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Reid Spokesman: Coleman Doesn't Get Another Election

Harry Reid's office is now indicating its displeasure and opposition to Norm Coleman's new attempt to potentially throw out the whole election result in Minnesota.

Said Reid spokesman Jim Manley, in an e-mail to TPM: "Just because Mr. Coleman is not happy with the results of the election/recount doesn't mean he gets to schedule another one."


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Reading Krugman's book "Return to Depression Economics" he calls a prevalence in developing nations called "crony capitalism" insinuating that the connected souls to the political power were given investment advantages in a supposed free market economy. He then said they failed to possess a "moral hazard" in that they believed they got profits without risk or could walk away from the obligations of the investment.

Here Coleman appears to be demonstrating "political cronyism" belief, that his political career lacks a moral hazard in that he doesn't like the results of the vote.

the concept of cronyism seems to be the doctrine of the entire right---wall street to main street and in the Senate.

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you dont need to read a book to know these creeps will anything to hold onto power.

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Since Josh does not have comments to his front page post, he had asked "[a]re the Republicans trying to lay the groundwork for filibustering any effort to seat Franken . . . ." I think for weeks that is obvious that is exactly what is up, even assuming that they can filibuster it. It would be nice to see a post on exactly what the proceedure is, but I think for several weeks its been clear this is simply about never letting Franken be seated.

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of course they cant prevent franken forever.

this is about obstruction which is all the repigs are good at.
a continuation of their "divide the people" is the only way strategy.

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Coleman can now only now get a fair election with electors of his peers if the venue of the election is changed to some other state, Mississippi maybe.

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I don't think it matters one way or another what Reid thinks--this is Minnesota's decision solely.

(ignoring the certification procedure, which happens once the decisions basically made anyway)

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Yea, I don't see how this helps Franken. Reid has no part in the decision of whether to hold another election. The courts may look at this and say, "Who is the senator from Nevada to tell us what to do?" If Reid really wants to help he can stop his bluffing and seat him NOW. The state canvassing board certified Al Franken as the winner nearly two months ago, and Coleman is going to keep dragging this thing out no matter what. Republicans are going to filibuster whether he tries to seat him now, or two months from now so he might as well start the battle and have time and public opinion begin to work on Franken's side rather than against him. The reason Coleman is talking about a new election is because the outcome has remained uncertain for too long. By trying to seat Franken, the focus changes from who actually won the election to the Republican effort to block the seating of duly elected Senator.

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If Reid really wants to help he can stop his bluffing and seat him NOW. The state canvassing board certified Al Franken as the winner nearly two months ago

You guys keep trying to say this, but it just does not work that way. The state canvassing board has only certified the vote totals. Under Minnesota law, no certificate of election can be issued until all legal challenges have run their course. Until there is a certification of Franken's election, Reid can do nothing about seating him.

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Glad to see I'm not the only one who gets that.

Thanx...

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The state canvassing board has only certified the vote totals. Under Minnesota law, no certificate of election can be issued until all legal challenges have run their course.

The United States Congress is NOT bound by all the arcane technicalities of Minnesota State law - especially when it is being used to postpone the inevitable and to deny the citizens of Minnesota full representation in Congress. Coleman has no intention of ever conceding defeat - and the Republican party will make sure he has adequate resources to deny Democrats the 59 votes they need to help stop their ongoing filibuster. The best thing Reid can do is to put the focus where it belongs - on the Republican effort to block the seating of duly elected Senator, rather than on the outcome of an election that has already been decided by the voters of Minnesota.

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Oh, go read the Constitution, Article I, Section 5. Please find the part which says the courts are the judges of the returns, elections and qualifications of the houses of Congress. Oh, it doesn't say that, does it? It says each house of Congress is the judge of the returns, elections, and qualifications of its members. That is what it says. Now, what do you suppose it means? could it possibly mean that if the Senate, of which Mr. Reid is the purported majority's purported leader, wanted to seat Mr. Franken (assuming he wins the contest and is still ahead after the "revised" recount), then the Senate COULD seat SENATOR Franken. The federal courts, under the separation of powers, can't prevent that.

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Oh, nuts. I missed the point of somebody else's post again. Now I have to stay off for a week of penance again. Lucky for you all. But lucky for me, this soap opera will still be running next week.


Plaudits: Al Franken received recognition from Minnesota's Deaf and Blind voters for having the most accessible campaign--I think it was mentioned in the Star Tribune.

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The Republican Party is right now entirely about small, short term gains that get them nothing in the long run. They pick these little battles, not knowing that their little victories result in a loss of the war.

The Coleman case is exhibit B. When the hulabaloo surrounding Burris was underway, Republicans believed they could score political points by making trouble for the Democrats by making them appear feckless and inept at dealing with the problem of Burris. Thus, the oh-so-concerned statements of Republican members of Congress stating that Burris should be seated, presumably because he was selected and certified. Yes, that did create a short-term win on a stupid little matter, but now that Coleman is looking at loss, they cannot credibly come out and say that Franken, if certified, cannot be seated.

Exhibit A, of course, yet to be played out, is the hue and cry of "upperdown vote" over judicial nominees, and the denouncement of the use of the filibuster to hold up judges. When the time comes, we will find the GOP in the position of threatening filibuster and positioning against up or down votes for Obama's nominees.

Exhausting, this documenting the atrocities is.

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Yeahbut -- since when have Republicans been concerned about being consistent?

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Also, is that a small thread of backbone I see in the Senate Leader's MRI? Goodness me.

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*snort*

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The national Dems need to keep on the message that there is no provision in MN election law for a re-vote. That is the single most significant hole to punch in Quimby's strategy - he's asking for something he can not, under the law, ask for.

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Please tell me that picture of Coleman on the front page was Photoshopped to make him look more like Butthead. Tell me that's not what he really looks like when he thinks no one will be taking his picture.

Shopped or not, Butthead never looked more like a washed-up former senator from Minnesota.

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is it just me tor does norm look like the slightly retarded and morally bankrupt love (hate?) child of john elway and sandra bernhard?

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Personally, I'm waiting for the Coleman camp to question Franken's citizenship.

btw, I loved Josh's comment about the Coleman camp smoking some 'good weed' if they think this is going to work out; Normie's old roadie connections with Grand Funk Railroad or whatever must be coming in handy!

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Even worse - Ten Years After.

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Hey, nothing wrong with Ten Years After. Alvin Lee was one of the best of the White Boy Blues players.

But, I can't see Norm lugging around equipment or doing anything truly constructive. I've got a feeling his roadie career was shortened for not pulling his own weight. Purely conjecture, of course.

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Alvin Lee? Tasteless showboater. Fast does not equal soulful. There are any number of (white) guys in Chicago who could play his ass off a stage six nights a week, and turn the axe over to their kid brother to do it on Sunday.

Now, Elvin Bishop, that's a white guy who can play the blues.

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Hmmm... "Doesn't get another election" sounds an awful lot like "Burris won't be seated." And we all know how that worked out.

Yeah yeah yeah. As much as we'd like to see Burris out, some mystery liberal in AND Franken in, at this point I'll cheer when they are actually seated on Capitol Hill.

Reid, you word would be worth more if you actually kept it.

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I look forward to Colemans next adventure...in criminal court. Please wrap this up so we can move to the episode where Norm Goes to Jail.

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Reid has the option of seating Franken provisionally, and he should do so toot sweet. (Yes, I know that's not how you spell it.)

If rules need to be changed, change them.

Just get of the pot, Harry.

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Changing Senate rules to provisionally seat someone without certification takes a 2/3 majority vote of the full Senate. Do you seriously think that's going to happen? (rhetorical)

And since the real-world answer is "no", the question is not in Reid's hands, and will not be until Franken meets the MN election law certification standard - which amounts to this sorry Quimby-circus ending.

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precisely the process is coming to an end where a court that was chosen from some of the best MN jurists and a constituency equal (1 DFL, 1 GOP, 1 Indy) when it is over and rule....where it should be clear following Franken's response to Coleman's lack of burden will certify the recount.

Then it goes to the Governor to sign the certification....this could lead to a partisan fight where Pawlenty might be brought to court to sign off the certification....from there the Senate then receives Franken.....

this is where the situation goes to Reid....how the Senate filibusters I don't know....

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OFF the pot. Sorry.

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re: franken getting seated. the senate ultimately determines its membership. i believe the senate will seat franken after the coleman loses the contest and his appeal to the MNSC, regardless of whether norm launches a federal appeal.

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I truly wish Harry Reid would shut the f**k up because whenever he says anything (particularly as a threat) it seems the opposite often happens. Reid doesn't have the balls to stand up to anybody and why the Senate Dems keep him in the leadership position puzzles me beyond measure.

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While everyone knows how worthless aggressive comments from Reid are, it's nice to know the national Dems are at least paying attention to Coleman doing the state of MN up the ass without consent.

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