Levin: Detroit & Wall Street Held to Different Standards -- But We Can't Dwell On It
It's an admittedly over-simplified question, but one that's lingered in the background today after the Obama administration insisted on the resignation of GM CEO Rick Wagoner: Is the government insisting on stronger concessions from Detroit than it is from Wall Street, despite the latter's receipt of a far bigger taxpayer bailout?
Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) just told reporters that he believes there has been "a double standard for a long time in terms of the treatment of the financial industry, compared [with] the way the auto industry has been treated. It's something we've fought against ... but something we've got to live with and deal with."
Levin added that it would be a distraction to lament banking CEOs' ability to keep their jobs while boasting managerial records nearly as dismal as Wagoner's (Bank of America chief Ken Lewis and Citigroup chief Vikram Pandit are the names that often spring to mind).
When the senator was asked if he advised the president not to fire Wagoner, however, Levin offered a curious demurral:
The president said he'd decided to do that -- he wasn't asking for advice ... [Obama said Wagoner's ouster] was necessary to signal to the public that there was going to be a real effort here to make a fresh start. There wasn't much of a point in arguing whether it was fair or unfair, wise or unwise.
Levin said the president informed him of today's plans for the U.S. automakers during a "long conversation" that began at around 7:30pm last night, with three other lawmakers participating. It's unclear whether this call is the same one that Politico reported earlier today as including at least three congressional Republicans: Sen. Bob Corker (TN) and Michigan Reps. Fred Upton and Vernon Ehlers.




















Why would Bob Corker be involved in any conversation about Detroit?
As for the double-standard meme? It's not in the background any longer. Front page at Politico and The Page. The "admittedly over-simplified" question of double standards will be the topic du jour for days.
March 30, 2009 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because of Japanese automaker plants in Tennessee maybe (can't remember if it's Toyota or Honda)?
March 30, 2009 2:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet, doesn't that just shout "conflict of interest" if that's the case?
I look forward to all the chattering class comenting about that, if Corker was, in fact, part of the conversation.
March 30, 2009 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
maybe that's where the "more concessions from unions" talk is coming from.
March 30, 2009 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Saturn has a large plant in Spring Hill, Tennessee.
Nissan has a plant in Smyrna, TN.
March 30, 2009 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
This was a helpful post and a fair treatment of what Levin had to say.
But at the risk of sounding shrill today, I'll just point out that the linked story at the top about questions "lingering in the background" was from Elana's earlier TPM post today about the "haunting" double standard. So we are reporting on news of lingering doubts that we ourselves have insisted should linger.
March 30, 2009 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Levin believes the double-standard is "somethin (sic) we've got to live with and deal with." Why? Because the powers-that-be say so? While they may hold power, that doesn't mean the rest of us have to "live with and deal with" it.
The fact that Corker was apparently involved tells me all I need to know; union-busting at its best.
March 30, 2009 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Union busting how? I am not being provocative, just curious.
March 30, 2009 2:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rick Wagner is a UAW member, remember? Oh, he's not. Well, never mind. It's still a conspiracy to bust the unions to force the CEO out.
March 30, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a right-to-work state, Tennessee's Corker has argued (from his website) that "the union would have to agree to match the labor costs of foreign automakers operating in the U.S. Like Nissan, Toyota and, soon, Volkswagen. Because if the union didn't agree to cuts, they'd end up with no contract and a bankrupt company."
http://tinyurl.com/cuarc3
What he doesn't mention is the health-care compensation that is part of the UAW's agreement; that health-care piece isn't necessary in Japanese or European labor contracts because of their national health-care components.
March 30, 2009 3:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the company goes belly-up, what will it matter that the union renegotiated a bargaining agreement? But those concessions will then be in place, and will set the table for any future renegotiations.
Corker: it's the unions who make Honda and Toyota have to pay the wages and benefits that they do. If we can completely neuter the unions, well, labor will get a lot cheaper, for everyone.
March 30, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a double standard because the Detroit 3 is seen as a regional issue, so all Reps from States without Detroit 3 plants wanted to slam them, especially in the japanese auto states, as the US is essentially bailing out their competition. Whereas everybody has a stake in the bank bailout mess.
Bank CEO's did lose their jobs - I don't know why folks are acting like they didn't.
March 30, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and no...yes, the midwest will feel it worst. But, no, it will be felt across the country, and therefore isn't just regional, in a ripple effect with the businesses that supply/depend on Detroit's output.
March 31, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
How is this any different than the CEOs of AIG, Fannie & Freddie leaving last year before those orgs were given additional govt funding?
I just do not get this whole idea of double standards here?
Once the bank stress tests are completed in April, there will be further bank liquidation.
And other heads of banks will leave then, too.
March 30, 2009 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Levin's right. Financial companies have been treated like insiders while auto companies have been treated like naughty children. Did the CEO's of Citigroup et al have to resign? Of course not; they run the Treasury Department.
March 30, 2009 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
You ignore the forced ouster of CEOs for Freddie, Fannie & AIG.
You ignore the fact that nearly 20 banks have been allowed to fail in 2009.
You ignore the fact that GM & Chrysler have been unprofitable for decades.
You ignore the fact that the auto industry has fought every effort to reform for the past 30 years.
You ignore the fact that most people here didn't give a flying fig about Wagner just 3 months ago.
Yes, there's a double standard alright!
March 30, 2009 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
GM and Chrysler "have been unprofitable for decades." NOT TRUE. They were extremely profitable in the 1990's, which was the last decade. GM also made profit in 2002 of $3.1 billion and 2003 of $1.2 billion.
http://www.themanufacturer.com/us/content/1971/General_Motors_profits_slightly_down_in_fourth_quarter?PHPSESSID=d494d7ba04e58b221715dfdd4683f5b4
March 31, 2009 6:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
oh please, Levin is no one to talk about anyone else's double standards!
no politician has single-handedly helped do as much direct environmental damage as Levin. he has fought and fought and fought against sensible environmental regulations for years just to pander to the auto giants' CEOs. obviously he wasn't doing this for the workers!
and now he's all mad that this guy who has done a demonstrably terrible job is being forced out?
spare us, Mr. Levin.
March 30, 2009 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
>>no politician has single-handedly helped do as much direct environmental damage as Levin. >>
Perhaps you would be taken more seriously if weren't so prone to exaggeration.
March 30, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
All the auto CEO's weren't asked to leave, just one.
Must have more to do with the individual company rather than "the auto industry."
March 30, 2009 3:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
True only the GM guy was asked to leave but not Chrysler.
March 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
The new president of GM said the company would take whatever steps necessary to save itself including bankruptcy
That may well be why Wagoner got s-canned
This is a defacto Chapter 11. The real deal is the club. Avoiding it the carrot
March 30, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wagoner wouldn't sign on to "using" the "bankruptcy code"?
March 30, 2009 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wagoner deserved to go, but that doesn't mean there's not a double standard.
And the Atlantic Monthly article Josh linked to over the weekend explains why.
That's the editorial intro.
Johnson:
But those are "emerging markets", right? Banana republics, Third World stuff.
Johnson does offer a solution -- similar (surprise!) to what Galbraith, Black, Krugman, Stiglitz, et al have been discussing -- break up the megabanks, take insolvent banks into receivership, put toxic (sorry, "misunderstood", uh, "troubled", uh, "legacy") assets into a RTC-style entity, restructured banks placed back into the private sector where they can lend again, dispose of the old executives who brought the mess on, institute curbs on executive pay to prevent the emergence of a new oligarchy; regulate, and tax. In short: restructure the system, and oh btw, squeeze the oligarchs.
He's not optimistic that it will happen, nor am I.
Strap in, folks.
March 30, 2009 8:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
At the end of the day, nationalization is a tabu, and then there's all this rhetoric about how they can't find the personnel, and it's unmanageable, blah blah blah.
Really, nationalization and eco-industrialization with the failing auto companies as a centerpiece in manufacturing, rather than bankruptcy, sounds like the way to go.
It is silly the way liberals and conservatives all consense, purely ideologically but dressed up with polemical sounding excuses, that bankruptcy is better than nationalization. I wonder what polls would show on that, and what the rank and file UAW think.
Then there's the huge chorus of those who have been blaming the UAW -- like the op-ed in the Tues NY TIMES
We privatize prisons and it's a disaster. So what? It's status quo political correctness. Maybe further privatization should be slowed down. We have failing private sector institutions sucking up billions and even hundreds of billions (including backdoor bailouts THRU AIG to its counterparties). Bankruptcy and megaripoffs are OK, even if not ideal. But nationalization? With union and public/consumer reps constituting the majority of the board? Only as a LAST resort, and then only temporarily, with all the bondholders and stockholders protected as pensions are flushed down the toilet
These are some of the reasons I've been a socialist now for over 30 years
April 1, 2009 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink