Texas Gov. Rick Perry Contemplates Secession
As they struggle to find political footing, rump Republicans, (even the formerly mainstream among them) are beginning to dabble in right wing extremism. That's not hyperbole. Indeed, you need look no further than Texas Gov Rick Perry, who seems to have gotten a bit carried away yesterday at a Tea Party Protest in Austin. "We've got a great union," Perry said, "There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it."
But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."
This comes less than a week after Perry appeared with sponsors and supporters of a Texas House resolution affirming the state's claim of sovereignty under the 10th Amendment. "I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state," Gov. Perry said.
That is why I am here today to express my unwavering support for efforts all across our country to reaffirm the states' rights affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. I believe that returning to the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution and its essential 10th Amendment will free our state from undue regulations, and ultimately strengthen our Union.The legislation itself (HCR 50) declares the state sovereign and demands "[t]hat all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed."
This isn't your garden-variety conservative rhetoric. It's actually considerably more radical than that. The Civil War (and, if that's not enough, a subsequent Supreme Court decision) makes clear that secession is illegal.
Beyond that, the Texas resolution (though silent on secession per se) appears to buy into the similarly discredited theory of 'nullification'--the idea that states are sovereign and can pick and choose which federal laws apply to them. This is illustrative, I think, of a problem that, in the United States at least, seems to particularly afflict conservatives--specifically, that even brief electoral reverses make it difficult for mainstream Republican politicians (like Perry), and members-in-good-standing of the conservative movement, to steer clear of the line between loyal opposition and truly fringe ideas. You saw a flash of this when Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R-MN) said she wanted Americans to be "armed and dangerous" against energy reform, then quickly walked it back, and in other instances as well.
There will be more to come, beyond what can plausibly be construed as irrational exuberance in the midst of a tea party.




















Put Perry in Federal Prison for Treason....he'll find out what true tea-bagging is in short order.
April 16, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Aw, c'mon, Brian, fix that headline! You oughta know the difference between succession and secession by now!
April 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh man, that is pretty bad.
April 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to join a cessation clinic!
April 16, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
ah geez.
today i had the good fortune to observe a classmate's presentation that declared the "importants of literacy." ugh. if only it had been delibrate!
April 16, 2009 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Shoot, man, I sent an email to my org's executive team asking them to reconsider doing business in Texas. It is just too unstable there.
We cannot have long-term ties with businesses based in a part of the country (or world for that matter) with such political instability.
What if one of my co-workers is trapped in Texas without proper TX ID papers or passport??? Will they let him out?? We are northern Yankees, after all here ...
April 16, 2009 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
They could be our Quebec!
April 16, 2009 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or Northern Mexico.
April 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
How much do you think we'd have to pay Mexico to take it back?
April 16, 2009 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we have been for years and they are almost there.
April 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Candidates for our Space Ark "B".
April 16, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Texas Secession?
Bring it.
Pull out the DoD money and Texas is just another flyover.
April 16, 2009 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention a potential buffer with the Mexican drug cartels?
April 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. They will be paying for their own border security and hurricane clean up.
April 16, 2009 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, come on now. Texans often use their 9 years as a Republic as a patriotic talking point. It's just rhetoric. Maybe Perry went a little far, being he's gov and not a state senator, but this isn't insanely abnormal in Texas.
April 16, 2009 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. It's insanely normal among Texass GOOPers.
April 16, 2009 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
true
April 16, 2009 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perry has gone certifiable "Bachmann".
April 16, 2009 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Texas is a welfare recipient of the Federal Government. Additionally, the Feds are the primary employer when you consider the military bases, airports and the prison system.
Someone needs to ask Governor Perry how he is going to pay for his fantasy-land. Perhaps TPM can get him on the record on this one . . .
April 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I believe they are one of the few red states that pays out more in federal taxes than they get back - I believe I read somewhere they get back $0.93 for every dollar taxed.
Of course how many military bases, and M-I-C factories are based in Texas? NASA gets crazy money as well.
Where is the moderate/non-wing nut Republicans to comment on this? Where is Kay Bailey Hutchison? Isn't she running against Perry in 2010? Wouldn't it make sense for somebody to to question her opinion on the matter?
April 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually its $0.94 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid to the gov't.
Which brings about the irony of all the other Anti-bailout/anti-tax hypocrite Governors... for example...
Palin's Alaska: $1.84 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid to the gov't.
Sanford's SC: $1.35 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid to the gov't.
Jindals's LA: $1.78 in federal spending for every tax dollar paid to the gov't.
source:http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html
April 16, 2009 1:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Recent polls -- the ones cited by GOOPers as evidence that Obama is extremely polarizing -- show that the number of self-identified Republicans has dropped by one quarter since 2004.
I'd guess that most of those Republicans about whom you inquire are now ex-GOOPers.
April 16, 2009 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
. . . and y'all can take some the adjacent Slave States with ya, K?
April 16, 2009 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen, biff. More specifically, OK, AR, and LA
April 16, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that."
Gosh, Rick, I dunno, how about you guys try winning an election?
Spending is really not much different now than it was 5 years ago - the difference now is that there's a scary BLACK MAN in the White House! Jeez. Just 3 months in and these douchebags are already in apoplexy. They're the gift that just keeps on giving.
April 16, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh dear God, Texas, just go for goodness sake. Most of the real mischief in this country originates in Texas. We really would be better off without it.
April 16, 2009 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
If good hair Perry wants a bad hair day, now might be a good time to relocate all federal military bases in Texas to neighboring states. That would help reduce the federal government's oppressive footprint in Texas. Maybe we could even subcontract Texas FEMA operations to Mexico.
April 16, 2009 12:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear Chuck Norris is exploring a Presidential bid!
Norris-Cornyn 2012
Don't Mess With Tejas!
I think our Master and Commander ought to impose a trade embargo if they don't willingly return the stolen property to Mexico
April 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perry is facing a substantuial challenge in the upcoming primary from Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison. Now even though ol'Kay Bailey is a Republican, and therefore a douchebag, she is not insane. Perry has been very busily playing to the base in advance of this primary, which he is going to lose. That doesn't excuse any of this ranting, of course. Personally, I think the guy should be hanged for treason. But there is a bigger picture.
April 16, 2009 12:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
What a scumbag
April 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
You damn San Francisco libuhruls think we're a funnin ya?
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y12/TexasFred/DontMessWithTexas2.jpg
April 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sounds like you just got back from a bone and brain bit hunt at Dealey Plaza.
April 16, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just back from a bone and brain bit hunt at Dealey Plaza?
April 16, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's cold
April 16, 2009 1:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Drinks on the house at Bottom of the Hill.
April 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hit 'em where it hurts. States compete with each other for a lot of federal grants. I'd love to see other states start saying "Your investment here is safe - we're not threatening to secede."
April 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck in any future conflicts with Mexico guys. I guess the Alamo will in the future called "Museo de Santa Ana".
Not only that, we'll kick the Cowboys out of the NFL.
April 16, 2009 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
My answer to the Guv: Remove all Federal facilities from Texas. I'm sure California wouldn't mind the Johnson Space Center. Move Ft. Hood to Nevada or Oregon. Maybe an airbase to New York.
April 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hanged for treason? Really.. Republican or Democrat, all douchebags. Guess who just suspended Habeas Corpus is anyone angry about that now that its Obama doing it
April 16, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perry is nuts and the politics in Texas is often backwards. However, reading these comments, I think a lot of people need to learn more about the state. Yes, like many states its size (CA included), it needs welfare but I wouldn't call it a welfare, fly over state. Houston has a strong economy (that is still growing), the state invests more than MA & CA combined in wind energy, Texas supports more Katrina victims than the federal govt. & LA, and lastly, did I mention the economy is still growing? And the DoD comment only applies to certain bases and THE U.S. Border.
April 16, 2009 1:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Kay Bailey Hutchinson is running against him in the upcoming primary next year. If she's smart, she'll position herself as the "real American" who loves her country and supports its troops, as opposed to Perry who hates America and hangs out with secessionist wackos.
I think that an appeal to American patriotism would work among Texas Republicans, where there are a huge number of veterans and active duty troops. We'll see if she has the guts to pursue it.
April 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is there a law against the United States voting to kick a state out?
I'm all for a Constitutional Amendment that creates a mechanism that lets States leave the Union. First the State has an election to decide the question, leave or not. Secondly the rest of the States have an election on whether or not we should allow the State to leave.
You might want to have some restrictions on how States can leave. For example, you might want to define the legal and financial ramifications of leaving such as taking on a portion of the national debt, receiving an appropriate amount of cash from Social Security, etc.
Bottom line, there is no law written 100 years ago that can't be changed today. Scotland is receiving more and more sovereignty. Why not let a group of people, or a State, that want to govern themselves differently than another group of people do that?
For me, I'm sick of the idiots on the Right. They are standing in the way of things that I want to happen (universal health care, gay marriage, mass transit, fiscally prudent government). Let them go.
April 16, 2009 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congress decides by legislation what is a State and who the United States are.
April 16, 2009 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buh-bye. Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you in the tush, you redneck fool.
April 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are other options for Texas besides leaving the union. They could be like DC. We could call it the Texas Autonomous Region or TAR.
Imagine a 98 member sentate without Cornyn and Hutchinson.
April 16, 2009 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not to mention like 20+ less Republicans in the House.
April 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
do these loons really believe they can win elections by catering to the extreme nut cases that make up the republican core?
kinda pathetic for a sitting gov. to be sooooooooooooooooooooooo ignorant.
but then again they let palin go on and on..so i guess this is just a natural extention of her craziness.
April 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is the moderate/non-wing nut Republicans to comment on this? Where is Kay Bailey Hutchison? Isn't she running against Perry in 2010? Wouldn't it make sense for somebody to to question her opinion on the matter?
I'm certainly not going to smear all of Texas because of Perry's rantings. I mean he did get elected with only 40% of the vote. Obama received 45% of the vote in Texas this past November. I just wish the non-nutjob Republicans/Conservatives would comment on the matter.
Sen Hutchison is challenging Perry for Governor in 2010, and there is a certain ex-President who currently resides in a Dallas(?) suburb - why are they not being asked to comment on this?
April 16, 2009 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rick Perry being an idiot is news? Not here in TX.
Seriously, why did this story bump the one about the NSA wiretapping a Member of Congress for the big headline on the TPM front page? No mention at all of the latter story there at all anymore.
April 16, 2009 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is little in politics or life for that matter that Stanley Kubrick failed to cover in Full Metal Jacket
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Holy dog shit. Texas? Only steers and queers come from Texas, Private Cowboy. And you don't look much like a steer to me so that kinda narrows it down. [Are you a teabagger]?April 16, 2009 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Accusations have been leveled against the governor
of Texas in some quarters.
April 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
So, I wonder if the wing nuts are trying to stir up trouble and taunt the administration into taking some sort of action and then blow the reaction out of proportion and say the administration are trying to shut people up and hope the confrontation will escalate even further until it absorbs all the administrations political effort to calm things down.
Yeah yeah, I'm a conspiracy theorist theorist.
April 16, 2009 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why couldn't they have seceded before that fucking idiot so-called Texan George W. Bush created this situation that all these wingnuts are now complaining about?
April 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok...lets see. If Texas leaves the Union. Then all Texans will need to return to Texas until such time as normal relations can be established and they are able to obtain visas. Of course all US departments and offices will be closed. A formal, patrolled boarder will be established.
They will need to establish their own currency and it's exchange rate on the international market. (Considerably lower than the Euro, I would imagine.) All rail, automobile and air travel would be suspended. Their educational system would need international accreditation, of course as well as their health care.
All US based businesses would be closed until such time as the above is finalized, since there would need to be trade policy established as well.
All communications systems would need to be disconnected from the US until tariffs are in place.
And this is just for starters.
C
April 16, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Because as we all know, this disastrous scenario is what played out when the Czech Republic and Slovakia went their separate ways, right?
April 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good riddance. Please take Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee and Louisiana with you.
April 16, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is sedition, pure and simple. This is not free speech. This is unpatriotic at minimum, treason at the maximum. As public servant, Perry needs to be brought to justice and tried in Federal and state courts for attempting to undermine the Constitution. The fool is treading dangerous ground with this rhetoric and I, for one, do not take it lightly.
April 16, 2009 1:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would so relish the opportunity to go to war to bring these assholes back into the Union. Not because I care about Texas or anything, but because I would love the opportunity to bust a Sherman's march through there. These assholes have never really surrendered after the Civil War, and they always talk shit like 'The South will rise again' or some shit like that. This time, we'll do the job right---and that means total war against these clowns.
Bring it on.
April 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sedition?
Funny, I don't recall this sort of hostility when the Second Vermont Republic was making secessionist noises during Bushtime. Not that the Bushies would have ever let them go in peace.
But this is what you get when one group of clowns insists that all American children should be taught creationism, and another group of clowns insists that all American children be taught sex ed. God forbid that Texans and Vermonters be allowed to decide these things without the iron fist of Washington, D.C.
This mutual intolerance is getting truly ugly.
April 16, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't Believe the GOVERNOR of Vermont called for sucession. The difference between a group of citizens(and local elected officials) displaying some misgivings regarding their President and a Governor of one of the largest states in the country is huge and your comparison is a bit of a stretch.
As far as you "Iron Fist" comment... The Federal Gov't has a vested interest in the quality of education its citizen recieve. First, Creationism is not science it's a religion. Second Proper Sex-ed is important because w/o it you end up w/ states like Texas that have an extremely high teenage birth rate(abstinance only education doesn't work and is therefore a waste of the federal government's money).
Although I agree that the tone of discourse lately is a bit disturbing.
April 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, when did the sitting Governor of VT threaten secession?
April 16, 2009 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it hurts alot more when you're out of power, huh?
April 16, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean.
I don't have a dog in the partisan hunt. I fear my government no matter who's running it. We've gone from a regime that promulgated policies of illegal wiretaps, denial of habeas corpus, and torture to a government that promulgates policies of illegal wiretaps, denial of habeas corpus, and -- while not explicitly endorsing torture -- actively covering up the previous regime's torture policies.
We've gone from a regime in which Hank Paulson bailed out crooks to a regime in which Tim Geithner bails out crooks.
So spare me the partisan sniping. I have equal contempt for all.
April 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Equal contempt for all? Lonely are the brave, huh?
April 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
And the pure, as well.
April 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
To expect "on day one" (or 100 for that matter) for the New Administration to right all the wrongs of the Previous Administration is at best nieve.
So, your point of the new Admin's use of "Illegal" Wiretaps(which have now been disclosed to Intelligence commitees,not to mention changes to FISA procedures) and Habeus Corpus (Hello? Gitmo ordered closed) is not grounded in reality.
As far as torture prosecutions I believe that could set a bad precedent for going after previous administrations every time we have a new party in control. The court of public opinion has already given a verdict.
A side Note: Your rhetoric is at least civil, and you are entitled to your own opinions. I personally don't belive the facts are on your side but you presented take on these issues with the respect and seriousness they deserve
April 16, 2009 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please, dear God, let them go. Take the rest of the South as well
They've been nothing but trouble from Enron, to George Bush --go Texas go!
April 16, 2009 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perry is not the Governor of all Texans. He "won" the last election with only about 35% of the vote. He's really not as popular as it seems. He is as crazy as he seems, though.
April 16, 2009 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go Ahead. It worked out SOOOOOO well last time Southerners thought up this one.
April 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fully endorse the sentiment expressed here. I mean, secede. Go ahead. I also wouldn't stop Alaska from joining Texas and doing the same, either.
April 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
How ironic would it be if Obama were the President that had to deal with a second attempt at secession.
Imagine all the Obama trying to act like Lincoln stories then!
April 16, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, I'm only a middle school US History teacher (who is an avowed independent), not a constitutional law scholar, but here's the thing... As idiotic as Perry may sound, having read the resolution there is *some* sense to parts of it. The 10th Amendment is designed to give powers to the states and the people that are not specifically given to the Federal government.
One of the areas in question could be education. The power to create and maintain schools is reserved for the states. However, any federal law that would force states to take specific actions with regards to their schools should, by the 10th Amendment, be somewhat unconstitutional. That is a reasonable, logical conclusion, I think.
Now, the Elastic Clause does allow Congress to do things that are "necessary and proper" to carry out its enumerated duties. It would take a fairly loose reading of Article I to really squeeze education reform and control into the list of things that the federal government can do. I'm sure that there are numerous examples of arm-twisting and outright "bribe" situations where the federal government forces the states to do things that the federal government sholdn't be able to. It would make for, I think, a very interesting test case.
So even if the motivation is crystal clear partisan, don't dismiss the fact that some of the federal government's practices might be a little "expansive." The opponents of Bush certainly criticized him for it for 8 years, there is no reason why the opponents of the Democrats shouldn't do the same. However, throwing all your toys out of the playpen and quitting the game just because you lost an election is a bit much.
April 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a US history teacher, you ought to know all about nullification. This is just a modern-day version of the same. Next thing you know they're going to dig up John C. Calhoun.
April 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
This isn't exactly nullification though. Nullification (and the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions) tried to claim that states had the right to declare laws unconstitutional. Neither of those attempts were successful, except in that they helped turn public sentiment and put political power into compromise on their particular issues (Nullification led to a graduated lessening of the tariff, Ky&Va Resolutions were blows against the Alien and Sedition Acts)..
Now, you tell me how it is within the intent of the constitution that the federal government can force states to take actions that the federal government is not allowed to take constitutionally. That would seem, to me anyway, to flaunt the intent of separating powers between the federal and state governments. Again, I'm sure the wingnuts will use and abuse this, but shouldn't we at least entertain the notion that the federal government, one that we like or not, might just be treading on the states a little bit?
April 16, 2009 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Accept, I'm Sure, that Perry would try to keep all the "Toys" in his playpen after quiting the game.
This guy is in Bachmann/Steele territory....(on the way out)
April 16, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Tuscaloosa, AL tea party featured Robert McCain as speaker. McCain is active in the secessionist, neo-confederate League of the South.
The tea baggers wave the flag, but more than a few of them hate America.
April 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
"But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people"
perry's smoking crack. the bush administration (enabled breathlessly by the beltway media) thumbed its nose at roughly 60% of the american public for years, claiming that "polls don't matter" or some such nonsense. that 60% made itself heard on election day, and the only people thumbing their nose at the american people are the republicans, because they don't like the way the election turned out.
April 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Texas, arguably the most arrogant state in the nation, gave us George Bush. They should be apologizing, not attacking the rest of the country.
Fuck Texas.
April 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
You have as much historical sense as Glenn Beck.
Connecticut gave us both Bushes and Joe Liebermann.
April 16, 2009 3:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
WRONG!!! Try Again... While Bush was BORN in Conn, He grew up in TEXAS, went to elementary and middle school in TEXAS, went AWOL from the Air National Gaurd in TEXAS while his Dad was a congressman from TEXAS, he was F**king Governor of TEXAS and now lives in....... TEXAS.
If George Bush is from Conn. that John McCain is from PANAMA. Get a Grip... On REALITY
April 16, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Although I do agree Glenn Beck has no sense (historical or otherwise)
April 16, 2009 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best part of this is that the Bush Presidential Library wouldn't even be in the United States. How sweet is that.
Secede please!!!
April 16, 2009 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder what the strict constipationists would say about why the Tenth Amendment has become a dead letter:
In the last day or so, the city of San Francisco has generated some controversy by contemplating taking over the distribution of medical marijuana. This conforms to CA state law but violates federal law. The DoJ's office has been out front criticizing this possibility.
I wonder what Rick Perry would say about a state's attempt to defend its citizen's rights to self medication? (Thomas Jefferson was reported to be a big proponent of this unenumerated right.)
April 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Of course, Perry would find that completely objectionable and have no understanding how that would be inconsistent with his position.
And there's no shortage of Californians who would insist on their right to self-medication, but likewise insist on Washington's right to regulate firearms ownership in Texas.
No one has clean hands in this pathetic dispute.
April 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, you comparisons have little merit.(although civil, again I thank you.) Marijuana itself CAN NOT KILL YOU no matter how hard you try. It is less toxic than asprin. There is no known overdose amount. You can't even kill a lab mouse with Pot.
Please explain why you believe Pot should be illegal and guns can (and Are) purchased Legally by criminals and the mentally unstable. (I'm not saying all gun owners fall under these 2 categories) Explain how Banning AK-47's infringes on hunters or those who want to protect themselves.
You can't rob a liquor store w/ a Bag of Pot.
April 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where, oh where, did I say pot should be illegal?
And why are you shocked at my civility? I seek to provoke thought, not people.
April 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alright as a homesick Texan, I feel I have to stand up to some of the bashing going on here. Yes, there are a lot of wingnuts, but keep in mind that TX also brought us Stevie Ray Vaughn, Steve Earle, Molly Ivins, Larry McMurtry, Buddy Holly, the Dixie Chicks, Ann Richards, Willie Nelson, Tommy Lee Jones, and fajitas.
I'd also like to remind everyone that George W. was, in fact, born in Connecticut.
I say we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I propose we let the western/southwestern part of the state join New Mexico and let the central and eastern sections (where most of the real nutcases preside) go.
April 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right. Don't forget Jim Hightower and Kinky Friedman! Blue Texas.
April 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
You sir, must be a knave not a
Texan. It was Jim Hightower's buffoonery that gave us Rick Perry in statewide office to begin with and Kinky Friedman is one of the third party jokers who helped keep him Governor last go round.
April 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Mr. Cat, we gave them nachos. Fajitas came from Mexico.
April 16, 2009 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm....maybe we can split the difference? How about "developed IN Texas by Mexican rancheros"?
April 16, 2009 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fair enough....
I must object to the reference to W. being FROM Connecticut. While it is True he was Born there, he in fact Grew up in Texas.
Do we refer a to John McCain as from Panama?
(for those who are unaware McCain was born in Panama)
April 16, 2009 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say he was "from" Connecticut; I said he was "born" there. He also attended boarding school in Mass. and attended college at Yale and Harvard. Calling him a "Texan" and making Texas responsible for his moronic behavior should, at the very least, involve the use of an asterisk.
April 16, 2009 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm sorry, but that is the weakest defense of liberal Texas I have ever read. This is why you shouldn't write off the whole state:
1) 4 of the most culturally & racially diverse & integrated large cities in the nation. Houston and Austin voted overwhelmingly for Obama. C'mon- Boston & San Fran, & DC are segregated at worse and homogeneous at best.
2) invests more heavily than any other state in alternative energy. Took all the wind turbines MA turned down. Also, the economy is doing just fine in Tejas.
3) Brisket, Janis Joplin, TexMex, SXSW, Rice U., Texas Medical Center, the Menil Collection, etc.
4) Really stepped up after Katrina. Atleast, compared to the fed and other states.
5) Hope for some more Ann Richards..
April 16, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
As much as we would like it to happen, it won't. Once the good citizens of Texas realize that being independent would mean their football teams would not be eligible for the national championship of college football of the United States of America Perry would be toast.
April 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Equal contempt for all? Lonely are the brave, huh?
April 16, 2009 3:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually we Texans will be taking Oklahoma with us and there will be no more intercollegiate football. (We have only been funning you Yankees for years with the illusion of OU anyway. All their players are from Texas too.)
April 16, 2009 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Some of you are totally delusional. Texas has a highly diversified, trillion dollar economy and a highly skilled workforce. We have more Fortune 500 companies than any other state. We are the center of the oil industry and a major player in defense and aerospace. The only nuclear weapons plant in America is located in Texas.
There is no way that the U.S. would be able to bring Texas back into the Union by force. The resulting war would be devastating both militarily and economically. You would be looking at millions of casualties and a possible nuclear war. Invading Texas would be like invading France or England, except we're armed to the teeth.
You want to do a Sherman's march through Texas? Be my guest. It would turn into a death march real quick.
April 16, 2009 3:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
And did he mention we got guns, y'all.
April 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Y'all better take Crazy Texas real serious now.
First we cut off you oil. And if that doesn't work we will cut off your marijuana. And if that doesn't work we will cut off your supply of illegal aliens.
April 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Our Oil? Texas Oil is sold in the open market just as any other. We get more from Canada.
Our Marijuana? 60+% of the Pot bought/sold/used in the US is grown in California. Very little actaully come from Mexico
April 16, 2009 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your handle is quite apt.
April 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Plus the port of Houston second largest in tonnage in the US. I dont agree with secession but theres a reason Texans talk trash. Its because we can back it up. What military force is going to stop secession of Texas anyway most of the military population is made up of southern states.
April 16, 2009 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Texas leaders are always saying how much they hate Washington and being part of America. Then why don't they recall U.S. Sens. Cornyn and Hutchinson, and all their House members back to Texas?
April 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
What, you think we sent those guys up there because we like you?
April 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
make sure the guv takes the Dallas Cowboys with them when they leave!
April 16, 2009 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Question to the smart states. Who controls over 65% of all fuel within the US? Which states are running a surplus? If we took our tax dollars away from Washington and invested it in Texas, how would the US pay their bills? Some of you people amaze me, you wouldn't fight Iraq, Iran or North Korea, but if Texas wanted to pull out of the US, you would want to go to war (what a joke). Texas could secede if it wanted and the US would do nothing to stop it. The US might go to the UN, but would do nothing in the form of military to stop us.
April 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Perry.
April 16, 2009 4:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Texas - It's like a whole other country!
April 16, 2009 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink