Coburn Endorses Birther Bill
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) has now signed up with the Birther cause -- the people who think Barack Obama isn't a natural-born citizen and should be required to produce a birth certificate (which he already did, anyway) -- World Net Daily reports.
Coburn has now voiced his support for a bill offered by Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL) and five House co-sponsors so far. "The bill requires any federal candidates' campaign committee filing with the Federal Election Commission to produce a copy of the candidate's birth certificate," wrote Coburn. "If the bill makes it to the Senate, I will likely support it."
Coburn also endorsed a similar bill in the Oklahoma legislature: "I hope the Oklahoma State Legislature will give serious consideration to this bill and I hope more states will reform their ballot access laws to ensure federal candidates must affirmatively prove their eligibility."
(Via Ben Smith.)
Do they have alligators in Oklahoma? Because otherwise, I have no proof that Tom Coburn's grandmother wasn't an alligator.
June 19, 2009 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear Tom Coburn's grandmother had her alligator baby out of marriage.
June 19, 2009 5:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
So much for the earlier post about Coburn the least crazy Senator from Oklahoma.
Coburn must have read that and wanted to make sure he was not being outdone and brought the crazy.
June 19, 2009 5:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Exactly. Imhofe was getting too much attention today.
June 19, 2009 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember when Republicans were getting ready to amend the Constitution so that Arnold Schwarzenegger could run for president?
June 19, 2009 5:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Heh. Yep, almost forgot about that.
June 20, 2009 12:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Are you sure that wasn't Demolition Man?
June 20, 2009 4:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Oh no! The rappers have apparently found us.... this is good for a laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIEk0Ns4w60
June 19, 2009 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I say let them keep talking. They won't be able to win any elections for the next 50 years +
June 19, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You greatly overestimate the ability of Democrats to win elections decisively. Obama won't be around forever.
June 19, 2009 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell, the way Obama's been behaving, there's no difference between Republicans and Democrats anyway. How many "Republican-appeasement" moments has he had since elected?
Remind me, which party won again? Who holds the majority? Because, most of the time, it's hard to tell.
June 19, 2009 9:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please spare us the false equivocation between Democrats and Republicans. That's the kind of -- and let's be frank here -- asinine thinking that got us eight years of George W. Bush. If you can't tell the difference between Bush and Obama or Republicans and Democrats, then you are seriously not paying attention. Your post was nothing but unproductive, glib rhetoric and has no place in an honest discussion of current events.
Would Republicans have nominated Sotomayor or anyone like her? No. Or how about Stephen Chu, Kathleen Sebelius, or Hilda Solis? Of course not.
Would Republicans have passed a stimulus package that included massive increases in funding for unemployment benefits and food assistance programs? No.
Would Republicans be pressing for a new set of financial regulatory tools in order to prevent these types of catastrophes from happening again? No.
Would Republicans respond to the current crisis in Iran with the careful statesmanship displayed by Obama? No.
Would Republicans be pressing Israel hard on the issue of settlements? No.
Would Republicans be discussing the creation of a cap-and-trade system? Hell no.
Would Republicans be pursuing the types of reforms Democrats are in health care? No.
The worst-case Democratic scenario is still better than the best case Republican scenario. If it were up to Republicans, the only reforms would be tax subsidies to help people by their own insurance. No exchange system, no expansion of Medicaid, no consideration of a public option, not even co-ops (that's only their attempt to halt a public option, they'd never have pushed for that on their own).
What we get out of health care might not be ideal, but there's simply no argument to be made that it won't be far better than what a Republican president and Congress would have delivered.
Please don't insult our intelligence by arguing that there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans. It's frankly embarrassing to hear someone voice an opinion so totally divorced from the reality of the situation. It's juvenile and counter-productive. Make your arguments with facts and analysis, not mindless rhetoric.
Will we be successful on all these issues? Will we get everything we want -- even everything we think is necessary? Probably not. But perfect should not be the enemy of good. If you really think there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans, then go vote Green for federal offices and see how that works out for you.
June 20, 2009 12:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for the clear voicing of the issues. You should be read by all Americans Republicans or Democrats.
June 20, 2009 3:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
As far as the items on the domestic agenda are concerned, I would tend to agree, though the jury is definitely still out on whether anything will be done on either health care or carbon emmisions.
However, I would take exception to the idea that the differences are so profound when it comes to the so-called war on terror, with its attendant issues of Guantanamo, domestic spying, open disclosure of past torture, etc, or to the real wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, or the real and ongoing threats against Iran, not to mention the ass-kissing performances toward our only true allies in the universe, the Israelis. In these areas and others, I think the lines between Obama and Bush may still be too blurred.
June 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great post.
Thanks.
June 21, 2009 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for this sensible comment. I remember all to painfully the blast of "Gore is no different from Bush" in 2000, and look where that got us.
The Naderites and purists are always with us, but in politics, it's quite important to recognize the limited usefulness of what they say. Has the Obama administration's every decision be what I would want? No, of course not. Politics remains politics. Perhaps Obama compromised too early on some issues, and perhaps he's found executive privilege and secrecy rather tempting himself, now that he's president. But there is a vast world of difference between Obama's actions and everything Bush or McCain would be doing, and we need to keep that in sight -- even while criticizing mis-steps and lack of mettle.
Criticize away, but I simply don't want to hear the "Obama's just a Republican-light": it's not true, and it's certainly not useful.
June 22, 2009 9:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't matter: any Dem will beat any Rep. Too many people found out what happened when W. Bush and Cheney were around forever.
June 20, 2009 4:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hope you're right. But, just because it's laser-etched into our brains doesn't mean it will always be that way to the electorate at large.
June 20, 2009 11:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
psyclone. That is a very good point. I am hoping for some new visions from the dems. There are good progressive folks coming up into the ranks.
However, unless the thugs change their tune, I doubt they will be winning many elections any time to soon. 2010 is going to be interesting and very telling
June 21, 2009 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
WTF? Isn't Coburn the one they say has a special friendship with Obama? I don't get it.
June 19, 2009 6:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand current law requires that US President's be so-called "natural born" citizens. However is it anything other than treating some citizens of this country as second class? It is a law born out of a misappropriated fear of foreigners. It seems unlikely to me that we'd ever elect someone Osama Bin Laden to the highest office*. But if we did, is that not democracy? It's time to put an end to this racist/nationalistic law and treat American citizens as just that.
*Worth noting: Many of the tin foil hat wearing tea baggers think "President Hussein" is the equivalent to Osama. Which makes me laugh.
