MoveOn To Target Hagan For Opposing The Public Option
Just in from MoveOn: ""Given recent comments showing that Senator Hagan is not supporting the public health insurance option, MoveOn.org will be making clear that our 115,000 members in North Carolina--many of whom volunteered for or donated to her campaign last year--believe the public option is the heart of true health care reform. We'll run ads in North Carolina and D.C. asking that she advocate for the public option and support the President in truly solving the nation's health care crisis."
The group did much the same earlier this week to Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) who has expressed doubts about the feasibility of both the public option and reform in general. The difference--or one of the differences--is that Hagan owes much of her electoral success to grassroots Democrats.


















I've been known to decry Move On for engaging in counterproductive posturing whose sole effect is to enthuse their membership while annoying the people who they really need to be moving, but in this case, I'm going to have to give 'em a hearty "Hell yeah!" She's supposed to be a real Democrat, as opposed to a convert, but she's now to the right of Arlen frikkin Spector, for God's sake.
June 26, 2009 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
My thoughts exactly.
Also, why aren't they or anyone else going after Lieberman the bipartisan do-nothing? He's another who's come out against the public option in favor of "getting something passed."
Doesn't he owe OBAMA a favor more than his wife Hadassah?
"Hadassah Lieberman joined the Hill & Knowlton public relations firm in March 2005. "The legendary lobbying and PR firm hired her as a 'senior counselor' in its 'health and pharmaceuticals practice'," Joe Conason wrote July 12, 2006, in Truthdig, marking her "return to consulting after more than a decade of retirement."
June 26, 2009 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hagan's number in Washington DC is 202.224-6342.
MaxBaucus # is 202.224-2651
Keep calling this mf'ers and let them know how you feel. I always ask why they don't think the people who elected them to office shouldn't be entitled to at least the same kind of health plan they enjoy.
What pisses me off is I sent this bitch money for her campaign and I live in California thinking that when we got these fuckers elected, they would be there for us.
No more money from me until they all step up to the plate
June 26, 2009 2:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good. Put some pressure on the Senator, who evidently has forgotten that she's supposed to represent the voters, not the health care industry.
June 26, 2009 1:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
If it comes down to it, make every senator who opposes a public option filibuster for as long as they want so that the voters, who overwhelmingly support a public option, can see where their elected representatives stand on this critical issue.
June 26, 2009 1:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Rather than educate her constituents on the benefits of single payer or the Government option, Kay Hagan chose the line of least resistance, pander to the brain dead in North Carolina.
Good for MoveOn.
June 26, 2009 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
She's probably getting lots of pressure from Blue Cross/Blue Shield which is based in that state. I think the most effective strategy would be to convince her that the nation as a whole is in support of the public option versus her constituents in North Carolina.
June 26, 2009 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
As a side note, I really think Sec. Gates was spot on when he noted how Congress tends to think about their "parochial" interests versus the nation as a whole. I'm really tired of how Congress thinks this way.
June 26, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
For what it's worth, Big Health is Big Business in general in North Carolina. Besides BCBSNC, we've got UNC-CH, Duke and Wake's med centers, a lot of doctor combines like Novant, and a major Big Pharma presences. Glaxo-SmithKline has a big facility in Research Triangle Park, RJR has a biotech spinoff, the state's making a big play to become a biotech center and there are a lot of smaller businesses that provide services to the pharmaceutical producers.
Durham, formerly the city of Bull Durham and Duke Tobacco now bills itself "The City of Medicine."
She was in the General Assembly for a long time and she's got a lot of very important people (who control a lot of very important campaign money) telling her that a public option will be a veritable apocolypse for an industry that's one the state's rare economic bright spots.
Still, I didn't vote for her so she could be the Senator from Blue Cross-Blue Shield of North Carolina, dammit.
June 26, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
One thing about all the medical institutions in NC is that those run by doctors, by and large, favor a public option. I have a classmate who is a doctor in NC who has been active in a physicians' group that has been pushing for single payer for a long time now. A lot of doctor's, especially those who don't get paid depending on the amount of money they bring in, would really like single payer so they don't spend all their time fighting with the damn insurance companies.
June 26, 2009 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why not take a page from the right wing's book with Specter and have everyone who donated to Hagan ask for their money back if she can't support those issues that are most important to them. I'd venture that 75% of donees from the blogosphere (which donated significant amounts of money to her election campaign) would not have done so given her "new" position in support of the lobbyists and insurance industry.
June 26, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I was one of them. I want my money back.
Her phone number is 202-2246342
Baucus is 202-224-2651
June 26, 2009 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
I called her office and was told that only 40% of North Carolinians want the public option. I'm from VA so I could only threaten generically losing votes. \\\\
Step up to the plate Progressives of North Carolina! Do it NOW!!!!
Call, call, call! I got a human (well, almost) when I called.
June 26, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm very curious to know the basis for her office's claim that only 40% of the state favors a public option, because Teh Googlz hasn't up anything one way or the other on that.
June 27, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't argue that point because I didn't have it in front of me. I told the person that Progressives all over had helped her get elected and if she thought she could stay in office without them she was wrong. That was all I could think of based on comments here. But the whole thing pisses me off. Is she a Democrat or NOT?
June 27, 2009 7:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Apparently the only road to getting even nominally good health care legislation passed is to go after the opposing senators, one by one, until enough decide to vote for it. That is a big job, and I'm certainly glad MoveOn is working on it. We still haven't moved Feinstein to change her position, and I doubt that we can ever do that. She is very much a closet conservative on most issues, but especially on issues where she perceives that some businessman may lose a dollar.
I remain disgusted that we are putting forth all of this effort, and it isn't for true single payer health care. The public option can eventually lead to a good single payer system, but only after several years. And, even that doesn't get wholehearted support from democrats, in spite of that fact that almost 3/4 of the public wants it.
Do we have to have another Kent State type massacre to get these cretins to move?
June 26, 2009 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hell yes..MoveOn and you will recieve my donation. Keep the heat of this JR.Senator from my state who is in the bag w/ PAC and lobbyist money.
June 26, 2009 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
it doesnt take very much intelligence to realize what the public option is and means to health care reform.
anyone opposing it does so because they are corrupt.
when will the people even here, realize the government that works for the people is owned by the wealthy?
June 26, 2009 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Those ActBlue contributions are rather large. Obviously she got a hell of a lot of other money, since $1.6M doesn't alone fund a campaign. But her big money was Ideological/Single-Issue (which likely ties into Anti-GOP) and ActBlue.
If we can't keep people like Hagan that *we* elect inline with our goals, it's just a waste of time. I'm in SoCal and some of my campaign contributions in this last cycle went into Hagan's warchest to get rid of Dole and give us another Dem in the Senate.
John
June 26, 2009 2:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, MoveOn, you are on top of my list again! Thank you!
June 26, 2009 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Idea: Resurrect the commercial that did Liddy Dole in:
Voice-over: Kay, without your vote on the public option, there IS no re-election!!!
June 26, 2009 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Memo to American Public,The Corporations decide your legislation not you or your congress people.No major change will come unless we all start assembling in the streets.Just take a look @ the outsourcing of your jobs:there is no benefit to you.
June 26, 2009 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
There was a rally in DC yesterday on health care. Thousands showed up and not a mention in any of the major newspapers and none on the stupid MSM.
Unless millions of us protest in the streets, nothing will get done. How do we organize such a thing?
Perhaps Mov-On.org
June 26, 2009 2:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
How did this bitch - a first time U.S. Senator get appointed to the health care committee. Same goes for Baucus - what is a conservadem doing on the powerful Finance Committe.
Are these people nuts? Or better question is are we nuts??
June 26, 2009 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is an old, tasteless joke with the punchline: "I just talked to the doctor, and he said you gonna die!" That's Hagan's message to America, and it ain't no joke.
June 26, 2009 2:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually the whole joke was hysterical. It is one of my favorites especially if told right.
June 26, 2009 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
The entire party must be held accountable. Call your Senator and ask your Senator to call Senators Hagan, Feinstein, etc. Hold your Senator accountable for getting the votes. Hold your Congressman accountable. Hold your state party accountable. Let them all know that you hold the majority party responsibile for passing a healthcare bill that provides for universal heathcare for all the American people.
June 26, 2009 3:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I am whopping mad today as you can see.
Bitch Feinstein has her phone set to an automatic voice which lets you hold but disconnects you if you hold longer than two minutes.
In other words, she's not accepting calls. I suggest bombarding her San Francisco Office and other offices with calls
June 26, 2009 3:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
Plus, Kay Hagan being a freshman and presumably interested in a second term ought to give us leverage in a way that we don't seem to have with Feinstein.
Well, I hope, anyway.
June 26, 2009 3:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Outstanding. I just donated to MoveOn--something I haven't done in a while.
It wasn't much, but every bit helps. Senator Hagan, here we come.
June 26, 2009 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
She LITERALLY would not be a Senator if it wasn't for us. The message should be clear, you obstruct, you won't be a Senator after your next election.
June 26, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Her phone people are very polite and receptive and appear not to have heard about the moveon ads. Refer to this post. They don't know what this site or DailyKos is! They don't even seem to know what Act Blue is!!
202-224-6342
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June 26, 2009 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
NC is one of only 7 states that doesn't allow generics for Medicare. They say "we get a lot of money for Research Triangle Park from the drug companies and have to be nice to them."
Crystal clear why Hagan is being a turdblossom on this!
June 26, 2009 4:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see your point.
Senator Hagan may need to decide whose payroll she'd rather be on--theirs or ours. As a freshman, this is a perfect time for her to understand that we're not going to let her have it both ways, not on such an important issue.
June 26, 2009 4:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
What leverage do progressives have here?
It seems to me garnering the ire of left-leaning activists and MoveOn.org will strengthen Hagan politically.
She'll be running for re-elect in 2014, the midterm of BHO's second term--likely to be tough for a democrats in general and southerners in particular. She'll use a feud with MoveOn in her own commercials!
I'm just saying, that as a Dem in NC, who will have plenty of opportunity to raise cash among established interests as an incumbent, political attacks from the left are a feature and not a bug for her career.
Not sayin' it's right; just sayin' that's the way it is.
June 26, 2009 4:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
So what's the point of her being a Democrat if she is unwilling to represent Democrats? Let's defeat these people. They don't help pass any significant legislation and they don't prevent passing horrible legislation. They enable the warriors while they let Americans die without healthcare. Who needs them!
As to that's the way it is, we were lead to believe we were going to change the way it is not reinforce the way it is.
June 26, 2009 4:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, if you think the seat should go to some mediocre douchebag republican to make a point, then of course, you're right.
It is easy as pie to be a maximalist when you are at a keyboard or raising money in emotional appeals.
There's a lot of passion and fervor around here. I'm just not detecting much political savvy or nuance vis-a-vis the real world where we have to actually get things done.
And, BTW, under no circumstances will Americans get the same care as members of congress--something I've seen alluded to around here a lot--whether we have single-payer or no reform at all. So, people are going to die as a result of healthcare rationing in any health system.
At least with single payer, you would have those decisions made by the political process instead of a cash process. So, even though it goes against my own natural inclination, I believe SP may be the way to go. But it won't happen quickly or easily.
IMO, replacing a neutral player with an opponent does not strike me as a step in the right direction.
Finally,It seems to me to be a distinct disadvantage in these discussions to have lived long enough and been to enough places in the world to understand that there are no panaceas.
June 26, 2009 5:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
I just called Hagan's office. I asked what she is going to do. They said she is still "reviewing it." I told her that the majority of people want the public option and that all progressives worked to get her elected.
Do you know what this phone answerer said?
Only 40% of North Carolinians want it!!!!
That was her answer!
I told her to please give the message that she will NEVER get re-elected if she doesn't act like a Democrat. They hung up on me.
June 26, 2009 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe if we inundated her office with copies of our insurance bills, medical bills, letters denying care, etc, she might realize that her "public option" health care is much different from ours. Ditto to the rest of the opposition.
June 26, 2009 5:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
I called Baucus and left a message, stating that everyone knows how much money he is getting from the insurance industry, and that all that money will do him no good if he is never elected to anything again. There is no excuse for his behavior towards Single-Payer advocates, and his blind lock-step with insurance and Big Pharma has told progressives all we need to know.
I am so pissed!
June 26, 2009 5:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, perhaps it is true that only 40% of the people North Carolina support single payer. But you can bet your bottom dollar that every one of those 40% voted for her. They will be pretty pissed if she doesn't support real heath care reform.
Health care has the potential to the Democrats what abortion is to the Republicans. Every election since Roe v. Wade, the Republicans have promised the radical right that they would end abortion. A generation later, no progress is made on abortion, but the rich are richer.
The Democrats have been promising real health care reform since Clinton was elected. In fact, that may have been the primary reason Clinton was able to defeat an incumbant president. There is no reason for the Democrats not to deliver on their promises.
If the Democrats pass real health reform, their political dominance will be guaranteed for the next generation. If they don't, while commanding 60 votes in the Senate, there is absolutely no reason to keep them in power.
June 27, 2009 6:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
We're not talking about single payer; we're talking about a public option!
I wish folks would stop conflating the two. It's hard to win an argument when you can't even get the facts straight.
June 27, 2009 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina doesn't want a public plan. Therefore Hagan doesn't want a public plan. It's that simple. No deep philosophy or ideology is required.
We should be all over her with faxes, phone calls, emails and visits until she changes her mind.
http://hagan.senate.gov/?p=contact
I'm from NC. The selfless and honorable non-profit Blue Cross Blue Shield owns this state.
June 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
To The Honorable Senator Kay Hagan,
We need a public health plan available to everyone. If people want something better-than-public, let them buy private.
We need public education available to everyone. If people want something better-than-public, let them buy private education.
We need public police and fire deptartments. If people want their own better-than-public, let them buy private protection.
We need public roads and bridges and transportation. If people want something better-than-pubic, let them buy private.
We need public health insurance. It's now or later; and if it's later, it's likely you won't be around to vote for it, because you will have proven to all democrats that you cannot be trusted to help the general public, and will be voted out.
thank you,
tom fisher
Raleigh, NC
June 27, 2009 9:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I too am from the Tar Heel state and I helped fund the re-election of Sen. Hagan in my own small way. It is reprehensible that she is behaving like the woman she replaced , Liddy Dole. The commenter above who pointed out all the Big Pharma and BCBS connections to central state politicans and universities is entirely correct. It looks like NC is going to have an unbroken string of hugely bad Senatorial choices--Helms to the present.
June 28, 2009 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I too am from the Tar Heel state and I helped fund the re-election of Sen. Hagan in my own small way. It is reprehensible that she is behaving like the woman she replaced , Liddy Dole. The commenter above who pointed out all the Big Pharma and BCBS connections to central state politicans and universities is entirely correct. It looks like NC is going to have an unbroken string of hugely bad Senatorial choices--Helms to the present.
June 28, 2009 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
I gave her not one dime. Why? She never asked for it. Kay is un-re-electable.
June 28, 2009 7:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hagan is laboring under the delusion that she won election. In fact, she ran a really crappy campaign and was elected because Liddy LOST!
Six years and out, Kay, so vote your conscience, not your moderate bona fides.
June 28, 2009 7:46 PM | Reply | Permalink