Cheney: "I Don't Think We Should Just Roll Over"
Appearing on Fox News with Neil Cavuto, former Vice President Dick Cheney strongly responded to those who have criticized him for his public campaign against the Obama administration's decisions about interrogation/torture programs.
"Well, I don't pay a lot of attention to what the critics say, obviously," said Cheney. "I - from my standpoint, the notion that I should remain silent while they go public, that I shouldn't say anything while they threaten to disbar the lawyers who gave us the advice that was crucial in terms of this program, that I shouldn't say anything when they go out and release information that they believe is critical of the program, and critical of our policies but refuse to put out information that would show the results that we're able to achieve -- bottom line is we successfully defended the nation for seven and half years against a follow-on attack to 9/11. That was a remarkable achievement, nobody would have thought that was possible, but it was. I believe it was possible because of the policies we had in place, which they're now dismantling."
Cavuto then asked if this means the Obama administration is increasing the risk of another attack.
"I think that we are stripping ourselves of some of the capabilities that we used in order to block, if you will, or disrupt activities by al Qaeda that would have led to additional attacks," said Cheney. "I think that's an important debate to have. I don't think we should just roll over when the new administration says -- accuses us of committing torture, which we did not, or somehow violating the law, which we did not. I think you need to stand up and respond to that, and that's what I've done."




















Will, Dickwad, If ya can't roll over and play dead, could you at least play dead?
May 12, 2009 5:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
LOL.
I sincerely wish Cheney would roll over one last time. Clearly, this man is a sociopath--I can't stand to look at his eyes.
This: "I don't think we should just roll over when the new administration says -- accuses us of committing torture, which we did not, or somehow violating the law, which we did not."
Of course you didn't "violate" anything Dick, just the laws and inhabitants of an entire country.
May 13, 2009 4:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Keep talking, Dick, keep talking.
I'm just counting the days to the inevitable "you can't handle the truth" tirade.
May 12, 2009 5:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's clearly going to keep talking. While I would find the "you can't handle the truth" tirade deeply entertaining, I fear that the reaction will be "Oh, poor Dick. Obviously under stress we weren't aware of. Poor thing. Must be health issues". And he'll be let off the hook in the court of public opinion.
I want him to keep talking because I hope he implicates himself further.
And I see only good for the Democrats in Dick Cheney being the public face of Republicans.
May 12, 2009 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ooops, ya beat me to it. Great minds and all that.
May 12, 2009 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
there is no way that Dick Cheney can win an argument on the basis of facts so he is obliged to obfuscate. But the sad thing is that his lies simply do not make sense and most even-handed Americans are truly sickened enough to barf when they hear him talk about what has been done in their name. Mr. Cheney just does not get it that the vast majority of Americans want to be proud of our record of fairness and law and order. He, his assistant G. W. Bush, and all those Republican cohorts let our party down by pushing this despicable behavior thus showing the world the worst of the worst among us. As Republicans, we should hold him and Bush responsible for their war crimes and do it right now!!!!! And if the Party does not do so, so many of us will just have to leave the party of torture.
May 16, 2009 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he'll just keep continuing to imply he saved us all from holocaust, while claiming that the Obama Admin doesn't want to release the intel for partisan reasons.
When will he be called on the obvious holes in that theory?
Why didn't the Bush Admin release it themselves if it's so great? Why allude to it now?
Didn't the Bush Admin repeatedly claim operational victories in cases that turned out to be bogus? A guy with a blowtorch, stoners pretending to be terrorists, etc.
Wasn't there an 8 year gap between AQ's1993 WTC bombing and the 9-11-2001?
If the Bush Administration received such great intel, why haven't more terrorist cells been rolled up? Why are all the detainees from battlefields? Where is the proof that the Bush Administration did anything to keep us safe?
May 12, 2009 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Keep talking Dick, just keep talking.
May 12, 2009 5:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think we're already getting a hint from the Rockefeller story that whatever we find in the CIA documents is going to be exactly what Dick dictated to be written there.
May 12, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmmm... it was cheney's own DoJ Office of Professional Responsibility that, after taking 5 years to investigate (!) itself recommended disbarment for the lawyers. Seems like cheney is attacking the wrong party!!!!
May 12, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I find Cheney's use of language to be interesting. It is usually carefully parsed to not quite answer the question.
For instance: When he was asked recently if Bush knew what he (Cheney) knew, he basically said that a decision was made without Bush and then sent to Bush to rubber-stamp. This not only fits my preconceptions about Bush being a puppet, but it fits the notion that Cheney (and in some cases the Principals Committee or other groups) operated on their own, and thus while Bush deserved to be impeached while in office, Cheney and others might deserve worse now.
I think he's doing a service here, even if inadvertently. I do think he's crossed a line of propriety a couple of times along the way.
May 12, 2009 7:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
As folks have already said it's good he's come out of the woodwork for the sheer hope that he will implicate himself.
This is the most the world has seen of Cheney since he became VP. It's a bit off putting because he is so hideous, physically and mentally, but at the same time like some twitching roadkill I just can't stop staring!
May 12, 2009 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
You left out the one key area where he is most hideous, and that is morally hideous. We as a people need to demand from our government that the likes of Cheney, Rove, Bybee and Yoo be brought to justice.
May 12, 2009 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
His noisy breathing has a similar effect (Darth Vader sound effect toned done a notch).
May 12, 2009 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wish someone would point out that for a former VP to broadcast to our enemies that we are somehow less protected now, is in fact, an invitation for them to attack.
His media blitz itself makes us less safe and if he really was so concerned about the safety of America he would have volunteered and served rather than evading such service.
May 12, 2009 7:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would agree with you, except for that fact that I think Cheney is actually wrong. We are not less safe, and that intel is just confusing to any terrorist who interprets it that way.
I think he's trying to keep it out of court so he doesn't have to go under oath. Since the Obama administration has remained silent, it's up to Congress to keep things moving. We should not protect the authorization and design of interrogative torture.
He could be testing the intelligence of any court, however. He's working on the rhetoric of his legal defense.
May 13, 2009 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
While each time Darth Vader Cheney appears in the media it is great news for the Democrats simply because he is a disgusting liar who failed to prevent 9/11, started the wrong war which resulting in the deaths of many innocents, the fact is that in every case it is the MSM who invited him to be on the air. And who will continue to do so, unlike any other former VP and member of a political party that was trounced in November. That speaks volumes about the MSM. Faux News, George Stephanopolous, Bob Schieffer, David Gregory...they all fawn over Cheney, Newt and the Repubs. It's expected from the simple-minded RNC-supported Faux News, but George, Bob and David fake their supposed objectiveness.
Cheney would not have a soapbox to spew from if the MSM did not invite him on the air in the first place. He does not just show up at their door for tricks or treats.
May 12, 2009 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's basically daring people to charge him with War Crimes and betting that they're too big of pussies to do it.
The sad fast is that they are.
One wished that some US Attorney out there would have the balls to go off the reservation and craft an indictment. Dare the President and the AG to fire him over it.
John
May 12, 2009 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know what I find really rich? That he keeps touting the fact that these "techniques" kept the country from suffering ANOTHER attack, post-9/11. Well then, what about the intelligence that was gathered legally and presented to the president in August 2001, warning him of an impending attack?! Oh, I forgot, 9/11 changed *everything*.
May 12, 2009 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
There it is!
May 16, 2009 11:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The reality is that this gang of narrow minded fascists - Cheney, Rove, Bybee, John Yoo - made this country significantly less safe by not only their methods of torture, but their unjust misguided war with Iraq that drew new recruits to the radical side of the terrorist movement like a magnet. New martyrs by the tens of thousands. Yes, these "Americans" are fascists, defined as "extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice". We owe it to ourselves and the world to bring these miscreants to justice.
May 12, 2009 8:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
RE:"I Don't Think We Should Just Roll Over"
MY COMMENT: That's our "Pricky Dick" Cheney!
May 12, 2009 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
i think the investigation on torture, who did it, who authorized it, when?, where?....without blaming it on the Obama administration. Let's go!
May 12, 2009 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just do not get it. Why does the MSM keep giving this guy a platform on Sundays and evening talk shows?
AND EVERYONE IS SCARED TO DEATH OF HIM!
No one ever challenges his stance on torture or Obama making the country less safe or points out that cutting back govt spending in a recession can lead to a depression.
He finished with a 20% approval rating and has NO CREDIBILITY.
Yet the press LOVE putting him on TV! What gives??
May 12, 2009 9:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why? Because we're reacting. We're hot under the collar about it. The only thing the MSM doesn't want us to be is indifferent. Same goes for Cheney; the nation's indifference would be the unkindest cut of all for the old egomaniac.
The more we fuss and fume about him, the better for both him and the press.
May 12, 2009 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why wouldn't someone in the former Administration have leaked these magical memos, if there was a shred of specific, exculpatory information about specific attacks prevented?
Why didn't they leak them in November 08? Last week? Yesterday?
May 12, 2009 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney doesn't care what you say about him; as long as his picture's on your front page, he's a happy camper. Keep up the good work.
May 12, 2009 9:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney didn't run his mouth this much the whole eight years he was veep.
May 12, 2009 10:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
This whole campaign of Cheney's hasn't made sense to me until now. Suddenly I think the only scenario that rings true is that he's been told what's coming down... what's about to be released... and this campaign is all preemptive, including trotting his daughter out to score points. Time will tell if it was insiders still loyal to the Cheney presidency or whether Obama's people gave him a heads up, but he knows that some serious crap is about to hit the fan and he's trying to get out in front of it. But he's cooked. Maybe he won't serve time for his crimes, but his name will be mud forever, will have a resonance akin to that of Benedict Arnold's in tomorrow's history books.
May 12, 2009 11:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo.
I've had a feeling he wants to rally the faithful for a "last stand."
May 13, 2009 12:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is exactly what I have been thinking. He knows that he is guilty of war crimes and is trying to soften the eventual blow of justice (should our country have the cojones to actually deal it).
May 13, 2009 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is a blatantly obvious "pre-emptive" defense on Cheney's part. He knows what lies ahead and his only hope is to saturate State Run Media with unquantifiable End-Justifies-The-Means claims.
Cheney knows that none of the so-called journalists that interview him will bother to point out two simple facts that render moot any argument that he may have:
A) legal precedent shows that the techniques endorsed and pushed for by the Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal, including waterboarding, amount to torture and, B) torture is a war crime under U.S. federal law and a violation of international law under Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. Both of which the U.S. Supreme Court clearly set the Bush Administration on notice for back in December 2006 with their ruling on Hamdan v. Rumsfeld.
Cheney is simply betting that his on-air defense will ensure that the vocal (and cowardly) hard-right minority will be both ignorant enough to swallow his propaganda hook, line and sinker -- and loud enough to scare off any prosecution for the war crimes committed.
Sadly, Cheney calculated efforts are likely to be successful given President Obama and his administration's cowardice on this subject. This is one area where Obama's "pragmatic" political approach shows complete disdain for the basic rule of law. Frankly, it angers me to no end. Despite how it is repeatedly portrayed by the media, for most of us this is not about politics. It's about right and wrong -- plain and simple.
May 13, 2009 12:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just a deep thought:
What if they really are willing to act like a [their words] "Banana Republic" and threaten our safety with a militia. 23% is a minority, but which per capita own more guns since that is the hard core conservative wedge issue. We are already extended militarily, and I've found that what's on a Republican politician's mind is usually what sticks-- even if grossly hypocritical.
I think that for safety reasons possibly political and personal that Obama needs to stay away from this issue. The other branches of government need to do their jobs. Looking for an Executive Order would seem too heavy handed. I think Congress' best defense for not acting sooner is that they were scared. They were scared of terrorists and the previous administration. They were being too short sited. It may still be inexcusable, but that's what elections are for. If someone can do it better, let them.
May 13, 2009 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think what angers me the most is Cheney is still doing what he has done to this country for eight year, he's spreading fear. Never in our history have our leaders said, "be very scared." They've said, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." And sadly it is still working, people are listening to Cheney and congratulating him on keeping us "safe." But how do we protect ourselves from this cancer of fear that he spreads?
I think someone, such as MoveOn, need to put out an ad of Cheney's greatest hits, all his fear-mongering threats over the past eight years. Maybe if people see it all together they'll figure out this guy is no leader, he took advantage of a bad time in our country. And maybe show some of our leaders in times of great threat encouraging us to be courageous instead of afraid. I'm tired of listening to his cowardness.
May 13, 2009 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did Cheney's daughter imply today that the former president and secretary of state are more concerned about lawyering up than they are the safety of our nation?
Also I've read that Rice strongly disagreed with Cheney during the last few years of the Bush administration over reinstating torture techniques, so does that mean she was endangering the country as Cheney accuses Obama of doing? And evidently Bush didn't reinstate the torture interrogations, so he also was putting us at risk during the last few years...by Cheney's logic.
May 13, 2009 1:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Blunderdick is a fearful man. He is clearly afraid, and rightfully so, that he is going to be prosecuted for conspiracy etc. He is clearly, like Blagojevich out there trying to control public perception so that he can try to reduce the will of the country to hold everyone accountable.
It's pathetic that he is also using her daughter and that she is trying to sell the same bullcrap blather that her father is dishing up. He is shrewd but he is also an idiot. And he is looking more pathetic and impotent every day.
May 13, 2009 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
You're so right about that public perception thing. I also like to call it gaslighting the public, which Cheney-devil has been accomplishing for several years. I wonder if he believes his own insane rantings? Not surprising that his daughter is aping his behavior-- old Dick must be worried.
Will Obama, or dear Congress ever be ready to investigate, let alone prosecute Mr. Cheney-devil?
Does this country have laws that are to be upheld, or not?
When I was a child I was upset by a teevee show with Karen Black and some kind of mini-zombie. Ms. Black's character was continuously terrorized by this "zombie devil-like" thing for hours until she finally eliminated "it." Actually, the evil spirit of the mini-devil critter managed to possess Ms. Black's character, (or spirit)--surprise! I'll have to google the show, because for some strange reason, Mr. Cheney reminds me of this particular zombie-devil that would not go away.
It is critically important that these asshats are prosecuted for their many crimes-so Cheney and his cohorts might shut up for awhile--until their memoirs are written in prison, or did Cheney already finish his?
I hope not.
May 13, 2009 5:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dick Cheney's publicity tour is broadcasting loud and clearly that he will go down with the ship. The party suffered fractures during it's greatest achievement (White House and Congress in its pocket)by pandering to extremists, so he's now out to bring them together again. All those who've jumped to the libertarian side are perking their ears at what this "esteemed statesman" has to say, and are probably thinking of getting back on board. I mean, those damn libertarians expect true capitalists to talk the talk AND walk the walk. Too hard! Better to go back to the familiar way of thinking in America: Republicans are capitalists, Democrats are socialists.
And the stage has been set perfectly for all the pieces to fall into place.
May 13, 2009 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
He had 19% approval rating which means Republicans don't like him much either. He is not such an 'esteemed statesman.'
May 13, 2009 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cheney strikes me as one of those firemen, who starts fires so he can run in and rescue people. I hope someone is monitoring his access to yellow cake!
May 13, 2009 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Except that when Cheney starts a fire he sends other peoples' children, husbands, and wives in to rescue them as he sits tight in an "undisclosed location."
I honestly think he is trying to screw Bush as well as Obama. Cheney is covered either way. By saying Obama is making us less safe, if something happens, he can gleefully gloat. If the torture issue comes down to trials, Cheney is on tape saying Bush authorized them. Remember, Cheney wasn't in the Executive Branch, according to him?
I think he is very bitter about bush being a little bit independent in the end, and this is his way of getting back at him.
May 13, 2009 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
An anagram
(you know, change the letters around) for
Dick Cheney is
Chick Needy.
If the bastard had just gotten laid in the last 8 years, maybe he wouldn't have turned out so Darthesque.
May 13, 2009 8:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
I tried changing the letters around, to come up with something nasty, vile and repugnant. I came up with: Dick Cheney
May 13, 2009 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
He's blaming the lawyers 'who gave us the advice that was crucial.' The lawyers were following orders after the fact to find legal loopholes to allow torture.
7-1/2 years of "safety." Yes, 7-1/2 years of turning the world against the USA, of two tragic never ending wars, and ending with a wrecked economy. Very safe indeed.
Go away Dick Cheney, you are bringing out the worst in people. You and your demon spawn Liz just go back into your fortress and stay there. I wonder that you travel about so freely if you really believe that the USA is so unsafe under the new administration.
May 13, 2009 9:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
if i were yoo, bybee, haynes, addington or any of those torture lawyers, i don't know how happy i'd be with dick cheney going on the air and saying how "crucial" those opinions were to america's torture program.
May 13, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
THE CORE OF THEIR TORTURE ARGUMENT: That if we perform these acts on our soldiers during training, therefore, these acts are not torture. Is the same as saying that if you perform acts(sexual acts) with your wife, then it is okay if you perform those acts on a 13 year old. Since they are both sexual acts, therefore they are both okay. One is a loving act, the other is sexual molestation. Just because an act is okay under condition A, doesnt mean that same act is okay under condition B. This goes to the SERE vs Torture framing that cheney is using as defense.
So, if it is okay for you to perform an act(a killing act) on enemy soldiers, you cannot claim that this makes it okay for you to do the same to 12 of your neighbours. One is serving your country, the other is murder. You cannot claim that since they are both the same act of killing, therefore killing 12 of your neighbours is somehow justified. The same way these torture apologist are using SERE training to justify torture. Like i said, Just because an act is okay under condition A, doesnt mean that same act is okay under condition B.
If you are to follow the cheney logic of: this is done to our soldiers, therefore it is okay. One can use that strain of reasoning to justify practically anything. Think of it. I can always find a condition where something is bound to be legal or even moral, then turn around and say, since it is moral/legal in this situation( A), therefore it is moral/legal under new situation( B) that suits me. I can use that reasoning to justify anything i want to do. Including cheating, stealing, physical assault, killing, harassment, infanticide, genocide, even holocaust.
It is not a ALL YES or ALL NO situation, Otherwise, since boxing or martial arts is okay, therefore is it moral/legal for me to start kicking you around?!?! That is the SERE argument that cheney is advancing. It is ridiculous, offensive, dangerous, and even abominable. Since you can use it to justify any acts on this planet.
May 13, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
here is a website with a few of dick
cheney's secrets....
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/cheney_s_secrets.html
May 14, 2009 12:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Dick Cheney is covering HIS a$$. He really doesn't want to go to jail. That's why he's doing all this posturing now, hitting the talk shows, trying to win support for the insupportable. Unfortunately, I don't think he has much to worry about. Sadly, it looks like the Obama Administration is going to give the war criminal a walk. Cheney should be put against the wall, blindfolded, offered a last cigarette, and, after the amount of soul-searching a soulless bastard like him can do in the time it takes to smoke a Lucky, dispatched in the time-honored manner of other traitors. That's what he is - a traitor to his country.
May 14, 2009 3:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's waterboard Cheney!
May 15, 2009 12:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
First off, how many failed criminal Dicks can the repubs have & when will he go with the "I'm not a criminal line"? Dickgate is the scandal of all times.
Nobody would have thought he could have possibly accomplished keeping us safe, he says. Well, he said it.
After he allowed the worst attack on American soil, ever, & the most deaths by any administration, ever, what doesn't seem possible, is that he's standing up bragging about it.
This is the final act of a coward.
True justice would be imprisoning him in a secret location without legal rights then using "enhanced torture techniches" on him until he cracks & finally releasing him in Iraq.
May 17, 2009 12:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
So after re-reading all the unclassified memos, again, what Cheney is saying: that GWB et al. changed the laws, revoked Geneva Conventions, wrote 2 sets of rules supposed the same (one classified and one unclassified - but were in fact vastly different) defined rules about "torture" that would allow for almost anything except death, manipulated "results of studies" to justify the use of torture, all in secret and under the cover of the Commander in Chief decision making as he was the one who went to war. Then when pressed by the Congress in 2006, the Military Commission Act was written but Bush wouldn't sign the original legislation...and of course made it retroactive to 1997. This is what Cheney is looking to push...him hero, Bush - not so much!
The argument from that entire Administration, there have been no further attacks in the US, or We kept you safe, as it is hard to argue a negative, so that is why it is always framed that way: Nothing Happened...minus of course all those that were killed or maimed (which they will ignore or say that is the risk of going to war). What they don't discuss is that there was no reason to go to war in Iraq, so all those deaths could have been avoided.
Cheney is trying to change the argument here and we the people need to assure that that does not happen!
May 17, 2009 3:36 PM | Reply | Permalink