TO REMEMBER AS I AM SURE BY THAT TIME ALL OF THE FRAUD HE HAS DONE WILL BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE UNITED STATES ON ALL NEWS STATION NO MATTER WHAT PRICE HAS TO BE PAID.
WE HAVE MORE MONEY THAN THE ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC COMMITTEE AND WE WILL EASILY WIN. THE TRUTH ALWAYS COMES OUT.
SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO WAGER ON WHETHER HE WILL BE OUT OF OFFICE BY OCTOBER FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME.
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.
AND OBVIOUSLY I WOULD NOT BE THIS DARING IF I WASN'T SURE HE WILL BE THROWN OUT OF OFFICE.
March 14, 2009 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you'll kindly take your tin foil hat off, you'll find you don't need to yell, we can hear you just fine.
March 14, 2009 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
My, my, my. All caps. I bet Obama is really scared now! HA!!
March 14, 2009 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
A most feeble attempt at parody trolling.
March 14, 2009 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could be a fauxtroll. The spelling was pretty good compared to the content.
March 14, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, please, spend all your money on this. I'm sure that your parents will be proud of how you spend your allowance. Maybe they will even let you out of the basement.
March 14, 2009 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I bet you a million dollars.
March 15, 2009 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey Obaminator, if you fold right now and pay Stoszek cash immediately, I think he'd accept $975,000 and call it fair and square.
It's a good way to save yourself $25,000; think about it.
March 15, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
NO CHANCE. I HAVE A POOL OF OVER 1 BILLION.
I WILL GLADLY TAKE 1 MILLION FROM THE IDIOT OBAMANATION BRAIN DEAD FAILURE.
March 16, 2009 5:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
EXCELLENT. ONLY A MILLION? WE CURRENTLY HAVE A POOL OF OVER 1 BILLION. SO FEEL FREE TO UP THE ANTE.
March 16, 2009 5:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
The irony is, nobody reads all caps posts because they its harder on the eyes: that's graphic design 101. Then again, aesthetic principle has a well-known liberal bias.
I like how the Congressman from Florida thinks of the creationist yokels who "believe" Obama isn't a citizen as just the same thing as the Supreme Court's ruling in Bush v. Gore.
This guy's a real winner boy.
March 14, 2009 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Suggesting that Obama is not a citizen able to run for President is exactly what this congressperson is doing. In the current climate, these are fighting words and just might induce some madman to want to be the hero and kill this interloper in the White House. Thus, I think this congressperson should be visited by the secret service.
Incitement to murder a president.
March 14, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I was born in CA, and what I have is an official copy of mine, headed 'Certificate of Live Birth' (with purple stamp and raised seal). That's just a fancier term for 'birth certificate', so anyone trying to claim that that wording makes a difference is FAIL.
Also, this is the same party where, a few years back, one prominent member wanted to amend the Constitution to allow Ahnold to run for President. (And, IIRC, another was trying to require two or more generations of native-born ancestry for presidential candidates.)
March 14, 2009 8:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also to the people who say that the congressmen should be visited by the secret service.
Freedom of speech will always stand.
Nobody is threatening Obama in anyway.
This has nothing to do with race,party,or anything personal.
It is strictly a legal matter.
Just as a surgeon must submit AN ORIGINAL sealed embossed certificate to practice surgery. so should the person occupying the highest office in the nation be required to do so.
No one has answered the question of why Obama has spent over 1 million dollars trying to prevent the release of his birth certificate and school records.
No dem has an answer, because there is only one.
He is hiding the fact he is not a citizen.
If the President of the United States will spend over 1 million to prevent having to provide a $12.00 certified birth certificate, then what kind of money will he spend to cover up the other things he will keep hidden from the public both past and future.
March 14, 2009 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Birthers have yet to show that Obama has spent anything on this foolishness. Indeed, it wouldn't be surprising if the Birthers didn't have ALL attorney's fees and court costs dropped in their laps.
Obama Citizenship Case a Waste of Time: Federal Judge
March 15, 2009 12:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey man, the entire enterprise is a fiction, so why not just make up evidence too? It's not like they have any credibility to squander to begin with.
March 15, 2009 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
March 14, 2009 10:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, but as our conspiracy theory pals will tell you, they don't explicitly say it's a Hawaii birth certificate and, obviously, Hawaii has original Kenyan birth certificates on file.
March 15, 2009 9:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does this have anything to do with Cheney's death squads ?
Oh, no ... is this about making sure government runs strictly in the bounds of the constitution ?
We sure do not want anyone in the executive branch running amok without a birth certificate.
And the birth certificate has to satisfy the most right-wing of all the farthest right wing ... so that, you know, the constitution remains the foundation of our government.
March 14, 2009 11:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Without a legitimate birth certificate, one found satisfactory to a self-appointed committee of right-wing extremists and thank-you-for-smoking bought-and-paid for political dirty tricksters of the lowest variety, an executive in the white house may be allowed to run a death squad in violation of the constitution - by virtue of his/her dubious birth status.
Then where would we be ?
We have the right to demand that any operator of a death squad will have already presented his/her birth certificate for approval by any right winger far enough to the right to satisfy even the most stubborn right-winger.
Then the death squad operation will be totally constitutional.
March 14, 2009 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, sorry, did I mention death squads being run from the white house ? Forgive me - what stupid thing to bring up.
I am sure ex-VP Dick Cheney will appear on TV tomorrow and any number of times in the future without being asked about such a frivolous thing as his personal death squads.
I am sure the Sunday talk show hosts are far too circumspect to bring up the silly nonsense about Cheney's death squad operation.
I am with child to find out what Mr ex-VP Dick Cheney thinks about the birth certificate issue.
March 14, 2009 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am a natural born citizen, born in Los Angeles CA in 1952 to parents who were both United States citizens.
I have a raised seal certificate of life birth that was issued by the county. It's not a copy of the original.
It's a certified document, meaning that someone copied the information on it from a photocopy of an original that no longer exists. The county says they have an accurate photographic facsimile of the piece of paper the doctor signed along side my footprint, but I never even seen the camera original negative that used for the Microfilm. So what? It's safe to say their are millions just like me. At some point beyond any reasonable doubt has to become the standard and that standard has been met. I say ignore the loons. Their doubts are not reasonable, and the Supreme Court recently affirmed this.
March 15, 2009 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is one of the interesting things on the internet. There are a lot of calm, reasonable on here, and they take it that everyone else on the internet is calm, reasonable, and acting in good faith. A lot of people don't understand that the internet attracts people with legitimate mental health issues like a big, glowing bug zapper, and that people like "lonewhacko" and "TellMeMore" are, despite the basic capacity to type out articulate responses, totally fucking bonkers and desperately in need of professional help.
Most people wouldn't walk into an insane asylum and start debating with people about their hallucinations. We know better. But yet, on the internet, we effectively do the same thing.
March 15, 2009 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Also, please ignore the typos as you're ignoring the sad folks who haven't quite adjusted to again living in a democracy.
March 15, 2009 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
THE ONLY PEOPLE EMBARRASSED BY THIS BILL WILL BE THE REPUBLICAN BABOONS WHO SIGN ON A CO-SPONSORS BECAUSE IT IS MCCAIN -- NOT OBAMA -- THAT HAD THE ONLY DEMONSTRABLY FALSE CLAIM TO BEING A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" IN THE LAST ELECTION. SEE ATTACHED:
Senator McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to U.S. citizen parents. The Canal Zone was territory controlled by the United States, but it was not incorporated into the Union. As requested by Senator McCain's campaign, distinguished constitutional lawyers Laurence Tribe and Theodore Olson examined the law and issued a detailed opinion offering two reasons that Senator McCain was a natural born citizen. Neither is sound under current law. The Tribe-Olson Opinion suggests that the Canal Zone, then under exclusive U.S. jurisdiction, may have been covered by the Fourteenth Amendment's grant of citizenship to "all persons born . . . in the United States." However, in the Insular Cases, the Supreme Court held that "unincorporated territories" were not part of the United States for constitutional purposes. Accordingly, many decisions hold that persons born in unincorporated territories are not Fourteenth Amendment citizens. The Tribe-Olson Opinion also suggests that Senator McCain obtained citizenship by statute. However, the only statute in effect in 1936 did not cover the Canal Zone. Recognizing the gap, in 1937, Congress passed a citizenship law applicable only to the Canal Zone, granting Senator McCain citizenship, but eleven months too late for him to be a citizen at birth. Because Senator John McCain was not a citizen at birth, he is not a "natural born Citizen" and thus is not "eligible to the Office of President" under the Constitution.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract-id=1157621
March 15, 2009 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
If his parents were US citizens, he was a citizen at birth, genius!
That's why this Obama birth certificate silliness is irrelevant. His mother, Ann Dunham, was a US citizen so Obama could have been born on Pluto and it wouldn't matter.
March 15, 2009 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nope. FreeRider, please remember that diapalino was speaking of "Fourteenth Amendment" citizens.
It is not enough to be a citizen born to one or both US citizens in order to be eligible for the office of US President; you have to be born within the USofA.
The last time this was a big issue was the candidacy of Barry Goldwater; he was born in Arizona before it was a state. I seem to recall that a legal exception was made for those who were born in parts of the world that eventually became part of the US at the time of their candidacy or election.
The trouble with McCain is that he was not born in the US and he was not born in a place that eventually became part of the US.
He was made a citizen, along with all others born in the Canal Zone, by an act of congress. That meant that he did not have to register with a consulate or embassy in order to be recognized.
That act of congress did not, however, recognize him as a "Natural Born Citizen"; an oversight, no doubt but an oversight none the less.
Obama was born in the State of Hawaii.
McCain was not born anywhere in the US nor anywhere that became a part of the US later.
If you are born abroad, it is not enough to have one or both parents that are US citizen.
In fact, even if both parents are not US citizens, being born in the US to foreign parents qualifies you to become US President (certain exceptions apply.)
McCain does not qualify.
Mike
March 15, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
>>If you are born abroad, it is not enough to have one or both parents that are US citizen.>>
So, let me get this straight.
According to you, if any of Joe Kennedy's kids were born in London while he was there serving as Ambassador to England, they are not eligible to be president?
That would mean that children of diplomats and military personnel can never be president because their parents served their country.
Do you really believe that the children born to American citizens serving abroad at the behest of their government have fewer rights than the children born on US soil to non-citizens?
Come on you can't believe that's true.
A natural born citizen is a person who was a citizen from birth. If your parents are citizens, you are from the day you're born regardless of where you are born. A "naturalized" citizen is someone who was born somewhere else and went through the citizenship process.
March 15, 2009 5:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point!(like I said, certain exceptions apply)
Children of diplomats, generally do not gain citizenship of the country of their parents posting. Kinda like the embassy itself being recognized as "foreign" soil... even if they were born in a hospital outside the grounds.
It's not according to me. And keep in mind that military personnel, unless specifically assigned to the embassy, aren't covered at all.
McCain's dad was US military assigned to the Canal Zone. That was a truly weird situation in as much as it became evident that we were "never" gonna give it back ...and that we had so many people over there for such a long time, both military and railroad.
Because of that, the US Congress passed a law stating that children born in the zone to 2 US citizen parents were "declared to be a citizen of the United States."
That's cool ...and convenient. Otherwise, all the parents would have to register the birth of their little "zonies" with the US Embassy. All the law did was to save them that inconvenience ...and remove all doubt as to the little darlings' citizenship in the future.
However, being born a citizen is not the same as being born a citizen as per the 14th amendment nor the constitutional requirement for eligibility to become US President.
Like I said, there were serious concerns regarding Barry Goldwater's candidacy ...and he ended up getting "grandfathered" much like Geo. Washington got "grandfathered" as being naturally-born into what finally became the US.
Yes, it is true that "children born to American citizens serving abroad at the behest of their government" (with certain diplomatic exceptions) are not automatically US citizens. Their birth must be recorded with an embassy or consulate ...or later in life by applying for a passport or some other claim of citizenship made to the US government.
Further, a natural born citizen, is not someone who was born simply to two US citizens (you think that's weird ...you should look at situations in which only one of the parents is a US citizen) ...but, rather, as in Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution,
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution"
Like I said, Barry Goldwater became acknowledged as eligible because he was born in a place that was part of the US at the time of his run for the highest office.
No such acknowledgment exists for the US Canal Zone, nor Shanghai, nor West Berlin, nor anywhere else outside the former territories that are now part of the 50 states.
I live in Buenos Aires and I know many US citizens who have discovered this fact to their surprise... because we were all raised to believe that citizenship is automatic in many cases when it is not.
Yanqui Mike
Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://www.yanquimike.com.ar
March 15, 2009 10:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, gee, Obama was born in Hawaii (after it became a state) and McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Funny how the right wing nutjobs didn't question McCain's citizenship . . .
March 15, 2009 10:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's exactly it. Posey, dumbass that he probably is, doesn't realize what a can of worms he's opening up.
I kinda agree with Posey. I like everything that FreeRider said, I would even like to see every candidate for president submit proof-of-citizenship as part of running for president under the unique constitutional requirement for the highest office.
But if Posey thinks that his bill will somehow besmirch Obama ...he won't know what hit him and his party. So what else is new?
I remember when all my friends were so very surprised that my Argentine bride didn't become "automatically" a citizen ...after we'd complied in advance with ALL requirements for our marriage. Citizenship just don't work that way.
We Americans are so dumb when it comes to our own country. It probably has a lot to do with how we've been manipulated ...throughout our history.
Yanqui Mike
Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://www.yanquimike.com.ar
March 15, 2009 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's exactly it Yanqui Mike. The U.S. Constitution clearly states that candidates for president be natural born citizens, thus making this bill completely unnecessary. But Republicans have to keep their name and party in the news.
To: JEP07, both Bushes were born in Connecticut, which, if I'm not mistaken, was a part of the Union during the Civil War.
March 16, 2009 6:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
I HOPE FINALLY OBOGUS IS GOING TO GET KICKED OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND JAILED ALONG WITH ALL THE LIARS AND FRAUDSTERS THAT GOT THIS FAKE ELECTED!
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91763
http://defendourfreedoms.org/letterHolder.htm
March 16, 2009 5:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
To all my good friends at TPM: Stop getting mad at Republican diversionary tactics! It's like it's 1995 all over again. The Republicans have no portfolio against a popular sitting President with visionary plans for an ailing U.S., so they schedule a Presidential Death by a Thousand Cuts. And it worked against Bill Clinton: history recalls the bizarre tales and whisper campaigns, and manages to forget the pedestrian but substantial accomplishments. To wit: Troopergate, Whitewater, the Stained Dress, and my personal favorite, the Clinton's vicious Murder of Vince Foster. Do you happen to recall the time, thought, and tears wasted in wrestling with these non-issues?
When are we going to figure it out? Stop wasting your mental energy running the play. Republicans HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER the American people. Let them collapse of their own weight and let Obama get on with his history-making presidency.
March 16, 2009 8:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not angry with them about this birth certificate madness. I'm actually enjoying watching them make fools of themselves. They are fringe nutters and mainstream Republicans (the few that remain) are embarrassed by all of this cloak and dagger craziness.
They are only making themselves more irrelevant and a bigger joke.
March 16, 2009 9:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm with you, FreeRider. It just makes me sad to see us good people crafting baroque logical arguments in response to what are simply scattershots from the right against Obama, when all the wingnuts are doing is hoping one pellet will by sheer luck go through his heart. In this respect a British system of "loyal opposition" would serve us, as the Republicans couldn't spend four or eight years taking potshots against the President without forwarding a plan of their own.
My other concern is while I too see Republican politics as a sick joke and marginal and irrelevant, I'm frightened by the weirdly large group of Americans this set of tactics and policies has energized. Aren't you?
March 16, 2009 9:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Recently an active U.S. Army Officer, who is risking his life in defending our country in Iraq, has joined my upcoming legal action aimed at unsealing Barack Hussein Obama’s, aka Barry Soetoro’s, (Obama/Soetoro) legal status and eligibility/legitimacy for the presidency of the U.S. I have brought a number of actions that are now in different stages of litigation, stating that Obama/Soetoro is illegitimate for presidency, as the president needs to be a ‘natural born’ citizen - one who is born in this country to parents (plural, both) who are citizens of this country.
This definition was recently unanimously confirmed by the U.S. senate in Senate resolution 511, presented by Senator Leahy in April 2008, as Senator McCain sought his legitimacy for the presidency to be verified, and Mr. McCain therefore presented his long version original birth certificate.
Mr. Obama’s father was never a U.S. citizen; he was a citizen of Kenya (a British colony at a time) here in the U.S. on a student visa, which by itself made Obama/Soetoro ineligible for presidency, regardless of whether he was born in this country or Kenya, or whether he later lost his U.S. citizenship while immigrating to Indonesia and obtaining Indonesian citizenship (by being adopted and naturalized), and later reaffirming his Indonesian citizenship while traveling on an Indonesian passport as an adult, and also most likely obtaining taxpayer funded financial aid as a Foreign Exchange student from Indonesia. (Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and any U.S. citizenship would therefore have to be relinquished). Additionally, Obama/Soetoro’s paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, and the Ambassador from Kenya, Peter Ogego, made statements that he was born in Kenya, and there is no record of him being born in any hospital in HI. HI Statute # 338 allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth (COLB), and those can be obtained based on a statement of one relative only.
Additionally, statements by Ron Polarik and private investigator Jose Barro, showed numerous signs of forgery on the short version COLB posted by Obama/Soetoro, and Forensic Document expert Sandra Line has issued an affidavit that Obama’s place of birth cannot be ascertained without seeing the original birth certificate. Dr. Chiyomi Fukimo, director of Health department for the the State of Hawaii, obviously colluded with Obama/Soetoro and issued a statement that Obama has a birth certificate on file, but intentionally refused to provide clarification, whether it is a birth certificate for a foreign born child of a Hawaiian resident, whether it was prepared based on hospital records or statement of one relative only, or whether it is an amended birth certificate, created upon Obama/Soetoro’s adoption by Lolo Soetoro, his Indonesian stepfather, and showing him a citizen of Indonesia. You can see in the exhibits a copy of a short birth certificate supplied by FactCheck, changed from Barack Hussein Obama to Barack Hussein Obama Bin Ladin within 15 minutes and based on that ‘garbage’ (using Obama’s own words) this foreigner was sworn in to be the President, Commander in Chief of all Armed Forces, in charge of our Nuclear weapons.
Based on these facts, the short version Certification of Life Birth posted by Obama/Soetoro on his web site, is totally worthless in proving that he was born in HI, and there is still a need to unseal his long version (vault) birth certificate that is supposed to have corroborating evidence such as a name of the hospital, name of the doctor, three signatures and a seal on the front of the document.
It is my understanding that 42 legal actions were filed in federal courts, and probably more in different state courts, seeking prove of Obama/Soetoro’s eligibility, and Obama/Soetoro has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorney’s fees seeking to keep his vital records concealed, and attorneys for plaintiffs were harassed and intimidated, and the logical question is why? If he was an honest person and had nothing to hide, if he is really legitimate for the presidency, why not show those vital records and move on?
Recently you, Mr. Holder, made a speech, stating that the U.S. is a Nation of ‘cowards’, as far as the issue of race goes. You might be right on that, Mr. Holder, as Obama/Soetoro’s campaign and administration shamelessly harassed and called everybody standing up and questioning his legitimacy ‘racists’, and many of our politicians acted as cowards and backed off. I hope that you, Mr. Holder, don’t act as a coward and instead verify the above facts brought forward by me, and demand Obama/Soetoro’s immediate resignation or removal from office due to fraud and Constitutional ineligibility. National security and national survival depends on your expedient actions, as Obama/Soetoro releases violent terrorists from GITMO, allocates 900 million dollars to Gaza, ruled by radical Hamas terrorists, and signs an Executive Order that would provide expedient U.S. citizenship, and bring hundreds of thousands of Hamas terrorists to this country.
AND YOU IDIOT LIBERALS WONDER WHY LIBERALS NEVER LASTED TO BUILD ANY GREAT SOCIETY IN THIS WORLD.
BECAUSE EACH TIME A CONSERVATIVE CREATES SOMETHING YOU SEND A PARASITE/VIRUS LIKE OBOGUS IN TO DESTROY IT.
WAY TO GO!!!!!!!
March 16, 2009 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink