Team Coleman Asks For Longer Timeline On Appeal Than Franken Wants
The Coleman campaign has now filed its reply to the Franken camp's motion yesterday for an expedited appeal in the Minnesota election litigation -- arguing that while this case does necessitate a sped-up schedule, they need more time than Franken has asked for.
"Appellants agree this is a time-sensitive case that should be resolved as expeditiously as possible," the filing says. "Appellants respectfully submit, however, that the parties, and the Court, must be given enough time to fully develop and consider the issues on appeal."
The proposed schedule from the Coleman side calls for their own brief to be submitted by next Thursday, April 30, for Team Franken to submit its brief by May 11, and for any reply brief from Coleman to be submitted by May 15, with an oral argument scheduled at a convenient time for the court after that.
By contrast, the proposed schedule from Team Franken calls for Coleman to submit his legal brief by next Monday, April 27, for Franken to submit his brief by Saturday, May 2, and for Coleman to file any new reply by that Monday, May 4, with oral arguments scheduled as soon as possible after those preparations.




















You can tell how desperately hopeless Coleman's team is by the fact that they inexplicably give the Franken team 11 days to respond (April 30 to May 11), where the Franken team has only asked for 5 days (April 27 to May 2). That makes absolutely no sense.
April 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Coleman's team figures the SCOMN will split the difference is all.
April 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
So split the difference and make it eight days. What's a few days among esteemed coleagues?
If Team Norm doesn't have their case lashed togeather by now they never will. But of course they really don't have a case, just BS to stall things along as slow as they can.
April 22, 2009 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's not inexplicable if their main objective is to delay any final decision as long as possible.
April 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, it makes sense. They don't want to ask for more time for themselves but cram the time down for Franken because the court will never allow that to happen. They want to appear like they're being fair to all sides so the court will go with their proposal. The coleman proposal is actually pretty reasonable and would result only in a 11 day delay from the impossibly short time frame proposed by Franken. The court will either adopt the Coleman proposal or split the baby in half.
April 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well...this certainly comes as a surprise.
April 22, 2009 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was pleasantly surprised to read this post. Coleman's timeline is a lot closer to Franken's than I expected. They are close enough that it seems to me like they ought to have been able to reach agreement and file a joint motion.
April 22, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're assuming there isn't a lot more foot-dragging to come. This is just the start.
April 22, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
There can't be any more delay. The court will set the timelines and the parties will comply, simple as that. No one is going to request a continuance of the time frame. The court will then set a date for oral argument and issue a decision when they choose. Given the time lines both sides have proposed, I would imagine oral argument by May 22 and a decision a week later.
April 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree, but I would hope that Coleman has a hard time selling the MNSCT on any delays once it enters a briefing schedule.
April 22, 2009 2:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, but they'll try. This offer just represents the longest time scale they think they can get away with. Anything more would just get them a smackdown by the MN-SC.
April 22, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Translation: we've already pulled everything out of our ass that we could, so it's going to take us longer now because we have to go back up in there and look again.
April 22, 2009 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
And thats a big-a$$ A$$ Norman's got there!
April 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
There is a legal reason team Coleman wants a slightly longer schedule - to be sure that no matter how fast the Minnesota Supreme Court decides the issue, the US Supreme Court will be in recess. That way, they file a petition for certiorari and even if the Supremes decide not to take the case, that will not happen until October.
April 22, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whether or not the Supreme Court is in recess, the petition to the Supreme Court would still need to be brought within 30 days.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/2101.html
To stay the judgment, in the mean time, he would need to convince the justice assigned to the 8th Circuit to stay it. That would never happen, even though it is Alito.
April 22, 2009 12:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your faith in Alito is touching...is it based on anything? Anything at all?
Put me down as one who does not want Coleman v. Franken to go anywhere near this SCOTUS. You have four solid votes to side with damn near anything deplorable so long as it fits a conservative ideology. This means that this would dangle by the thread that is Justice Kennedy's integrity. Yes, he has oftentimes broken with The Gang of Four.
And then...there was Bush v. Gore.
April 22, 2009 12:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Think about the implications of a SCOTUS ruling in favor of Coleman though. That would significantly expand equal protection review of voting rights. Sure, we'd lose the 59th Democratic Senator for a while and that would be disappointing. But think about progressive groups being able to effectively challenge the disparate ratios of voting machines in urban areas versus suburban and rural. I'm salivating at the prospect.
April 22, 2009 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think that theory holds water - in the statute cited in the link that eric the red posted on the time for petitioning for certiorari, Coleman actually would have 90 days from the Minnesota Supreme Court's decision to file a cert petition ... it's 28 USC 2101(c) that applies here because the MN Supreme Court's decision wouldn't fit either 2101(a) or 2101(b).
Since the U.S. Supreme Court considers cert petitions on a regularly-scheduled basis (at weekly "conferences") and the last conference scheduled for this term is June 25th (http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/08termcourtcalendar.pdf), even if the Minnesota Supreme Court rules on May 5th (hypothetically possible under the Franken schedule), Coleman already has the power -- because of the 90 day time to file the cert petition -- to kick this to the October U.S. Supreme Court calendar, even if the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled TOMORROW.
(It's rare, but the U.S. Supreme Court might agree to a special summer session for this case.)
But my basic point is this: Coleman's action in filing this proposed schedule is reasonable.
It also suggests, to my mind, that he may very well be looking at a strategy that involves giving up when and if the Minnesota Supreme Court rules against him, saying "he followed the procedure allowed under our law" and that he "respects the Minnesota Supreme Court's ruling as final." At this point, that's probably his best way of rehabilitating his future political career in Minnesota. If he were simply trying to delay this process, he would have proposed a much longer schedule, closer to the default rules of the Minn. S. Ct.
April 22, 2009 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coleman's timeline is simple: However long it takes him to be declared the winner. Any decision favoring Franken obviously was taken too fast.
April 22, 2009 12:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
In fairness, the times outlined by Coleman's team do not especially delay the process. I would guess the MN SC will want to move this case very quickly, but even so, Coleman's proposed schedule is not unreasonable.
It will be curious to see what the court comes up with as a briefing schedule.
April 22, 2009 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, for a case like this that's hardly an unreasonable schedule Coleman has proposed.
April 22, 2009 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coleman is just running a Fedayeen Saddam-style insurgency.
He's tried to kidnap the election, is holding one of Minnesota's senate seats hostage, has used IEDs (Improvised Election Deceptions), destroyed bridges of bipartisanship, used Lawyers of Mass Destruction to fill courtrooms with noxious gases (CO2-laden hot air), and used his surrogates to operate a ridiculous and unpersuasive propaganda campaign.
And like the Fedyeen Saddam, his fanatical insurgency is destined to collapse.
April 22, 2009 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans claim to be the party of less government, and they are starting with the Minnesota senate delegation.
April 22, 2009 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
My translation: somebody high in Team Coleman has a personal thing they can't or don't want to get out of hard-scheduled for this weekend. A wedding, a kid's play or some other miss it and I'll divorce you, buster kind of thing would be my guess. Something similar is probably driving the extra time they want to give Franken and the suggestion for hard date deadlines rather than a clock that starts running the day of filing.
April 22, 2009 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dear Minnesota,
Please stop FAILing.
Thanks, and kisses,
Everyone in America
April 22, 2009 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
That should read:
Dear NORM COLEMAN,
Please stop FAILing.
Minnesotans overwhelmingly want this nonsense to stop.
April 22, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
As long as we're all being held hostage by this obscene manipulation of the system, let's move on to the real-world situation we're in... and start the betting:
Franken gets seated, in December of 2009 (and I'm gonna say after Christmas). A year and a month after he was elected. That's my estimation.
Next..?
April 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
My bet is by this time next month the SCOMN will be finished and the SCOTUS will drop the case two weeks later. So, June 15. This may be a bit optimistic, but it has to end sometime. Seriously.
April 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
This must be the "clawing" Cornyn talked about.
April 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suspect Coleman asked for less time to submit his initial appeal than for Franken's response because Coleman already has had all the time since the decision to start working on his appeal, whereas Franken's needs to respond to specific arguments not yet seen.
Coleman's request is one of the most reasonable he's made throughout the process, and the SC is not likely to spend much effort deciding whether to grant a few days or a few more days.
The concern that the schedule is designed to delay SCOTUS review is intriguing, and would be more plausible if there were a Rove or Cheney behind it, rather than Coleman's ship of fools.
April 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
The district court already explored all the issues that were brought to litigation in the initial case, and the appeals court reviewed the work of the original court. All the Coleman camp needs to do is rework its arguments for the Supreme Court.
What the Hell would take them even as long as the Franken proposal? They should be thoroughly familiar with the material by now, and should have worked out all the additional need for evidence for the appeal?
This is either legal incompetence or a major delay effort by the Coleman Kamp. Nothing else. There is a clear time pressure on the Supreme Court to get this in, review the issues, evidence and prior decisions and then make a ruling on the already performed legal proceedings. Considering the time and effort already put into this case and the scrutiny it has gotten along the way, it is extremely unlikely that anything has been overlooked or wrongly decided under the law. The appeals court is a committee made up of highly trained and experienced experts, for Christ's sake.
If the Supreme Court is competent and is not ideologically biased, they will take the Franken proposal and blow the Coleman Kamp off. Then it will be a quick decision.
April 22, 2009 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, there you go, don't you?
April 22, 2009 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
There was no appeals court, this is straight from the election court to the SC.
Some of what you say is correct, but let me just say that an appeal does add layers of complexity to what you argue at the trial court level. Notably, you have to contend with the standards of review and how that affects your arguments. And you have to deal with issues such as harmless error. It's not as simple as repackaging your trial court brief.
April 22, 2009 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I seem to be channeling Sylvester (not the Marin County Tranny entertainer but the cartoon cat) because all I can think of to say is "Despicable!!!" with a spray of spittle to go with.
April 22, 2009 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coleman's proposal shouldn't be automatically assumed to be about "delay" - if you look objectively at what's proposed, it's actually a fairly reasonable schedule given that it's a case in the state's highest court and it involved a seven-week trial. Although I strongly believe Coleman should NOT have appealed and should QUIT NOW (and have no doubt that he lost, and that his appeal will not be successful), Franken's proposed schedule was ridiculously short. Under the Minnesota Supreme Court rules, the default schedule is as follows:
- filing of notice of appeal (this happened in this case on April 20th)
- appellant has 10 days to order the transcript of the trial proceedings
- court reporter has 60 days to prepare transcript
- appellant (Coleman) then has 30 days to file a brief
- respondent (Franken) then has 30 days to file a brief
- appellant has 10 days to file a reply brief.
Instead, Coleman has proposed 7 days from the filing of the notice of appeal to file his brief, then 11 days for Franken to file the response, then 4 days to file the reply -- less than 1/3 of the normal time provided in the rules.
If Coleman's team were intent on "dragging this out," they have ample latitude under the Minnesota Supreme Court's rules to ask for far more time than they did. So -- for once -- Coleman's lawyers have asked for something reasonable.
I do a fair bit of appellate work in state and federal courts, and preparing a brief with appendices on a case that involves as many factual issues as this one does in 7 days (even with a huge horde of lawyers, paralegals, and legal assistants, and even assuming they've been working on preparing things for a long time ... they still had to digest the 50+ page ruling of the 3-judge district court which came out about 10 days ago) is an enormous job -- which is why normally there are 30 days allowed for it.
I get really pissed off at fellow progressives who insist on enforcing "the rule of law" until it means we have to give people we disagree with the fair process that the law allows. The law in Minnesota - whether we agree with it or not - ALLOWS Coleman to file an election challenge, allows for an appeal, and doesn't give the governor the right to issue a certificate of election until the state court appeal process is over. The Minnesota people, through their legislature, decided in their wisdom that this process is how contested elections would be decided. Impatient people around the country have to let the process work -- and Coleman's team of lawyers has not been unreasonable in the timing and deadlines they have requested.
As I suggested above, whether or not Coleman should be pursuing the appeal at all is a different question -- he has almost no chance of winning, that I can see, and shouldn't be putting the state through this pain. That said, though, nothing that he's done is outside the bounds of the process the state allows, and in the case of his proposed schedule for briefs to the Minnesota Supreme Court, a 22-day schedule for completing briefing, when the default is 70 days, is pretty reasonable.
April 22, 2009 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Coleman's proposal seems fairly reasonable to me also. If Coleman wants three more days to prepare his brief, he probably ought to get it.
My only quibble is that the briefing schedule shouldn't be pegged to dates certain, but instead should depend on the filing of the last brief. Coleman proposes dates certain of April 30 (Coleman's principal brief), May 11 (Franken's response) and May 15 (Coleman's reply). Instead, the schedule ought to be no later than April 30 for Coleman's principal brief, Franken's response within 10 days after Coleman's brief is filed, Coleman's reply within 4 days after Franken's response is filed. That allows Franken to expedite the schedule if he is able to complete his response brief in less than 10 days.
April 22, 2009 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Normally, that is how the rules work. If you serve your brief early, that starts the clock for the other party. I'd make the first brief due on the 27th, though.
April 22, 2009 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
West of the Cascades
Good post. Many "progressives" posting here do not seem to understand the legal process imposed by Minnesota Election Law. I stop reading the TPM discussions on the Frank/Coleman contest because emoting seems to trump thinking here. Hope you most more often.
April 22, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hasn't Coleman been working on this appeal since like halfway through the trial?
April 22, 2009 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
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April 22, 2009 7:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Normie Coleman`s lawyer Ben Ginsberg can`t be trusted . PERIOD !!!
April 23, 2009 2:03 AM | Reply | Permalink