Gingrich: Obama Waging "War Against Churches"
In a new appeal to the Christian right, Newt Gingrich told OneNewsNow that President Obama's proposed changes to the charitable deduction for top earners amounts to a "war against churches and charities," deliberately designed to discourage the successful from donating money to churches and make us all dependent on the government.
"I think there's a clear to desire to replace the church with a bureaucracy, and to replace people's right to worship together with a government-dominated system," said Gingrich.
The proposal itself is to lower the deduction that people making over $250,000 receive for itemized charitable contributions, from its current 33% or 35% down to 28%. Obama has defended the proposal by saying: "I'm assuming that that shouldn't be the determining factor as to whether you're giving that $100 to the homeless shelter down the street."
What's next? Will we be hearing that Obama intends to ransack the Notre Dame cathedral, and convert it into the Temple of Reason?




















I know water boarding is bad and all but can we please do it just one last time?
April 2, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bravo!! :)
April 3, 2009 1:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Surely even Newt is not stupid enough to actually believe this. But he knows that enough of his base is. After all, all Faux News has to do is screech "war on Christmas!" and the fundies jump to attention. This will be the object of their next chain email--"Obama and Dems want to outlaw churches!"
April 2, 2009 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I came in to post something similar.
Newtie doesn't actually believe this, he's just riling up his patsies.
It's really a shame that the fundies will never figure out how they're being cynically exploited. And I know they won't, because if they had the capacity to figure that out, they wouldn't be fundies in the first place.
April 2, 2009 4:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could someone explain why self-described Christians who are conservative or reactionary always give their leaders a pass on lying? Of course Newt knows that he's bearing false witness, but he also knows that his followers won't care how dishonest he is.
April 6, 2009 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
And bring Sharia law!!
April 2, 2009 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gingrich is an idiot, doesn't this conflict with Obama's Faith Based Initiative policy? Where he's strengthening churches?
April 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
So we have Bachmann talking about an overthrow, Beck talking about fascism, and now Gingrich talking about replacing people's right to worship with a government dominated system.
Again, this is getting less and less funny.
Hey, maybe Pastor Rick, in return for his plumb spot in the Inauguration, could actually speak out to defend Obama?
Pastor Rick? You out there?
April 2, 2009 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Agreed. At first it was somewhat amusing, but they are going so far off the deep end, it is no longer funny.
Yep, good old Pastor Rick needs to speak out.
April 2, 2009 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
You forgot Michael Steele...
April 2, 2009 5:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't Newt have another wife to leave hanging?
April 2, 2009 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Newt's a Catholic now right? So his previous divorces/affairs don't matter and he's allowed to be back up on his high horse again. Like Vitter had to say ten Hail Mary's and all was forgiven in his case, the Religious Right seemingly wants to be exploited politically.
Newt is pathetically transparent. The folks he's pandering to should be insulted.
April 2, 2009 4:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fear that the people he's pandering to don't know enough to know they are being insulted.
April 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hence the continued existence of the GOP...
April 2, 2009 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Catholics aren;t suppossed to remarry unless their previous marriage(s) were anulled. He wants to be Catholic, he needs to play by the rules. The Catholic Church refused to baptise my kids because their father was married before he met me for 15 yrs and had been divorced. They said the only way the kids could be baptised was if he had gotten his marriage anulled.
So, I guess my kids get stuck in Limbo, or purgatory or what-not.
April 3, 2009 5:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So is Newt in favor of letting the Bush tax cuts expire and the rates for the wealthy to go back up, since that will provide greater incentive for charitable giving? Or is he just making a BS argument to pander to the religious right?
April 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Newt loves to pander and he's never been punished by these folks for treating them like absolute fools who can be conned into anything, so we can expect him to continue to do so.
April 6, 2009 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Or is he just making a BS argument to pander to the religious right?
Um...let me think about this for 13 milliseconds.
The answer is YES!
April 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Newt wants to be president. He thinks we forgot his tenure as Speaker. He also doesn't accept the fact of what Bush and the Republicans did over the past 8 years, and how the voters said no more...in both of the last two elections. Sixty days of a new administration is not long enough for the opposition to claim 'we need a new direction. This President's policies are driving us to ruin'. People get it. Politicians, not so much.
April 2, 2009 4:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Newt wants to be president... and he sees the other front-runners -- Palin, Jindal, Romney -- as chumps. Newt is smart enough to see what most Democrats see: the GOP field in 2012 will be pathetically weak. So much so that even washed-up, scandalized Newt will have a shot.
Newt might just take his shot and hope the economy implodes, with voters pinning the blame on Obama.
April 2, 2009 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
no he has no shot and he knows it.
this kind of stuff only works with the idiots he is speaking too.
but, they all want to be the king or queen of the idiots.
but i do agree that the field is weak and as i predicted long ago palin is obviously being pushed out.
but you need to keep feeding the base of loonies and this stuff works.
amazing that the bond that holds these people together is and always will be fear.
April 2, 2009 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
So people's donations to churches are for purely tax deduction purposes, Newt? How's that for principled?
What I really liked about Obama's answer on this at the presser was, why should my donation be more deductible than someone making less? As you move up the tax rate scale, so too do your deductions move up the scale. So a person in the 35% bracket writes off something just under 35% of the contribution whereas someone in a 25% bracket only gets to write off 25%.
I don't have particularly strong feelings about this but the argument for it is pretty sound.
April 2, 2009 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look, its all very simple. Follow along with me here. Rich people will only make charitable contributions if the government subsidizes them at a higher rate than it does the contributions of the hoi polloi down in the 28% bracket, because, ummm, having more money as they do, the rich people will, ummmm, miss the money they contribute more than poorer people will . . . or something. Anyway, it all makes perfect sense, I tell you. They wouldn't be rich if they weren't smarter than people with less money, right?
April 2, 2009 5:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks Tara. I think I know "stuff" but I hadn't thought out the illogic of the rich getting more of a tax writeoff than me, just due to their "bracket." I'd love to have a portion of my wages taxed at 35%...rich by my standards. AND some folks forget the tax is graduated. They paid the same as you and me on the first 10, 20, 30 etc, thousands of income.
Newt, on the other hand, how'd he get out from under that big rock? Oh. That's right. It's spring, he's coiled in the strike position.
April 4, 2009 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the wealthy Christians that Newt is talking to--and this only affects the wealthy and nobody else--can't bring themselves to give to the Christian charity of their choice without a sufficiently high tax break (not a measly 28%), what kind of Christians are they? Piss poor, I'd say.
April 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
""I think there's a clear to desire to replace the church with a bureaucracy, and to replace people's right to worship together with a government-dominated system," said Gingrich."
/facepalm
April 2, 2009 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where does the GOP get these charismatic winners?
It's a real freakshow -- Sarah, Bobby, Newt ....
I can't imagine anyone wanting to associate themselves with this band of bizarre blowhards and nutjobs.
April 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Any reasoned Republican knows that posturing this early(and this crazy) is not going to get them anywhere. So the nutcases like Newt, Bobby and Sarah are dominating the conversation now.
I would expect that In-Office repubs who'd like to President are going to sit out 2012. It will be hard to unseat Obama so why risk their respective positions on sure loss.
Romney and few others have had the foresight to not get into Michell Bachmann terratory w/ their rhetoric, lets see how long they can resist.
April 2, 2009 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Funny thing though, Obama’s proposal to limit deductions would affect organizations like the ACLU and Planned Parenthood no less than churches. So, just as Obama is hurting churches he is hurting our Constitutional rights to godless heathenism, abortion, and fornication. From Newt’s worldview that should be a good thing, right Newt? Or does it not all balance out?
April 2, 2009 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
And "war", yeah that's the right hyperbole.
You're really winning us all over with these spasmatic paranoid hysteria, in an era when most people are tired of partisanship.
Go back to the 90s, asshole.
April 2, 2009 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gingrich: A has-been with a bad idea every minute. It's all the GOP has for "vision". Now he's back to his lexicon of derogation about Democrats.
When did he get religion? I don't recall him being very devout when he was cheating on his wives.
April 2, 2009 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
It just goes to show that even a Ph.D. doesn't mean your not ignorant...
April 2, 2009 5:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The newt is trying to blow up a 1993 style lie-o-caine. It wont work because 1. everyone now knows the R-pubs are lying through their pearly white, government paid for dental plan teeth and, 2.outside the neo-con/talk radio matrix, newt is widely,correctly, percieved to be an opportunistic, dishonest, hyper partisan,self promoting, political hack monster. go away newt! no-one cares that you and "w" love the pope now, (except your old freinds from the moral majority, who think the pope is the anti christ) and no one is buying your "massive liberal/comminist plot" narrative anymore. your right wing populist whack jobs arent the swing block anymore, they are the past. join them.
April 2, 2009 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gingrich is one Machiavellian slimeball. You can be pretty sure this message has been analyzed and tested by a team of psychologists.
1. Yes, this stirs up the religious right.
2. Mostly because he's guaranteed to have help from the religious right leaders, because this deduction reduction DIRECTLY ATTACKS THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
3. And think about all those right-wing think tanks that now support the otherwise unemployable right-wingers, and where they get their funding.
I would argue that tax deductions are an inefficient way to support social programs, because most tax-deductible contributions go to organizations that do not feed the hungry, etc. Many of them are lobbying groups in disguise. How much money to churches goes to helping the downtrodden?
April 2, 2009 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gingrich believes that the only way that the GOP can win is to resurrect the fight about gays, God, and guns.
Big YAWN...
April 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Poor Newt. It's not easy getting attention when you're competing with a full-blown loon like Bachmann. She just sucks all the oxygen out of the GOP's nutty tent.
April 2, 2009 5:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
SOOOO funny!
April 4, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gingrich is just trying to lead the fear the fundamentals have of President Obama.
Republican 2012 primary is going to be about who is the Godliest of them all.
April 2, 2009 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Newt is actually arguing FOR the redistribution of wealth by forcing those who do not give to churches to pay higher taxes so that those who do give can pay lower taxes.
Do these people have any self awareness? Any?
Also, since when did argument by hyperbole become so popular? Socialist! Marxist! Replacing churches with government! The lead story on every news program should be that Newt and crew are laughably insane. I won't hold my breath.
April 2, 2009 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is already a governemnt bureaucracy by having the government involved in tax relief for religious charity. The free exercise of religion doesn't exist when the federal government incentivizes tithing. Indeed, I would say it co-mingles Ceasar with God and is a clear injunction against the law as delivered by Christ.
April 2, 2009 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
BY relief, I mean deduction. I shouldn't play with those discredited tropes, even in irony.
April 2, 2009 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, let 'em keep playing to this ever shrinking base! I got a neighbor who just changed churches because he decided they were "too dedicated to politics." He even thinks Obama is doing a "pretty good job." He certainly did not vote for him, but now seems to think....., oh well! So let 'em keep playing their base of fools. As Newt certainly knows, dumb is as dumb does - and what he's doing is, in a word, dumb.
April 2, 2009 5:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't Gingrich the one who broke with the Pope so he could marry Anne Boleyn when Catherine was suffering from cancer?
April 2, 2009 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't we wage a real war with real bullets against these fear mongers?
April 2, 2009 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
So wait, Republicans only give to charity for the tax write off?
*GASP!*
April 2, 2009 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Republican Party: Misleading the faithful in order to cater to the needs of the money-changers since 1980.
April 2, 2009 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
OneNewsNow, huh
April 2, 2009 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are donations to churches tax deductible?
April 2, 2009 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
*ding ding ding ding*
Salivate, dogs, salivate!
April 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, you see, Newt, it's totally "Christian" to stop donating to various charities when your tax deduction threshold goes down a tad. Because, well, "Christians" only make those donations to reduce their tax bite, right?
As for fundies. Hmmm. I imagine that they won't bother trying to find anything in their good book to counter old Newt, even though everything Jesus ever said DOES.
April 2, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does the GOP hate God?
The Pension Protection Act of 2006 gives the IRS the authority to disallow deductions of undocumented cash gifts to charities, including church offerings:
“Individuals must show a receipt from the charity, a canceled check, or credit card statement to prove their donation. No tax deduction will be allowed if the taxpayer cannot provide any supporting documentation.”
April 2, 2009 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
FWIW, in the (non-mega-)churches that I'm familiar with donations are anonymous until the end of the year when each interested member tells the church treasurer how much to make the receipt for.
April 3, 2009 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
PLEASE name that church! I want to donate to it.
April 4, 2009 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
The most recent one for which I'm certain this was the case was the local Church of God.
April 6, 2009 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gingrich is P T Barnuming the religgies again. I can remember one time when this didn't work for the Rethugs - the Schiavo fiasco. I was SO surprised! It almost gave me hope.
April 2, 2009 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
War against the churches? Wow, I'm glad he's finally doing something. That's change I can believe in!
April 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
And this comes just DAYS after converting to Catholocism. I wonder if there is any coincidence.....
April 2, 2009 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can anybody take this doughy redneck seriously? This is the same guy impeaching Clinton for a BJ while boning one of his other ladys. Then he was boning an aide while married to the wife he married after notifying his first wife of a divorce while she was recovering from cancer surgery in the hospital! Now he converts to catholicism because his wife is a devout(?) catholic? Do 'devout' catholics shack up with married men? he is an abject friggin' joke!
April 2, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
The idea of Newt styling himself as a champion of Catholic rectitude is hilarious. He and his hypocrite wife are the kind of Catholics that give Catholics a bad name.
I had a huge argument with Sister Mont Marie in 2nd grade when she told us that sinners who repent on their death bed go to heaven, but since we had the 'advantage' of being born Catholic, we had to be good all our lives to get there. Didn't buy it then, don't buy it now. Newt, et al. better burn in Purgatory at a minimum, ideally in hell.
April 2, 2009 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
It really sickens me that people like this are even paid attention to.
April 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gingrich believes people often forget that the first act of the first successful American colony was to "erect a cross at Cape Henry, to thank God for their survival and their salvation, and then to go up to Jamestown to found the colony."
Had Gingrich been part of the first successful American colony, these actions would have been preceded by his copping some instant gratification.
April 2, 2009 7:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why is there a deduction at all for giving to churches? So rich jerks can spend on high-end sound and lighting systems for their daughter's Sunday "American Idol" moment and get a tax write off out of it? These megachurches are scam tax shelters, not charities.
April 2, 2009 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why does the press, this one included, continue to give this man a forum? Gaseous emissions don't warrant precious media space, no matter from which orifice they spew.
April 2, 2009 8:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
In a new appeal to the Christian right, Newt Gingrich told OneNewsNow that President Obama's proposed changes to the charitable deduction for top earners amounts to a "war against churches and charities," deliberately designed to discourage the successful from donating money to churches and make us all dependent on the government.
Well, that may come as a surprise to well-known secularist Jesus Christ.
In the 6th chapter of Matthew he says:
""1": Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
"2": Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
"3": But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
"4": That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly."
So if Gingrich is trying to appeal to people who follow the teachings of Christ, he's barking up the wrong tree -- they don't take the charitable contribution deduction in the first place. They give in secret.
I leave it as an exercise for the reader just how many people claim to be Christian, yet take no heed of Christ's teachings.
April 2, 2009 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think, in this case, unlike covering Rush Lamebaugh, it is necessary to cover newt because he is likely to be the GOP nominee in 2012.
April 2, 2009 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gingrich has been making ethically charged statements all over the airwaves. This display of ethos does jive with the $302,000 he was charged for
Congressional ethic violations at which time several Repubs said that it was not enough. Remember this is a man who left Congress in disgrace. Ethic charges were raised shortly after or shortly before
his "Contract with America" speech. Repub controlled
congress did not even review the charges for 14 months, even with some Repub charges sprinkled in at the latter stages. $302,000 still stands today as the largest amt ever charged for ethics violations Congressional history.
April 3, 2009 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Government-dominated system? I heard Obama was also going to eliminate weekends and birthdays in Red States, and use the savings to fund socialism and black helicopters.
April 3, 2009 1:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, many rightwing "christians" will believe Newt. So, let me get this straight--rich "christians" will refuse to donate money to your cause or church because they will get less of a tax write off? If people claim they are "christians" and then give less because they don't get enough of a tax write off--they are not Christians--money is their god.
Which, for the most part, is true with rightwing "christians." They claim to love God and Jesus, but really love money and power and do most anything to get it.
April 3, 2009 6:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
That must be because Obama is a Muslim, right? Newt and the GOP wing nuts sure like the war stuff. War on Christmas, War on the Right to Life, War on the Flag, War on real Americans, War on Family Values, War on Fiscal Reponsibility, World War III on seating Senator Franken, War on Peace, War on Truth. Thank goodness, we have Newt holding up the rights moral, Christian values.
April 3, 2009 8:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are right, and Newt and The Right will portray this as the "War on Religion." However, the proposal limits the amount of tax deduction for any charitable donation to anyone qualified charity, not just the right wing organizations or churches. Or did I miss that?
Shouldn't they be happy that George Soros can't deduct 35%?
April 3, 2009 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
We now where the fig newton stands, but he doesn't Which religion is he now? And when will he officially become a MORmON?
April 3, 2009 9:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't know whether to laugh or cry or scream - it just NEVER ENDS with these people. I'm just so tired of it. After 8 years of bush I thought maybe it might get a little better with him gone and dems in charge, but I guess I was being naive. Repubs are even more insufferable when they're not in charge. It's just day after day after day of this kind of insane nonsense from these people. And it scares me and saddens me to know that so many of my fellow americans believe whatever insanity limbaugh & hannity & newt etc. tell them without question.
April 3, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
So the early Christians professed their faith at the risk of death or persecution, but Newt Gingrich's millionaire Christians are not allowed to worship together because they're not getting a big enough tax break for their contributions?
Newt is a reptile.
April 3, 2009 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Newt is an all-purpose professor: a professor of history (pity his classroom victims), marital vows to women he dumps, and a professor of faith that is clearly belied by his sociopathic opportunism. His transparent appeal to the bible-thumpers in his silly assertion that Obama, an actual practicing and believing Christian, is trying to destroy churches is a cynical political ploy, just what we have all come to expect from him. He is not just any kind of reptile. He's a newt.
April 3, 2009 4:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
How can people actually believe this crap? Even ignorant wingnuts? The republican'ts never cease to amaze me.
April 3, 2009 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hi Mary,
I just looked at an IQ histogram chart for America. This might suggest an answer to your question:
-- Average and Median IQ: 100
-- Percentage of people between 85-100: 34%
-- Percentage of people below 85: ~16%
I know IQs are not a bulletproof indicator of intelligence, but surely it is part of the equation. Bear in mind, when you get below 85%, it is classified as mentally challenged (if I recall correctly).
April 4, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh Newt, you are making the comedy tour, again.
This man is worth a few laughs or more, isn't he?
April 3, 2009 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't we get rid of this moron once before ?? Like ALL republicans, he is a huge liar !! Hopefully his third party will be a success and split the republicans in two !!! By 2012 there won't be any republicans left anywhere !!!!
April 4, 2009 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, let's see. If I make $50,000 a year and donate $5,000 of it to a charity, that donation is "worth" 28% to me. but if I make $500,000 a year and donate $5,000 of it to a charity, it's "worth" 35% to me? Hmm....now I know what David Caye Johnston is talking about....
April 6, 2009 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Newt will NEVER be President. The Religious Reich's days are over too. They will never again take control of Washington. Bye, bye, bigots...
April 6, 2009 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink