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Hagan Continues To Be Key Obstacle To Public Option In The Senate
If you want to know why the Senate HELP Committee--the more liberal of the two Senate committees with jurisdiction over health reform--hasn't been able to unveil a public option, you need look no further than freshman Kay Hagan (D-NC).
Her opposition was revealed last week, but now, she's speaking publicly about it.
This might not be a huge problem for supporters of the provision, but it becomes one because, with a narrow Democratic majority on the committee and its chairman, Ted Kennedy, in poor health, her vote is crucial to moving the bill forward--something the panel's been working toward for days now without success.
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Anyone know who her contributers are?
June 26, 2009 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, we are (via Act Blue)
http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/412324_kay_hagan
June 26, 2009 10:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Someone needs to get the point across "You obstruct a public option, you will not be a Senator after your next election campaign."
June 26, 2009 3:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hope this makes sense.
Hagen (after reading her comments) seems to support public option, only she just doesn't realize it yet. A modicum of heat will bring her around.
June 26, 2009 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
jonnie is using a gop talking point of using the fear of people losing their health care coverage while keeping the private insures as the only option.
June 26, 2009 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've done nothing of the sort.
June 26, 2009 11:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
sorry.. I meant kay is using thise talking points...my apologies no offense meant!
June 26, 2009 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
So call her 1.800.828.0498...tell her 2010 could be an end of the line career move if she maintains this stance against the will of the American people..76% want a public option!
June 28, 2009 11:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I did call her. I thought I wrote about it on this blog, but it must have been somewhere else. The "chippy" I spoke to said that only 40% of North Carolinians want the public option. I gave her an earful at that point, explaining that more people outside of NC had contributed to her campaign and that unless she only wants one term she really should do the right thing for everyone because Progressives have had enough. At that point the line went dead.
Then I called Baucus and got a recording, but I left essentially the same message, with a few words thrown in about his disgraceful behavior to Single-Payer advocates.
June 28, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I checked w/ her offices in Washington and Raliegh last week and they denied her opposition to the public option and would only tell me that she was studying the issue. When I asked about her taking PAC and lobbyists contributions from the health care industry, they used deception to tell me that they are unaware of any campaign contributuins from them. She has accpeted a ton of their money. I told them that I was a contributor to her Senate campaign and worked for her election but if she does not support the public option or votes for a bill without a public option I will worked as hard as I can to defeat her next time around. At that time her office looked me up in the computer and knew who I was and where I lived. She is a real problem here and she needs to be flooded with calls and told she is against the middle class and is going to face major opposition to her re-election. What a fucking disappointment. Tomoorow I am speaking at our health care reform rally in Asheville and I will be sure to educate everyone of her stand of a corporate whore for the health care industry.
June 26, 2009 10:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with Dems like Hagan - they took our money and get to be asses - For the next 6 Years!
So they tell us Oops - Ha Ha.
Yes, she must be Shamed in Public. Local Letters to the Editor and Editorials.
Get writing people!!!
June 26, 2009 10:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
considering that her election was only guaranteed because 2008 was such a horrible year for republicans, she should be grateful and listening to all of the people who voted for her (including myself). it really takes some chutzpah for her to be such a serious stick in the mud after being handed a victory so easily - and being a freshman!
June 26, 2009 3:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hate to break it to you, but asking for a Congress member's position by calling their offices is a waste of time. Politicians keep all that info close to the vest, because uncertainty about their stance is the only chip they have to play in the lousy world of Beltway Poker.
June 27, 2009 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Thanks brian...this is the type of article we need for all of these democonservs who are opposing the public option for health care reform. Just follow the money brian...then we can figure out where the votes are!
June 26, 2009 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess they include Blue Cross-Blue Shield of NC, the "non-profit" entity with a bloated executive compensation structure and that spends 20% of its income on marketing tha controls the market in North Carolina. They've already said their going to spend a bunch of my premium dollars fighting health reform.
Hagan's now officially on my "Dead to Me" list. I knew she'd be a Blue Dog but figured she'd be better than Bush's lap-poodle Liddy Dole. But this is beyond the pale.
Since the fifties, North Carolina has had a habit of turning out Senators who aren't named "Helms" after a single term. This fact seems to turn their brains into shit (in much the same way that the slightest bit of precipitation of any kind turns the average North Carolina motorist's brains into shit). It causes them to panic and do stupid things to try to hang on to their seat that, in fact, only causes them to lose them.
The problem is that they look to Helms' success for lessons rather than drawing lessons from what caused all the other incumbents to lose. The lesson they draw from Helms tenure is that only money, the dirtier the better and lots of it, can get you reelected. The lesson they should be drawing from the losers is that pissing off the voters to amass your warchest is what gets your ass kicked out of D.C. (North Carolina voters have the memories of inveterate feudists.)
I hope she gets primaried but most likely, she'll end up flipping the seat.
June 26, 2009 10:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shame Hagan into supporting the public option by putting your name on a TV ad: www.WeWantThePublicOption.com
June 26, 2009 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
dead link
June 26, 2009 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
fer cryin out loud, just cut and paste -- or... type. It's not like the URL is a secret.
June 28, 2009 2:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
There was no despair in my comment, it was purely informational.
Having live links is useful to those of us who are physically challenged.
June 28, 2009 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd also suggest putting pressure on the entire party in your state. One of the ways the weasels work is to pass the buck around claiming purity for themselves on issues like.
Do what I did when the state party called me last night. I said universal healthcare is my issue and the party is not getting one cent from me until Senator Klobuchar delivers on universal healthcare. Pressure needs to be put on other party members and other levels of the party to let them know that we are holding the entire Democratic Party accountable on this issue and they can't get off the hook by blaming a handful of supposedly "safe" senators and claiming that their hands are tied.
Put pressure on your own Senator to put pressure on the holdouts. Call your Senator and ask you Senator to put pressure on Senator Hagan.
June 26, 2009 11:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
For what it's worth, here in my county the party is sending out e-mails telling folks to contact Hagan "and let her know your position on this issue, wherever you stand." It's a safe bet that almost everyone on that list either wants a public option or single-payer. So in some places the Democratic Party is also applying pressure.
June 29, 2009 1:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rockefeller deserves a HUGE attaboy for this:
http://sundaygazettemail.com/News/200906250731
"There is a very small chance any Republicans will vote for this health-care plan. They were against Medicare and Medicaid [created in the 1960s]. They voted against children's health insurance.
"We have a moral choice. This is a classic case of the good guys versus the bad guys. I know it is not political for me to say that," Rockefeller added.
"But do you want to be non-partisan and get nothing? Or do you want to be partisan and end up with a good health- care plan? That is the choice."
June 26, 2009 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Listen to this: Hagan. Junior Senator.
Now match those three words with all the hype we've heard about Rham Emmanuel, being oh so tough, with balls that clang and all that nonsense. Why can't he, if he is so feared, keep these freelancing Dems in line, especially a Junior senator, for chrissakes? My God, from time to time, I feel we need a Tom De Lay to get the simplest things done. Like Bill Maher and now Krugman said, WE are all hoping for more audacity in this administration. Less weakness.
June 26, 2009 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. The vote isn't for months.
2. Hagen isn't up for reelection until 2014. What do you suggest Rahm use to get her to vote our way?
June 26, 2009 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
With Obama, everything and anything LBJ used to do to get folks in line when he was majority leader in the Senate and when he was president. Skill and brutality, as Robert Caro wrote about LBJ.
I think Administration needs to read Caro's MASTER OF THE SENATE. LBJ dang near single-handedly got civil rights passed 1957 in the teeth of enormous Senate opposition - are the Dems so much weaker in commitment now of other historical initiatives?
June 26, 2009 4:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
LBJ had the leverage of the Kennedy assassination to work with. Civil Rights were seen as part of the deceased President's legacy.
June 26, 2009 11:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
BillMcD:
I think you missed "Thucydides Junior's" point. In 1957 LBJ wasn't in the White House, he was Senate Majority leader.
And "Junior" is correct that "Master of the Senate" is a GREAT book and perfectly titled. Over 1,000 pages and hard to put down. Robert Caro's 4th and final on LBJ has been promised for quite a while and I'm desperate to read the details of how LBJ ramrodded the 1964 Civil Rights Act into law. Can you imagine trying to ram that bill into law when you had to face Senators Russell, Long, Eastland, Stennis, Robertson, Talmadge, McClellan, etc? Whew!
"LBJ had the leverage of the Kennedy assassination to work with. Civil Rights were seen as part of the deceased President's legacy."
June 27, 2009 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Send her to Buenos Aries, and tell everyone she's gone hiking on the Appalachian trail for a few days ...
June 26, 2009 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you confuse the dynamics of the House (which Nancy runs pretty damn well) with those of the House of Lor...er...Senate. Senators are much more difficult to persuade.
Of course, money does the trick. Anyone know if she any pet projects that are need of funding?
June 26, 2009 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who says Rahm wants a public option? He and his brother, Zeke are in cahoots to shoot it down, in my opinion! Zeke's idea is to get rid of Medicaid and Medicare, turn EVERYTHING over to the insurance industry and the government would compensate the industry for having to cover, um, actual sick people.
June 28, 2009 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just called her Raleigh office and got the "The committee is reviewing the options" line. Made Sure they knew I was a NC voter that would not support her if she came out against a public option.
If her playing the fence on this gets NC a bigger chunk of the budget next year, then I don't mind her being coy. But if she ends up putting Blue Cross Blue Shield NC's interests above mine, I won't just be voting for someone else, I'll be giving them $2k.
June 26, 2009 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Kay Hagan votes against the public option ... "There is no God!"
June 26, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
If vote for a public option, there is still no god. :P
June 26, 2009 1:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dani, that's a spoof of the Republican TV ad by scumbag Libby Dole where a woman's voice, supposedly Kagan's says, "There is no God." The ad was widely panned by Kagan's supporters and the national media who showered Dole with vitriol after the failed religious attack.
June 26, 2009 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats don't win elections in NC without HUGE support from the black community, especially primaries. Hagan is from Greensboro and she knows who has put her and kept her in office.
Obama needs to remind her that if he supports someone against her, she's toast.
June 26, 2009 1:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
So now Hagan's got HER government-paid health care for life, and she wants to make sure no one else gets it. Ain't democracy grand?
June 26, 2009 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you know that once they're in, the keep the insurance for life? I've been trying to find a place to get that info but so far no luck. Is it true?
BTW, I just read that the bill that has Kennedy's name on it specifically excludes all Federal workers and Congress, etc! Why? Because they already have the best deal there is!
I think we should do a little Republican-like labeling here:
FORGET SINGLE-PAYER
FORGT PUBLIC OPTION
We all want one thing:
THE CONGRESSIONAL OPTION!
If it's good enough for them (we subsidize it mightily) it should be good enough for the rest of us, no?
June 28, 2009 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have to admit I can't find proof of that, either -- it's something I've heard so many times I believe it, but maybe I shouldn't.
Still I like your idea of relabeling the public option the "congressional option"!
June 29, 2009 1:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
No surprise, top corporate contributors of Kagan's are American Health Care Assn, American Society of Anesthesiologists, and GlaxoSmithKline.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?type=P&cid=N00029617&newMem=N&cycle=2010
June 26, 2009 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hagan is taking the same position that Elizabeth Dole would have taken had she won the seat back.
June 26, 2009 2:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good point. But I'm glad Liddy's sorry ass is out. Next: Hagan!
June 28, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
A lot of folks upset in this blue dot town. Here's the editorial we published in The Carrboro Citizen
http://www.carrborocitizen.com/main/2009/06/25/hagans-challenge/
June 26, 2009 4:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
What kind of pressure is Harry "Small Balls" Reid putting on her? Kick her off the G-D Committee ASAP. Give her a broom closet office. Do WHATEVER needs to be done, Small Balls.
June 26, 2009 4:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Time to get to work to make sure she isn't in the senate after her next election.
June 26, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the Democrats cannot, at the very least, deliver a public "option" for health care (having betrayed us on single-payer from the get-go), then it's time for progressive Democrats to exercise the "Independent" option: changing our voter registration from "Democrat" to "Independent" or "Decline to State." I for one have already informed my Congressman and Senators that I will no longer consider myself a Democrat if my party fails to use its majorities in both houses to ensure the secure health care future that 3/4 of Americans want, and that all Americans need.
Note to ActBlue: Please tell Kay Hagan we want our donations back!
June 26, 2009 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Remember when Liddy Dole smeared her and we all went crazy and helped nuke Dole back to whatever circle of hell she was born in?
Well, I say Hagan comes up with the goods now.
PAYBACK, BITCH.
June 26, 2009 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would just like to apologize for my angry bearness earlier.
SHE'S STILL A BITCH, THOUGH, AND GERRRRRRRR!!!!
MAN O MAN I'M AN ANGRY BEAR
June 26, 2009 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have heard rumors and mind you that they are only rumors. I would never think of saying anything that could tarnish the shining examples the democrats have been. I heard talk about a lovelorn Max Baucus and Kay Hagen and a love bungalow in Argentina.
Come on democrats, stay classy.
June 26, 2009 7:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
She probably has someone reasonably close working for health care or insurance industry. Close relation-wise or money-wise. This just needs to be investigated more thoroughly.
June 27, 2009 2:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm considering ending my association with ActBlue.
I donated to her campaign because I thought, "what could possibly be worse they Libby Dole."
Remember that crap about "bearing false witness" when Dole tried to say that she was associated with "atheists" (or was it a satanic cult, I can't remember)?
If Kay Hagen votes against the public option, her association with insurance/private healthcare industry will be fair game.
And for now, NO MORE DONATIONS TO RED STATE DEMOCRATS unless they PROVE they can ACT BLUE.
June 27, 2009 4:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
wise up, guys. she will not need her senate seat next time around, because all those big health firms she helped with her Anti- votes will be happy to offer her high-paying jobs!
that's how it works in Washington.
you scratch their back, they scratch yours.
when senators leave office, they know how to cash in.
by the time 2014 rolls around, she will not need this low-paying senate job. big corporations will pay her big bucks, pay-back time.
i can see it coming.
June 27, 2009 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Time for the "Leaning Nay" Dem Senators to
be loudly outed and forced to explain themselves.
Anyone have a list of wafflers that we can help persuade? Feet to the fire time.
June 27, 2009 1:34 PM | Reply | Permalink