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Hoffa: Sorkin and Morning Joe Show Complete Failure To Understand

New York Times reporter Andrew Ross Sorkin went on MSNBC this morning and set off the entire labor movement.

"Name a successful unionized company. Think. You're going to go to [commercial] break before you come up with one. And that's the problem," he said before a room full of unionized NBC employees.

Unions are aghast. "Sorkin and the Morning Joe crew just showed their complete failure to understand how unions contribute to the success of the American economy by blindly assuming that unionized companies haven't been profitable in the last year," said James Hoffa, General President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, in a statement to TPMDC.

Off the top of my head I can give you several Teamster-represented companies who continue to thrive, despite the economic downturn, but there are thousands more: UPS, Eight O'Clock Coffee, Coca-Cola Enterprises, PepsiCo, Anheuser-Busch and MillerCoors. The Morning Joe team really should be embarrassed for showing their lack of knowledge on the subject.

And that's just on the record.

Off the record, an irritated union organizer told me to "ask [Sorkin] if he's received any packages from UPS in the past five years or so, or flown on Southwestern Airlines during that time?

And is he aware that, in using those companies, like millions of others, he was a customer of two of the most innovative and successful unionized companies in the world? You could ask him how the American supermarket industries survives, given that it's about 80% unionized? You could ask him how the rest of the advanced capitalist world manages to compete with the U.S. given that the unionization rate in every advanced capitalist country in the world is greater, often far greater than ours---and that that is reflected in their unionization density of their respective transnational corporations.

I've placed a call to Sorkin for comment, and will let you know if and how he responds.

Late update: You can read Sorkin's apology here.


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He won't respond, becuase you caught this self-important novice looking like a complete ignorant.

The NYT is slipping if this guy is one of their top reporters.

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NYT has been slipping for quite sometime. (The run up to the Iraq war comes to mind as a prominent example, but there are others.)

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Okay, guys, let's think this through. Just in terms of trying to predict how they'll respond, are there any reasons anyone can think of that the NYTimes management might be pleased with and protective of an employee who espoused anti-union views and very defensive about any backlash over this comment?

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Hah!

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They should be embarassed. Acting like experts who have NO IDEA what they are talking about!

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What a moron!

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Does anyone realize that Sorkin is barely 30 years old(31 to be exact). The fool is giving young people a bad name.

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Give Sorkin a break! It's not like he's a business reporter at the NY Times.

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Well-bowled, sir.

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"Name a successful unionized company. Think. You're going to go to [commercial] break before you come up with one. And that's the problem," he said before a room full of unionized NBC employees.

Lovely description, Brian.

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But does NBC count as a successful company?

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Reminds me of that NY Times commercial: "The best reporters in the world work at the Times. And there's no debating that!"

If you want to know why the traditional media is doomed, look no further than Sorkin. Because right now, mainstream print journalism is dominated by rich kids. The days of the 'working class/middle class, beat reporter' are gone.

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You guys (not just Connor) are about as unfair as your target.

"If you want to know why the traditional media is doomed, look no further than Sorkin. Because right now, mainstream print journalism is dominated by rich kids. The days of the 'working class/middle class, beat reporter' are gone."

As a retired journalist, I can guarantee you that most newspaper jobs are so poorly paid that you have to be a "rich kid" to work there, or try to live on the love of your work. You're willing to throw the mud, but you have no idea what the difficulties of the job are. Sure, reporters make mistakes; I suppose you never made one on whatever job you might be slogging away at.

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Sorkin is one of the least impressive "journalists" that currently writes for a major media outlet, and that's saying a lot.

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"Name a successful unionized company. Think. You're going to go to [commercial] break before you come up with one. And that's the problem,"


he's right. that IS the problem. of course, he imagines that the the morning joe dumbasses' inability to name successful unionized companies is proof (or at least evidence) of something other than how little those twits know about the subject. and THAT is the problem with the conversation about organized labor in this country - the conversation is being led by morons like scaborough and sorkin.

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i dont think anyone can ever be surprised at what these two ass wipes say.

but why isnt there anyone with any integrity to step forward and call them on it?


and will there EVER be anything as lame as mika, to ever pretend to be part of the media.

and cant you just hear the laughter from the unemployed trailor parks at the thought that unions cost them their dream?

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The question of "give me a successful company that's unionized" is not the point. The point is that unless you work 16 hours a day, and your children work, and you don't get vacations or sick time off, and can get fired for no reason, and you don't have health insurance through your job, etc. etc. etc. YOU benefitted from unions. For the rest of America and most of the world there have been tremendous workplace benefits and laws that came into being because of unions and union actions. Which, and I'm sure the Moron Joe group does not get, actually involved people dying and being injured fighting for those rights. It's the history of labor action in this country and around the world that allow pipsqueaks like him, who probably had grandparents that educated his parents and himself with money they made in union jobs, to make ignorant lazy populist comments like this. I get really angry when issues are framed by cynical Fox and MSNBC phonies who then dupe most people into believing unions are all bad and greedy while they sit at their desk at work two hours before they get to go home instead of working until midnight and saying" tut, tut--unions."

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GIve em hell eve!!!

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You are so right! I've often wondered why labor hasn't run campaigns educating & reminding people of just how the "invisible hand" rolled before unions. And not just the usual workplace disasters and cold-blooded murders of men, woman and children, but the truly uplifting and largely untold stories, like those of the Pullman Porters. Unions really need to supply the forgotten context for the people that so willingly buy into the $70 per hour myth.

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Nicely put, Eve!

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Eve, I was just going off on a tangent about this last night, talking to my dad about GM.

It really pisses me off how people want to shit all over unions, like they caused all the problems for companies who would have been fine without them. It have worked alongside the UAW and Teamster unions, and that is not the case.

Anybody who bashes a union member, or a union should have to work 16 hour days, 7 days a week with no time off, ever. No health benefits, and no safety measures.

Union members literally fought for an 8 hour day, weekends, health insurance, overtime, workplace safety, and a bunch of other things everybody takes for granted. It pisses me off so bad when people dump on the hand that feeds them. Unions elevated wages and benefits for everybody else.

I used to look at the bridge in Front of the Dearborn Truck Plant where there was a huge brawl/riot as the UAW pushed to organize Ford, and they had to duke it out with the companies thugs to even cross the bridge. It was a great reminder that nothing good is cheap.

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So New York Times. Maybe if their reporters got their heads out of their buts, they'd be doing better.

This is not ideology, it's bad reporting.

Judith Miller and Andrew Ross Sorkin, both lousy reporters.

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Morning Joe belongs on FOX News. From that context everything that happens on that show makes sense including Mika...'nuff said.

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That's true. MSNBC is doing their best to train him until that day arrives.

As for Mika, I think her problem is that she doesn't have a mind of her own.

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Well, we might consider Cornell successful and unionized - except Sorkin went there!

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Is there a port in this country that isn't represented by National Maritime Union?

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Plenty. A lot of them are ILWU!

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The really sad part of this is that instead of admitting that the need to fill up air space they said something that was bone headed, the crew will chalk this up as the left wing blogosphere gone wild!!! I am not a big fan of unions and I do think that in the past they have overstepped the bounds of common sense but as I was watching this this morning I was just blown away by the sheer lack of any kind of balance on the part of the people sitting around that table. It reminded me of the time Jon Stewart went on to Crossfire....they should all know that they are influencers and if they are not going to take their roles seriously they should get off the air!!

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I saw this much to my chagrin. And there was that Barnacle, nodding to the demise of decent wages, decent treatment of workers and decent respect for the American.

I cannot believe my eyes and ears when I hear this trash.

The only way our country can succeed is if we pay our workers seven bucks an hour with no benefits and with tens of millions of dollars going to the upper eschelon?

What in the hell is the matter with these people?

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Well, Barnacle did have that little problem about plagiarism while at the Globe. . .

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Anyone know if Joe or Mika happen to be AFTRA?

Because that would be seriously, seriously, funny.

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According to this .pdf from AFTRA, Mika Brzezinski is indeed a member.

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I couldn't use the search function on that .pdf - the relevant part is on page 3, paragraph 4.

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Was Sorkin speaking in his role of a reporter or his other role as a columnist? How is the public supposed to know which hat he is wearing?

The Times cannot continue the practice of allowing reporters to be columnists. It gives Sorkin a free pass to spout his ignorance and the Times an excuse to not hold him responsible for his actions.

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Good point.

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Best thing would have been for every cameraman, grip and lighting tech to immediately stop what they were doing, even if it meant that the show went dark for a few minutes.

Then you hear a voice from the darkness: "Mr. Sorkin, you realize where you are now, right?"

What an idiot. I'd have seen it live, but I gave up that hack-fest months ago.

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Yeah, "ignorance." Yeah, that's the ticket.

Union bashing? Oh, heavens no. The poor guy just happened to get his facts wrong, is all.

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Plus, I saw this guy on "Real Time with Bill Maher", and he could not have been more of a sanctimonious prick. I feel like I knew a ton of guys like this in college.

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Remind me again why I'm supposed to be full of worry and angst over the demise of newspapers?

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Scarborough comes from the part of the GOP that styles itself as the defender of Joe Six-Pack and Joe the Plumber and all the other "real" Americans. Oops! That wouldn't all just be posturing, would it? Out of touch, are you, Joe?

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Southwest Airlines.

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In the category of "Ignorance," there's a special place for "Smug, Glib and Sanctimonious Ignorance."

Get rid of the sophomores, Bill Keller, and hire someone who knows what he's talking about.

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Isn't this line of reasoning more of an intentional distraction from the obvious: company management is never unionized. Most company failures are likely due to management failures, not high labor costs. By blaming company failures on unions, capitalists get to escape any responsibility.

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With America at the current peak of robber baron inequality in incomes, with the super rich getting super richer, and the poor getting desperate, you have these overpaid hacks poo pooing that some little guy might get a living wage or healthcare for his family. If you wonder how this country has driven itself into the ditch, this moment of TV "journalism" is about all you need to know. I am surprised all the union workers in that studio did not get pissed off enough to at least flicker the lights and remind the assholes flapping their tongues for millions that real people still exist.

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It might be worth noting that Joe as well as all other talking heads are members of AFTRA but they don't let that stop them from slamming other union members.

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Sorkin has to be a relative of someone working high up or be a friend of same to get hired. Nobody that uninformed about a topic should be discussing it as an "expert." People like him are full of sh!t.

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This has got to be driving the production staff at Faux News into a psychotic event.
The desire to gore MSNBC's Ox vs. having to give unions ANY creds must have them gnawing on their own livers.

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Morning Joe? that idiot, everyone voted for him to have that show because they couldnt stand watching him on msnbc during the day,,,, He is a complete idiot and a republican to the core,,,If it wasnt for a union he wouldnt have a job that paid anything because hes not smart enough to have come this far by himself,,,All these people who this this labor problem with the mexicans is cute will soon find out just how much unions have inadvertantly caused their wages to go up, Big business and their poverty level wages dont want you to have any money,,,, their thinking is ridiculous but then again they arent worried about the USA, the want to rape our recources and sell to other countries, not this one, Morning JOE,,, shut the lite off, youll never ever replace IMUS,

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