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Obama Praises Bonus Tax, Looks Forward To Getting Final Bill

President Obama has just released this statement on the House's passage of the bonus tax:

"Today's vote rightly reflects the outrage that so many feel over the lavish bonuses that AIG provided its employees at the expense of the taxpayers who have kept this failed company afloat. Now this legislation moves to the Senate, and I look forward to receiving a final product that will serve as a strong signal to the executives who run these firms that such compensation will not be tolerated.

In the end, this is a symptom of a larger problem - a bubble and bust economy that valued reckless speculation over responsibility and hard work. That is what we must ultimately repair to build a lasting and widespread prosperity."

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OK, that's it! For the first time since November 4, I refuse to kiss his picture before I go to bed tonight!

That'll teach him!

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In the end, this is a symptom of a larger problem - a bubble and bust economy that valued reckless speculation over responsibility and hard work.

TPM may call it "tone deaf" but I think this is what the administration is getting at about the bonuses being a "distraction"-- and I think they're right. The AIG bonuses are a very small part of a very large problem. It would be very easy to become so focused on this small problem that we forget to do anything about the larger problem it is part of. (Certainly this is what the Republicans would like to see happen.) I think Obama is trying to get people to refocus on the large problems-- to make sure the rage people have right now gets channeled toward something productive, instead of just being channeled at the easiest target.

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I don't get this "tone deaf" issue. It is Obama's voice that the people hear and he's been saying he's mad and that we all should be mad. No one cares who Axelrod is and they are not glued to the tv waiting to hear what Axelrod says. When I say no one I mean the people who don't take a serious interest in politics.

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And if folks actually read what Axelrod and Emanuel said instead of reading the sensationalistic headlines or cherrypicked out-of-context quotes the blogs are pushing they'd realize that they're not missing the point at all. They're just not getting caught up in the feeding frenzy and asking folks to have some damn perspective.

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I didn't bother to read the articles. Having watched Axelrod during the campaign, I would never say he was tone deaf so I knew it was an exaggeration, but thanks for confirming my initial thoughts.

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In fairness, these employees should have known to forgo and/or return their bonuses before receiving federal money. That would have increased public support for bailing them out.

Also, Treasury should have understood the explosiveness of this political issue -- although it is merely sybolic with having a taxpayer stake in the profits being the main issue. Still, it's understandable that a guy who is trying to hire people under him, figure out a plan for our toxic assets, for housing, and for the auto industry, and sell the President's ambitious budget to Capitol Hill missed this symbolic issue.

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As much as I hate these huge bonuses (for good or bad work), I don't understand how the government can tax a specific group that made over $250,000 bonus and not other people that made over $250,000?

Seems like a supreme court case to me.

Perhaps it would help to read the bill?

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Why can the government tax cigarettes but not fruit?

Why can the government tax the group of people who don't have children more than the group of people who do?

Why can the government tax power companies who produce their power using coal sharply more than power companies who produce their power using wind (much of the money to renewable energy in the stimulus came in the form of tax credits)?

If the law had somehow only targeted the employees financial products group at AIG, maybe there would be some kind of alarm here of the kind you describe. I don't know. But the law as passed is broad and generic enough there doesn't seem to be anything unusual about it to me.

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Josh seems to be in high "Drudgeon" lately. "Mortifying impotence"? Geezus, man. I agree this whole episode sucks on many levels, but really.

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Am I the only one that thinks this might just be legislating out of anger?

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Yes, even Thom Hartman, bleeding heart liberal, is warning against using the tax code as a weapon.

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Well, for every victory at Trenton, there's the march of British troops into Philadelphia.

This was not a sweet week for Obama. Events got ahead of him, and water washed over the gunrails at times. He seemed reactive, not proactive, and it reminded me of the Saturday, Sunday, and Monday after the Reverend Wright shit hit the fan.

Which, I note, was also supposed to politically end Obama, but did not.

I have had my beefs with this site and others, not so much for the outrage at the AIG mess, but for the easy blame we now dispense at times of incredibly complex problems at the feet of those who are apparently (but perhaps imperfectly) trying to clean up what is a financial Superfund-type mess. "Deep Thought: Volcker?" Disappointing.

I expect progressives and progressive blogs to be a bit more reasoned in their analysis, but everyone went to the pitchforks on this one (except Al Giordano).

And that includes this site. Which is too bad.

But hey, no one's perfect.

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I'm certain that the founders would be horrified by shit like this - ie, using the tax code to punish a select group of individuals. No matter how you slice it, that's what this is. I would have rather Obama defended Geithner's reasons for asking Dodd to moderate his amendment and then re-focused the American people on the real reasons behind our economic mess. But I guess it was easier for all parties to get behind this reactionary, populist BS. O well. Vengeance is served, even though this will do nothing to solve any of our problems. I hope that Obama continues to focus on the bigger issues - let Congress waste their time on silliness like this. Perhaps the anger this episode generated towards Wall St. will help to remove the fears Obama seems to have around putting some of these insolvent institutions into receivership. And let's get Timmy some staff to work with already!

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The founders would be horrified by the income tax, period. Shall we abolish it, then?

Get your head out of the 18th Century, please.

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Notice how the President doesn't say he will sign the bill. I'm sure he's betting on the Senate to kill it.

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From the careful language that he uses I think he knows that whatever bill he signs, it will not be this 90% tax. Howard Fineman on KO says its unconstitutional and without knowing that fact, I wouldn't have voted for it. It just seems over the top and it is legislating out of anger - and Obama said it in his statement -"Today's vote rightly reflects the outrage that so many feel over the lavish bonuses that AIG provided its employees at the expense of the taxpayers who have kept this failed company afloat."

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Supposedly on Leno tonight Obama really steps in it while trying to be funny. When Leno asks about his bowling and if he's getting better, Obala remarks he's getting 128 and says "I know that's like the Special Olympics" (or something to that effect).

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*Obala = Obama

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Oooohhhhh. We have an international incident on our hands! Will Obama be impeached for joking that Special Olympic participants don't measure up to athletes in the regular Olympics? This will take his poll numbers down by 25 points and his budget won't pass now.

Man, I get sick of folks acting like *anything* Obama says or does that is not exactly pitch perfect is the end of the fucking world!

He's human! He makes mistakes. The vast majority of the world knows and expects that. The only people who get their panties in a knot over this shit are left-wing pussies who still think the repugs are competent and right-wing dicks.

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Dear Senator ___________ :

I'm writing about the outrage about AIG "bonuses" and the House bill just passed today. This is a bogus issue, it is a red herring (Spitzer and others agree with me).

I consider myself a progressive. But I urge you strongly to reject any similar Senate bill which might be put forth. This way is not the right way forward.

The House bill represents lynch mob politics. Do your job as a Senator as envisioned by the Founding Fathers. Keep such a bill from going to President Obama.

Find another way to keep big companies in line and keep the public in favor of the new direction in America.

Sincerely,

[me]

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This site is turning into a surrogate for Rush Limbaugh. It's turned into a drum beat of attack Obama. It's getting sickening and disgusting.

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Despite the loud cries of the anti-tax crowd, the purpose of this bill is not to punish individuals. The purpose is to recoup public funds that are not being used for their intended purpose.

Remember, we are talking about zombie institutions here. (If the $5 billion isn't high enough to exclude all but the zombies, then that should be changed.) These employees would be getting only pennies on the dollar on even their basic wages if not for the government intervention. The government is giving them their salary, their benefits and even bonuses within reason. It's ludicrous to say that the government is punishing them because it doesn't want to also give them further bonuses when their salary exceeds $250,000.

The government is providing these individuals with an enormous benefit at taxpayer expense. Calling that a punishment simply because the government recouped some funds from them through taxation elevates form over function.

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Utter nonsense (your comments).

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Utter nonsense (YOUR comment).

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Udder Nonsense!

(Mooo!)

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Parroting is neither parody nor instructive.

My claim stands.

The purpose and motivation is manifestly punishment. Whether it is strictly a bill of attainder or it squeaks by, the intentions of Congress are clear in the public record. The amounts to be "recovered" are a pittance.

Need I say more?

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If you want to advance a plausible argument, then yes, you do need to say more. Writing "utter nonsense" is not making an argument. That's the position of a child covering his ears and screaming, "Nyah Nyah Nyah. I can't hear you!"

The purpose of this bill is not to punish. Its to recoup the funds. There is no effort to take any thing from these individuals other than the public funds, which they never ought to have received.

The only nonsense I see here is the suggestion that people whose salaries are being saved by the government are "punished" just because the government isn't also giving them multi-million dollar bonuses.

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Speaking of tax matters, have you all caught this yet?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/business/20aig.html?_r=1

Here's the headline:

A.I.G. Sues U.S. for Return of $306 Million in Tax Payments

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One TPM reader weighs in: "I'd much rather see TPM and others try to get their arms around the bigger issues... bring clarity to them, and help us all understand. It might make it more bearable and begin a constructive discussion on to how to fix our failed financial system."

In the current editions of Harpers Mag and the Washington Monthly, there are fantastical perspectives put forth on the rise of usury over the past thirty years as well as a very fine, Krugmanesque analysis by James Galbraith (the latter published in the Monthly). Very interesting is what JG has to say re. predictions of Argentine-like inflation. How can inflation take hold in the face of massive deflation in the value of housing, individual's net-worth and massive illiquidity and fear of spending?

Individual comments defending the administration have the scent of rationalization and self deception. Obama's biggest mistake so far is his penchant for playing ball, assembling his team of big boys and insiders and his striking aspect of timidity. This, at a particular time in history when just the opposite is (was) required.

Go and read Galbraith's piece. And the immediate conclusion you'll have is that there is far too much timidity in the White House.
He offers a fine and detailed dissection of the current state of affairs.

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John,

What is there to like about Galbraith's article? It is pompous, illogical, confused, and long-winded, and mostly a rehash of trashy thinking.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2009/0903.galbraith.html

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Right, don't listen to Galbraith, one of the few economists who understood that all was not well in the apparent flush times. Instead, listen to the "moderates" who were wrong yesterday, are wrong today, and will be wrong tomorrow, and who when push comes to shove are no better than Republicans.

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That's not what I said. I said the article is awful, and asked for evidence for what seems to be good about it. You should save your sarcsam.

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Obama, take the offensive. This bonus issue could undue any progress you've made in stimulating the economy. Get Dodd to admit his mistakes and tell Geitner what to do or at least what to say about what he is doing because those two are bringing you down. Oh by the way, stop talking off the cuff about education because it can't be fixed with charter schools where per pupil expenditures look like double what they are in regular public schools and if you think that salaries should be tied to performance for teachers try working out the formula for doing that without opening each and every student's personal file because the teacher teaching the honor's students and the one teaching the gang leaders are going to have to be judged by who they are trying to teach!

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