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Obama Mocks GOPers Who Say Cap And Trade Will Cost $3,000 Per Household

Over the weekend, after the Waxman-Markey climate change bill passed the House by a predictably slim margin, President Obama sat down with some climate and energy reporters to discuss the state of play of energy reform.

Addressing the political risk some Democrats took by voting for the bill, Obama mocked the GOP for perpetuating a myth that should be familiar to readers of TPMDC. "So are there going to be nay-sayers?" Obama asked. "Absolutely."

Are there going to be short-term instances where you can get political gain by scaring the bejesus out of people and telling them that their electricity rates are going to go up a thousand percent and this is going to be a tax of $3,000 -- even though the studies that they cite the authors of say that these guys are just lying about these costs? Yes. Those political talking points will, in some cases, have some short-term impact.

We've been tracking that talking point for the better part of three months now, and it's a resilient one. It's been debunked both by the author of the study on which it's supposedly based, and by the Congressional Budget Office, but you still see it pop up every now and again. It must focus group extremely well!

In the interview, Obama says that the timing of Senate action on climate is up to Harry Reid and the relevant committee chairs--but that he's confident that they'll pass something, go to committee with the House, and send a final bill to his desk.

Timing isn't everything, of course. But it is crucial. Between health care and the appropriations bills and nominations, the Senate has a pretty busy few months ahead of it--and yet, 2010 is an election year, and getting flagship legislation passed in Congress at times like that can be significantly harder.


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I predict he's going to continue to point out that the Republicans voted like it was 1994--he was mocking them for chanting "BTU BTU!" as well.

Republicans: 15 years behind the times.

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Noticed that too. The initial buzz (and the Hill's headline) was over him saying he "understood" why 44 Democrats voted against it.

What most struck me, however, was his use of the "L" word. Not too long ago, Democratic politicians would have collapsed into a thumb-sucking fetal crouch at the mere thought of calling them liars merely because they were lying. (That or book a seat with the Republicans on the outrage train.) Now the president does it, and no one even raises an eyebrow.

Of course, the Hill did play "bury the lede" with the story. The story as represented by the MSM is "President understands why some Democrats are afraid to vote for cap and trade." The real story is "President understands that climate of fear and uncertainty created by MSM's uncritical repetition of GOP lies leaves some Democrats too afraid to vote for cap and trade."

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Democratic politicians would have collapsed ...  calling them liars....  Now the president does it ...

Read more carefully.  Obama did NOT call the GOOPers liars.  He cited someone else who did.  But, yes, using the L-word in any context does show a remarkable mitigation of spinelessness.

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...and yet, 2010 is an election year, and getting flagship legislation passed in Congress at times like that can be significantly harder.

Considering we have congressional elections every two years ... won't this always be the case? Or the even more difficult "this is an election year".

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Yes. It's mindboggling to consider that the concern over getting re-elected (a valid concern, of course, but...) trumps actually doing the work for which one was elected in the first place.

They've probably to until the end of this year, if they're lucky, to get the items on the Obama agenda accomplished. So the actual term for Congress (the House, at least) is one year.

For the President? 2009 and 2011, depending on how the midterm elections turn out.

Crazy.

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This bill is another give away to Goldman Sachs. Obama/democrats are in the pocket of the big Wall Street firms.

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Your argument would probably be better received if you explained how you arrived in your conclusion.

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I see TPMDC still hasn't fixed the little "feature" that limits you to, what, two links in your comment? And if you exceed that, your comment winds up in "Pending for approval by blog owner" which, um, never happens.

So this comment will be in two parts.

Part one.

Karl,

Matt Taibbi makes the same claim in his recent Rolling Stone article. RS hasn't (yet) made the article available online but a number of sites have OCR'd it and posted it. Here is one of them. I think even that is an excerpt; the full article is here.

Details will follow.

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Oh, and I forgot to mention, the Preview function doesn't warn you that you have what MT considers "too many links" in your comment.

Brilliant.

Anyway.

Details, as promised.

Commentary on Taibbi's piece by Felix Salmon at Seeking Alpha:

Taibbi puts Goldman, Zelig-like, at the center of no fewer than four speculative bubbles: one in the 1920s in which Goldman-controlled entities ended up losing an astonishing $475 billion in today’s dollars; the tech bubble; the housing bubble; and the oil-price bubble ending in 2008. He calls the US “a gangster state, running on gangster economics”, and is very explicit about exactly who he thinks the gangsters are. (Clue: they paid just $14 million in tax on $2 billion in 2008 profits.)

I don’t agree with all of Taibbi’s article, but I’m surprised at how much of it I do agree with, especially when it comes to the subject of regulatory capture. Taibbi spends no little time looking at Goldman subsidiary J Aron, and the semi-secret letter it was issued by the CFTC in 1991, the existence of which wasn’t even known to Brooksley Born, who was then the chair. The letter allowed Goldman to ramp up its activities in Chicago by orders of magnitude. When Congress asked to see the letter, the CFTC was careful to ask Goldman first if that would be OK.

I can’t, off the top of my head, think of a single government regulation over the past couple of decades which has remotely harmed Goldman Sachs; by contrast, there are many which have done it a world of good. The chances that the Fed, or any other systemic risk regulator, will be able to rein in this powerful organization are probably slim. The best we can hope for, I think, is that Goldman will unilaterally decide to be a force for good in the world, rather than an inflator of bubbles and profiteer in busts.

Taibbi's piece is very long; running 12 pages in print. I'm not going to pretend to evaluate it yet, because I haven't read the whole thing. As Salmon notes, the structure of the piece is to place G-S at the center of four (actually five) speculative bubbles dating back to the Republican Great Depression of the 1930s. As to Goldman and the cap-and-trade bill, Taibbi claims:

BUBBLE #6 - GLOBAL WARMING Fast-Forward to today. It's early June in Washington, D.C. Barack Obama, a popular young politician whose leading private campaign donor was an investment bank called Goldman Sachs - its employees paid some $981,000 to his campaign - sits in the White House. Having seamlessly navigated the political minefield of the bailout era, Goldman is once again back to its old business, scouting out loopholes in a new government-created market with the aid of a new set of alumni occupying key government jobs....

Gone are Hank Paulson and Neel Kashkari; in their place are Treasury chief of staff Mark Patterson and CFTC chief Gary Gensler, both former Goldmanites. (Gensler was the firm's co-head of finance) And instead of credit derivatives or oil futures or mortgage-backed CDOs, the new game in town, the next bubble, is in carbon credits - a booming trillion-dollar market that barely even exists yet, but will if the Democratic Party that it gave $4,452,585 to in the last election manages to push into existence a groundbreaking new commodities bubble, disguised as an "environmental plan," called cap-and-trade.

The new carbon-credit market is a virtual repeat of the commodities-market casino that's been kind to Goldman, except it has one delicious new wrinkle: If the plan goes forward as expected, the rise in prices will be government-mandated. Goldman won't even have to rig the game. It will be rigged in advance....

The feature of this plan that has special appeal to speculators is that the "cap" on carbon will be continually lowered by the government, which means that carbon credits will become more and more scarce with each passing year. Which means that this is a brand-new commodities market where the main commodity to be traded is guaranteed to rise in price over time. The volume of this new market will be upwards of a trillion dollars annually; for comparison's sake, the annual combined revenues of an electricity suppliers in the U.S. total $320 billion.

Goldman wants this bill. The plan is (1) to get in on the ground floor of paradigm-shifting legislation, (2) make sure that they're the profit-making slice of that paradigm and (3) make sure the slice is a big slice. Goldman started pushing hard for cap-and-trade long ago, but things really ramped up last year when the firm spent $3.5 million to lobby climate issues. (One of their lobbyists at the time was none other than Patterson, now Treasury chief of staff.)...

The bank owns a 10 percent stake in the Chicago Climate Exchange, where the carbon credits will be traded. Moreover, Goldman owns a minority stake in Blue Source LLC, a Utah-based firm that sells carbon credits of the type that will be in great demand if the bill passes. Nobel Prize winner Al Gore, who is intimately involved with the planning of cap-and-trade, started up a company called Generation Investment Management with three former bigwigs from Goldman Sachs Asset Management, David Blood, Mark Ferguson and Peter Harris. Their business? Investing in carbon offsets. There's also a $500 million Green Growth Fund set up by a Goldmanite to invest in green-tech ... the list goes on and on. Goldman is ahead of the headlines again, just waiting for someone to make it rain in the right spot. Will this market be bigger than the energy-futures market?

"Oh, it'll dwarf it," says a former staffer on the House energy committee.

Well, you might say, who cares? If cap-and-trade succeeds, won't we all be saved from the catastrophe of global warming? Maybe - but cap-and-trade, as envisioned by Goldman, is really just a carbon tax structured so that private interests collect the revenues. Instead of simply imposing a fixed government levy on carbon pollution and forcing unclean energy producers to pay for the mess they make, cap-and trade will allow a small tribe of greedy-as-hell Wall Street swine to turn yet another commodities market into a private tax-collection scheme. This is worse than the bailout: It allows the bank to seize taxpayer money before it's even collected.

"If it's going to be a tax, I would prefer that Washington set the tax and collect it," says Michael Masters, the hedge fund director who spoke out against oil-futures speculation. "But we're saying that Wall Street can set the tax, and Wall Street can collect the tax. That's the last thing in the world I want. It's just asinine."

Taibbi has a follow-up post, detailing his preparation of the article and specifically his contacts with Goldman, his questions to them, and their responses, here. Taibbi also links to criticism of his piece (from Goldman, again via Felix Salmon via Reuters) and then, of course, responds to the criticism.

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