June 19, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It isn't a matter of "current law" requiring a candidate to be a natural born citizen to be President of the United States. It is in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution. So changing it would require a constitutional amendment.
But it is not actually that big of a hindrance. All it requires is that someone is either born in the United States (Which means that even if someone is born to illegal immigrants, they can grow up and be President if they are born in the US.) or be born to citizens somewhere else (i.e. John McCain).
And the President and Vice-President are the only 2 offices in our government that have that requirement. Senators and Representatives need to be citizens (for at least 9 and 7 years respectively) but they can be born anywhere. And I can't find any kind of citizenship requirements at all for Federal judges.
And the requirement does not qualify as racist in any way. Especially when you consider the current office holder had an African father who was a British national.
June 20, 2009 2:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks for clearing that up.
June 20, 2009 3:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. But then again, Republicans haven't shown much knowledge of the law, or the Constitution for that matter.
Didn't they take civics classes in school like the rest of us?
June 22, 2009 7:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
"If the bill makes it to the Senate, I will likely support it."
The sad thing is, I can easily visualize House and Senate Democrats as chickenshit enough to let this piece of gerbil-cage liner make it that far. Gotta be bipartisan, doncha know....
June 19, 2009 7:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Amen to that. IMHO, Clinton's presidency was torpedoed by the sniveling democratic cowards in the house and senate as much as, if not more than, his personal issues. The congressional democrats have a long history of lacking any sort of political courage, at least since the 1960's.
June 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I'm sure the people in Hawaii, the 50th state, are just thrilled at the nonsensical things that have been said about their state this past year. When Obama went to Oahu during the campaign one idiot reporter, who shall remain nameless but is married to Greenspan, said something to the effect that it seemed unwise that Obama was taking a vacation outside the country. Perhaps the people of Hawaii should invite the members of the "Birther" cause to the 50th anniversary of statehood. It might do them good to travel outside the country occasionally and to get "lei'd". Idiots!
June 19, 2009 8:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess that leaves Ahnohld out in the cold. So much for the the opportunity for the country's first Austrian-born pot-smoking roid-taking boob-groping president.
June 19, 2009 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are these senators going mad?? The only way to let these people know our reactions to their behavior is to flood their offices with calls, not his OK office,his DC office:
202-224-5754
June 19, 2009 8:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
They should call it the Von Brunn Bill, in honor of their mentor.
June 19, 2009 10:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
First of all Obama is not black. His mother is white. Why is it that all the race card players say he is black. You can't do this in this case. If you mix a collie and a rottweiler do you get a collie? or is it a rottweiler? It's neither. It's a mutt and so is Obama. Not black not white but a Mutt. How does this play into the birth certificate issue. Well for all the people screaming bigotry and racism. Wake up. One of Obamafrauds biggest enemies happens to be a real black man with 2 black parents and he is going to put Fraudbomber out on the street by this fall. First reason is his fake birth certificate, which snopes and all the other liberal owned validation companies have done nothing to prove prima facia that fraudbomber was born on usa soil. He may be a citizen but not a natural born citizen. I have a hawaiian birth certificate. Not a colb and believe me there is a big difference. Obama has spent over 1 million dollars fighting in court to block the release of his non existent birth certificate. Why not just spend the $10.00 to shut up all of the racist bigots that are harassing this 100% pure black nubian prince? The reason is that he has been stalling along with the other liberals to try to figure out how to come up with a fake birth certificate that will be able to fake out the forensics team that the republicans are going to have verify the certificate. This man used a fake name to attend college and has no college records available to be seen. Why? Because he had them sealed. Why? Because they like him are probably fake. So call it what you want. But anyone who doesn't see this person for what he really is needs to stop listening to his arrogant self righteous rhetoric and demeanor and look at the hard evidence. He has no verifiable credentials. He will be out of the white house by this fall and there will most likely be race riots because people see what they want to see and percieve what they wish too. No matter how much evidence is produced that he is a fraud his die hard cult followers that have been brainwashed will never find fault with their master. I liken it to a mother who no matter how much proof is presented that her son is a fraud she will continue in a state of denial. "He would never do that." "You have made a mistake." etc etc. She will deny it to the grave as the brainwashed american people will also deny it until our once great country is a complete cess pool. Filled with liar,frauds, and yes obama worshipers. I can't wait till he is found out and hopefully his cancerous policy can be reversed before we become a socialist police state filled with rap music and violence. Which by the way go hand in hand.
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HERE IS SOME PROOF THAT OBAMA WAS NOT BORN IN THE USA. HE IS A FRAUD GO TO THE BELOW WEBSITE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZAbqgpoGQ
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HERE IS YET MORE PROOF FACT CHECK IS A FRAUD AND FRAUDBAMA USED TO BE ON IT'S BORED OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO REPORT WHAT HE WANTS THEM TOO.
Factcheck .org is owned by Annenberg of Chicago..
Obama sat on the board of Annenberg dispersing up to 60 million dollars a year..
Draw your own conclusions..
Source(s):
http://www.patterico.com/2008/09/25/the-...
June 19, 2009 11:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh noes! You're onto us! Stop posting THE TRUTH or we'll ride into your town in our silent Black Helicopters, ride our chupacabras onto your lands, mutilate your cattle, fluoridate your wells, and install microchips in your wrist that will force you to lose your private health insurance and raise your capital gains taxes to Reagan era levels. And you know what I'm saying is the TRUTH too, since our evil minions at Snopes and Factcheck deny the BlackHelicopter/chupacabra alliance, so it MUST BE TRUE! And not even your Aluminum Foil propellar beanie cap can save you! Bwa ha ha!
June 20, 2009 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
obaminator says:
The above is an example of the mind of a classic wingnut at work, its dysfunction on parade. Here's a question for you:
If the birth certificate doesn't exist, what is he fighting to block?
June 20, 2009 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ah, nothing like a birther post to bring out the ranting crazies.
IT'S THE MOON PEOPLE! THE MOON PEOPLE! CAN'T YOU SEE IT?!! THIS VIDEO IS PROOF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqFYsNuXysc
June 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Your GPS on the blink? I believe you took a wrong turn, buddy. Red State is here.
June 20, 2009 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
FDR,
obaminator isn't here, he left to Chair the
3:00 PM meeting of MENSA.
June 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Obaminator, sir, you are a LIAR! If I prove you are lying about one main issue, doesn't that invalidate your other arguments? You state:
"I have a hawaiian birth certificate. Not a colb and believe me there is a big difference."
No, you don't have your Hawaiian Birth Certificate. At best, you have a copy of it. All birth certificates are kept on file under the Director of Health & Human services (who, by the way, has stated that Obama's COLB is valid). They can be viewed with permission of HHS. Any genealogist can verify this.
But, for the sake of argument, let's grant your premise; Obama was not born in this country. I ask you: Where was he born then? If he was born OUTSIDE this country, he would have had to come here. Do you have any PROOF that his mother traveled outside the US (you know, airline tickets, Visa stamp, application for a passport)?
How do you explain that an announcement was placed in the local (Honolulu) newspaper? Was it a part of a conspiracy that predicted 45 years later he would run for president?
Do you see where your argument falls apart? Since you are making the charges, it isn't up to Obama to prove them wrong; it is up to YOU to prove them RIGHT. Since he is the sworn President, the burden of proof is on you. It's not enough to just cast aspersions. YOU made a claim, now PROVE it.
June 20, 2009 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
YES I DO HAVE A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WHY?
BECAUSE I WAS BORN IN 1961 AND THEY GAVE THE ORIGINAL TO THE PARENTS BACK THEN. YOU DO SOME RESEARCH IDIOT.
CHEW ON THIS!
I AND MANY OTHERS LIKE ME HAVE UNLIMITED FUNDS TO BRING THE TRUTH OUT AND WILL NOT STOP UNTIL HE IS PUBLICLY DISGRACED AS A FRAUD AND REMOVED FROM OFFICE BY THE AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM AND INCARCERATED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vru5pz2pwQ
June 21, 2009 1:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
No you don't, you idiot. Think about it for a minute: if they gave you the original, what would you do when you need a copy and you, being the fucking moron that you are, had lost yours? You'd never be able to get a driver's license or social security card. I'm a member of the American Genealogical Society, doing research for the LDS Church.
But you just keep stamping your feet and holding your breath, ensuring that Obama will be re-elected in 2012. Keep beating a dead horse issue instead of raising money money, registering voters, persuading people that the Republicans have "new ideas".
Lots of bold talk about disgracing, removing, and incarcerating a sitting president from a movement that hasn't shown a scintilla of proof; all they have is "the BC isn't real!" DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF THAT HE WAS BORN ELSEWHERE? No, I don't mean "analysis" that the one posted online isn't real, I mean REAL evidence. Like a BC from ANOTHER COUNTRY, or a Visa stamp from when his mother brought him into this country, or a public announcement in a newspaper OTHER than the Honolulu paper, or a witness who attended his birth, or the DOCTOR who delivered Obama in this mythical country, or the testimony of the person(s) who faked the current BC on display.
See how stupid you sound? And I feel just as stupid for arguing with you.
June 21, 2009 2:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
ROTFLMFAO@ obaminator! Are you krazy, ignorant, delusional, and/or off the meds?!?!??!?!?!??!
June 20, 2009 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
obaminator,
Tom Coburn should be proud, I just passed along your essay to him.
June 20, 2009 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thank you so much for posting that, obaminator. It was a nice long post, too, not leaving any uncertainty about your intentions, your unique logic, and your frame of mind. I'm going to keep a copy of it handy in case I ever need to show somebody just how nutty the GOP has become. You guys are a riot. I'm so glad we don't have to worry about Republicans ever running the government again.
June 20, 2009 11:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
HEY PALE CHIMPANZE. WE ALREADY ARE BACK IN ACTION.
POLLS SHOW OBAMA SLIPPING FAST. AND WHITEY HAS ALL THE MONEY IN THIS COUNTRY DON'T FORGET THAT.
WE ARE THE MAJORITY. OVER 200 MILLION AGAINST A SMALL MINORITY.
DON'T FORGET THAT CHIMPY.
June 21, 2009 1:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
So much for intelligent and rational discourse, but hey, I am not surprised obaminator is a birther and teabagger; are you?
"HEY PALE CHIMPANZE. WE ALREADY ARE BACK IN ACTION.
POLLS SHOW OBAMA SLIPPING FAST. AND WHITEY HAS ALL THE MONEY IN THIS COUNTRY DON'T FORGET THAT.
WE ARE THE MAJORITY. OVER 200 MILLION AGAINST A SMALL MINORITY.
DON'T FORGET THAT CHIMPY."
June 21, 2009 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, you're back in action all right and Senator Ensign is leading the pack.
June 21, 2009 6:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You should type your post in ALL CAPS. That's always a real attention-getter, and it lets people know you're someone to be taken seriously!
June 21, 2009 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
While I am encouraged by the use of periods by this extra-crispy Birther...He should know that paragraphs are also his friend. People of intelligence are more likely to read a person's entire post if it isn't one long paragraph.
Of course, those same people of intelligence will still giggle at him.
June 21, 2009 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dems' response: Birther bill? Sure! You got it. We'll toss it on the pile. Probably get to it soon after DADT and DOMA.
June 20, 2009 12:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nut Job - this shows how far the credibility of the republicans has fallen - seriously - this is insane. And not an ISSUE.
June 20, 2009 3:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Idiots...........To qualify to even be eligible to run for President, Obama had to produce a copy of his birth certificate which was verified with the state of record. If that had not been done, he wouldn't have been on the ballot. PERIOD!
Rant all you like. Link to all the stupid websites you like. YOU LOST. He doesn't need to show YOU anything. Only the people with a need to know basis, and they were satisfied.
With this bill are they trying to change the law to anyone holding any federal office must be a natural born citizen? I'm confused, because we already have that requirement for Pres/VP, which is what they have been crying about.
June 20, 2009 3:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
EMPY YOU ARE THE IDIOT. DO YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING IS ABOVE BOARD AND CHECKED. HOW DID ENRON,MADOFF, AND MOZILLO GET AWAY WITH FRAUD. THEY WERE CHECKED OUT TOO.
THERE ARE ALSO MANY DOCTORS PRACTICING MEDICINE WHO GOT THROUGH WITH FAKE CREDENTIALS.
JUST WAIT TILL THE TRUTH COMES OUT.
YOUR OBAMABITCH WILL BE BACK IN THE GHETTO WHERE YOU LIVE.
June 20, 2009 4:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
obaminator: You seriously need help. Please, for the sake of your family and your own health, see a doctor. You're unhinged, and you need medication.
June 20, 2009 7:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I AM A DOCTOR. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MEDICAL.
THIS IS ABOUT A FRAUD AND HIS GHETTO FOLLOWERS.
June 21, 2009 1:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
You are a doctor like I am the Queen of England. You can't even spell - you're an idiot and a fraud.
June 21, 2009 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
NO YOU ARE THE QUEEN OF YOUR CRACK HOUSE IN YOUR GHETTO.
June 21, 2009 6:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
obamator,
you sure told him!
June 20, 2009 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is just so awesome to have some true cranks back at TPM.
Welcome! If you need a locker for your white hood, or perhaps your 2nd Amendment protected firearms, they're in the back, which is also where we keep the aborted fetuses, and the argula garden.
June 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the best post I have read today; thanks for the laughter!
June 20, 2009 9:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
You are a nutcase. You keep proving it with every post. There are so many reasons you are wrong but you refuse to admit it so there is no discussing this with you.
June 20, 2009 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
obaminator (if that doesn't say all we need to know, I don't know what does)
#1 - Go to Rootsweb or Cyndi's List. Both are genealogy sites. Try LEARNING something about birth certificates.
#2 - The birth certificate that Obama has produced is TOTALLY legal and will hold up in ANY court in this country.
#3 - The Governor of Hawaii has VIEWED the original birth certificate and stated unequivocally that his birth certificate is valid.
#4 - All of the other nonsense about laser printing is exactly that. EVERY state in this country handles issuance of birth certificates differently. NO ONE EVER gets the "original". It's simple. What do they do if it got lost. Just like YOU would never get the original title to your property. It's called a certified original.
So PLEASE quit showing your ignorance of this subject. You have NO idea what you are presenting as "facts".
June 20, 2009 8:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
PROTECT YOUR FOTUS YOU OBAMAB**CH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vru5pz2pwQ
June 21, 2009 1:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
what people fail to put together, check that, I bet they do, but don't want to admit is that there are checks on different levels so people with fake documents can't advanced.
For example, Obama would have had to present proof of citizenship when he went to college and to receive student loans. Also, when Obama applied for a passport when he was a child, he again, would have to prove that he was a USC.
Also, when Obama started any job, being with a law firm, a non profit, as a state senator of Illinois and im sure as a senator of the united states he would have to prove he was a USC.
Now if you REALLY believe that since a young age, Obama has had the best fraudulent birth certificate, then I do not consider you a skeptic, I consider you the dumbest person on earth.
June 20, 2009 8:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't bother with facts for these folks like Obamanator. They could care less because they are ignornant, undereducated, racist and inbred. This is what happens when you keep marrying your own.
The world is laughing at them. Even some of their own are starting to think they have gone off the deep end.
June 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
HEY LOSE GIRL. I'M SURE YOU ARE A 100% PURE NUBIAN PRINCESS.
I'M FAR FROM INBRED. I'M BLACK FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
I HAVE 2 BLACK PARENTS.
YOU ARE THE GENERALIZING RACIST.
ASSUMING I AM WHITE. AND INBRED. AND STUPID.
HA. IT'S FUNNY.
I MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AS A DOCTOR AND I GUESS I JUST LUCKED OUT AND PASSED MY MCATS.
LUCKY FOR ME!
June 21, 2009 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Notice Coburn mentions a "Copy" of the candidate's birth certificate, but the Forces of Wingnuttery are demanding Obama's 'original'.
June 20, 2009 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Does the LEFT have any kind of adult leadership? You know. Like they have (had?) in the Boy Scouts. I've gone all the way down the column here and found no pro-Obama/anti-"birther" comments that are even worth responding to. Most of it is just poo-flinging and name calling. The kind of thing I would usually expect from feral human children (the kind raised by liberals) or other types of lower primates. Is this the future of "American" cultural trends? There is nothing particularly attractive about it.
If you can't answer an honest question or if it leads to some conclusion you don't like, HEY, just start flinging $hit! Judging from what I am seeing here, the monkeys are truly running the zoo!
June 20, 2009 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf says;
Randwulf, what was the honest question?
June 20, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's your question, jerkoff?
June 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just kidding.
I don't give a shit about your question.
June 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Again, typical wing nut hypocrite a.k.a. republican, you only see and hear what your filter is programmed for you to see and hear. I have seen so many intelligent responses, to obaminator's inane shyt, I found it useless for them to waste their energies on such ignorance, but here you come, proving they were right, even though their energies were wasted twofold.
June 20, 2009 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well I didn't ask the question but others have. The question is this: Is there some reason why the president WILL NOT produce a copy of the original birth certificate and just lay all of this to rest once and for all?
OK kids. Here we go. Get all your little insults and names ready. Here I'll help you with some quotes some of you like to use in this and every other blog on this subject. You know. So you can discredit a message by attempting to somehow discredit the messenger. "Crazies", "unhinged", "need serious help", "jerkoff", "see a doctor", "need medication", "nut jobs", "true cranks", etc.
So insult away. Be real smart-arsy!! Show us how clever you are! Do everything but answer the question. The reason you don't want to answer the question is because you are in denial of the truth. The truth being that Obama has no real BC to provide until they have one made up for him. If he were to show his true credentials, he wouldn't be in office any more. And he knows it.
READY! SET! FLING POOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
June 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Come back when you can climb out of your playpen by yourself, rand.
June 20, 2009 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf, when you're dealing with people who look at a "Certificate of Live Birth" and refuse to admit that it is, in fact, a "Birth Certificate", you know that nothing will satisfy them. It's almost like there's something about Obama that's different than other presidents, something that makes such people want to believe that he isn't a "real American".
Alternatively, they may just feel that there's no such thing as a Democrat legitimately holding the office of POTUS.
Either way, once you realize that you're dealing with such people, there are only two possible reactions: ridicule or resignation. Mock or give up.
And let's face it, ridicule is much more fun.
June 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf,
he did produce a copy but wingnuts like you found whole volumes of reasons to deny it was a legitimate copy.
This piece of nonsense is too good for you wingnuts to give up, you wouldn't accept the copy offered even if it came accompanied by a sworn Affidavit of Authenticity by the Heritage Foundation, a Letter of Testament by the Southern Baptist Convention, and the Impramatur of National Chamber of Commerce.
By the way, you earn the names and insults thrown at you with the laughable posts you offer.
June 20, 2009 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf
A-hole (yes, I am name calling since cordiality doesn't work on ignoramuses), NO one, NOT even YOU, have an ORIGINAL of any vital statistic document!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF you have one, or knows someone who has one, PLEASE, by all means tell us who they are how they got it.
June 20, 2009 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Read the posting again DORK! I said I have a "photocopy" of the original hand typed document. A computer generated (or a photo-shop imitation like Obama's) is NOT a photocopy of the original. Pretty hard to follow ain't it. I know. Well you just keep banging those rocks together and you might eventually evolve.
June 21, 2009 11:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf;
The whole "birther" issue is REPUBLICAN poo flinging. They just can't wrap their racist mind around that a black man (yes, he's considered black) was elected president.
FACTS:
1) A certified copy of his BC was posted on the Obama web site. A certified copy that is good enough to get a driver's license, passport or enlist in the military.
2) A birth announcement was printed in the local newspaper over 40 years ago
3) The state of Hawaii has verified that the BC is legit.
4) Obama's opponent, Sen. McCain, WAS NOT born in the US (nor on a military base or embassy). It took a resolution in Congress to clarify his status.
Where's your proof? Just vague allegations and "poo throwing". It's hard to make intelligent arguments when answering neanderthals.
June 20, 2009 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
From you last to first questions: (Because you guys think backwards better anyway.) (And because I'm a poo-flinging "Neanderthal")
It's not about McCain. He complied and showed his credentials.
The governor viewed it but offered nothing as to what it actually said, only saying that there is a document there.
Many birth announcements are made in many papers for many years. It doesn't mean the child was born in that town or offer any other information. It was just an announcement that someone was born.
The document offered by the Obama people is the abbreviated form which only means that there is a document somewhere in Hawaiian State files that contains at least that much information. The original long form (if it exists for Obama) should contain much more.
So, as far as having intelligent conversation on the subject goes, what could be more simple, straightforward and intelligent than just having a look at that long form and then deciding the issue based on that? Instead of name-calling.
June 20, 2009 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf,
After reading this latest post from you, I rest my previously presented case.
June 20, 2009 4:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you go look at the differences between a long and short form COLB? This is important. Go look.
Big difference.
June 20, 2009 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Beauwulf,
it doesn't matter whether its a long or short form, both show he was born in Hawaii.
June 21, 2009 7:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
In order
"It's not about McCain"
Why not? If you had any consistency in your logic, you would be OUTRAGED that McCain's status as a natural born citizen was also in doubt. Oh, you're only concerned when it's a DEMOCRAT (or is it black)
"He (McCain) complied and showed his credentials."
What credentials? A birth certificate? Again, I repeat, JOHN MCCAIN WAS NOT BORN IN THE UNITED STATES!!! How could he have "credentials" proving he was a natural born citizen when, obviously, he was not? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, not a US State.
"The governor viewed it but offered nothing as to what it actually said, only saying that there is a document there"
Not the governor, but the Director of Health (the official caretakers of vital records) has this to say:
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
Oh, BTW, the Governor of Hawaii, her boss, is a REPUBLICAN
"Many birth announcements are made in many papers for many years..."
True, but it does corroborate the legitimacy of the Hawaiian birth. Or do you seriously believe that this was a "plot" hatched 46 years ago? Can you provide a public birth announcement from anywhere else?
"The document offered by the Obama people is the abbreviated form, which only means that there is a document somewhere else in Hawaiin State files that contains at least that much information. The long form (if it exists for Obama) should contain much more."
IF it exists? The Director of HHS just stated that she had seen it. And it doesn't take "a million dollars in court costs to fight it's release; Dr. Fukino again:
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
"So, as far as having intelligent conversation on the subject goes, what could be more simple, straightforward and intelligent than just having a look at the long form and then deciding the issue based on that? Instead of name-calling"
Because it's IMPOSSIBLE to have intelligent conversations with "birthers". They believe the world is flat, Adam & Eve walked with dinosaurs, and that Obama is "hiding" his "real" birth certificate. He has published on his web site a copy of his birth certificate; the director of the vital statistics department has confirmed that it's correct, and explained why she can't provide a copy for just anyone.
Where's YOUR proof? All I hear are insinuations. You don't believe Obama was born here? Prove where he was born. (birth announcements in local papers, Kenyan BC's, etc.) If he was born elsewhere, and came to the US, where is his mom's passport & Visa stamp? At several points in his life, he had to provide his BC; to attend elementary school, obtain financial aid for college, get a driver's license. His BC passed muster at all points then. Did he have a "fake" BC all along? Is it the SAME fake that is now posted on his web site?
You're right, though. You can't have an intelligent discussion with someone who believes the moon is made of green cheese, and DEMANDS that you provide a genuine moon rock to disprove it.
Obama is the duly elected and sworn (despite the hairlip Roberts' fumbling) President of the United States. So suck rocks for the next 3 1/2 years!
June 20, 2009 6:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok Of the ASS Valley(or whatever that name means), you said:
"Where's YOUR proof? All I hear are insinuations."
Good question. Now we are getting somewhere. My proof is being "safeguarded" (I hope) by the State of Hawaii until such time as some plaintiff with "standing" can somehow force the courts to demand production of certain documents pertaining to this whole question. First and foremost is the long form original COLB for Obama (if there is one) in their records vaults in Hawaii. Does that answer your question you F@CKING IDIOT? How many times must it be asked plainly? Where is the F@UCKING LONG FORM VERSION OF OBAMA'S COLB???
REPEAT, I'm not insinuating any f@cking thing! I am repeatedly asking the same simple question and it has nothing to do with the flatness of the earth or the cheesiness of the moon and everything to do with FRAUD and PURGERY! WAKE UP! PAY ATTENTION! TRY TO GET THIS!
And yes, he probably has a fake BC that has worked for him for years. And he may have attended Occidental as a foreign student. With US government financial aid. How did that happen? Has he released his records of any of that yet? NO! HE HAS NOT! It just keeps getting more interesting all the time. So much for transparency!!
June 20, 2009 8:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to use a phrase that you might want to ask one of your smarter friends to explain to you:
"Absence of proof is not proof of absence."
Just because you haven't seen Obama's long form BC, or heard the testimony of his mother's OB-GYN, or seen the 8 mm footage of his head poking out of the birth canal, THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE WASN'T BORN IN THE UNITED STATES! It only means he hasn't proven it to YOUR satisfaction.
But you see, President Obama has taken office. Now the burden of proof IS ON YOU! No, your "proof" is not being safeguarded by the State of Hawaii; OUR proof is being safeguarded there.
To repeat myself, let's follow your logic; Obama was not born in the 50 United States. Therefore, he is not a natural born citizen, and not eligible to be president.
Sooooooooo, if he wasn't born in the US, WHERE WAS HE BORN? (simple logic; if not HERE, then ELSEWHERE) You don't like the BC on his website? Then provide the BC where he was "really" born. Or the newspaper announcement. Or the midwife or OB-GYN who oversaw the birth. Since he was not born in the US, how did he get HERE? Do you have any Passport or Visa stamp showing his entrance into the US? Or even one lousy witness who says "Yeah, Barry was born on the international space station and HALO jumped into Hawaii. It's real easy to throw stones; much harder to prove things.
Oh, BTW, when you call someone a fucking idiot, you really shouldn't misspell "pergury". It has a "j"
And no, he did not attend Occidental as a foreign student. Check Snopes.com or Factcheck.org for that lie. Unless they, too, are part of this 46 year old "conspiracy".
No, it doesn't get more interesting all the time. It just gets old, rolling out these old, tired Republican talking points. Obama is the President. Deal with it.
June 21, 2009 3:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
VanA,
excellent post, I doubt he'll address it, but if he does I'm sure his reply will be empty of fact from non biased sources.
June 21, 2009 8:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, Obama has "perjured" himself then. I found myself surrounded for a bit. No time for fine tuned spelling while in a target-rich environment. So many nuts to crack. So little time.
Don't worry, it will all come out one way or the other. I think Alan Keyes may be his undoing. (Another "racist", "birther", "Crazy" ) BHO won't make his 4 years and he definitely won't be able to run for 4 more. His days are numbered. All will be settled and decided. When it becomes evident to most people that he has been lying and knowingly acting as POTUS as a usurper, he will have to be impeached. And the promised social upheaval will be VERY interesting. I hope you guys out there on the left branches of the monkey tree are ready, because it's coming and you are the cause of it. I'm not going to argue "negative proof" themes with you zombies any more. My proof is what Obama will never willingly show. For obvious reasons. Oh, and again, I'm NOT a Republican. Please.
June 21, 2009 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf,
Where is your long form?
June 20, 2009 9:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
What the hell is wrong with this idiot Colburn. Isn't he the same clown who knew all about this affair that Ensign was having? All of these Republican Morons should continue doing just what they're doing. This will make a nice campaign ad. I'm so happy the Republicans are out of office. I enjoy watching them suffer. Get used to it you morons because we're going to vote for him again. Also, just wait until 2010. You idiots who are expecting to pick up Republican seats are forgetting one thing. The party of no won't have any record to run on and will be punished again for that. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS AS DEAD AS RONALD REGAN AND LIKE REGAN THEY'LL STAY DEAD!
June 20, 2009 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Many of the trolls on this site today are probably the same losers who voted for McGeezer. A man born in PANAMA which is definitely not in the United States. The Republican party is filled with the same racist trash that we've seen coming from South Carolina. You saltines don't seem to get it. The only way you're going win again is to attract the very people you look upon with hate and scorn. It's pretty ironic. African Americans like me and Latinos are never going to vote for a party who thinks the racist, ignorant teabaggers are the soul of the party. Every McCain/Palin rally I saw last year look like a KLAN MEETING! You know why Michael Steele is the only minority in that party? It's because the rest of us are afraid of being hanged!
June 20, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
The most racist people I ever meet these days are either "Latinos" or "African-Americans".
June 20, 2009 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's with the quotation marks? Do you doubt that they are, in fact, Latinos or African Americans for some reason? Or do you dispute the legitimacy of those terms?
June 20, 2009 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, the latter. "latinos" is silly because it implies that they have some connection I suppose to the Latin language. But, so do the French and Italians. African-American is just the current term and could change again at some point I guess. I've seen them go from Colored to Negro to Black to African American in my lifetime. What was wrong with Black?
June 20, 2009 5:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do you call yourself? You are really black, aren't you? er, sorry, Dr. black?
June 21, 2009 9:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, yup, Latinos and African Americans lynched ‘em a lot of lot ah White folks back in the day and continue today to try and block any means of resources for White folks to get ahead in this country - you betcha **wink, wink**
June 20, 2009 9:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROTFLMAO@
June 20, 2009 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
ROXANNE YOUR BRAIN IS DEFINITELY NOT THE SIZE OF YOUR BOOTY OR WE WOULD BE IN TROUBLE.
MCCAIN HAS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT IS REAL. NOT THE COLB THAT OBAMA HAS. YES MCCAIN IS PROBABLY NOT ANY MORE ELIGIBLE THAN OCRACK BOMBER HOWEVER HE IS NOT FRAUDULENTLY PRESIDENT IF HE WAS PRESIDENT I WOULD BE AGAINST HIM TOO.
June 21, 2009 1:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
How do you know McCain's BC is "real"? Have you seen it? Obama's has been posted on his website. Where is McCain's?
Game,set and match!!1
June 21, 2009 4:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
McCain is a poor example to use in examples with these fanatics. McCain is just a half-rung on the ladder from being Democat in their world.
At least the rest of us get a sense of what it must be like the path to "social dementia"* looks like.
* 1) http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/citation/2006/1222/1
* 2) http://www.myspace.com/street_77_nofuture
June 21, 2009 9:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Testing, testing, one two three
June 20, 2009 3:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can't reply, being censored.
June 20, 2009 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Nope, No "Hope". I can't answer you. Blog won't let me.
June 20, 2009 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Go take a look at this comparison of one real Hawaiian BC and the one you say is Obama's proof of being born in Hawaii. I tried this a few minutes ago but the "blog owner" must not have liked it. He/she/it saw fit to fail to post it, opting for letting you children continue with your verbal abuse instead.
Why is it Alan, born in 1963 has a long form BC and Barry doesn't? I think I just answered my own question. Not bad for a "wingnut". Thanks for validating my previous point. Also, thanks to FDRdog for seconding that.
This Alan guy must be a wingnut as well for having the, dare I say "audacity" to actually have a real BC.
Go look at these two images.
I'll try to enter it again in another post.
June 20, 2009 3:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I demand to see George W. Bush's birth certificate (the original, not a copy!), and if he won't show it, then he was not a legitimate president, and every law, executive order, and regulation he signed or issued is null and void.
June 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe anyone ever asked Bush for one. Congress did ask McCain though. He quickly responded by supplying one. It even showed the name of the doctor and the hospital and parents, and all the rest.
June 20, 2009 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, all Presidential candidates must confirm their citizenship. The documentation Obama supplied was confirmed by the governor of Hawaii (a Republican) and was accepted by both his rival and SCOTUS. Do you think that they're utterly stupid, or are they part of the Conspiracy?
For that matter, how high and wide and far back do you think the Conspiracy goes? Both of Honolulu's major newspapers printed birth announcements for a son born (in Honolulu) to "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama" in August 1961, and Hawaiian officials still maintain that he's legit.
June 20, 2009 4:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
When did Obama prove his citizenship status? And to whom? And who was the authority overseeing that process? And what credentials did he present as proof at the time. When did this occur?
What did the governor confirm? What exactly did she say she saw about this particular document? What hospital was he born in and who was the attending physician? Is he still alive?
And yes, I believe there is a conspiracy in the SCOTUS to keep from having to really address the issue altogether. Closed door, in chambers meetings attended by justices and the defendant and his attorneys while the plaintiff's attorney is not present? Highly unusual and completely unethical.
Yes, the newspaper birth announcement. A common and routine thing to do at the time. Birth announcements can be made at any time, sometimes weeks after the actual birth. Barry's grandmother probably put it in there. So what? He could have been born in Kenya two weeks prior. And speaking of that, why would the Kenyan government seal BHO's files there? Why would they issue a gag order to members of his family to prevent them from talking to reporters? And why do most Kenyans believe he was born there? Why did his grandmother say she was present at his birth there? The right wing "racists" must have put that memory into her head somehow.
June 20, 2009 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf,
Yep, Osama's grandmother put that birth announcement in the Hawaiian paper because she knew that in 47 years or so Obama was going to run for President of the U S. She obviously sent the paper a money order from Kenya to pay for the ad.
June 21, 2009 6:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yup, yup, they part of the Conspiracy - you betcha **wink, wink**
June 20, 2009 9:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
But was it in the U.S., moron?
June 20, 2009 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
But was WHAT in the US, MORON?
June 20, 2009 6:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf says:
Randwulf, can you supply any reference where I can go to check this McCain/birth certificate/Congress action?
June 21, 2009 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
So, this is very interesting. How very progressive and "liberal" minded. This blog must automatically reject any posting which might contain any website address which would tend to support the claims of anyone you don't agree with. In other words, prevent anyone from reading anything dangerous of threatening to your position on the issues. Kind of like your much kvetched about book burnings by those evil NS types. So now the left wing, lib types are becoming the "Ministry of Truth" for the rest of us. I think this blog must just be about all the lefties getting together for political, mutual masturbation sessions and other kinds of Republican abuse. I'm not even a Republican. Just Google Hawaiian Birth Certificate and then hit images. You can see the difference between the long and short form BCs. If you want to. If you can see through all the brain washing you have all apparently suffered.
June 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Where is your "orignal" birth certificate?
June 20, 2009 9:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love how this site prints all the deranged posts from whiny wingnuts. It reveals the extent of their dementia, when they so eagerly interpret even the slightest technical delay in comment submission to some tyrannical attempt to oppress them.
June 22, 2009 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can we start a new bill stating that
whackjob people that don't accept facts despite verified evidence and want us all to join the 'freemen' and prepare for aliens to take over the earth are not allowed to serve in any public office?
June 20, 2009 4:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of "whackjobs". Are you giving yourself one right now in your mother's basement?
June 20, 2009 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here is a website with images of the two types of COLBs used by Hawaii. You can see the long and the short of it. Obama's is the short and incomplete form and Alan's is the long form with all birth information shown. This is what Obama needs to supply to the people who doubt his citizenship status if he wants to shut them up. Otherwise this will never go away.
incogman.wordpress.com
June 20, 2009 5:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf,
I went to that website you mentioned;
"incogman.wordpress.com"
I suggest everyone here look at that site, it sums up all that you you need to know about his mind.
June 21, 2009 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's a white supremacist website; is anyone on here surprised?!?!?!!?
June 21, 2009 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf is beyond help with this. Lots of idiot wingnuts who carry this banner are beyond any rational understanding and comprehension.
I knew this would happen the moment Obama won, it would unleash a torrent of insanity, conspiracy, and paranoia, the likes of which we have never seen before.
You thought the Clinton nutcases were deranged? They got nothing on the birthers.
Arguing with them is a complete waste of time.
It's like arguing whether or not the moon landings took place; all the evidence is in, yet some people refuse to accept it, instead focusing on their emotionally comforting conclusions.
I hope people like randwulf keep it up. I really do. I want more birthers out there, shrieking like hysterical loonies who talk to parking meters on the city street. I think it's great. It says so much more about them than it does Obama any day.
And I don't even think the birthers actually believe what they purport to believe. They know Obama is a US Citizen.
They just want to make noise, to throw a perpetual temper tantrum like a child who didn't get his way, so he's just going to scream and cry and stamp his feet.
June 20, 2009 5:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, we're not looking for Bigfoot, or The Arc of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail, or the alien bodies from Roswell here. And all the evidence is not "in" as you said. That is the WHOLE FREAKIN PROBLEM! I'll say it again. Show the COMPLETE LONG FORM of Obama's birth certificate. That's it.
We all know where it should be. Some of us even know what one of these things looks like. If he has one, then by all means, let's see it. What is the problem with that? It's not quite done yet? Still in the oven getting that 48 year old patina put to it?
And then you said this: "And I don't even think the birthers actually believe what they purport to believe. They know Obama is a US Citizen."
What ever would we have to base that assumption on? Most Kenyans claim he was born there! So why would you say something this stupid. Of course we don't think he is an American!
And talk about tantrums! The lefties just have conniption fits whenever someone questions the validity of their Obamasiah! Please!
June 20, 2009 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad your mother didn't abort your sorry ass. You are a flaming nutcase just like the rest of you inbred ignorant undereducated idiots.
June 20, 2009 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't you gut yourself with a dull deer antler? My mother didn't see abortion as a means of birth control anyway. She was an adult about such things.
I have a BS in Horticulture, a BA in American History and an MA in European military history. I have no inversion loops in my family tree. When I was a naval officer's candidate (midshipman), I had my IQ ranked at 138 by the US Navy. But, that is just me.
YOU, are apparently just another rude little monkey who likes to fling poo with your dirty little monkey paw fingers. Back to the trees monkey!!
June 20, 2009 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
That IS the scary part; education that doesn't help!
June 20, 2009 9:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm surprised that any of you monkeys can even spell "education". What can you say about anything that matters? OO OO ah ah tuki tuki!!!!!!!
I'm really getting weary of you F@CKS.
June 20, 2009 11:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
And, on the anonymous web, I declare that I am...
KING OF THE WORLD!!!
You know, this "debating" with the birthers is fun, kind of like aiming my laser pointer at the wall and making my cat go crazy.
Oh, BTW RandyWulf, where was that proof I mentioned? You know, if Obama wasn't born in the US, where WAS he born? Kinda dodged that one, didn't you? Where's his Nairobi Daily Times birth announcement? The photocopy on the web of his mother's plane ticket back from the Kenyan maternity ward? Put up or shut up.
June 21, 2009 4:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, the evidence is in. The evidence is good enough for the State of Illinois, the State of Hawaii, the US State Department, the United States Senate, The Federal Election Committee, and now the executive branch of the US government.
But I guess they are ALL part of the conspiracy too?
Your sophomoric accusations don't merit any sort of reasonable response, because you are not going to believe anything I would reply with. It's kind of sad actually.
You have your mind made up and it seems rather unshakable in this matter. That's okay by me.
I lose no sleep at night over people who think the Holocaust never happened, or that the government is staffed by inter-dimensional reptiles. They can believe what they want to believe, however stupid, paranoid, or completely divorced from reality. I always can use a good laugh.
Keep screaming and keep crying. Really. Don't give up the good fight! We're counting on you.
June 20, 2009 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
That is what I'm talking about Dick Stub. Never an actual answer to the question a hand! Only personal attacks on the person asking. It is always the same. There are no such things as supporters of BH Obama. Only followers. It's a god damned cult! No, let's never, ever cloud the issue with facts or the search for them. Let's just attack whoever, whenever we hear someone questions your new "supreme leader"! Long live the Obamasiah!
June 20, 2009 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Duck,
During WWII when our Sherman tanks went up against a German Tiger, it was no contest. The Sherman's gun was too small, 75mm, and the Tiger's armor too thick, so the Sherman shell would just bounce off the Tiger, BOING. In effect, the Tiger was impervious.
Randwulf is just like that Tiger tank, impervious. Impervious to fact, to truth, to reality, BOING. He wallows in a world he created from hours and hours of listening to Limbaugh/Hannity types, and hanging out in right wing chat rooms where, lying, exaggeration, dissembling and rumor mongering rule. No lie, no exaggeration is too outlandish to disbelieve.
Bill Clinton? Yeah, he bombed Pearl Harbor and framed the Japanese!
Barak Obama pushed the iceberg in front of the Titanic! GET THE WORD OUT!
If the Gospel of Wingnuttery told Randwulf the world was flat he would quickly nail his feet to the floor in fear of sliding off.
Yep, impervious, that's Randwoulf. The military should make bullet proof vests out of people like him and send them to Iraq.
June 20, 2009 7:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
What do YOU know about the military or bullet proof vests? Here is a piece of advise for you Stub Dick. Stick to talking (or kvetching)about what you know (if anything fits into that category). You just took a stab at something you know nothing about I'll wager. You don't know me. I'm pretty sure from what I've read today that YOU have never spent A DAY in uniform. So STFU. Why don't you just go on out to HOLLYWOOD and help make some stupid, stereotyped documentaries about the "Right Wing Menace" of something. Tiger tanks... Shermans... sheeeeshh.... whateverrrrrah!
Oh yeah, I am impervious to stupid remarks like yours! BOING!!!
June 20, 2009 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf said (to me),
I enlisted in the Army on Jan 7, 1943, mustered out on Dec 7, 1946, serving one month short of 4 years.
I was with the 82nd when I jumped into Normandy, I made the Holland jump for the "Bridge Too Far",
fought in The Bulge, crossed the Rhine at Cologne,
helped liberate the Woebblin concentration camp at Ludwigslust, Germany, and made it to the Elbe River just after our Divisional Commander Slim Jim Gavin took the surrender of the German 21st Army.
So you see little man, your accusation is just as mindless and empty headed as the rest of your posts.
June 21, 2009 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well you must either be pushing 90 at this point or you just read "Band of Brothers" again. Either way, I find it really astounding that you could have lived on the planet this long and been the places you say and can still be a part of this idiotic assortment of left wingers.
I can assure you that I am not a "little man" as you put it. I spent four years getting a regular commission as a 2nd LT. in the USMC and was subsequently, honorably discharges for injuries I sustained, but I digress..... in my day, communists were the enemy and were shot at, not made Commander in Chief. What did you do? Sleep through the Cold War, or just go over to the other side? Think about it if you are still able. You're old enough to know better. There is no excuse for a octogenarian "leftie"
June 21, 2009 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I like the part about making bullet proof vests out of people like Randwulf. Excellent.
June 21, 2009 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah! That ruled!
June 21, 2009 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf,
Have you ever thought that Barack Obama wanted to send you folks crazy and make you all seem like complete idiots, so he cooked up this hiding his "original" birth certificate 45 years ago, so that you all will get all in a tizzy 2008 at the thought of a Black man being president of the United States? That man is a freakin' genius. He conspired to be president and put all this in motion as a fetus; hey maybe, we should reconsider Roe v Wade.
June 20, 2009 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
THAT'S IT!! ALRIGHT! YOU PEOPLE WIN. YOU ARE ALL TGDFSTL (to god damned f@cking stupid to live) and there is absolutely no reason to even try to talk to any of you any more but what the hell. I'll just have to "get used to it"! So yeah! THE GREAT OBAMASIAH can do no wrong because HE is BLACK! OK? There. I said it. I agree with you. If we must have an anti-Christ, I am at least relieved that we can have one from some oppressed minority group. That way, it's not so..... well.... oppressive. You are all right. I'm wrong. I'm a racist for even doubting HIM for one moment or even disagreeing with any one thing HE has ever said. I'm evil!! I deserve to die!! I'm guilty!!!!
I need to seek professional help. Oh, poor me. I'm soooooo twisted. Thanks for your concern. You have all helped me to see myself in a new light. If HE weren't BLACK, you would be all over HIM for any number of mistakes HE has made but since HE is in fact BLACK, HE could be devouring your children and you would all be O.K. with it so, FINE. WTF. You grew it. You chew it. Just mark my words. Now, I must go and feed my dogs and talk to them so that I can at least go to bed knowing that I have had at least a little bit of intelligent communication today with at least one species that has some hope for a future.
HAVE A GREAT DUSK OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
June 20, 2009 11:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jeez, what a drama queen.
June 21, 2009 1:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Randwulf,
I have issues with Obama, but unlike you, my problems with him are substantive, not empty and irrational.
I have problems with how he is carrying on many of Bush's ideas regarding the imperial presidency, secrecy, and the 'war on terror', how he has lightened up on his support for gays, and his unwillingness to stand up to the right wing even on issues where the vast majority of the public disagrees with them, and his unwillingness to investigate the controversies of the Buush/Cheney years.
You, on the other hand, have presented nothing of substance regarding Obama, nothing on the economy, on health care, on foreign affairs, all you have is this mindless birth certificate nonsense.
The best I can say about you is that you're a typical right winger, vacuous.
June 21, 2009 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink