Obama Official: Conservative Dems Are 'Bad Guys'
The fact that President Obama's agenda routinely gets fewer Republican votes than you can count on one hand has become something of a running joke in Washington, and goes a long way toward explaining the acrimony between the two parties today. The administration may have been unaware that "bipartisanship" wouldn't work in practice, but they learned that lesson quickly.
But there's a more complicated, intraparty relationship--the one between party leaders and conservative Democrats--that's at least as crucial, and that's giving the administration a harder time. As we've documented, here, the White House and party leaders on the Hill have gone out of their way to squelch grassroots efforts to target Blue Dog Democrats in the House and conservative Democrats in the Senate, and, for the most part, those groups have complied. But how does the administration really feel about them?
The New Yorker'sRyan Lizza outsources the answer to a senior administration official who, toward the end of a long article about OMB Director Peter Orszag, says, "We're fighting all the bad guys." Take the budget fight, currently underway in conference committee:
The fifty-one Conservative House Democrats known as the Blue Dogs forced a reduction in the over-all amount of spending. "Their chief negotiator was Allen Boyd," [House Budget Committee Chair John] Spratt told me, referring to the congressman from north Florida, "and we cut a deal--well, that's a little"--he amended his phrasing, and smiled--"came to an understanding" that "there would be a seven-billion-dollar reduction in the increase in N.D.D., non-defense discretionary spending."
So far, conservative Democrats have teamed up to weaken Obama's stimulus plan and budget, and may ultimately make it difficult for Obama to get his nominees confirmed. The question is, how much more will the administration accept before they lift the hands-off policy on the "bad guys"?




















Time to find 51 new Democrats.
April 27, 2009 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds nice in theory, but I suspect many of these come from districts where if a more progressive democrat ran, the republican would win.
April 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yasser! That's right!
April 27, 2009 11:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're right of course. But here's what the blue dogs don't get -- if they scuttle the Obama agenda, they will show the voters that the Democrats can't govern effectively. That's basically what happened in 1994. And if the voters decide the Dems can't govern, there will be a GOP wave. And if that happens, the first Dems to go down to the defeat will be the Blue Dogs.
That's why their perspective on this is not only bad for America -- it's short-sighted, stupid and self-destructive.
April 27, 2009 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hope your ideas here get memed soon.
April 27, 2009 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're being redundant. You already said they were conservative Democrats, didn't you?
April 27, 2009 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
who cares? If I have to choose between a godawful democrat who constantly undermines the party and its message over a republican, I'd pick the republican.
Let these fuckers face primary challenges.
April 27, 2009 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even if it costs us the majority in the House or the Senate?
April 27, 2009 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not a majority if they vote AGAINST you.
April 27, 2009 11:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
The myth that a left leaning Dem can't win in some places created by conservatives to serve conservatives. Was not buying it then and I am not buying it now.
April 27, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
"your with us on every bill, or you are against us."
This sounds familiar, I am pretty sure. And I am sure I know what I thought about it in the past.
April 27, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
You would have a point if they were "with us" even half the time.
April 27, 2009 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the blue dogs vote with the Democrats about 85% of the time. But don't let facts get in the way of a good foaming-at-the-mouth!
April 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, let me rephrase: half the time when there are not enough Republicans crossing over anyway.
April 27, 2009 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm guessing they'll shoot a few shots across their bow first by, say, having unnamed administration officials implicitly lump them in with the Repbublican "bad guys" in interviews with magazine reporters.
April 27, 2009 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
We can never stop pushing for new AND BETTER Democrats. Expand and upgrade, expand and upgrade.
April 27, 2009 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
WORD! Better democrats!
April 27, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you want better Dems in Congress, get out and work for better Dems in your local state legislature. The 2010 census and reapportionment are right around the corner. Republican legislatures will pack and crack as always, but Democratic legislatures will protect the districts of conservative Democrats in Congress.
April 27, 2009 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
A $7B reduction in the increase? Out of how much? People are getting way too worked up over trivial concessions.
April 27, 2009 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
To completely make up a number, it's probably in the range of 0.001% or so. Even if my number is wrong, which it is, 7 billion is small potatoes. I think most of us can live with a few concessions to get what we need done.
April 27, 2009 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The "more Democrats" phase is coming to an end, now comes "better Democrats." However, that doesn't mean Boyd is to be targeted. The key is targeting right leaning Democrats representing more liberal/progressive districts. Primary opponents don't have to win to be effective, but there does have to be electoral consequences for egregious opposition.
April 27, 2009 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
The administration may have been unaware that "bipartisanship" wouldn't work in practice,
Of course it worked. After the GOP's gleeful rejection of his bills, the Party of No label is setting in almost permanently - isn't that worth more than a few extra Repub votes? Most Americans believe Obama is being bipartisan - uhm, that's a good thing whether you think it's a waste of time or not. I applaud him for trying and I hope he continues. When it comes to "must pass" legislation like health care, then he can show them the door.
I've seen several "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" comments on this site and others. Don't advise him to be like Bush when it comes to the way he works with Congress.
April 27, 2009 10:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo. If he tries to be bipartisan and they cooperate, that's good. If he's rebuffed, who winds up looking bad? And that puts more pressure on them the next time. He's in a win/win and he's putting the R's in a lose/lose. How is this a bad thing?
April 27, 2009 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
The only flaw in this theory is that at some point the Democrats have to find a way to actually deliver what the voters voted for in order to stay in office. Their repeated failure to do so over the years is the reason why they fall on their face every time they regain office (eg. their ignominious exit in 1994 after they hamstrung Clinton.) Why do you think the Congressional Dems are so much less popular than Obama?
April 27, 2009 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Trying to be bipartisan in no way hampers them from implementing their agenda. On the contrary, by ratcheting up pressure on R's to reciprocate, they get a win/win: either the R's (even if just a few) cross over and cooperate, or they get their asses handed to them again in 2010. Being labeled "The Party of No" is a millstone around their necks.
April 27, 2009 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
That makes sense, but it works only if President Obama wins the messaging war on what it means to be bi-partisan (i.e., does bi-partisan mean reaching across the aisle for discussion and ideas or does it require actual Republican votes?). So far, I think the results on that front are mixed.
April 27, 2009 12:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Have you looked at the polling? He's already won the hell out of that battle.
Obama approval rating: 68% favorable, 26% unfavorable.
Congressional Republicans: 15% favorable, 70% unfavorable.
Congressional Democrats: 43% favorable, 50% unfavorable.
66% give Obama credit for "making a sincere effort to find solutions acceptable to both parties. 38% say that of Republicans in Congress. (44% say it of Democrats in Congress).
April 27, 2009 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had seen that polling before. I wrote that the results are mixed because the beltway punditry doesn't seem to pay attention to, or care, about those sort of poll results. They appear to have some other mystical way of knowing our opinions better than we know them ourselves. I'd like to think that the punditry don't matter, but I'm not sure that's true.
April 27, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the punditry mattered, Obama's poll numbers wouldn't be where they are. Using right wing talking points, the pundits told us that the country was furious at Obama over AIG, shaking hands with Chavez, closing Gitmo, not getting Republican votes. The poll numbers didn't bear any of that out.
Just like some keep saying that Obama is losing his base when polls show his approval rating at 90% among Democrats.
April 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
"They appear to have some other mystical way of knowing our opinions better than we know them ourselves."
It isn't so mythical... They poll their lobbyists t0 find out what we think. Since lobbyists know what we need and we don't. lol jk
April 27, 2009 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stimulus, Omnibus, Budget, Fair Pay, etc, etc. - all passed (with major administration requests met). Healthcare in reconciliation (along with other good stuff)... where exactly is the strategy failing so far?
April 27, 2009 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are oversimplifying 1994.
While some initial Clinton missteps were a part of it, a well designed national campaign led by Gingrich, the perceivable public ire of Dems having a House majority for 40 years, and the House bank scandal helped create a perfect storm. Add to that the emerging pattern of the southern Dems being supplanted by Southern Republicans, sometimes via conversion.
What's interesting now is that the current Congressional majorities the Dems experience depend less on the South than has any majority since the brief Republican majorities in the late 1940s and early 1950s. That bodes poorly for the influence of both the deep South and the GOP.
April 27, 2009 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think steve has it right. In fact, I boil down the Democratic rout in 1994 to one major cause: If the Dems had passed health care reform, they would have easily won in 1994 and probably gained seats.
Most voters simply don't pay enough attention to politics to understand the distinctions between a blue dog democrat and a progressive one. All they know is Democrats controlled both houses of Congress and the White House and couldn't get anything done, so throw the bums out.
Republicans fully understood this, hence their memos from Kristol and the like urging all out war against health reform. Kristol specifically warned Republicans that if Democrats succeeded in passing national health care, the Dems would win most elections for another generation, and he was right.
I still think that's true today. I would add the caveat that health care reform needs to include a public plan. If the blue dogs and republicans succeed in watering down health reform to mostly a giveaway to the insurance companies, then the public may eventually turn against it.
I think it's too much to expect a strict single-payer plan even though that is by far my preferred solution. A public option will sell best to voters, many of whom still have private plans they like. But the public option
will eventually prevail over private insurance plans simply because there is no 20 to 25% profit/overhead involved. The Republicans and insurance companies recognize that, hence their loud opposition to it.
One other benefit to the public/private choice plan is that it will take several/many years for the switch over to the public plan and we won't have tens of thousands of suddenly unemployed insurance workers to add to our current economic mess.
April 27, 2009 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
We have met the enemy and he is us.
April 27, 2009 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't belong to any organized political party.
I'm a Democrat.
/Will Rogers
April 27, 2009 12:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
My guess is most groups are holding off on attacking until they see where viable primary challengers are going to emerge. It doesn't make any sense to tear down the Conservadem if the only alternative is a wingnut republican.
Besides, isn't a quiet hit job far better strategy than full out media assault when dealing within the caucus?
April 27, 2009 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well good for him. These ConservaDems need to be called out and shamed in public for siding with the Repubs over the best interests of the country. It's bad enough that the Repub party as a whole has become simply obstructionist, we don't need sell-out Dems helping them.
April 27, 2009 12:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
If they lift the hands off policy in a public way, the media is going to scream "WHERE'S THE BIPARTISAN UNITY PONY HE KEPT PROMISING???!@#!??"
I'd prefer that the Administration keeps treating them so that they believe they've wrung some "concessions" about of Obama. What's wrong with encouraging delusions?
April 27, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's so weird is that the GOP isn't even playing ball. The Blue Dogs play ball and they get more of what they want. By refusing to give ever vote the White House's way even a little completely destroys their relevance. Why do something for you if you're not even going to attempt to do something for me? They may as well give themselves laryngitis on purpose.
April 27, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm pleased that the GOP has refused to play ball. They could have become a much stronger and more viable opposition had they been able to win the public relations battle thus far. And I realize that in the frantic minute by minute cable news hysteria, Republicans really aren't being held responsible for their behavior, but I'm talking about the general public--and the polling data suggest that the public views Obama as reaching out and Republicans doing nothing.
They could have, for instance, proclaimed that they had real concerns about the stimulus plan, but, in the interests of what's probably going to be best for the country, they'll vote in favor of it. Unity, you know? In this dire economic time? Then, later on, when health care became an issue, for instance, they could have opposed that, and had much more legitimacy. Instead? "They say no to everything" pretty much describes them, so even if they have good reasons for opposing Obama, they've lost credibility.
April 27, 2009 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's true. Most business people know that negotiation's a benefit to all parties at the table. But if they want to continue sitting at the kiddie table throwing tantrums while the adults are in the other room trying to make decisions--well they are refusing to have a voice.
April 27, 2009 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is really very little incentive for the conservadems to change, and Obama's strategy makes it even easier for them.
However, the bigger problem is structural, and something Obama and progressives have no control over. At least not now.
Which is: Conservatives have a vested interest in helping Big Business. They are in natural opposition to environmentalism, consumer rights, labor and all attempts to reduce inequalities in our society. While they're in office, their job is to make sure Big Business does fine and that measures to help the environment, enact single-payer health insurance for all Americans, protect citizens from corporate abuse, etc. etc. are crushed.
If by doing so, they lose their next election, they know they will be more than taken care of and compensated. As in, they know they'll make far more out of office than they could while in office.
They may like the power. But I truly doubt they will shed two tears if they aren't reelected.
Their job is to push back on progress, pure and simple. Their job is to make sure the ruling class remains the ruling class and grows. If they play their cards right, they can leave office and join the ruling class in real terms. Financially.
In short, there really is no way to push them to do the right thing while in office and Obama should realize that it's futile to try.
"Better democrats" is the answer. The structural issues of a revolving door congress might be addressed if we get the numbers someday . . .
April 27, 2009 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
My perception on the stimulus bill is that Obama tried to get about 120 per cent of what he wanted and got about 110 per cent. Plus he made the Republican opposition look obstructionist. Just because the American press wants to harp on the part he didn't get doesn't make it the important part of the story.
