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House Republicans To Force Geithner's Hand on AIG Negotiations

Have you been wondering whether Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner is leaving some key details out in the chronology of his negotiations with AIG CEO Edward Liddy?

Since Geithner knew about Liddy's plans to pay out the company's now-infamous bonuses before they became public on Saturday -- and since the bonuses have been common knowledge in the media for months -- it's worth asking how directly Treasury was involved in okaying the payouts.

But it's too bad for Democrats that Republicans are the ones seeking the information.

Reps. Steven LaTourette (R-OH) and Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) introduced a resolution of inquiry today that would force Geithner to reveal the full extent of his department's communications with AIG.

The resolution would affect not just talks over bonuses but about the very structure of the Federal Reserve's investment in the company -- which appears to have included built-in limitations on the government's influence over management.

This is the real deal, folks: resolutions of inquiry (ROIs) are a crucial procedural tool for the minority party to seek information from the executive branch. Democrats did this during the Valerie Plame/Spygate scandal and the debate over the Bush administration's extraordinary rendition. The Congressional Research Service found in a November study that ROIs oftentimes succeed in prying out information even if they fail on the House floor.

But could Democrats conceivably vote against LaTourette and McCotter's move?


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Have you been wondering whether Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner is leaving some key details out in the chronology of his negotiations with AIG CEO Edward Liddy?

Well, a little, but aren't we skipping over something?

The U.S. government seized control of American International Group Inc. -- one of the world's biggest insurers -- in an $85 billion deal that signaled the intensity of its concerns about the danger a collapse could pose to the financial system.

Wall Street Journal, September 16, 2008.

I know it's the thing to do these days, blame Geithner for just about everything connected to the bailouts that don't seem to be working, but this bullshit started four months before he became Secretary. Are the Republicans as interested in what Hank Paulson did, or did not do?

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It is reported that Geithner was in on that deal.

He wasn't in charge, but he was in on it. Spitzer makes a nice simple case, read the Spitzer article linked at the top of this blog:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/eds/2009/03/the-out-to-lunch-crowd-re-aigf.php

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But this Administration wasn't.

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Well, the context is about Geithner personally. The overall chronology doesn't start with his confirmation as Sec. Since he was in on the Sept. deal, that should count.

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That's not an unfair take given the topic's title, but I was referencing the headline on the main page:

How Big A Price Will Obama Pay For AIG Fiasco?

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Co-sign, underline, hooray, I'm going to bed!

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Well, you're not looking at the local context:

"Have you been wondering whether Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner is leaving some key details out in the chronology "

from the comment to which I had replied. That's clearly referencing G.

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You are correct. There is so much content to read on so many sites that often skim instead of peruse.

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It is sad. It reminds me of 1993 when it seemed that Democrats were Bill Clinton's biggest critics. Every time Democrats take power they make sure the public at large soon come to regret it, from their own mouths.

The final result of all this will be lost House and Senate seats, and Democrats apparently don't care. It is more important to be OUTRAGED than to be in charge during the most important legislative program in our nations' history. Bring Obama down a peg! That's how we'll get health care, EFCA, carbon taxes, and wall street/ government reform passed.

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Now Republicans in Congress want information from a Democratic administration.

What a swell opportunity to give them the big, stiff Cheney/Rove finger.

Executive privilege !!

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My God, Elena. You belong on cable news. EVERYTHING is a huge deal to you.

All of this outrage over what amounts to one-tenth of one percent of the bailout money is just stupid self-aggrandizing theater.

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Perhaps, and technically so.

But a number of freinds have made similar remarks to me of late: I never saw I'd see the day in America where rich people would be so reviled.

For those who would like to see a reduction in corporate influence over public policy, this tiny amount seems to be acting like the missing scale in Smaug's belly, and few mourned the passing of that beast.

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Then those friends haven't been paying attention. They've been reviled for quite a while, friend.

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Regardless of the actual amounts involved, the optics are terrible, and like it or not, optics matter.

The much ballyhooed plan that Geithner announced was very short on specifics and has pretty much disappeared from the radar screen. I hope like hell that behind the scenes they're making all the right decisions, because from here they appear to be drifting without any clear idea of what to do besides to keep throwing money at them.

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Actually, Elena's article goes way beyond the latest flap about the "bonuses". Try rereading the article. For more reading:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/eds/2009/03/the-out-to-lunch-crowd-re-aigf.php

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On one hand I think you're right that worrying about a fraction of 1% is misplaced attention in the midst of a crisis.

On the other hand, the horribly corrosive incentives towards criminality need to be corrected and people held accountable. It was their criminal objective to enrich themselves by skimming only a small fraction which caused the total sum to be so poorly managed, bringing down the global economy.

There's also the problem of whether or not we need to retain the very crooks that got us into this mess.

Hate to make a Nazi analogy, but a similar dilemma occurred after WWII, whether or not to employ the Nazi spooks and their network against their long time enemies, the Soviets. As it worked out the Nazi spooks were concerned only with self preservation and sent us chasing our tails against inflated and outright false intel for decades.

I think there's a similar dilemma now with AIG financial spooks. What incentive do they really have to fix this mess so long as they're highly compensated to fix a mess of their own making, generally reviled otherwise, and fully capable of perpetuating?

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"What incentive do they really have to fix this mess so long as they're highly compensated to fix a mess of their own making, generally reviled otherwise, and fully capable of perpetuating"

Very, very good question.

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Actually, Geithner was involved in the original AIG bailout which had set the terms for the bonuses to be doled out.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=antGHYUBhUn4&refer=home

Bernanke turned to Geithner, 47, president of the New York Fed, to carry out the rescues of Bear Stearns Cos. and American International Group Inc., and to help stem market turmoil after the decision to allow Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. to fail. Geithner was involved in the weekend’s government rescue of Citigroup Inc. and oversees most of the Fed’s special lending programs set up this year to channel more than $1 trillion to banks and other financial institutions.

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Bernanke turned to Geithner, 47, president of the New York Fed, to carry out the rescues of Bear Stearns Cos. and American International Group Inc., and to help stem market turmoil after the decision to allow Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. to fail.

From what I can tell Geithner was asked to carry out the rescue package not create one. Don't let your dislike of Geithner get in the way of of the big picture. This is starting to look like a hit job.

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I also agree this focus on Geitner is really ad-hom and a distraction to policy. We should be discussing the ramifications of policy, not second guessing various people's intent, which is a fool's game.

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Well, I'm just shocked. Who could possibly have foreseen that the Republicans would find a way to score major political points after Democrats and liberal bloggers tossed aside all sense of perspective and tore into this thing like a pack of rabid weasels?

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Co-sign. This beginning to look like some manufactured controversy.

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It's really amazing that we have all these Democrats now opposing transparency and happily directly transferring millions more dollars into the pockets the filthy rich greedheads who have brought our economy to the brink of collapse.

Obama refuses to be the least bit transparent about what is happening with AIG, and he even refuses to explain why the lack of transparency is necessary. He and Geithner deserve every bit of criticism they're getting, and more.

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Ummm, you realize this is all Bush crap that Obama's having to unravel right? The money was granted and rules set under a previous administration - one that treated transparency like a whore with the clap and a big 'ole herpes sore.

Don't like Geithner much either. But let's stay on this side of reality.

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That may be true, but for better or worse, it's his mess now, and he'll be judged based on how well he handles it. So far I'm not impressed.

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Sorry, but that sounds exactly like the Republican talking points. Taking spin and turning into supposed "defacto".

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I agree with mans_best_friend. From a PR perspective this has been handled horribly. Yes the Republicans are exploiting it, so what? Fair or not, the Obama Administration--and by extension his agenda--is going to take a big hit if they don't start looking more competent with this issue.

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So far actually I think they're doing a rather incredibly great job of handling an impossible task.

It's like a flaming bag of shit left on your doorstep. Stamp it out or let it burn. There's no way to make this into a PR "win."

That's why the Republicans are doing nothing but sitting back and taking pop-shots, and some dopes are actually falling for it.

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So far? You mean you thought Obama should already be on top of this worldwide economic crisis; have it solved and everything publicized within 60 days of being in office? Wow, no wonder you are disappointed, your expectations were ridiculously unrealistic.

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No. I have no problem with investigating this issue. I personally think that the Obama administration handled this issue badly but I also feel like if you are going to do an investigation then Bernanke and Paulson should also be asked questions, not just Geithner. This AIG business started last year.

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By "perspective," I would mean the fact that they're trying to pull us out of a dealth spiral somewhere on the good side of 10% unemployment, a death spiral caused by a multi-trillion dollar hole in the economy, and yet everyone has their dudgeon on over the failure to devote all their attention to making sure a lousy couple of hundred million from flowing into the pockets of the evildoers.

Jesus people, if this is the worst thing or the most important thing that happens in this ongoing economic shitstorm, count yourselves lucky.

It's like being mad at a fireman working inside a burning house because he didn't stop to put out a cigarette left burning in an ashtry because cigarettes are so horrible and reprehensible.

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No one is saying "all of their attention" should be paid to the bonus issue.

But are you really arguing that the bailout funds should not be structured so that the specific individuals causing the "shitstorm" don't profit from their malfeasance to the tune of millions of dollars directly paid to them by the government?

Obama is letting arrogant, co-opted fucks like Geithner and Summers dictate his economic policy, and it's killing him politically. I don't see why we should just shrug our shoulders and say things could be worse.

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You're really getting this wrong.

If there was collusion a year ago at AIG to give cushy payments disguised as retention contracts, that can come out and be prosecuted. It's not really Obama's or Geithner's job to micro-manage every little detail here.

0.1% of the taxpayer money, and about 0.01% of the market value at risk a year ago in the CDS section (never mind the Interest Rate Swaps section).

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I fail to see how provisions in the bailout preventing payment of goverment funds directly to the perpetrators of this fraud on the economy constitutes "micro-managing." Seems more like common sense to me.

You can argue that these bonuses were inevitable due to the rushed setup of the TARP program and the Fed bailout initially. What you can't deny is that it's galling in the extreme to see these criminals walking away from their crime with millions of government dollars in their pockets.

What the apologists for these bonuses fail to acknowledge is, whether the outrage on cable news is real or manufactured, this could be a huge political problem that hamstrings future large-scale action to rescue the economy. Americans accepted the billions in bailout money because they were told it was the only way to prevent economic catastrophe. You can't seriously argue that these bonuses were necessary in that regard.

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Well actually, given the amount of all bonus outrage all the time raving I've been seeing nonstop on this blog, on cable, in the papers and every damn where else I've looked, I'd have to disagree with you. From the coverage, it looks an awful lot to me like believe that this should have been the absolute bar none top priority of Obama, Geithner, Summers and every damn other person in the executive branch.

Worst case scenario: they dropped the ball on a couple of hundred million while they were trying to keep a couple of trillion dollars worth more in the air.

It leads one to suspect that all the fury is because bad stuff is happening and people are scared and desparately in need of a scapegoat, and blaming Jews or Gypsies is so Twentieth Century.

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Perfect analogy. I feel like the media, including TPM, are manipulating the public and telling us how outraged we are over these retention payments. As someone who has lived in the south my whole life, mob anger turns me cold. And as for Geithner, I think the guy is working his ass off in a crisis that nobody understands and getting kicked from both sides...on the right and left. I guess we should be happy the lynching is bipartisan. Finally the two extreme idologues have come together in agreement--Geithner is the devil.

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Since Geithner knew about Liddy's plans to pay out the company's now-infamous bonuses before they became public on Saturday -- and since the bonuses have been common knowledge in the media for months -- it's worth asking how directly Treasury was involved in okaying the payouts.

Interesting. Considering everyone (media, republicans, etc.) has known about the bonuses for months, isn't it more germane to ask "Why is the media pushing this now instead of last December when it could have made a difference?"

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If everyone (media, Republicans) did know all of this, then the outrage is just fake, and designed to score political points.

Wow. Color me stunned.

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Really, Elana, can you differentiate between bonuses and retention payments? Just because some doofus in Congress wants to call them bonuses doesn't make them bonuses. These were contractual payments negotiated in early 2008 that the REPUBLICANS and idiotic Democrats want to deny.

And do you see no difference between the Treasury and the Federal Reserve? You seem to be using the two interchangeably--as if they refer to the same group of folk and the same responsibilities.

Here's a question for you, Elana. Does a ROI only pertain to the executive branch (Treasury) or can it also apply to the Federal Reserve (Bernanke) who in September 2008 made the offer to the AGI board?


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This comment thread is an example of the confusion and conflicting impulses that seem to be circulating in the blogosphere. You have righties calling for transparency and soaking the rich, you have lefties minimizing the bonus scandal and calling for stonewalling, and people of all stripes pushing the story.

On this latter point, maybe other readers of TPM have noticed this site pushing a definite angle on this narrative that seems to be ginning up a sense of danger for Obama. This Elana Schor article is the latest example, but also recall the "Obama fails to block bonuses" meme that TPM was hyping this morning, by linking to a WSJ article that didn't say anything like that.

I'm getting to the point where I think we need to take a breath and consider whether the information we're getting is a little suspect. And maybe the Obama folks will be recalibrating too when the Prez takes to the airwaves on Leno and 60 Mins this week.

In the meantime, TPM needs to stop channeling their inner Drudge on the banking issue.

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And then we have "concern trolling" such as your comment.

Enuf?

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Wha?

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TPM lovin' the drama? No. It cannot be!

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Unfortunately, it's not just TPM pushing this angle. This threat of Obama losing huge political capital on this issue has been gracing not only headlines in the MSM, but foreign media as well. Checkout the British take on this to see the phenomenon.

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I agree, and it's no surprise that the MSM would take hold of this story. Aside from the obvious newsworthiness of the AIG bonuses, there's more likelihood for the story to stay alive as commenters from right, left and center have incentives to keep it going.

What was annoying today was the usually sharp reporting on TPM to read a little bit extra into the news, as they did with the WSJ this morning. And I say this as a fan.

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I heard Rush Limbaugh today suggesting that these bonuses are the same as earmarks. Aside from the utter idiocy of that comment --he was defending the bonuses. The odd thing is, since the Democrats won the White House and Congress, Limbaugh has been a HUGE (ROFL, I know) critic of earmarks.

So, apparently, now el Rushbo supports earmarks --and A(p)IG bonuses.

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I voted for Obama and support the majority of his agenda but I have to admit that he is in danger of severely dropping the ball of this TARP/Bailout issue. During the campaign when the first bailout was being pushed through congress he stated that there needed to be transparency and accountability.

Last I checked we, the taxpayers, still don't know where the vast majority of the billions spent have gone, and we have no idea what the companies who received the money have done with it, other than pay bonuses.

If he doesn't exert control over companies receiving bailout money the american public will start to judge him harshly for what this is turning out to be - which is literally giving the guys who got us into this mess taxpayer financed blank checks.

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JR,

Obama didn't have control over the TARP when it first passed when he was preaching transparency during the campaign.

My fear though is that he did come out after inauguration to state there would be more transparency and a legislative prohibition on executive pay. The problem is, the provision had NO TEETH.

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He did have control though, the first TARP was Bush's proposal but the democrats controlled the house and senate so they essentially wrote the bill. If you remember Paulson sent over to congress basically a 3 page terms sheet and democrats turned it into a thousand page document with Reid and Pelosi quarterbacking the process. In my view the bottom line is they preached about accountability and transparency but didn't write that into the bill.

I can't say I didn't see this coming, Obama has a number of Goldman Sachs alumni on his staff and Goldman has made out very very well under the TARP. I think Obama is being naive in a way, I think he really believes in a fundamental goodness of american people, so in his mind, why would people pay bonuses to themselves with taxpayer money when their company and country are tanking. What he doesn't get, but probably will now, and I think this may be a result of him not coming out of corporate environment, but in a corporation all that matters is profit, not common good or long term goals, all that matter is short term profit. If you are an individual in a corporation, then all that matters to you is your own behind, and at the end of the day anyone who has worked in a corporate environment will tell you that people will sell you down the river very quickly and duck and hide to protect themselves. At the end of the day thats what these AIG idiots are doing, protecting themselves and screwing everyone else.

I mean, if someone told you hey I'm going to give you millions of dollars that you can keep, the only thing is you are going to have to listen to a few weeks of people hyperventilating about it in the news but dont worry because in the end they aren't going to do anything to take the money back would you take it? Thats basically what's happening here.

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1.This won't last past this week
2.This MIGHT last a bit longer if they keep that money
3.I hate the "new story" mentality of the MSM. Even though AIG is totally pissing me off I know exactly why the MSM is so outrageous with their coverage.

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Explain?

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This bonus thing is so absurd and beyond the pale. Why on earth are they doing it knowing the major fallout that is occuring?

I think I figured it out. The glory days of million dollar bonuses are over. The glory days of making millions for doing nothing, except destroying a company are over. These people in finance realize it. The bubble has gone up in a mushroom cloud. They will never have the opportunity to make 1/10th of what they made in the past, so they are getting their last couple million out and saying adious, because they will never see these kind of bucks again.

I bet that is what's going on. They know the party is sooo over, so they want their last swipe at the cash. I hope that we start seeing some indictments in the near future. They need to pay this cash to keep these f*ck ups? That's absurd. It's all a game to get as much cash out because the glory days are over.

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If I were about to get 5 million, I could put up with a some outrage and spittle flying in my direction...Hire some security and tell 'em to close the gate. Problem solved.

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Also, you're mistaken if you think the days of the very few making money at the expense of the rest of us are over.

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I think he's mistaken that they realize it's over. I think most of them really, really, really don't get that. I keep coming back to that French aristocrat analogy.

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Bad part is that the Dems and Obama in particular are beginning to look like the economic equivalent on Nevil Chamberlain.

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"appeasement"?

I can see that spin a bit.

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I disagree. Obama has been against this AIG bonus pay, and very vocally, since it emerged in a news story. The problem is consistent messaging, since last Sunday Sumners gave a press conference where he seemed resigned to the fact that the bonus's would have to be paid due to us being a nation of 'laws' and that contractual obligations need to be upheld for there to be trust in the system, or something of equal absurdity.

Sumners was responsible for exacerbating this very bad PR situation, since the very next day Obama came out forcefully saying that he will have Geitner do everything possible to make whole the American taxpayer on this issue.

Sumners should not have been making policy predictions on this explosive issue, and Obama needs to muzzle him, and lambast him for his PR foolishness.

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A, why is it a fiasco, and B, why should Obama pay anything for it. AIG got most of their taxpayer money from the Bushfools.

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Obama pays a price because when they were negotiating the additional $30 billion the gov't was going to give AIG, the subject of bonuses came up and Geithner let them go through.

Geithner is killing Obama politically right now. It's a sad fact and one that he needs to take care of sooner rather than later.

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And replace him with whom?

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Here's a good guideline: someone competent.

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Nonresponsive. Move to strike. And "competent" to manage the P.R. problem caused by a leaking dam that's threatening to collapse or "competent" to keep the dam from collapsing?

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Some political price but he will bounce back has he has every time from "Reverend Wright" to "clinging to guns & religion" to "celebrity ads" to "palling around with terrorists".

Obama should just take responsibility and discuss what needs to be done from this onward including getting back the money and blocking future bonuses.

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But could Democrats conceivably vote against LaTourette and McCotter's move?

Why would they?

As a shareholder, I'd like to know what the terms of the Fed's deal are.

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I suppose it would be poor taste to dredge up the old question of why Obama felt compelled to surround himself with milquetoast moderates and insiders. I'd be content with offering Geithner up for sacrifice any time now.

The Obama camp tends to eventually adjust to new circumstances rather impressively, but they're not quick on their feet. Think back to the first couple years of the Bush administration -- noxious as they were, they were fast as lightning.

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Now there's the goal Obama needs to shoot for--being more like George. Not.

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This is my first post, though I'm a long-time reader.

It's a bit sad to see so many on the site instinctively jumping to Treasury's defense. It's too bad that once the shoe is on the other foot, the fact remains that partisans will be partisans, and a deeper commitment to truth and accountability goes by the wayside. Gotta root for the home team.

The fact is that Treasury - Geithner specifically - is dropping the ball. They've stonewalled transparency at every level, and now it turns out that not only did Treasury know about the AIG bonuses way before the scandal broke, but they were all too familiar with AIG's counterparties. (who are making out like bandits, what with the AIG money on top of the bailout money)

Treasury's innability - or collusion with (these are Goldman boys after all) - to deal with the banks head on is threatening to sink Obama's presidency. Yes, this early in its term. This is most definitely NOT change we can believe in: it's Wall Street - the ruling class - slowly but surely getting away with it. And Obama's Treasury is there every step of the way. Either President Obama gets a hold of the situation, or he's gonna get rolled by it.

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Jeesus friggin' Christ. I'm so damn tired of the speculation to create a story.

When someone says "Have you been wondering whether Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner is leaving some key details out in the chronology of his negotiations with AIG CEO Edward Liddy?" it starts to sound like you're being suckered in by gossip going on around you.

The CBS article you are referring to has the following:

"Ashooh said the retention program does not include anyone in the firm's financial products business, the tiny arm of the company that torpedoed AIG with its high-risk, bad loans."

So, you're now trying to tie two different retention programs together for some reason. Maybe you didn't realize the difference.

The retention bonuses in question today are referring to the financial products business that was previously not to be included.

I heard today on ABC radio that Geithner only found out last week about the bonuses.

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I have the audacity to that hope President Obama pays enough to awaken from his Presidential power drunken stupor and governs as the Progressive he should be.

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I'm going to speak from the gut here: Geithner is a dick. I just cannot stand him on a very basic level. I expect him to pull his rubber face off like one of those alien reptiles in the movie V. You know what I'm talking about.

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I'll take a stab at explaining the uproar over a relatively small part of the bailout package.

What worries people is that millions of dollars of bonus, amounts that may only be earned over a lifetime by most of us, in the face of what seems to be overt criminal fraud is taken by spectators (taxpayors) as proof that the bad guys are still in charge. The sense of impotence in the face of financial rape is palpable. This is the deepest and most essential fear we are all living under, forced as we are to depend on Geithner to protect us from further damage, that he is incapable (or controverted) to the task, witness the bonus.

It is, if you will, a pale but related experience that woman have known since the dawn of the civilization. Not rape, but rape without accountability, no less retribution, watching the perpatrator laughing with the police after the DA refuses to bring charges.

I contend that those who poopoo the reaction underestimate the deep fear and rage this bonus triggers in its victims who, in the face of the almost ridiculuous not to say contradictory statements made by Geithner, are left only with these facts on the ground to judge the progress or lack thereof against what must surely be counted as one of the greatest injuries to civilization in the modern era.

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I'm not pooh pooing it the rage and the fear. I'm openly recoiling from it and counselling against it.

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Because we don't have a responsibility to keep a grip on our fears and anger? We should allow the self-serving media to whip up mass hysteria just to have power over the public. Come on...this too will pass.

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Maybe so. But is the GD principle of the thing that pisses me off.


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