Bay Buchanan: After Assaulting Black Woman, Calling Her 'Nigger,' Epstein Was 'Lynched'
Bay Buchanan has once again responded to critics of her karate chopping employee Marcus Epstein. This time, though, she's taken it to the website of the conservative magazine Human Events.
In the piece she acknowledges both that she knew all along about Epstein's crime and that she nonetheless kept him on staff at both of the anti-immigrant organizations which she chairs--facts which she more or less conceded when I interviewed her earlier this week.
She also writes this: "What happened next was a modern day lynching by a faceless, angry, ignorant mob who reveled in the collective assault on their victim."
She's not talking about a mob of masked white karate choppers, but rather of the bloggers and reporter who picked up on the story. Not exactly the metaphor I would have chosen given the facts of the case, but ok.
"They had wounded an adversary and drawn blood -- without pausing to ask how so talented a young man could have found himself in such a mess."
The article--titled "The Internet Lynching of Marcus Epstein"--also touches on some of Epstein's more personal issues. You can read the entire piece here.


















It's kind of interesting if you read comments posted on that article. Human Events is supposed to be a magazine for the "Conservative Underground" (whatever that means), but the response has not been reflexively in Epstein's favor. Maybe it's because there have only been seven so far, but it seems that not even the readers of the Conservative Underground are buying it.
June 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
23 comments on their blog for the article now. Running about 50/50 "Poor guy getting beat up by the libtards" vs. "Lady, are you out of your f(*&^ing mind?"
If half the right wing nut jobs that comment there are thinking Bay is off base, maybe they're right...
June 5, 2009 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
60 comments now, and I'd say the proportion is still about the same as when you checked. If anything, there's a slight tilt against Bay Buchanan. I've never read Human Events, so I don't really know what kind of readership it has, but this does not reflect very well on her persuasive abilities.
Or maybe there are a lot of TPM readers trolling the article.
June 5, 2009 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I get the Human Events e-newsletter - usually 2-3 emails per day, including some "messages from our sponsors" (ads). It's a great way to keep track of what they call the "great conservative minds" of America (including the Buchanans, Malkin, Gingrich, etc.) You can sign up for it on their website.
June 5, 2009 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
You obviously have great control over your blood pressure! :) I couldn't read that drivel!
June 6, 2009 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
debbie, you'll have to tell me the name of the antinauseant you're using before I sign up. Because I'll be needing it!
June 6, 2009 3:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes and the new polls reflect even more disenchantment Republicans are feeling - when our party gets so racist and hate filled. Who can go along with their rabid statements, well calculated to stir racial strife. Certainly not this Republican and that explains why Obama got so many Republican votes. Some Republicans in the House and the Senate seem to get it that they can no longer spew this hat. If they continue in that mode, they can expect minority status in the House and Senate and lose the Presidency untill they fix the racist mess they are in.
June 7, 2009 12:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Only someone who is as hate filled as Bay Buchanan could make such a silly excuse for this person. No amount of nasty speech would ever be enough for a guy who harasses a woman and particularly on racial grounds. Bay, grow up is my advice and if you want anyone to pay any attention to you, leave off the hate mongering.
June 6, 2009 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are many more comments now and a strong tide of rationality on this issue is still present.
June 5, 2009 8:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you have any other questions I might be able to help with, Ms. Buchanan?
June 5, 2009 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
a family of racists.
pat and his sister bay.
the real point here is not that these people are racists, its that they WANT you to know that they are.
because that assures they will be supported by the other racists who can rest easy with any doubts they may have had.
the real question is why does msnbc keep pat on the air?
and who at this point would be willing to come to his defense as they have done in the past?
June 5, 2009 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I have a much bigger question, but yours (about why MSNBC keeps putting Pat on the air) is still at the heart of my question:
If those who self-identify as "Republican" now top out at somewhere around a whopping 20-25%, how is it that the MSM -- even the 2-3 good shows on it -- keep putting Rethug people on there in numbers that imply they represent an equal faction to Dems or any more moderate-to-liberal group of people in this country?
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I know one part of my votes in the past two election cycles was just as much about being plain sick and tired of hearing the vacuous but ever more bigoted voice of the Rethugs.
We voted them out of office. I believe they've had their 30 years or so to darken the airwaves with their ugliness of soul and spirit. I know I can only vote with my remote (and do). I just wish the other voters could or would do the same, and not accept this false-balance continually presented by the sensation-mongering MSM.
June 5, 2009 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Part of the problem is that we call it the MSM, for MainStream Media. There is nothing mainstream about it.
Let's call it was it is - the "Corporate Controlled Media". When everyone understands that even MSNBC must answer to a corporation, it's easy to see why the interests of MainStream America (that's us) are ignored.
June 5, 2009 10:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
There may be an element of corporate interests at work, but mostly it's just shoddy journalism. Simplistic conflict, presented in the guise of two predictable "strategists" going through their Kabuki performance, is a time-filler, and it satisfies the lazy assumption that conflict is always interesting. Better yet, it's cheap and it relieves the pressure to do any actual reporting. The icing on the cake is that it's inherently "balanced," as if the fireman and the fire deserve equal time.
June 6, 2009 2:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Although I place my ego at risk by endorsing anything Obama says, he likened cable news to professional wrestling, and I think it's a very apt comparison. Cable news doesn't even seem to think of what they do a "reporting," any more.
It's more like "what are the [mostly manufactured] issues of the day, and how to exploit them for maximum ratings effect?" Even Olbermann and Maddow are guilty of this type of coverage. I can have Keith and Rachel on as background noise as I do other things, but i can't stand cable news for more than 7 or 8 minutes at a time anymore. And I say that as a news junkie.
June 6, 2009 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said!
June 7, 2009 1:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you haven't yet done so, I recommend reading Ms. Buchanan's entire post. It's charming to read her concern (even empathy) for her employee's depression.
It would have been even more charming if her brother Pat had shown this level of concern back in 1972 when Thomas Eagleton was running for Vice President and his treatment for depression surfaced.
From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 12/28/2008:
June 5, 2009 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
High-tech lynching?
Did someone actually string him up with Cat5e?
June 5, 2009 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Welcome techie-nerd! lol
Maybe she was channeling an ancient Twilight Zone episode where an electric razor was chasing him down the stairs?
June 5, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe someone got some ethernet from Norm Coleman.
June 8, 2009 2:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lynched? - bloggers dragged him through the streets, stripped him, and then hung him from a tree, setting him afire before he was dead? Maybe castrated him for good measure? OK, well that IS news!
Bay - You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
June 5, 2009 4:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's Standard Operating Procedure for these guys.
These evil creeps appropriate the language of their victims to describe themselves. Some sort of childish mirror-land where "I know you are but what am I?" ... it passes for serious discussion in all the major channels ... And it's how they get away with calling Sotomayor a racist, among other things.
June 6, 2009 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Bay Buchanan will go to Google Image and search
under the term "lynching" she will find page after page of photographs depicting the corpses of black men hanging from trees by their necks. "Strange Fruit". In the United States the primary connotation of "lynching" refers to a man of African descent brutally and criminally murdered by a white mob.
She really needs to refine her terms.
June 6, 2009 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
So much IOKIYAR goodness here:
(1) Violence motivated by racism - IOKIYAR. If the most disingenuous reading of one's judicial record gives a hint of racial bias - not OK.
(2) Empathizing with a racist - IOKIYAR. Empathizing with people get screwed by the law - no OK.
.... who wants to tack on 3, 4, 5?
June 5, 2009 5:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm confused. Did this incident take place a couple of years ago. If so why is it being rehashed now?
June 5, 2009 5:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
sorry, I see his sentencing is current.
June 5, 2009 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
also, it became relevant when tancredo got out in front on the whole 'sontomayor is a racist' smear campaign.
June 6, 2009 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
man, that buchanan household must have been some emotional shithole when they were children.
June 5, 2009 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please God!, Please, please, please put her in front of a TV camera and get her to explain why she thinks that Judge Sotomayor is a bigot, but Marcus Epstein is not.
June 5, 2009 5:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's easy: Epstein is a well-meaning young man with aspirations who has battled depression and alcohol problems, while "Sonya Baby" is "a proud judicial activist out to amend perceived societal wrongs and extract justice as she feels fit -- let The Constitution be damned," "a member of the elite" who is "a card carrying member of La Raza (The Race) and served on the board of Latino Justice/Puerto Rican Legal Defense Fund, two far left extremists groups which plays nicely into the racist angle." She is an "anti-white male racist(s) who support(s) a radical agenda of massive illegal immigration, reverse discrimination and gun control."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32075
Oh, and Obama nominated her. And Epstein is a Republican.
June 5, 2009 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
God if only...I'd vote for her in a heart beat.
June 5, 2009 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Versus actual lynching of Negros who were guilty of being too uppity! She longs for the days before President Kennedy and President Johnson and the Civil Rights Amendment when lynching went unpunished.
June 5, 2009 5:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bay displays quite a bit of empathy for Mr. Epstein (why do I keep think about "Welcome Back, Kotter" every time I see his name?), which is laudable. It's important to understand the reasons behind a person's actions, and to see the context behind what people do and say:
In his final semester of college Marcus awoke in a deep depression. He had no idea what was happening to him. He only knew he couldn’t do his work. Some days he couldn’t get out of bed. That summer he began the long process of diagnosis -- bouncing from one doctor to the next, from one medicine to the next.
While his intelligence and ability were evident, Marcus had serious problems. He drank to excess and suffered periods of deep depression. One Sunday early in 2007 Marcus called and asked if he could come to my home to talk. He was afraid of what he might do if he were alone another minute.
As he sat in my living room my heart broke. Never had I seen a person in so deep and dark a place. He spoke for hours of being a failure and disappointment to family and friends. He didn’t think he could live in this tomb of despair any longer.
After exhausting himself emotionally he went to one of my spare bedrooms to sleep. He stayed several months and left only when he felt he was strong enough to be on his own again. But the demons were too great.
Of course, empathy can only take you so far:
Imagine if Justice Roberts had delivered a speech entitled “A Male Anglo-Saxon Judge’s Voice” in which he said: “I would hope that a wise white man with the richness of his experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latino (or Black) woman who hasn’t lived that life.” The Left would have screamed “Racist!” from the roof tops until Roberts’ name was pulled from consideration.
And what is all this nonsense about “the richness of her experience.” This lady was born in the Big Apple, went to Blessed Sacrament grade school (the Buchanans went to the DC version), Cardinal Spellman high school, Princeton University and Yale Law School. That’s a Catholic education, followed by the Ivies. She’s a member of the elite, for goodness sake. So let’s cut the “compelling story” crap.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32075
After all, one person's "compelling story" is another person's "anti-white male racists who support a radical agenda of massive illegal immigration, reverse discrimination and gun control."
June 5, 2009 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Damn you, non-formatting paragraph breaks. Everything above "Of course..." is from Bay Buchanan's article
June 5, 2009 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I think you actually believe all that. I'm a lower to low-middle class white guy in one of the hardest-hit states in the nation (Michigan) who happens to believe that we need more women in all levels of government (they are 50% or more of the population, so why don't we see a little more proportional representation there, right?), and for darned sure more cultural diversity than has even been the case.
See, I'm not threatened by that. I think better decisions would be made if better balance were achieved in the roles of our governance.
Maybe, must maybe, if it weren't all corporation-loving rich white guys running the show we might actually have fewer poor people, instead more and more and more. Maybe we would already have health care that doesn't allow the number 1 cause for personal bankruptcy to be getting cancer if there were a few more mothers watching out for the health of their children controlling that economic joy stick for a while.
Seeing problems from one cultural angle, from one gender perspective, for centuries, leads to very poor decision making, because you limit your scope of vision. If two heads are better than one, then having more cultures, more people who have had to struggle as opposed to having things handed to them by the system, and both genders in better proportion in all levels of government can only lead to better choices being made.
June 5, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. I think you actually believe all that.
No. I'm familiar with commie atheist from another blog. He (she?) does not believe that. He's just pointing out what the racist conservative bastards have been saying.
June 5, 2009 8:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, sorry but the formatting made it unclear - I was quoting Bay Buchanan, and contrasting her "empathy" for Epstein, who committed an actual act of racial violence, with her condemnation of Sotomayor as a an "Anti-white male racist." Bay Buchanan is obviously insane, and an unrepentant racist, as is her brother, Pat.
June 6, 2009 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it's comforting to know that he was able to overcome his depression and deep emotional problems by going out and assaulting a black woman. I believe that treatment is from the Neo-con Psychiatric Disorder Manual. Its usage was fairly common until the bleeding hearts and their goddam civil rights act came along. Obviously the discontinuance of this treatment is responsible for the seething rage bubbling just beneath the surface of these racist pricks.
June 6, 2009 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
too funny ---- LFMAO
June 5, 2009 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I went to read the Human Events article, but Ann Coulter's eyes peeping over the top freaked me out too much...
June 5, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, one can sure understand that. You shouldn't have gone, probably.
June 6, 2009 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
hmm so the facts aren't disputed? Well he gets what's coming then. Maybe he'll become a hero for the right!
June 5, 2009 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
and a job with faux news
June 5, 2009 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey maybe I can make a killing selling "FREE MARCUS EPSTIEN" t-shirts. I hope he gets three to five. Maybe he'll share a cell with a black guy who know kung fu. WHACK, "Honkey bitch!"
But we all know he will get a fine and six months probation. After all it's not like he smoked pot or something bad like that. He just lost control on the street and beat a lady he never met and called her a vile name. Perfectly understandable, could happen to anyone. I empathise with the racist turkey. It's all just more of that reverse descrimination.
June 6, 2009 5:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah and they lynched that Madoff who just wished to build a better world for all of his family and friends.
June 5, 2009 6:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does she think she's doing the guy a favor by broadcasting his alcholism and depression to the world?
It sounds like he'd be best off getting himself out of the public eye, whether through our posts or Bay's, and coming up with some appropriate acts of penance and expiation. And he should spend a little time thinking about the effect of racism on people and getting very far away from the Buchanans and Tancredos.
June 5, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
No. She's doing herself a favor. The only reason she's defending him is because she doesn't think she can get away with denying her association with him.
June 5, 2009 6:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Might be nice if she expressed some empathy for the woman who got assaulted.
June 5, 2009 9:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think that Bay probably would give her three-fifths of an apology.
June 6, 2009 1:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good one! :)
June 6, 2009 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
After exhausting himself emotionally he went to one of my spare bedrooms to sleep. He stayed several months...
But he only came to say he must be going.
Well I'll give Marcus Epstein this, if you want to turn a slight propensity for self-pity into a full fledged socio-pathy, heavy drinking is the way to go. I wonder how big a dent he put in the Buchanan cellars before he felt strong enough to leave.
June 5, 2009 6:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeffrey Dahmer was a heavy drinker. Does this mean his actions were okay? I really want to know!
June 5, 2009 6:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, 'course. He's white, right. It's all OK then.
June 6, 2009 5:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Last night when I looked at her page about midnight there seemed to be 5 pages of comments all lambasting her for outing him as a member of AA and mocking her pitiful defense of the guy. Now that his law career seems to have been nipped in the bud I suggest Epstein go into the health insurance lobbying business. He seems to have a penchant for despicable lost causes.
June 6, 2009 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I saw the word "lynching" and thought that Buchanan was complaining about the man in Philly who was beaten to death this week after being identified as a "person of interest".
Silly me. Clearly "lynching" means "people saying mean things".
June 5, 2009 6:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
"I write this story not as an excuse for Marcus’ actions. There is no excuse. Marcus would be the first to admit this, and he has, many times. "
But he would not admit guilt, he penciled in a modification qua Alford plea. So he had no excuse but he had no legal guilt??
And Ms. B. makes no excuses but she blames unnamed people for baselessly keeping him out of UVA -- when it seems quite likely that he lied on his application and got caught out (though we don't have that officially that I know of). Also she says there was a plea bargain, but I have not seen that yet, only that he offered to take an undefined plea and got some kind of delayed sentencing.
"But it was only after this incident that I came to fully appreciate his finest qualities."
I never did see her describe these "finest qualities", unless attending AA meetings and going to rehab are his finest qualities.
Yikes.
June 5, 2009 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only reason Bay Buchanan can call Epstein's treatment as 'lynching' because she's never known anybody who has been lynched.
I wish someone would send her some of the photos of lynched blackmen hanging from a tree while the men who lynched him pose with their families as if this was some church picnic.
Perhaps some blacks could ACTUALLY lynch Epstein so Bay Buchanan would learn what a lynching really is.
June 5, 2009 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am getting very close to this point of view myself. However, that way lies madness.
June 6, 2009 1:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is what always amazed me - the "good christian/moral values" folks posing, smiling broadly with their children with a sometimes naked, "3/5" of a human being hanging beside them.
"I wish someone would send her some of the photos of lynched blackmen hanging from a tree while the men who lynched him pose with their families as if this was some church picnic."
June 7, 2009 9:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've always suspected that "Bay" and "Pat" are really just one person, cross-dressing.
June 5, 2009 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is she by any chance related to Michelle Backman or maybe Liz 'Edipus Schmedipus, I still love ya dad' Cheney? Or do they just get their logic out of the same bag?
June 5, 2009 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
South Park
June 5, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who better to judge a lynching than the Buchanans and their right wing cohort.
June 5, 2009 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, Bay Buchanan: lynching connoisseur!
June 5, 2009 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hate begets hate ... never saw that one coming.
June 5, 2009 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, wait - you're telling me that Buchanan's calling for lenience based on Epstein's personal problems? Isn't that kind of touchy-feely, you-have-to-understand-where-criminals-are-coming-from, bleeding-heart-liberal stuff despised by these lawnorder paleocons? Aren't they the ones who are supposed to be all "Objective justice! Throw the book at these young punks and muggers, don't coddle them!" not the other way round?
Oh wait, I forgot - it all depends on whether or not you belong to the Party! Moral relativism FTW!
(Full disclosure: in a benighted past I voted for Pat, because I was a brainwashed prolifer and friends of the family were working on his campaign. I got better.)
June 5, 2009 8:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am glad for you!
June 7, 2009 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
When we white frat boys can't physically assault a black woman on the streets of our Nation's capital while calling her a racial epithet, its a sad day in American, IN THE 1800's.
This is sick. Lynching? That lady is out of her f***ing mind, does she think is this is 1890?
The Great Minds of the Right a racist thug is "lynched" because the facts came out.
There's more to her defense that meet the eye, I'm just saying.
June 5, 2009 8:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The most galling thing in Buchanan's piece is the reference to how we all deserve second chances. If she could really digest the implications of that, 90% of her social attitudes would fall from her like scales.
But this part is just an insane blend of half-formed thoughts & feelings:
Because, you know, IOKIYAKJDWASIARTFW (Korean-Jewish dude with a speech impediment & remarkable talent for writing).
June 5, 2009 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wingers' capacity for self pity is boundless.
June 5, 2009 9:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So True.
There is so much sympathy for this kid and yet these folks don't stop for a moment to think how this women was TERRORIZED. Just imagine what it must be like to be ATTACKED solely because of the color of your skin. I hope there is a civil suit to follow.
June 6, 2009 1:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Along with her brother, Pat, one has to wonder about their childhood upbringing. Rotten fruit doesn't fall far from the tree, I guess.
June 5, 2009 9:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Brother Pat claimed Trent Lott was being "lynched" for his pro-segregation comments a few years back.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29975
June 5, 2009 10:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, it really is unbelievable. I mean, here is this poor guy who utters one racially insensitive word one time and, well, the angry pc crowd lynches him to death.
Next thing hou know we'll hear Bay say that Tiller was murdered because of the pro-choice crowd. Wait, I am sure she's already asserted this.
The word is so very hurtful that it's inexcusable.He is not entitled to use the word -- ever -- but especially when talking to an African American. And, he should be criticized for having used such openly racist word.
The self-pity has to stop. This person is a racist -- and he has an influential position as a lobbyist.
BTW: You have to really hand it to Bay for choosing the word, "lynching," when describing what Epstein experienced. It reminds me of Newt calling Sotomayor a "racist."
June 5, 2009 10:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You just hit the jackpot. What you're seeing there is the tried-and-true Republican m.o. of the Karl Rove era.
You don't just say or do something. You say or do it, while simultanously accusing those who clearly will be your opposition of being or doing exactly that.
E.G., racism: you don't just get on Sotomayor's case for pronouncing her own damned name wrong and eating the wrong foods and being a Latina in general. First, you loudly label her a "racist". Then, you go all racist on her.
A study of every public statement Karl Rove ever made, usually includes his accusing his opponents of precisely what it was he and his 'thug friends were saying or doing at that time.
It's a gimmick. MSM = not hep to it.
June 6, 2009 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
So why did Epstein do this? Was he attacked first? I can't imagine he just walked up to the first black person he saw and karate chopped them. Either way, Buchanan and Tancredo's keeping him on is quite telling.
June 5, 2009 11:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Does Buchanan know the meaning of the word "Lynching"?
lynch (lĭnch)
tr.v. lynched, lynch·ing, lynch·es
To punish (a person) without legal process or authority, especially by hanging, for a perceived offense or as an act of bigotry.
[Short for lynch law.]
lynch'er n., lynch'ing n.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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So - the guy was hanged by a mob of internet bigots?
*
June 6, 2009 12:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's pretty simple, isn't it? Ever hear of not beating woman? Guy karate chops a minority woman, calls her the "n" word, keeps his fancy job and people get mad. Who's to blame?
The people who got mad.
Bay is a *real,* *real* nutjob from way back, well beyond Coulter. You can disapprove of Pat if you want, but it's not the same ball park. Overall, she shouldn't be taken seriously (and there may not be a need for 50+ comments about her. Human Events did, though, as we see, so it makes sense in a way.
June 6, 2009 12:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Marcus Epstein will be in DC Superior Court this Monday (June 6) for a deferred sentencing review (9:30 AM, Courtroom 218, Judge Gardner). I probably will stop in and check him out. Since this is a deferred sentencing review and he has remained crime free since the incident, he probably will have the matter dismissed, which means it will not be on his criminal record.
Although what Mr. Epstein did was contemptible, for some reason I have some difficulty with all the attention he has gotten here. I'm sure he has a bit of racism in him. I saw his facebook page and noted the scornful nature of the captions. But, on the other hand, he really is simply a young, stupid kid, that was probably raised in a very sheltered environment. I'm guessing that he probably grew up in one of the lilly white neighborhoods in Northwest DC (where all the politicians live), attended those private snooty Washington schools like Sidwell Friends all his life, and ever since has been set up in cushy Republican jobs by his connected daddy. I'll bet he has never ventured out into the rest of the city of Washington, which has a majority black population. He probably is not introspective enough to understand or appreciate racial issues.
And the incident, while reprehensible, occurred in Georgetown, the hotbed of trendy yuppified drinking establishments, where he was probably knocking about with his friends and exchanging sarcastic jokes about former mayor Marion Barry. Maybe he exchanged some hot words with the woman on the street, and he reacted in a drunken stupor, or was simply showing off in front of friends. Of course it was an assault and he deserved to be arrested.
No doubt he will never become a self aware person. With his upbringing, he will probable be one of those insufferable smug frat boy college Republican types (a former President comes to mind). He will use connections to get into some second rate law school and end up being a staffer for one of the more obnoxious Republican politicians. But right now he is still pretty much a kid. I did some things when I was young and stupid that I am now ashamed of, and I would hate to think how mortified that I would be if it got out all over the internet what a dope I was.
Anyhow, I do have some sympathy for him. I will give you a report about how Monday goes for Mr. Epstein.
June 6, 2009 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your description of his circumstances makes his crimes worse. He get's a pass because he is so privileged he doesn't live in our real world? Please, give me a break.
June 6, 2009 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
"...I did some things when I was young and stupid that I am now ashamed of,......"
I am going to assume you never attacked someone on the street because of their race.
June 6, 2009 1:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Reading back over my post, I think I sound like the stereotypical liberal that thinks we should try to understand criminals, not lock 'em up.
I'm a bit embarrassed. It's late, and I think the incident triggered some buried memories of humiliating youthful incidents that occurred during drunken Georgetown binges back in the 80s.
June 6, 2009 1:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hey man. Don't regret the things you did in your mis-spent youth. If it weren't for those things you wouldn't be the person you are today, an insufferable steriotypical liberal.
But seriously, when I read your comment I realized you are probably right on one score. The guy will likely get a stern, 'Don't do that again youg man' and down the road he will go. He will then go out into the world to find more socially acceptable ways to aflict the aflicted. Isn't that what a privileged white guy with connections is supposed to do?
June 6, 2009 5:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I certainly never attacked anyone and yelled racial slurs. Mostly I just threw up in public.
June 6, 2009 1:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Me too.
Maybe Bay & Pat are hiring.
June 6, 2009 2:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Epstein himself is likely just a pathetic figure. All the interest in the story is due to the judgment of Tancredo and the Buchanans keeping him on. In fact, by focusing the counterattack on her hired hand, Bay actually deflects attention from her own support for racist behavior.
Still, by referring to public reaction as a "lynching," she's already claimed the trophy for Most Inappropriate Metaphor of the 21st Century.
June 6, 2009 2:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, he's just another black thug gangsta from the 'hood who's gonna get 3-5 years for beating up a white woman at random.
Oh, wait, I got my races mixed up.
He's just another victimized white frat boy who wants to be a lawyer who's gotten his wrist slapped with a wet noodle for beating up a black woman at random.
OK, yeah, that's it.
Sorry, JosephP. These "insufferable smug frat boy college Republican types" who do this sort of thing need a felony conviction on their records.
June 6, 2009 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't the attitude Bay is suggesting we take toward poor Marcus' problems properly termed "empathy?" That we should consider his criminal behavior in the context of his difficulties? Hasn't there been a tremendous GOP brouhaha about how bad and wrong an approach this is? Just recently??
Shorter Bay: I'd better get out and do some damage control, because this is making _me_ look bad.
Once a Pug is in this position, you can fully expect insane inversions like "racist was lynched" along the general lines of "victimizer was actually victimized." You will not be disappointed.
June 6, 2009 3:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't that the emapathy that non-activist judges shouldn't show to anyone?
June 7, 2009 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it odd how these bigoted folks are, in their own defense, the first to use this kind of terminology? Epstein was "lynched." Sotomayor is a "racist," etc. It's as if the Rove playbook of attacking your opponent's strength from your weakness has been so overused it's been boiled down to just "attack from your weakness."
June 6, 2009 4:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's the ball-kick political methadology. While one person is sitting down, immersed in philosophical introspection, the other party walks up, kicks them in the balls with every ounce of strength they have, and asks for a response. 'Oh, so i see you can't say anything. Figures that someone who is wrong couldn't come up with a response.'
June 6, 2009 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Buchanan shows her unfitness for public office, and probable need for as much psychiatric care as her staffer.
June 6, 2009 6:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
The hypocrisy is just breathtaking to behold.
June 6, 2009 8:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why all this attention to the criminal? What about the victim? This woman was assulted on the street by a man. No one deserves what happened to this woman.
June 6, 2009 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you. An excellent question for the Buchanans.
June 6, 2009 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Mostly I just threw up in public."
In some ways getting puked on might actually be worse than getting a karate chop from some pudgy, drunken frat boy. Regardless, Bay's rage is entirely predictable. One hallmark of contemporary "conservatives" is that they never, ever, truly assume responsibility for their actions without at the same time whining about their treatment and blaming others. They're all spoiled little children.
June 6, 2009 8:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if the "finest qualities" that Buchanan saw were that he could really hold his liquor, and was still able to walk while thoroughly drunk?
To me, the most damning part of her article is that she is unable (or unwilling) to say exactly why Epstein was denied admission to law school. If it was because of public pressure over his assault conviction, then she has some grounds for complaint. But if it was because Epstein failed to disclose the conviction to the school, and so failed to tell the truth, then Epstein has no one to blame but himself.
June 6, 2009 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is 2009 and STILL cons don't get how INSENSITIVE they are or how to show respect to groups of people that are NOT white southeners.
June 6, 2009 9:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
so, if i call her a stupid b;;;;,then i would get lynched?OH PULEEEEZE..WILL THESE RE=TURDS STFU
June 6, 2009 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bay is a crazy, sick b*&ch liker her brother Pat Bucanan.
June 6, 2009 11:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bay is also Mormon. She should know better than to take the lead defending this particular bigotry.
http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/06/02/the-ugliest-post-keepa-has-ever-published/
June 6, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Get ready to vomit.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/republicans_and_battered_spous.html
If you think Bay's mewling self-pity was bad, how about the GOP as analog to a battered spouse?
June 6, 2009 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Frankly I thought less of the guy after reading this article. Why didn't he have his mom write an article defending him too. Consequences suck. Welcome to adulthood.
June 6, 2009 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm actually waiting for someone to claim Epstein's first-amendment rights are being infringed by all of use Conservative-hating lefties. "I'll be damned if those libtards are gonna claim I can't scream nigger while karate chopping the shit out of someone! Why don't you just tear up the constitution and piss on the shreds while you're at it!!!"
June 6, 2009 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
This attitude clearly runs in the family. Since most of the week her brother, Pat, has been spewing nothing but race-hate about Obama's Supreme Court nominee, now having Bay defend an obvious racist is right on the beam..
It's clear that Bay and her brother have outlived their usefulness and should just retire to a pig farm in texas and be done with it. Oh, isn't there one available now ?!!?
We'd all be better off if these clowns just stepped away...
June 6, 2009 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bay is just resentful that she and her friends can't get away with real lynching anymore because it was a perfectly innocent way for them to let off a little steam. No big deal, really, no worse than being written about on a blog.
June 6, 2009 12:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bay is upset because he wasn't just living with her, he was doing her in exchange for rent.
June 6, 2009 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
He better have been getting a lot more than just his rent covered. Rent would be chump change after I got done with billing her for my services.
June 6, 2009 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with BB. Most people do deserve a second chance. But only AFTER they have paid the price for their original mistake. If Epstein is as F'ed-up as he seems, all of this will hopefully make him a better person. In AA terms, this could be his bottom. The guy is young. Let's hope the experience spurs him to change his direction.
And yes, I do think he was fucking Bay Buchanan.
(shudder)
June 6, 2009 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Will somebody at the networks that keep allowing Pat and Bay Buchanan on the various shows, please require them to first change into their KKK Outfits that they keep leaving at home before they can utter one word on the show?
It is so obvious what these two people are, it's pathetic!
June 6, 2009 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm pretty sure the word "lynching" does not mean what Bay Buchanan seems to think it means.
June 6, 2009 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
oh i think bay buchanan very much knows what lynching means. and i also think she's only contra-lynching when it happens to white bigots like herself. even if then it's only an offensive metaphor.
the buchanans are for real racists who think non-whites are inferior. and she wouldn't bat an eye for a nonwhite being karate-chopped for no reason. but her heart just breaks for the privileged white kid doing the karate-chopping. what really breaks her heart is that privileged white kids don't have the right to karate chop non-white inferiors whenever they want to. that is at the very core of what it means to be conservative for the buchanans.
June 6, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, in Bay's defense, if it was uncovered somehow that Sotomayor had been accused of Karate chopping a white person on the street while simultaneously screaming 'Cracker!!!', she (and her political ilk) would be the first one's charging to her defense to claim what a promising, decent person she was, and how raw of a deal she was getting from people who otherwise don't know her.
