Republicans: We Stand By Our Distortion of MIT Study
Republicans won't be changing their story on the cost of climate change legislation anytime soon. I just spoke with Michael Steel, spokesman for John Boehner, about the letter the House Minority Leader received from M.I.T. scientist John Reilly. By way of background, Reilly wrote to Boehner yesterday and gently informed him that he and other Republicans had "misrepresented in recent press releases" an M.I.T. study, which estimated that a cap and trade program would likely cost the average family $340 per year. The GOP is claiming, based on the same study, that the legislation would cost the average family $3,128 per year.
"We stand by our analysis," said Steel.
Steel says the GOP's claim is based on the Obama budget proposal, which doesn't propose rebating cap-and-trade revenues directly to consumers (i.e. writing a flat check to every tax payer).
Instead, his proposal contemplated rebating $64 billion a year through a payroll tax cut.
But, the Republicans say, Senate Democrats have suggested using cap-and-trade revenue to pay for health care reform. In reality, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has quashed that idea.
At any rate, the Obama budget proposal did not contain any legislative details--the numbers were early estimates, and the exact terms of a cap-and-trade bill will be hammered out by Congress.
So, speaking of Congress, I asked Steel whether the GOP would revisit their contention if the Waxman-Markey House climate change legislation we reported on earlier this week provided for a revenue rebate. Steel said, "We would obviously have to change the way we discuss the proposal.... We'll deal with the facts in each case as it arises."
And then there's the Senate. I asked Steel if he could comment on an amendment to the Senate budget resolution, authored by Sen. Barbara Boxer, which passed on Tuesday. It provides that cap-and-trade revenues will be used to forestall "increasing electricity or gasoline prices or increasing the overall burden on consumers."
"I don't work in the Senate," said Steel.




















Your earlier link suggests the MIT study says it will cost family's $79/year, now you're says $340.
How about posting a story that CORRECTLY explains what the study says, rather than bouncing back and force from side to side to see who's standing behind what.
April 2, 2009 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
...you're saying $340.
April 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's 79 dollars per person per year, 340 bucks per average family.
April 2, 2009 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is what Brian wrote previously:
"In fact, the exact same study concluded that the actual costs to consumers would begin at $31 a year--or $79 per family. So the Republicans were off by a factor of about 40. But hey, what's an order of magnitude or two between friends. "
He has spent the past day or so bouncing all over the place with respect to this MIT study, interviewing people for their opinions and statements, and I've yet to see a true explanation of what the study says and why the Republican interpretation is wrong. Several people have asked and gotten answers in these threads from other posters, some good, some not so good.
I guess I'll read the study myself. Thanks for the link earlier, Brian.
April 2, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
One thing that is missing is that the "cost" varies with the year. If I remember correctly, as time goes, the later years will cost more than the earlier ones.
April 3, 2009 1:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
"We stand by our misrepresentation and we won't be swayed by your liberal facts."
April 2, 2009 2:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kind of like:
"I can make a firm pledge," Obama said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
"No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised," Joe Biden said, "whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax."
Now in office, Obama, who stopped smoking but has admitted he slips now and then, signed a law raising the tobacco tax nearly 62 cents on a pack of cigarettes, to $1.01. Other tobacco products saw similarly steep increases.
April 2, 2009 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
And Bush said he would attack Iraq only as a last resort. So I guess it's up to we as individuals to decide which is worse: Higher cigarette taxes or the unnecessary deaths of somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 human beings and the financial ruin it has brought to us.
Hmmmm......
April 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad, "SFC" - no one is compelled to smoke, are they?
You pompous fraud...
April 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
That must be more Republican distortion...I could've sworn he said "Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
April 2, 2009 4:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sarge, I'm disappointed in you. Usually you make at least a reasonable argument; I tend to disagree with you, but it's unlike you to twist things around like this. First, as someone else noted, he said, "under my plan..." before saying he wouldn't raise any taxes, and this isn't his plan. But more importantly, and as noted in the AP story (despite its sensationalist lede), we all knew he was talking about the income tax code. He said this hundreds of times, and then the AP and you go out picking the 3-4 times he left out the appropriate provisos. Give me a big break. We all knew what he was promising, and this isn't breaking it.
April 8, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Somebody's been caught getting their supposed "facts" from Drudge et al. links. Tsk, tsk, Wally. But then again, it's typical. Sad and typical distortions. Yet you seem proud to let everyone know it.
It is amazing how any Republican can look at themselves in a mirror.
April 2, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually it's from AP
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1
April 2, 2009 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
The AP IS a GOP shop Wallace. Just as bad as, if not worse than, FAUX "News". Keep reading and watching and you'll never have need of moonshine.
April 2, 2009 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh puh-lease try better. Drudge linked directly to the AP story! But by all means, you are more than welcome to take up smoking and pay more for it. And if you already do, well then you can consider it yet another Obama tax *cut* (like the one is this week's paycheck!) just by stopping.
April 2, 2009 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, yup, families making over $250,000 that smoke together get taxed together, you betcha!
April 2, 2009 3:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, you mean this?
Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act
The legislation increases spending by around $30 billion between 2009 and 2013. The increased funding is paid for with a 61-cent increase in cigarette taxes.
Congress passed that legislation that Bush vetoed last year, and Obama signed it on Feb. 4th. So, because Obama didn't veto the bill for having a cigarette tax in it, you're calling him a liar? That legislation wasn't part of the plan he was talking about in the first place and it was already in the works before he even said anything.
These righties just reek of desperation.
April 2, 2009 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well that's kind of what he said...let me see....I think it was..." Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
April 2, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oops. You forgot to include "Under my plan..."
Nice editing. You can work for Fox.
April 2, 2009 4:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What would you expect from a bunch of science deniers? You know, the incredible ass kissing of the religious wingnut contingent aside, I never understood why evolution denial became denial of all science in the Republican Party. Reagan was a huge supporter of the sciences. Maybe it's just easier for the poor things to remember if they are denying all science, rather than just one or two branches of it.
April 2, 2009 2:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
They don't even realize the ammo they're giving Dems and Obama.
Obama knows how to deliver a zinger when he wants to. I can see him getting in a good zinger, how the scientist from MIT (the expert on his own study!) had to write a letter to tell them they got it wrong, and they still go it wrong.
Sure some fundies will be impressed. But really, if we ever get to a point where a majority of Americans can't figure this stuff out, we're doomed regardless of politics. At that point we're headed for another dark age.
April 2, 2009 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ronald Reagan was a huge supporter of the sciences??? When was that? This is they guy who claimed we didn't need acid rain legislation to control sulfur dioxide because more sulfur dioxide came from trees than from power plants.
April 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
"We'll deal with the facts in each case as it arises."
Translation: We'll figure out the dumbest possible position to take and make up facts to support it.
Honestly, how can anyone be this stupid?
April 2, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ummm...Mikie? That's not YOUR analysis. It's Reilly's analysis. All you did was garble it.
April 2, 2009 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because we all know reality has a liberal bias.
April 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
mmmmmmm, know this has been said too two 2 many times: if you have to wear a suit to enter the room .....it's the wrong room. No, wait.... that wasn't it....If you wear a suit you get respect.....mmmmmm ......heck.....no not that either......mmmmm.....oh yeah got it! If you wear a suit people think you have brains! That was what I was looking for.
Now that we got that clear......
btw; when we gonna start arresting the looters??
Got to start sometime, ya know??
April 3, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The funny thing is, I would be willing to pay $3000 a year if it meant we would transition to a clean energy economy. Of course, it won't cost anywhere near that much. It costs me less than $100/year to buy 100% renewable energy from my local utility, and I can offset my annual driving and one-a-year flight for about $60 each from any of several high-quality providers (I prefer Terrapass). The $340 is very reasonable for what clean energy would actually cost a family.
April 3, 2009 10:05 PM | Reply | Permalink