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Specter: "I Did Not Say I Would Be A Loyal Democrat"

During his appearance today on Meet The Press, Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA) had this interesting exchange with David Gregory:

MR. GREGORY: It was reported this week that when you met with the president you said, "I will be a loyal Democrat. I support your agenda." Let me test that on probably one of the most important areas of his agenda, and that's health care. Would you support health care reform that puts up a government-run public plan to complete with a private plan issued by a private insurance company?

SEN. SPECTER: No. And you misquote me, David. I did not say I would be a loyal Democrat. I did not say that. And last week, after I said I was changing parties, I voted against the budget because the budget has a way to pass health care with a 51 votes, which undermines a basic Senate institution to require 60 votes to impose cloture on, on key issues. But I...

MR. GREGORY: All right, just to be clear, Wednesday in The Wall Street Journal Jonathan Weisman and Greg Hitt reported that when you met with the president you said, "I'm a loyal Democrat," and, according to people familiar with the White House, "I support your agenda." So that's wrong? You didn't say those things?

SEN. SPECTER: I did not say I'm a loyal Democrat.


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"Senator Specter, President Obama would like a word with you on line one."

Should be an interesting monday morning.

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I guess it might be Rahm doing the actual calling, depending on goals and strategy. It could be a two-way bitch session: "This Sestak business doesn't sound to me like the arrangements that I had thought we made."

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Talk about biting the hand that just saved your ass.

And I'm surprised that Specter would get into a credibility contest with Barack Obama. Specter is not going to win.

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What's the surprise here? This is classic Arlen Specter.

He's just a slightly less objectionable version of Joe the Scmoe Lieberman. It's all about him. Always has been. Always will be. For now, we take all the votes he'll give us and then dump him in the primary next year.

There's only one worse thing that to have Arlen Specter be your enemy and that's to be his alleged friend.

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This Specter guy is making me look loyal and honest. Way to go, Arlen!

Joe the Schmoe

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With Spector and Lieberman in the caucus (or was that cock us?) who needs Republicans? Congressional Republicans aren't the insurgency, they are irrelevant. The enemy is within and it looks like the party leadership has been tripping over themselves to welcome the disloyal crowd with open arms.

Dissent is good but opposition is something completely different.

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Mr. Specter can be voted out of the Democratic primary about as easily as the Republican.

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Didn't the WSJ reporters get that quote from the White House press office (and therefore, indirectly, from the president himself)? How ridiculously stupid.

As a Pennsylvania resident, Specter's sudden conversion didn't phase me in the least. I still will not vote for him. I have a problem with people who switch party loyalties as a survival instinct and not as a matter of principle. It's rather pathetic, especially for someone of Specter's tenure and age.

Numbers in Congress are important to me, but so is honest and reputable representation. I know I won't find that in the Republican Party's nominee, and if Specter's nominated by the Democrats - and I do say if - I will write in someone's name.

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Traitors, while sometimes useful, are never to be trusted.

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I don't expect Obama to do anything in response to Specter pissing on his shoes. He refused to do anything to Lieberman, and Joe's various campaign statements about Obama—not to mention appearing at the GOP convention—were more egregious than what Arlen's pulled so far.

Pennsylvania Democrats are another matter. I can't for the life of me think why the Dems in that state would go for a guy who's just told them in plain, simple language that they can kiss his ass and like it.

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He doesn't know what to do -it hard trying to be popular and smiley faced to the press and hollywood paps, and quite different when those around you are telling you what to say. We've all got to pray those teleprompters are getting regular maintenance. Regardless, Specter is a "knat" on the hind end of more responsible players whos self serving manuver is a last ditch effort. He is hoping that no one will notice! LMAO on that one.

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Yeah, keep holding on to the teleprompter thing...it's really resonating with the voters.

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I don't think the situation is the same with Specter and Lieberman.

With Lieberman, there were big questions about (1) whether he would switch to the GOP and (2) how much he would support or obstruct Obama's agenda. Obama was nice to Joe, which paid off in Joe's staying with the team and playing nice (for him, at least).

But there are no questions about Specter: He can't switch to the GOP and he clearly is going to vote however the hell he wants to. So if Obama chooses to strongarm him, there's nothing Specter can do.

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When you factor in Senate Judiciary Committee Rule IV into the equation, I am beginning to see only disadvantages to Specter's defection.

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"SEN. SPECTER: I did not say I'm a loyal Democrat."

Yeah, but what will he admit that he did say which might give that impression?

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When I saw Specter today my first thought was that he had just signed his own political death warrant.

His chance to run as a repub is over, not that that's much of a loss since he would have lost to Toomey, but his shot at winning a Dem primary, even if the "machine" voices their support for him, is now seriously diminished.

If he does not support EFCA the unions will not support him, and if he votes against health care if it has a public plan, which Obama has just said is an essential component, than any support he gets from that quarter will be strictly pro forma. Who does he think his constituency is?

Say good night, Arlen.

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Yeah, his strategy is bizarre, to say the least. I thought he switched to prolong his career. But, if he follows this road, he's probably done next year, irregardless.

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We'll see what he actually does. Typically, Specter stands firm on principle right up to when it's time to vote, and then caves. I fully expect he'll do that on both EFCA and health care -- there will be minor changes, and he'll claim that's enough for him, or some such thing. Right now he's going overboard in the "look at my firm principles" phase to compensate for the party switch making him look like a self-serving weasel.

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“Specter: ‘I Did Not Say I Am A Loyal Democrat’”... Hey, Arlen.......ya know, they now have these newfangled things called "tape recorders" and "films", so, I wouldn't be so quick to deny what I said, if I were you. Might be branded as a LIAR!!

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It seems Specter wasn't thought of too highly in the repuglican caucus he left and in less than a week he's distanced himself from the Democrat caucus he asked to join. Sounds like he should have declared himself an Independent. But his chances of winning his seat in 2010 as an Independent are next to impossible. I think someone needs to have a Come-to-Jesus meeting with him and explain the facts plain and simple - if you want to caucus with the Democrats, then act like one.

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Forget "come-to-jesus", somebody needs to have a "go-to-hell" conversation with him. The last thing the dems need to do is extend primary protection to a self-proclaimed disloyal Democrat.

Well maybe not last. It wouldn't be quite so bad as providing open ended pardons to all Bush officials and raising taxes on the middle class to build a monument to bin Laden at ground zero. But you get the idea.

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Well I believe that Arlen announced that he was realy joining the

I will do anything to make sure I get re-elected party which is the only one he is loyal to.

I think we need to gear up to make sure we pick up some more seats in the senate and house in 2010 and help Pennsylvania find a good replacement for Specter.

Who else is up for reelection in 2010?

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yeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwww! here comes the primaries!
Strange guy Arlen Specter. he switches to a party he was vociferously criticizing just a few days before to hold onto his senate seat but now he is too principled to vote for bills that would insure he has no primary challenge? really strange.
Where can i donate to potential challengers? he should know that liberals don't follow they leaders everywhere. Pres Obama, vice Pres Biden and Sen Reid have made promises? well none of them gets to vote in Pennsylvania.

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whether he did or didnt say that, would it have been smart politically to say that he did? I hope he sides more with the dems but admitting on tv that he said something like he would be a loyal dem would be pretty bad politically.

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worse than to change parties just to hold onto a senate seat?

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Make your words soft and sweet; you may have to eat them.

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Obamaa and Reid have given this puke a license to do whatever he wants. They got nothing, nothing in return.
They are going to make it difficult for primary challengers to unseat this pos while he continues his conservative enabling ways. What fools.

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There is nothing this man won't do to win re-election including having facial surgery to lift his sagging jowls.

I, too, may change my political affiliation just so I can vote against him in the primary.

And, before, I was quite proud he was my senator. No more.

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He's not a fucking democrat. Dems should be embarrassed at how easily he thinks he can take over the party in PA.

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The other problem with this political comedy is that it reveals how little difference there is between the two flavors of the one, ruling Conservative Neoliberal party.

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Can't we infer then that you aren't a "fucking Democrat" either?

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Sestak is far from perfect- if Ohio can support somebody as progressive as Sherrod Brown, I bet PA could also- but Christ, he'd be worlds better than this loathsome toad. I'll throw Sestak a few bucks when he officially gets in.

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P.S. Thank God PA has a sore loser law so this asshole can't pull a Lieberman if he loses the primary. You know he would if he could.

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If Arlen Specter isn't going to be a loyal Democrat, then Senate Democrats shouldn't give him a chairmanship. Something more has to be expected if you are going to have a leadership position. Kent Conrad and Harry Reid vote far more often with the caucus now than when they were not in the party's leadership.

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To be fair, I think you are taking it out of context. The headline is a little misleading also.

He was asked about something he supposedly said, and denied he had said it.

That's different than what it first appears to be -- a brazen thumbing his nose at the party.

"I did not say ..." =/= "I will be disloyal".

Arlen wants to maintain an image of independence. He may have said that but is now embarassed about it. Both the leaked phrase and his denial end up looking bad.

Sorry, this one is a little too cheap and "gotcha" for my tastes.


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The statement pisses me off but to be honest I don't care what he says/ I only care about how he votes.

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We need a primary in Pennsylvania.

Loyalty pledges are ridiculous, but Specter isn't a Democrat. And, if we just take him because he's one of the people who will support cloture, we're even weaker than I thought we were.

A primary ensures that Pennsylvanians choose the two Senate candidates that will face one another in the general ection. If Specter is so popular in Pennsylvania, he'll win the Democratic primary and he'll win a re-election. My hunch, though, is that Specter's time has passed him by. All those years in the limelight as the swing vote should come to an end.

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I was skeptical of the "loyal Democrat" quote when it first appeared.

It would be strange to say that 5 minutes after joining a party. It's more believable that he didn't say that.

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Further comments from Specter: "I did not say I would be honest, or predictable, or loyal, or humble about my tremendous intelligence, natural charisma or chameleon-like ability to stay relevant in politically uncertain times."

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Jeez, why not let the guy vote a few times?

What matters is how he votes, and not what he says or doesn't say. And we need priorities: health care is a must, cap and trade is a must. We can't be like the GOP and make every single issue a litmus test -- see where that got them.

So take a deep breath, keep up the pressure, but look at the votes.

- and p.s. How well did the primary challenge thing work out in Connecticut? Don't be hubristic.


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Pennsylvania has a sore loser law, and so Specter can't run as an inpedendent if he loses the primary.

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Ahh, if only people had thought about that first in Conn.

Like I said, don't be hubristic.

My point is that we have a quid pro quo here. Spector will need to keep up his end of the bargain. If he doesn't, he deserves a challenge and will get one. If he does, we keep our end of the bargain. Carrots and sticks, not sticks and sticks.

Stabbing him in the back for no reason is Karl Rove style politics and would send a bad message. Other pols who might switch are also watching.

Rules of life:
* don't be hubristic
* don't think/act like Karl Rove


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We, which may not include the dem establishment, should be busy finding someone who matches Pennsylvania voters today, and primary this guy out. This should be job one.

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Specter was asked about two quotes attributed to him: 1) "I am a loyal Democrat," reported in the Wall Street Journal; and 2) "I will support your agenda" attributed to White House sources. Notice that he only denies the former. Does anyone really think that the Wall Street Journal can be trusted for accuracy?

What I infer is that Arlen Specter did promise to support the President's agenda overall but did not promise to fall in line with party leadership on every issue. Is this anything other than what we'd expect from the independent-minded Specter?

I think we really need to wait to see whether Specter keeps to his promise to support the President's agenda before passing judgment on him.

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