June 6, 2009 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
On the bright side, we have now finally seen a Buchanan mounting an empathetic and vigorous public defense of a Jew.
Who could have dreamed that this is all it took?
June 6, 2009 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
while i'm sure that the karate chopping racist is little more than a puppet for the buchanans and tancredo, the fact is that as Executive Director he isn't merely 'on staff' as you say brian. you wouldn't say that the chairman of the board of a corporation kept their CEO 'on staff', you'd say they kept him at the helm. indeed this karate chopping bigot is in fact the chief executive officer charged with running tancredo's PAC and the buchanans' xenophobic nonprofit. as executive director he would report to the board but any staff would report to him.
June 6, 2009 6:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I despise Pat & now know it's a family trait. Oh, & a party trait still for the party of Lincoln. Waking up & smelling the new millenium would be a great starting point for the last of the racist bigot crowd.
I say it again "how do they sleep at night"?
June 6, 2009 11:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
She did NOT say the "n***er chopper" is the victim of a lynching. Did she?
Is there a minute of any day that these people aren't hatching schemes to say crazy shit with the sole intent of punishing liberals by making them crazed with outrage?
June 7, 2009 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, I think Bay shows some laudable empathy for the guy. What's intersting is that the empathy of the wingnuts is only limited to each other. They are always capable of excusing each others' worst faults, from Bill Bennett's $5000 slot machine habit, to Newt's infidelity, to this kid's alcohol-fueled racism.
Also, I'd bet anything that he lied to UVA about his criminal record when applying. They would not have withdrawn their admission so quickly had they known about it. If he had been truthful, and they had admitted him knowing about his hate crime, he could now sue them for withdrawing their admission without cause.
June 7, 2009 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
If being criticized and even mocked in print is a lynching, what is the word for being screamed at in person? A crime against humanity? And then, what is the word for being assaulted on top of that? Genocide?
I can see we're going to need a whole new vocabulary here.
June 7, 2009 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
The criticism of the more responsible liberal bloggers is of Buchanan and others who continued to employ Epstein and who tried to cover up his actions. Buchanan is attempting to deflect this by making the discussion about Epstein's mental illness.
June 7, 2009 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, now you're just being cynical. She would never do such a thing. She's a fine, Christian woman, I'll have you know.
June 7, 2009 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's my comment to her article:
Ms. Buchanan,
Let's get some terminology straight. You can find photos of REAL lynchings here at PBS: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/11232007/profile2.html.
Those are lynchings. Notice all the faces hanging from the trees? See how they're all black? Notice the faces standing around gawking (men, women and CHILDREN)? See how all those faces are white? Look closely at those white faces, you may see some of your family members in them. Is that where you (and your brother Pat) learned to be racists?
So you see your little buddy wasn't lynched. He upset a lot of people with his stupid actions, just as you have with your foolish comments. But, try to keep your terminology straight ... that was no lynching Mr. Epstein received (he's not hanging from a tree), what he received is called "backlash" for despicable actions to which he has admitted. You're a politician, I'm sure you know about "backlash". In fact you seem to be on the receiving end of some right now ... and rightfully so.
June 7, 2009 4:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I certainly hope TPM changes the page on Monday, the one with Bay Buchanan on it. I am sick of looking at her and being reminded of her ugly remarks. What is it with her and Pat Buchanan, in fact with that family?
June 7, 2009 8:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting. Shouldn't this be the sort of thing that ends a career?
June 7, 2009 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually it seems normal to me that anyone who uses the "N" word would be severely ostracized and put down on the net. But no surprise that Bay would not get this. She and her brother both seem like closet racists and they may well feel smut talk about blacks in not a method of inciting more persecution and incitement of serious treatment of blacks. Actually, it clearly is and besides being hateful, it is totally ungodly. Amazing that Bay seems to condone it.
June 7, 2009 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
is reverse racism the republican version of PC BullsH*t? Why no, it is just straight up racism with a new coat of paint.
June 7, 2009 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
"-- without pausing to ask how so talented a young man could have found himself in such a mess."
Didn't have to ask: it was REPORTED -- which is what this racist biyatch is "Bay"ing about.
Talk about low-minded guttersnipe hate speech: suggesting that a person who acted as if a KKK member is a "victim" of "lynching".
And Epstein should be beyond ashamed: How often do Jews complain of having been slaves, so they "know what it's like" -- while being okay with OTHER peoples being slaves? (Need I mention, as example, the Palestinians?)
June 9, 2009 11:31 AM | Reply | Permalink