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Two Steps Forward, One Step Back: Snowe Talks Triggers

This idea sort of came and went a few weeks ago, but some legislators just can't let it go. According to the Associated Press, Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)--a potentially key moderate on the Senate Finance Committee--hasn't forsworn signing on to a health reform bill that includes a public option. But she's holding out to see it affixed to a "trigger mechanism," which would, in theory, give insurance companies a years-long window to lower costs on their own and only "trigger" the public option if they failed to do so.

"If you establish a public option at the forefront that goes head-to-head and competes with the private health insurance market ... the public option will have significant price advantages," Snowe said. But this was her argument against making the public option available as soon as the bill becomes law.

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the committee's Democratic point man on the public plan, has basically ruled this option out, as has the health reform campaign Health Care for America Now. Their principles call for a public plan available "on day one."


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Without a public option there is no "reform," there is just business as usual and the moneychangers won.

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You are correct, Sir!

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Please call the Senators and tell them that is the point ===to get the best coverage for the most Americans for the best price...76% of American voters WANT A PUBLIC OPTION!!!!

Email Obama @change.org and request that he veto without a public option.

1.800.828.0498 ask for your rep/senator or any other rep/sen that you want to get the point across to!

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A trigger is a great way to kill reform and con the unaware voter about what true health care reform isn't!

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I betcha the trigger bamboozlement came directly from the insurance lobby along with nice check for Olympia's campaign.

"Taking Health Care Mountain, By Strategy."

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Yep. Anyone who supports a "trigger" should be asked why the hell we're doing this if conditions aren't bad enough to have a public option now, and how much worse they think things need to get.

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A 'trigger' is just another word for 'contingency'. Which means a fall back option if what you are trying isn't working. But, hell, we already know that the current system doesn't work. So WTF is the 'trigger' even for?

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One word: reconciliation.

Stick to your guns, House Progressives. No REAL public option, no bill.

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You're hoping the Dem leadership will show some cojones, which they've never done while in the majority that I can recall.

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Don't need the leadership on this one. We just need the Progressive Caucus to follow through on the promise it's already made- to vote against any bill without a real public option. Pelosi doesn't have the votes to pass a bill without them, as she's already admitted.

And for a variety of reasons, no bill is a MUCH better outcome than a crap bill with no public option. The latter would visibly and very expensively fail, poisoning the well for real reform for another generation or more.

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Talk about tying yourself in intellectual knots.

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Translation of Sen. Snowe's comment: "If you establish a public option you will lower health care costs, so that can't be allowed to happen".

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Of course it can't, her paymasters would be very unhappy.

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Translation of Sen. Snowe's comment: "If you establish a public option you will [endanger the monopoly of the health insurers, which will lead to] lower health care costs, so that can't be allowed to happen."

This should be fairly easy to beat in the public debate - we just need a clear, concise description of the concentration in the insurance industry.

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"Fairly easy to beat". Ha. If any of this were easy to beat, surely Sen. Grassley's office would overwhelmed by pitchfork-toting constituents furious with him for caring more about maintaining insurance company profits than maintaining and improving health care for Iowans.

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Can ya hear the jingle jangle of health insurance lobbyist money in Olympia Snowe's pocket?

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those poor poor insurance companies!!!!

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"If you establish a public option at the forefront that goes head-to-head and competes with the private health insurance market ... the public option will have significant price advantages," Snowe said.

Translation: Universal healthcare threatens the for-profit insurer's monopoly.

As I've said in a previous thread on this same subject, the insurance companies don't want competition in a free market, they don't want competition at all.

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Part of the problem is that wingnut market-worshipers have been way too successful at promoting the idea that a "free market" is one without regulation, when in fact without regulation, markets don't exist. You'd think after last year that idea would be dead, but really stupid ideas are very hard to eradicate.

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Gosh, Olympia, wouldn't it be terrible if all those incredibly well-off people in Maine could save a lot of money on health care. How about offering up a package like you get, Bitch?

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Senator Snowe should set a good example for the rest of us by rejecting her own taxpayer-funded healthcare coverage.

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Oly is famous for the trigger. She used it to finesse her vote for the Bush tax cuts--the trigger would flip to rescind the cuts if the deficit got too big. Well, how did that work out?

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This line of reasoning (proposed by the insurance industry) should "trigger" a recall of Senator Snowe. Likewise, Senator Feinstein.

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I will happily contribute to a primary challenge to either or both.

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Ooops, make that, to any Democrat that takes on Snowe and any primary challenge to DiFi.

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There is no recall of Senators in California, and I haven't heard of that availability in other states, either.

The six year terms of these farging iceholes makes them un-accountable to the people, and believe it or not, that seems to be the point about the Senate. It is NOT a democratic body.

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one can only hope these disgusting toadies for the insurance companies will face the music come election time, but, I won't hold my breath.

i mean the polling is pretty clear. the public is in favor of a public option. the public would probably overwhelmingly approve a single payer system if anyone would take the lead in explaining just how badly they are being screwed over by private insurance companies with their faux concern for free market competition.

finally, here's an issue that people care about because it affects them personally and you have the repukelicans and so-called moderate dems selling their constitutuents down the river so insurance companies can profit off them.

i had hoped obama would be another FDR, instead, it is increasingly looking like he'll be another hoover. unfortunately, the republicans have nothing remotely better to offer.

this is why we would be better off with a sane opposition party instead of an obstructionist collection of pathetic hypocritical big money sycophants.

ultimately, both parties have been bought and paid for and they like the system just fine.

to paraphrase ross perot, i guess we should just bend over and enjoy it.

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so far obama has been a far cry from FDR in that he has refused to take on any of these players in a meaningful progressive way.

THIS speech was backed up by action.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace; ie. business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me and I welcome their hatred.

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Olympia Snowe is a bubblehead. What kind of a statement is it about both the republicans and democrats that Snowe is one of the few republicans the senate dems can get to vote with them ?

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Snowe has shown herself to be just another immoral Republican!

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Immoral Republican is right. "Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the committee's Democratic point man on the public plan, has basically ruled this option out." How about people here say something nice about Democrats for a change?

I get it; some people here are not incrementalists. They think a society as corporately corrupt as ours can be changed in 5 months. Afterall, man's greatest acheivements were done instantaneously. Wasn't the light bulb invented on the first try? Didn't the Wright Brothers invent the airplane in 5 months?

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If you know what the answer is, why screw around with half measures?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the people "aren't ready for change". Guess what - they never will be. No matter how miserable they get, they'll always be swayed by the argument that some undeserving wretch might be getting just a smidge more than they are, which certainly can't be allowed. So let's keep 'em just this side of starvation, it keeps 'em mean.

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Stan - you picked the wrong democrat to say something nice about. Have you heard of the "Schumer Compromise"?

Here's something nice about a Democrat - Sheldon Whitehouse is one of the few legislators who has any concept of the importance of creating a historical record of refusal to allow what the Bush Administration's crimes to stand unanswered.

Now, back to health care. Snowe and Schumer are both trying to ruin health reform because they get paid millions by the insurance companies.

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What did you expect. She IS a Republican, after all. They are all ABOUT corporations over people.

Corporations have MORE rights than people in this country, and don't you forget it.

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why won't Snowe allow other americans to enjoy the same health plan she has.
congress has a great "socialistic" medical system, but those hypocrites don't want the rest of the citizens to have such good health care.

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Having access to affordable health care coverage as costs rise, is a key issue for many Americans right now and should be Congress’ top priority. Friends of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce supports alternatives for individual health coverage. Learn more about some of the proposals and sign a petition at http://www.friendsoftheuschamber.com/takeaction/index.cfm?ID=40 .

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I reject this nonsense! All government plans are wasteful and inefficient and thus raise costs for everyone while stealing our freedoms from us and pushing us into slavery.

Only a wholly private model can offer good services at the lowest possible prices for the best innovations.

Thus, because I now believe that the private model will lower healthcare costs, I reject it.

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Snowe's question has merit. A period of transition of insurance companies to respond to pricing and coverages to be offered by a public plan. No more than one year.

Otherwise, to allow the choice of a public option on day one would cause many of the 1400 insurance companies, insurance agents, HMO's, etc. etc., to fold up and close their doors. A couple of million workers would be in the unemployment lines further hindering our economic recovery.

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I'm 60 years old. My health insurance premium is 77% of my net salary. Do I sound like someone who can wait years for a "trigger"? Right now, I feel like there's a real one aimed at my head.

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I think Senator Snowe made an excellent argument for single payer healthcare:)

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Olympia Snowe does not believe in capitalism: she does not think that the insurance companies can beat the government offering! Isn't their ability to avoid 'government waste and inefficiency' exactly why businesses are entitled to profit -- if they can't do that, why let them skim off the top -- just pay an efficient government for the services needed.

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I just got a letter in this afternoons mail. My Blue Shield health plan is going up 37% on August first. I had an increase last year and the year before, but this one takes the cake. We need a public plan and we need it NOW. Frankly, death is looking better and better. They keep raising the deductable and charging more for less. We need to take the profit out of healthcare.

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When I took early retirement, one the really nice benefits was that my and my wife's health care insurance would be free for the rest of our lives. Well, that lasted about 3 years, so now about half of my pension goes to pay for health care insurance. And, I consider myself very lucky.

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How fucking stupid IS this woman?

My premium just went up 25% in one month and it was already high even with a huge deductible.

SINGLE PAYER NOW!!! Stop this bullshit debate.

Vote these morons out of office.


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THIS IS AN OPEN MESSAGE TO ANYONE WHO'S WRINGING THEIR HANDS OVER THE UNFAIR THREAT THIS PUBLIC OPTION PRESENTS TO THE FOR-PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY.

I first subscribed to cable TV in order to keep up with the progress on health care reform in 1993. Everything that was a red-hot issue then is still an issue now, except expanded by several magnitudes. The industry told Congress that they could better deliver the savings, bend the curve of increasing prices and give more access to care if Congress would leave them alone.

Fifteen years later, the president of AHIP testifies to the continuance of every issue from 15 years ago; still there, just much bigger. She kind of whimpers when she said "We've never had a mandate before, and if we get that mandate, we'll start achieving those goals of bending the price curve and increasing accessibility."

To my old ears, it sounds like an admission that in spite of their puffery that they're well aware that they haven't done squat in 15 years, but they're out there every day tilting the game so that the wads of cash roll into their pockets. They're getting their most showered Senators to pronounce a disaster in the making, namely that private insurance wouldn't be able to deliver savings on the scale that the public plan would produce, as if (wink, wink) that is a gold plated reason to write it out of the legislation.

When do we order them off? When can we say "If you were able to do it at all you would have done at least one little something by now. Buh-bye"

"What HAVE you done in 15 years, Ms. Ignagni?"
"We never had a mandate." Poor us.

Nobody asked her the question, she volunteered the excuse, as if well aware that it was on everyone's mind.

Name one developed country with a successful health care program that is built on the for-profit model.

This group has a lot of guts asking for ANYTHING!

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" ... she's holding out to see it affixed to a "trigger mechanism," which would, in theory, give insurance companies a years-long window to lower costs on their own and only "trigger" the public option if they failed to do so."
This is nothing more than a recognition that public health care is cost effective and would do private/monopoly insurance and big pharma a dent in their profits ... hence, these groups are operating through Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) as mouth piece to find a way to temporally bring down prices until the public forgets about the problem. They reason ... hey ... we will loose some at the beginning but a couple of years down the line (and much lobbying to get the trigger undone) we can just keep gutting the American consumer ... sheeple ... dummies ... ... you get the picture!

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On one hand, insurance companies give Cruella de Snowe a LOT of money.

On the other,

The Maine Health Care Access Foundation funded this profile of Maine health insurance coverage. According to data from the Current Population Survey, 124,000 Maine residents did not have health insurance during the 2004–2005 period. The majority (84%) of uninsured people were adults. Just over half of Maine residents who were uninsured came from low-income families residents. Low-income young adults (ages 19–34) were particularly at risk for being uninsured, and one-quarter lacked coverage. Over 86,000 of Maine's uninsured people were workers. Forty-seven percent of this uninsured group were low-income, over half (55%) were employed by firms with fewer than 25 workers, and just over two-thirds worked in industries with low rates of job-based health coverage. Over two-thirds (67%) of Maine's uninsured people came from families with one or more full-time worker, while another 19 percent are from families with a part-time worker.

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