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Poll: One-Third Of Georgia Republicans Approve Of Secession

A new Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll finds that a third of Georgia Republicans approve of the idea of seceding from the United States.

The pollster asked: "Do you think Georgia would be better off as an independent nation or as part of the United States of America?" The top-line here is United States 68%, independence 27% -- but among Republicans, it's a closer U.S. 52%, independence 43%.

Respondents were then asked: "Would you approve or disapprove of Georgia leaving the United States?" Here the overall answer is approve 18%, disapprove 76% -- but among Republicans, it's approve 32%, disapprove 63%.

Look on the bright side: The Union cause is actually much stronger among Republicans here than it is in Texas, where a previous poll showed Texas GOPers evenly divided on independence, and a majority approving of Gov. Rick Perry's suggestions about seceding.


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Why do liberals hate America? Oh, wait...

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Good one, Steve!

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Where's SFC Wallace? I want to hear his explanation for this: is it simply that they know it's never going to happen, so Republicans are indulging in a pipe dream or are they really that dumb?

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First off it's a stupid poll question... No, I don't believe that 1/3 of Georgia Republicans actually favor secession. I am going to the state convention in Savannah in a couple of weeks and promise to report back if any "Secessionist resolutions" are proposed from the floor.

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Ummm, while you're down there SFCWallace, check out SR632, which passed on 4/1/09. An excerpt:

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that any Act...which assumes a power not delegated to the government ... and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America. [my emphasis.]

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Really that dumb.

I'll never forget hearing interviews on the radio here from McCain's Georgia HQ, broadcast the morning after the election, with his supporters claiming that the election results were more tragic than 9/11. Even after being challenged on it by the reporter.

I did make sure to share that broadcast with all my NY Republican relatives.

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Good God, sometimes I'm embarrassed to admit I live in this state.

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I felt the same way for years...having grown up in San Francisco...lol

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Alright, I'll admit it....sometimes you make me laugh....

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Uhhh... Looks like Georgia has already passed legislation to pave the way for secession - it at least shows they hate America.


Georgia Senate threatens dismantling of USA

As a Georgia Native who could stand it no longer and who moved to Oregon to have a decent life among decent people, I say: Don't Let it Hit Y'all in the Ass on the Way Out

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Living in Michelle Bachmann's district, I know the feeling, and I'd be willing to trade you a thousand of your secessionists for our congresswoman.

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Republicans hate America for our freedom.

Maybe they will throw away their flag pins in protest?

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Oooooh, that was cold, AnswerFrog!!

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Perry was literally angry that the results of the national elections were honored, and that our (yes, deeply complected) new President in due bipartisan consultation with legislature had the temerity to expect to fulfill the duties of his office -- without first getting permission from Perry.

Perry and like-minded Texans can Overreach *THIS,* and while the poll in Georgia may not say so, it must be the same sentiment there in many cases. It's fine by them if Rush Limbaugh's party is in charge and they thus call the shots, but if not, they don't expect anyone who merely happens to be duly elected to be telling then how things are going to be run. Shoot, they've still not even seen the man's birth certificate!

:(

Fucking bigoted and brainwashed seditionists.

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Sounds about right.

The platitudinous Daughters of the Confederacy mythology created to enable avoidance of the ugly truth that the South sent 1/5 of its military age white men to the grave in defense of evil is alive and well. In this version of history, the War of Northern Agression wasn't about slavery at all but, instead, was all about "states' rights." And somehow, the inextricable--and formerly quite bluntly acknowledged--linkage between the states rights ideology and the preservation of a poitical, social and economic system based on racism--was magically washed away.

I grew up with that perverse revisionism in Kentucky, a state that didn't even secede, and found it even more entrenched among whites when I moved here in the 80s. The logical conclusion of that view is that secession would have been a blessing and everyone would have been better off. Freed of yankee interference, the South would have gotten around to a-freein' them slaves eventually--notwithstanding the fact that the Confederate constitution forbade emancipation or amendments enabling emancipation. And naturally, certainty of a successor system of control and oppression that would have made apartheid look liberal is, again, washed away from this alternate history, as well.

Hey, it must be all be true: Hank Williams, Jr. wrote a bombastic song about it.

But it bears repeating--the fact that these views are now most common among the members of the Party of Lincoln, the majority of whom can't even see the irony, is the most amazing part of it.

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I'm not surprised, either.

This is a place where--if it's anything like it was when I was a child--the beach shops sell three kinds of canvas inflatable raft: (1) solid red on one side, solid blue on the other, (2) Confederate battle flag, and (3) the Budweiser logo.

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Are these Republican parents telling their children to stop saying the Pledge of Allegiance at school? If not, why not?

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Interesting point.

You know the Pledge of Allegiance was written specifically to enforce the idea of an indivisible union. It is a powerful statement really, especially when you take out the God part which was not in the original but only added during the red scare of the 50's.

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Aside from the hilarity that has ensued since Governor Perry got the ridiculous ball rolling, I think there's actually an interesting contrast here. When Bush was installed in office, and again when he was elected, liberals all over the place where threatening to move to Canada. Probably some of the made good on the threat, but the rest of us calmed down and lived with the knowledge that we weren't in the majority.

Conservatives, faced with the same situation, don't threaten to move anywhere, but instead to start a new country, taking part of what is all of ours with them.

It really does give a nice indication of where their heads our. Liberals realize it's not exclusively "our" country and that if we don't like it, our choice is to leave. Conservatives believe that America is theirs and theirs alone.

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Conservatives believe that America is theirs and theirs alone.

Excellent observation. That's what makes them so scary.

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I am not afraid of a bunch of chicken-hawks

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Hey now, be fair. Its not like there's a country in the world that would take them, nor is there one sufficiently crazy to make them happy. If there was a capitalist version of North Korea inhabited solely by English-speaking white people with lots of guns, I'm sure they'd be threatening to move there rather than secede.

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Fair point.

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Quite right Orlando! They think it is theirs and the rest of us are squatters.

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As Faulkner said-- in the South the past isn't dead, it isn't even the past. These people still think the civil war was a glorious battle. (And don't point out to them that most of their glorious southern manhood paid some poor kid to take their place.) But if they all secede-- and please please do-- remember when you go you will lose all federal bennies. Which means your vast number of waster citizens won't get any public assistance from the feds. So no social security, no social security disability, no federal welfare of any kind which would include medicare, no NIH grants for Baylor or MD Anderson, or any federal money of any kind for any educational institute, no fed backed student loans, no fed money for any hospitals of any kind, no money for roads or bridges or plants, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Oh and you won't have any congressman or senators in any governmental body so no more of this kind of nonsense and being dragged down by y'all. So please please hurry up and go. And if you can't tell I had to live in the South for a while and you don't even want to ask how bad that was or what I saw happen to people down there.

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Hey! Don't encourage them, dammit. I live down here too, ya know!

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Once secession is agreed upon, the US and New CSA can agree upon a 2-3 year grace period so citizens from both countries can move to the country of their choice. I'm sure there would be a lot of Michigan and Montana militia folks who wouldn't mind calling the New CSA home. Similarly, people for Austin, New Orleans, Chapel Hill would probably want to move North.

Perhaps the two governments - the US federal gov't and the CSA theocracy - could set up some sort of swap program for people looking to move. You could look up someone in western Pennsylvania (for example) and see if they'd like to swap houses with you.

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Which is exactly why this rhetoric is nothing more than a bark. All of the big business in Texas would be loathe to go off pf the federal dime and Perry knows and so does the Texas legislature which is why they are working around Perry to accept those federal dollars for unemployment benefits.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-unemployed_17tex.ART.State.Edition2.4ad1f69.html

Of course this did not really make the highlight of the national news with the H1N1 virus taking the top stories and the second to top stories.

I really can relate to NC Steve comment about growing up in the south and the southern culture emotional relationship with the Civil War. Embedded in many of my fellow Texans thoughts is the notion that the civil war was fought for State's rights versus federal rights. However when it comes to the long history of discourse related to State versus Federal rights excluding the Civil War then most with the exception of lawyers come up with a blank. This is telling in southern culture. However we southerners are diverse and do not all find ourselves compelled by this aspect of our past, some of us see the value in inclusiveness.

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"...your vast number of waster citizens won't get any public assistance from the feds..." That's the Democrats in Atlanta, Macon, Agusta and Savannah, they'll head out as soon as the checks stop.

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And what about Marrieta, surely not the bastion of Democrats, "Lockheed Martin, among the largest defense contractors,
has a major aeronautics facility in Marietta."

Who do you think foots the bill to LM, Georgia or our federal DOD?

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Last I checked, DOD contrat payments weren't considered "public assistance from the feds."

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Well, wouldn't they kind of be if they were being paid for equipment that the government neither needed nor wanted?

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SFC,

keep up the good work, you and your Republican party are doing great.

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How about all those dollars that flow to military bases all over the South? You guys routinely do better on federal distributions than many other countries, even though you surely don't chip in much money to federal or state coffers.

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Don't forget when they stick out their hands when the next hurricane or tornado hits, the US government won't be there, unless help comes under the heading of foreign disaster aid. Also, military spending in those big bases in TX, GA, NC - gone, and that doesn't even include the contracts to those defense contractors - gone. I wonder what kind of economy they would have when those things they currently get through the federal government, are factored out? Free trade, NAFTA?

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Same old, same old. President Davis got more grey hair from Georgia's repeated tantrums and threats to leave the CSA than just about anything else, including the fall of Atlanta.

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Go, Georgia, and take the rest of the Confederacy with you. Then the rest of us in the blue states can stop sending you money.

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Would the new country have to refer to itself as the former United States State of Georgia since there's already a country of Georgia--sort of like the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia as the Greeks would have it. Hopefully our country will not have to find another Sherman and have troops march through Georgia to stop the second war of Southern treason.

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As Georgia journalist Jay Bookman recounts on his blog, earlier this year the Georgia State Senate passed the Republican-sponsored Senate Resolution 632 stating, among other things, that the only crimes the federal government could prosecute are treason, piracy, and slavery. "Therefore, all acts of Congress which assume to create, define or punish [other] crimes … are altogether void, and of no force." The resolution also endorsed the theory of "nullification," the legal concept which holds that states can ignore Federal laws they assert exceed those granted under the Constitution. The theory of nullification helped precipitate the Civil War and a century later was used to justify resistance to the civil rights initiatives of the 50s and 60s. Finally, the resolution states that if Congress, the president or federal courts take any action that exceeds their constitutional powers, the Constitution is rendered null and void and the United States of America is officially disbanded. In other words, if Congress enacts any sort of ban regarding assault weapons, the United States no longer exists.

Bookman mentions that the list of GOP sponsors included Republican Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers, Senate President Pro Tem Tommie Williams, Transportation Committee Chairman Jeff Mullis, and Chief Deputy Whip John Wiles. Given those A-list Georgia Republicans, I have no doubt that secession is favored by at the minimum 1/3 of Georgia Republicans.

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Can you even imagine what the wingnuts would do if people on the left even whispered this sort of treasonous bile?

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On the filp-hand-side . . . Almost 100% of NON-Georgians would happily let Georgia secede from the Union this time around . . . If a border fence is built.

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would need to airdrop a lifeline to atlanta in that case, leaving it a bit like west berlin, I'd guess.

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ROTFLMAO

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Take the rest of Dixie with you, they are a financial drain on the rest of the Union.

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I wonder if the neoliberal Rethugs in secessionist Georgia would sign a free-trade agreement with the US.

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Why wait for the red states to secede. Can't we just expel them? Imagine the progress this country could make if we didn't have to drag the red states along.

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Now, fully 144 years after the end of the Civil War, it seems that about the same percentage of people down in Georgia are traitors as they had back in the old days. What a surprise! Remember, many (including Ulysses S. Grant) never thought the majority of whites in the south were for secession. A vocal and wealthy minority controlled the politics of the south and it was them and their very poor judgment that brought on the civil war and the need to crush the traitors. Indeed, many large portions of the southern states held out against the traitors and were loyal. North Georgia was a stronghold for patriots for example. Part of me wishes they would try it again so we can whack them again for old times' sake.

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Part of me wishes they would try it again so we can whack them again for old times' sake.

I'm not sure that's such a good idea. They are the ones who have been practicing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkM2Se3tqaU&feature=related

Maybe it's better to let them go peacefully.

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They practiced last time too and it didn't help em. Mine eyes have seen the glory...

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Unfortunately, there is a strong substance of truth in this comment. I was born and raised in Georgia during the Civil Rights era. I remember segregated water fountains and bathrooms quite well. The writer is correct that, in the Deep South, government exists to make life as pleasant as possible for the wealthy. Some of them are newbies, but many of them are the same families that have controlled Southern politics for generations. They want quiet, complaisant workers; they want low taxes, and they expect the forces of government in the South to help them attain that result. Until the early 70's, it was the local Democratic party that enforced that situation. It is now the Republican party that performs the function now.

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It'd be better to fight them (the Georgians) than put a fence around them. Think of how bad the traffic would get on I-95.

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While it is admirable, I guess, that only 1/3 of the GOP in Georgia wants to secede from the nation, this whole secession thing is a really interesting phenomenon. First of all, many, many Democrats were very unhappy with eight years of George Bush, but I did not hear California or New York or Massachusetts talk about secession. Had they done so, they would have been immediately branded as "traitors." Such conversation, however, is apparently quite acceptable in the red states though. The other disturbing thing to me is who this talk is directed at, our first African American President. One can't help thinking that there are a significant number of people who can't get past President Obama's race, and they are hiding that fact behind a series of explanations that "seem" more acceptable.

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I think you hit the nail on the head. Whether it's the teabaggers or the secessionist talk, it's just like that states rights canard. They are furious that a black man is President and they have fallen back on their old (and clearly self-defeating) ways of treasonous talk.

Had the nation dealt with this element after the civil war as it should have we wouldn't have this problem today. But then, as now, there is a powerful lack of fortitude at work in society that wants to simply "look forward" instead of dealing with the criminals in our midst. I think this is a learning moment if the President is paying attention. Putting the torture program participants under criminal investigation, starting at the top and going all the way down the chain, and prosecuting every instance that warrants it would help to put the criminal/treasonous element in American political life in it's place.

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Since they hate America so much they could get rid of all their US flags, thus saving lots of money to finance the invasion of Somalia. This failed state is about the right size and is on the east coast of Africa (so the sun would come up in the right place). Then they could move Georgia lock stock and barrel to their new independent nation state, renamed New Confedery. In addition, with unlimited gun ownership rights, clearing out all the pirates would be fun and good target practice. Finally they would establish a focused immigration policy to admit only the most radical wingnuts from other US locales who are suffering under the yoke of democracy.

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Oh, that's rich. The area of the United States that is the largest recipient of federal welfare dollars and that receives federal funds for reconstruction after the yearly hurricane suddenly doesn't need the rest of the country nor its tax dollars?

1/3 is hardly a majority, but hypothetically I'd give Georgia and any other southern state a week after secession before they start drinking and dialing. "I was just thinking that maybe we could get back together?"

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