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Coleman's Apparent Argument On Appeal: I Won -- Or Nobody Did

The latest legal filing from Norm Coleman's legal team, officially registering their appeal of his defeat in the Minnesota election trial, seems to contain an interesting pair of contingency plans when it quickly lays out exactly what his case is: That either votes should be counted showing that he is the winner -- or that no winner can be determined at all.

The filing is not a complicated brief, but a quick summary of what Coleman's points will be at a later date. It mainly focused on Coleman's claim that thousands of rejected absentee ballots that he identified ought to be counted, if he can get a standard of admission less than the strict compliance with the law demanded by the court.

But then it adds this:

II. Whether the trial court violated the constitutional protections of equal protection and due process when it declared that Respondent received the highest number of "legally cast votes" where the record demonstrated that, by the trial court's rulings, the number of "illegally cast" ballots counted on election day and during the recount greatly exceeded the margin between the candidates and it cannot be determined for which candidate those illegal votes were counted?

What this means in plain English is that the Coleman campaign wants to overturn the strict standards and get their selected ballots in. But if they can't do so, and are still behind in the count, then they argue that this means there are other absentee ballots already in the count that don't meet these standards. And thus, they would argue, we can't determine who actually won.

Coleman attorney Jim Langdon had previously floated the idea to the trial judges that the election results be "set aside," but they didn't bite. This sort of language, however, shows that they're keeping this line of argument alive.

It's a bit of a heads-I-win, tails-you-lose argument.


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Does TPM have an award for the biggest crybaby? If not, perhaps it would be a good addition.

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If Coleman's legal team has built a record which proves that some counties counted absentee ballots using more lenient that would have been rejected in other counties, then at a gut-level fairness analysis, I think Coleman is right: all absentee ballots should be counted using the more lenient standards. Note: this is not, by any means, a legal analysis; it's just my gut-level feeling about what seems fair. (On the other hand, judges often strive to mold the law to achieve a result that seems fair.)

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Norm doesn't want all ballots counted using the same lenient standards, just the ones from areas perceived to favor him. Everytime he gets ballots in that were initially rejected, Franken's lead grows.

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Right. I almost wish that the election court had just gone ahead and counted absentee ballots (both those identified by Coleman and by Franken) using the most lenient standards applied in any county. I'm not saying that would have been the legally correct result, but it seems fair to me and I bet Franken's lead would be even larger.

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Some of the "lenient standards" that Coleman wants are patently absurd: Proof that you're a registered voter (in a Coleman district) -- who cares? Absentee ballot coming in after the deadline (in a Coleman district) -- how petty of the Court.

This, from the party that would throw a Democratic voter off the voting rolls if he didn't place a period after his middle initial.

If we're indeed down to judgment of signatures -- well those are judgment calls within the purview of the law.

Let's also remember: Coleman's entire mismanaged case was based on their expecting the Court to find their evidence. They did not produce evidence that there was double counting -- just an allegation.

The new Republican strategy is to put all elections in the purview of the courts, which is packed with Bush appointees.

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I agree with you about Coleman expecting the election court to do his job. I wrote something similar below in response to magster.

In terms of what I wrote above that I "almost wish" the election court had done, I wouldn't have had the election court blindly accept every lenient standard suggested by Coleman; instead, only those lenient standards that Coleman proved had actually been applied in one or more counties.

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Point well taken. But this is the Coleman team we're talking about: if they couldn't get ballots counted that came in a week after election day, they wouldn't see satisfied. In other words -- there are no standards for Republicans and Democrats are expected to toe the line on everything.

The Comment below on the difference between an election count and a recount was very instructive. Absentee ballots are not treated the same as the ballots cast the day of the election, where you show up personally and are verified as a real person with a real voter registration. There is every reason to demand reasonable standards for absentee ballots.

Unless you're a Republican.

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Like so many Republican crybabies when the decisions go against them, Coleman wants to follow the law strictly when it is to his advantage and to throw out the Rule of Law when applying the law goes against him.

Don't let his petty whining and delaying tactics get to you. That's another thing he and his team are counting on.

Al's won this, and the Courts will affirm that as long as none of them have a majority of Judges who apply conservative "conservative-always-wins" principles and donates the election to Coleman in some way.

One thing very clear about conservatives - they don't want the Rule of Law applied. That means the Constitution and the existing law become meaningless and we have returned to what Locke called "Arbitrary Rule." Which, of course, means the end of the American experiment as a democratic Republic.

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ADDENDUM to support my final sentence above.

To not even investigate the torture memos and the events surrounding them and simply not bothering to hold those who clearly committed crimes* has the same effect of setting a precedent in which the Rule of Law is destroyed by making it optional and applied only when convenient. So I'd have to say that your wish is a real non-starter for anyone who wants to see the continuation of the democratic American Republic under the Constitution.

* It's not entirely clear that anyone who applied the legal advice given by the Office of Legal Counsel really did commit a crime. That's following the law. The culpable individuals in that case are those who provided bad legal guidance and especially those who directed them and encouraged them to do so.

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And my gut tells me we don't want to walk down that path cause election workers are both Democrats and repuglicans. So if there were some ballots cast aside due to failure to comply with election standards and my candidate was a little behind or a little ahead, I could accidentally open as few ballots I suspect will go for my candidate. And then the snowball has momentum and begins to roll. It's much better to follow the rules. As for questionable ballots that were opened and shouldn't have been, that's for the legislature to draw up new rules to follow in future elections.

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That's a good counterargument to my point. Personally, though, I tend to prefer lenient application of the rules in favor of allowing more votes to be counted (but I could be displaying my biases with that preference given that lenient rules usually favor Democratic candidates).

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A golden pacifier?

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Love it!

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This particular claim merits sanctions, if my understanding of the evidence is correct. The only evidence they have is the county election clerks testifying about different standards. But there is no evidence as to how many ballots were let in because of differing standards. I don't think there is one specific absentee ballot application that team Coleman can point to in the stacks of evidence that definitively prove a vote was illegally counted, let alone who it was cast for. I won't lose any sleep on this claim.

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What is striking to me is that Coleman seems to completely ignore the difference between a recount and an election contest. In a recount, the canvassing boards are taking a completely new (i.e., de novo) look at the ballots. That's not what happens in an election contest; the court doesn't just re-do everything. Instead, the court defers to the canvassing boards and sets aside their results only if the contestant proves that there were abuses of discretion or sufficiently serious discrepancies. Coleman completely ignores this distinction and seems to assert that the court should have taken a fresh look at the ballots with no deference at all to the canvassing boards. Like you, I doubt that this will be a winning argument for Coleman before the MNSCT.

That said, I highly doubt that the MNSCT would impose sanctions. An argument has to be ridiculously bad before courts will take that step. Even when the argument is ridiculously bad, courts still don't seem to impose sanctions unless the party does something extraordinarily irritating that angers the court.

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Excellent point.

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Of course, in the election contest, Coleman's team often gave the impression that it was working very hard to do "something extraordinarily irritating that [would anger] the court." Maybe this time around they will succeed!

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Coleman is leaving out the fact that many of the rejected ballots were originally done so by challenges by his campaign team. Now, he points to the same ballots as the basis of his claim. Nothing like having it both ways.

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That's what I thought. Didn't Camp Coleman agree as to each and every ballot to be considered?

And didn't they agree to agree?

And now they want to go back?

I don't think so. They've stipulated and they can't UNstipulate just because the results undercut them.

I thought there were no two bites at the apple allowed.

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So....does the holding his breath until he turns blue come during the argument phase? Can't wait to see that. Here's an idea Norm, take a deeeeeeep breath and then hold it until you get your way. That will solve all of our problems.

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I don't understand why Coleman hasn't requested that the court simply rules that each vote cast for him counts twice. Seems like a no-brainer.

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Additionally, there is no way to be 100% certain that a voter actually intended to vote for Franken. They may have been confused or drunk. So to balance that out each ballot for Franken should be counted as a 1/2 vote for Al and a 1/2 vote for Norm. It's the only fair way to do it. Equal protection. Disenfranchised voters. Franken eats babies.

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Franken's strategy to be patient and take the high road has been frustrating at times, but is the right call not only for this election but perhaps more importantly for 2014.

The right will try to pull out the "stolen" election in 2014, but it won't wash well give how everyone has seen Coleman have all the rope he could grab to hang himself.

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I'm still amazed that there aren't more people, running around with their hair on fire, about what it would mean, beyond the seating of Franken, were a court to decide that the Minnesota election system violates equal protection.

Minnesota has demonstrated that it is one of the most meticulous and even-paced states, when it comes to achieving accurate results and a measure of fairness and justice ("this isn't Florida"). Yet if it is determined in court that varying local procedures rise to the level of violation of equal protection, this will do nothing less than to codify the fact that it is simply not possible to hold a legal election in the State of Minnesota.

Yes, theirs really is that radical a position. And yes, such a ruling will serve to nullify virtually every state election, past and future, until laws can be passed which rip the system out by its guts and retool it completely. In the interim, all hell will break loose.

And when the reform of that system is completed, Minnesota will have spent untold millions, seeing to it that every burgh from Hibbing to Rochester has a voting system with ironclad rules and regulations.

Which will again be challenged in court, the moment an R receives An Inconvenient Result. For the same reason, essentially, that a dog licks himself. "Suing a ham sandwich", etc. I predict we could bankrupt Minnesota by 2011.

It does not end there.

Minnesota (especially if Scalia and the boyz are the ones making the final court decision, and they do it in Coleman's favor) thus becomes a precedent for invalidating and destroying the election systems of all other 49 states.

In short, the Coleman case is the Republican key to the complete destruction of American democracy. And it's only because my last sentence feels so over-the-top, that there isn't more widespread panic over this possibility; I don't think anyone at this juncture really believes the R's would reduce our republic to chaos, if they had to.

Ask yourself: why would that be? Because the R's are too restrained and genteel to wreak complete Constitutional havoc, in order to achieve permanent power, in a era when their fortunes are just about burnt to a crisp? What evidence do we have that that would likely be the case (and does anyone remember Ben Ginsburg, as one of the MSM's ubiquitous Republican "elves", leading up to the Clinton impeachment?)?

The Coleman fiasco is the AIDS virus of American democracy. It's just that few have extrapolated the whole equation, yet. The Coleman lawsuits are beyond "irresponsible" or "reckless"; beyond "caging", "poll taxes' or any other legendary method of voter suppression ever experienced in this nation; they are the single worst premeditated attack on our Constitutional right to vote. Ever.

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I'm still amazed that there aren't more people, running around with their hair on fire, about what it would mean, beyond the seating of Franken, were a court to decide that the Minnesota election system violates equal protection.

Easy, there. Take a deep breath.

I think this is precisely why the MN CT will rule against Coleman, and why SCOTUS won't want to touch it.

SCOTUS would be on very thin ice if they seated Coleman. They can't. The Senate would tell them to take a flying ffff, and SCOTUS knows it.

Franken's taking the right approach - Let Coleman be the a$$. Let the MN courts do the right thing, according to established law.

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I don't know if it invalidates every election everywhere, but if the SCOTUS invalidates the election based on Coleman's equal protection argument then I think that creates a HUGE opportunity for progressive groups. You want to talk about disparate treatment based on where you live? Ok. Let's talk about the difference between the ratio of voting machines to voters in urban (i.e., low income, minority) areas versus the ratio in rural and suburban areas. Think about the consequences of that.

I suspect that a SCOTUS ruling in favor of Coleman on his equal protection argument would help Democrats in the long term more than the seating of Franken ever could.

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That would be the VERY VERY long term, considering the ages of the current right-wing Justices.

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I don't know about that. If the SCOTUS expanded its equal protection analysis of voting rights broadly enough to give Coleman the relief he seeks, then I would hope to see progressive groups around the nation immediately bringing lawsuits to compel a more equal distribution of voting machines. That could help the Democrats pick up a couple seats in 2010 and could make Florida solidly blue for 2012.

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And when those lawsuits got to the Supreme Court?? Hell, when they got to Bush-appointed judges in lower Federal courts?

I'd like to think you're right, but Bush did a lot of damage to the Federal judiciary and it won't be overcome quickly. It's not branch of government progressives should want to rely too heavily on just now. I personally will breathe a sigh of relief if the Federal district court declines to hear Coleman's case, as I expect will happen.

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Few suits actually reach the SCOTUS. I suspect they would deny certiorari until several circuits have had a chance to interpret their opinion. I'm not as cynical as you about Bush-appointees to the district and appellate courts. If, however, progressive groups don't feel they'll get a fair hearing in federal court, they could always bring their suit in state court.

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I've made this point at DKos, but with far less your cogent writing and reasoning skills.

This is a very important point: The yahoos who have yelled "state's rights" now want a meticulous system where everything is standardized to the nth degree.

Of course, the problem is Bush v. Gore -- the worst piece of judicial reasoning the U.S. has ever seen. Now, Florida was a mess with very unequal standards across the state (as is true of almost all states, I believe). But their assertion that the standards was a violation of equal protection is the basis of Coleman's claim. The Supreme Court twisted logic and law to assert an equal protection claim against the clear spirit of that law.

If, God forbid, Coleman prevails at all, this Comment is exactly right -- elections as we perceive them in a democracy are a thing of the past.

If we had a few decent standard bearers (pardon the pun) in our Democratic majority to make this case, we'd have a far more balanced view of this case.

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Al Gore really did win the election in 2000, both nationally and in Florida. Had he fought as hard as Coleman, and had he demanded that ALL of Florida's votes be re-counted, there would have been no Equal Protection fig leaf for the SCOTUS republicans to rely upon. No Iraq War, no Abu Graihb, no waterboarding, no oil companies writing energy and environmental policy, no warrentless domestic wiretaps, no Presidential signing declarations of unconstitutionality, no CDick Cheney, etc, etc. Politics is all about seizing and using power. Coleman knows that, Gore did not. Ridicule and berate Coleman as we might, I wish Gore had been a little more like him when it mattered.

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I think it a big mistake to take, as a model, what will or might happen from our memory of Bush v. Gore. There is a huge difference here.

First of all, Minnesota Law instructs the Court to send the full record of any election recount or contest to the Legislative Body for which the election was held -- in this case, to the US Senate, and in a recent ruling on Franken's petition for being given a temporary election certificate -- the MN Supreme Court denied his petition, and said specifically that they were the last step in Minnesota Law, and then the full record plus an election certificate would be sent to the Senate. Quite unlike the situation in Bush v. Gore -- the Constitution does instruct us as to the next step -- the Senate is the final judge of members qualifications and elections.

This is a huge difference between Bush v. Gore and the current Coleman v. Franken case. In fact should the US Supreme Court grant cert in this case before the Senate processes the submissions from the Minnesota Supreme Court, the Senate would properly call that a serious breach of constitutional powers given to the legislative branch in the constitution. I hardly think this court -- even though it has highly partisian members -- would ignore the clear constitutional language.

The problem confronted when Bush v. Gore went to the Court is very different. The Constitution does tell us what to do if the Electorial College is tied -- it does not tell us what to do if one critical state's vote counting system is flawed, and any remedy would run beyond the time allowed for selecting the next President. On that the Constitution is silent. It was really the matter of time that was critical in the Supreme Court stepping in in 2000, and that factor is not present in the Coleman v. Franken case. Clearly Minnesota has taken as much time as necessary to do the remedy prescribed in Minnesota Law for conducting a recount and then a contest as provided for by Minnesota Law.

As to Equal Protection -- you know the Election Contest Court addressed this in their opinion, and it will be against their legal reasoning that Coleman will be making his argument in the Supreme Court. They gave it about ten pages, plus lots of footnotes, and pretty much destroyed Coleman's argument. I frankly think the Supreme Court (MN) will pick up on the ECC's work, perhaps add some additional case law, and do some other editing of the language, and affirm the basic point. That is, namely, if in one county an error is made, and a Felon is permitted to vote, the remedy for that error is not to go out and collect the Felons and have them all vote. If an error is systemic, and clearly favors one candidate -- then an equal protection claim can be made. But if it is simply that, an error, something that is essentially random, with no proven intent to benefit one candidate over another, there is no reachable remedy other than to call the legislature's attention to the matter, and ask them to consider corrections for the future. (The Irony of course is that in recent years the legislature has taken notice of the witness matter -- the DFL proposed a remedy, and it was (not sure which) either vetoed by Pawlenty or defeated by Republicans.) At any rate the ECC did an excellent job detailing the state of the law with respect to Equal Protection as an issue -- and I expect the Supreme Court to pick up on that, and improve and affirm their work. And since most Election Law is State Law, as regards Equal Protection, Coleman v. Franken could well be the leading case in the US. It will be very ironic if Franken gets the Senate Seat, and all Coleman gets as booby prize is his name on references in footnotes in legal briefs in election law cases.

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Sara - I've really enjoyed your thoughtful and knowledgeable insights all through this election/recount process.

What was the DFL proposed remedy to the voter registration/witness matter that you mention? I don't recall it But it certainly would be an interesting point to bring up when Pawlenty is interviewed on the tee vee about issuing an election certificate.

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The Constitution does tell us what to do if the Electorial College is tied -- it does not tell us what to do if one critical state's vote counting system is flawed, and any remedy would run beyond the time allowed for selecting the next President.

That's true it doesn't, but it could be argued that it does not need to; state law itself could make provision for that eventuality. From usconstitution.net:

Today, Electors are chosen by popular election, but the Constitution does not mandate a popular election. The 14th Amendment does mention the choosing of Electors, but is relevant only when Electors are elected by popular vote. There is similar mention in the 24th Amendment. In other words, Electors could be appointed by a state's legislature, or the legislature could empower the governor to choose electors. In some cases, state law allows for such appointments if the popular vote cannot be used to determine a winner, such as if election results are contested up to federally-mandated deadlines.

Of course, if state law does not make any such provision, it does indeed throw things up in the air. Florida was contemplating having the state legislature appoint their electors in 2000 (though not so much because of the time deadline, but because it looked like Gore might win a recount). I'm not sure whether that would have passed muster with the Supreme Court or not, since I don't know whether Florida had any alternate provisions already written into law (though I'm guessing they did not).

One thing is clear: we need to be paying close attention to what provisions are made in each state for deciding close elections, with an eye to any potential for abuse, because it's beginning to look like this is going to be a pattern for the near future.

I do agree with you that Bush v Gore was a very different situation from this one, and not only because of the shorter timeframe for it to play out, but because of the consequences to the nation for the presidential election to be up in the air past the designated time for the official vote of the Electoral College.

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Let's look a minute at the particulars of Coleman's "equal protection" argument. As I recall, the specific point was that in most counties, they don't actually look up the registration status of the witness on an absentee ballot. As long as the witness lists a MN address, they take it as a valid witness.

The law says that the witness must be a registered voter. In the county (counties?) around Minneapolis-St. Paul, they actually look up the witness and his/her registration status. As is noted in the court's assessment, the reason the urban counties do is that they have easy access to the state voter reg. database. In the counties where they don't look it up, it's because they only have one computer with access to the state database.

So, is this a problem? Probably-everybody needs to be on the same page. Is it a problem with regards to this contest in this election? The judges say not as this issue cannot be said to impact one candidate more than the other. If Coleman had wanted to bring this issue to the forefront of his argument, he needed to present some testimony that would support the position that he was uniquely harmed. He could have gone through all the (emptied) absentee voter envelopes and checked for witness registration and given a number for how many were "illegally" accepted. He didn't present such testimony. For him to claim that he would have won the election had those votes not been counted is a pretty big stretch.

"Equal protection" sounds big and important, but when you look at it's relevance to this case, there just isn't much to ponder. Did Coleman have other specific instances of equal protection problems? I can't remember any - anybody else?

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It could pose dire consequences IF a higher court accepts Coleman's arguments, and IF those arguments are extended to the nth degree BUT . . . it ain't gonna happen. I strongly recommend any doomsayer read the actual opinion. It does several things exceedingly well. First, it lays out in very straightforward, well-reasoned and irrefutable arguments that Coleman lost a fair and well-documented election. Then it points out that Coleman lost his legal challenge because he failed to refute the fact that he lost. Then it goes on to obliterate Coleman's legally irresponsible equal protection argument relying on Bush v. Gore, both because Bush v. Gore says you CAN'T rely on it in any other case, AND because Bush v. Gore actually supports the MN decision to apply a strict standard to validating absentee ballots [In Bush v. Gore the majority reached way, way out to justify its ruling, and ultimately relied upon the idea that the Florida rules mandating the determination of "voter intent" without standards was too imprecise to apply - which happens to be exactly what Coleman was asking the court to do, rather than apply objective standards mandated under MN election law.]
The court did one other thing rather brilliantly. It made it clear that this was a VERY LONG, VERY DIFFICULT, and VERY MESSY case, primarily due to the incompetence of Coleman's own legal team. That, in code, warns the MN S.Ct that they do not want to wade into the swamp, nor do they want to send it back to the court to re-do anything. The court wrote a very thorough, well-reasoned and complete opinion and supporting memorandum, not only to issue their own opinion, but to make it easy for the MN S.CT to quickly go through the motions, but behind closed doors do a very cursory review, then issue a brief opinion that says, "Affirmed. What they said."
As to SCOTUS, unlike the situation in 2000, they have nothing to gain by taking the case, much to lose, and questionable jurisdiction to even get involved. They'll dodge this case like the Plague.

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I believe you may be missing the macro point here: yes, that decision was a thorough one and yes, the MN Supreme Court is likely to rule similarly (after we eat up some more months without a second senator).

But you're ignoring the political component to all of this. See above, where someone wisely pointed out that once it hits Federal court territory, you may well find yourself in the hands of Movement Conservatives, appointed en masse by Bush (while the media was giving us all the latest poop about "American Idol", I might add).

How will Movement Conservatives interpret the law? How about, the way Scalia and Rehnquist interpreted "Equal Protection" to lock it in for Bush? How about... any way they want to? Logic and legality be damned?

The theft of the system in 2000 was such an early bite out of the "shock" theory, that the Rehnquist court felt the need to stop at the line of precedence, with that Disclaimer From Hell about not using Bush v. Gore to interpret any more cases henceforth (still, the most glaringly offensive ruling since Dred Scott, IMHO; not simply because it didn't go my way, but because it showed smirking contempt for the legal system, and the Constitution).

You have to believe that with all the Bushies got away with, during the following eight years, the sheer chutzpah of the right grew to such proportions that today, they're going back in with Coleman, to wipe up the little matter of codifying Equal Protection as a bludgeon against Republicans losing elections. Something they feel SCOTUS didn't have the balls to carry out, in Bush v. Gore.

I'm sure the machers of Movement Conservatism consider Rehnquist/Scalia's reticence to set precedent to have been a moment of shameful weakness. Which they will now correct.

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Seems to me, in between this battle and NY-20, the GOP's scorched earth policies are going to cost them far more in public opinion than they gain in tactical victories.

They just don't get it.
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To put it another way, the GOOPers aren't good enough, they aren't smart enough, and doggone it, people just don't like them!
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Thanks ifthethunderdontgetya, I needed that.

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ifthethunder[etc.]... here is my final Scary Thought Of The Day:

"Public opinion" ain't gwyne mean Squat, when elections mean Squat.

Have a nice day, all, and don't shoot the messenger...:-)

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My Democratic parents down in Collier County, FL, are ballistic over the games the Republicans there are playing to prevent voting.

All done as a reaction to the fact that, even after all the good work Florida Republicans did gettin' them Darkies and them old Jews off the rolls from 2000 to 2008, that goddamned Kenyan STILL won Florida.

Stricter registration standards (government IDs only, nothing your retirement home or hospice issued,) felonies and fines to all registration drive operations that turn in invalid registrations, or forms older than 48 hours. Fewer polling places...

Goddamned MF'ing Republicans...And Coleman wants more lenient standards so he can steal this one.
Goddamn Coleman, and that bastard lawyer of his that helped steal the presidency for Bush.....

Christ, I need a drink.....

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