We are seeing real change. Just what he promised. Legislation is not a case of what goes in comes out unchanged. Sometimes the back and forth even makes it better. Light up my fellow liberals. We are doing OK, so far. And it's really early.
April 27, 2009 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
We know for a fact that your perception is wrong, because Rahm Emmanuel admitted in so many words that they knew the stimulus wasn't as big as their own economic advisers were saying was needed (and contained too much in the form of tax cuts). The reality was widely reported at the time- the bill was watered down in the delusional hope of attracting a lot of GOP votes (remember the "80 Senate votes" hype?). At least they've learned from that mistake.
April 27, 2009 2:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't give a rat's rump if everything Obama proposes gets a 50 plus 1 vote and passes anyway. Honestly bipartisanship and getting all your Dem duckies lined up in a row is not the point of anything, it is the actual policies that matter. If the ideas work then Obama will be a success and exact vote counts do not matter. If however you have to dumb down a good idea to the point where it does not work just to get votes then in the end you will still have a deteriorating situation and failure all around.
April 27, 2009 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Blue Dogs aren't Democrats except in name. They are every bit as bad as the Republicans and maybe worse because the one thing Republicans don't lie about is that they see their job as doing whatever the rich and powerful want. The Blue Dogs are liars from the git go claiming they care about the people and want to fight for the common people. What scum.
April 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
My old congressman Robin "liberals hate people who achieve and love their country" Hayes was defeated by Larry Kissel who is effectively a blue dog. Kissel supports stem cell, the stimulus, choice, pay equity, unions, closing Gitmo and ending torture. Hayes didn't support ANY of those things.
So stop trying to tell me there's no difference. That dog don't hunt.
April 27, 2009 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Informative article, thanks for writing it. If Democrats have battered wife syndrome, as Robert Parry recently suggested, Obama must have battered president syndrome - - given that CNN has stepped up attacks on him that began when the oath of office. Each day since, 24/7, the network has pecked away at his record to see what grain of truth they can turn into a minus or generate controversy. Today, CNN ran a poll on what grade listeners would give the president for his first 100 days. What were the choices? They could vote for one of three: above average, average, below average. Since those polled could not chose excellent, most opted for above average. That way, CNN could avoid reporting what other polls have shown - - that the public grades him high, rather than above average. This clever methodology is just one of hundreds used every month to "pull down the president to a size we can influence him," according to a quote from The Guardian attributed to one of CNN's top executives and an attitude characterized by Wolf Blitzer. I would encourage readers to examine CNN more closely; since the public believes it is a news source they can trust, which is far from the truth. For some reason CNN is after this president, even though it has cost them dearly in viewer department and with sponsors who have cancelled. So how have they tried to make up for loss of viewers and sponsors? Did they get off Obama's back? Of course not! Instead, CNN is turning to the radical conservative fringe by adding commentators of Rush Limbaugh's stripe. They are trying to contract with Newt Gingrich to do a news show. What a greedy and arrogant news organization. They think the public does not know that any person who constantly criticizes a president places himself or herself above him in stature. The behavior at CNN gives new meaning to the word "hubris." Sometimes I wonder how much CNN bases its behavior on covert racism. “ A white president can get an excellent rating, but not a Black one.” Maybe CNN should change its network letters to KKK or at least advertise itself as “the best propaganda machine on television.” It is fast becoming the right arm of the grotesque creature known as the radical conservative right, which almost sunk the Ship of State amid the rocky shoals of brainless political, economic, social and religious ideology.
April 27, 2009 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
well, there has to be a concerted effort by progressives to nominate Dems that don't mimic Repubs.
The nomination process is where they have a chance.
It's going to take a lot of effort at the grassroots level to do that.
by the way, how many Blue Dogs are there?
April 27, 2009 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
DUH! The whole reason for the formation of the Blue Dog Dems in the senate is to prevent health care reform from passing the senate by the reconciliation process. No way it won't get filibustered so unless it goes by the reconciliation process it won't happen. The lobbyist's dollars are paying off big time here.
No new energy policy, and no national health cae reform that includes a public option thanks entirely too the Blue dogs. These republican mistresses stand in direct opposition to the dem's agenda and against the will of the majority of Americans. They are called "Blue dogs" because the oxygen to their brains has been cut off by conservative breathing.
April 27, 2009 10:28 PM | Reply | Permalink