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Baucus Freezing Out Democrats, Coddling Republicans?
Roll Call is up with an interesting piece about increasing Democratic frustration with the glacial pace of Sen. Max Baucus' bipartisan health care negotiations in the Senate Finance Committee. Interestingly, though, it seems as if one of the chief sources of irritation is a disparity in access--namely, that senior Democrats are being frozen out, while senior Republicans are completely keyed in.
[T]he level of consultation with Democrats stands in contrast with how Republican negotiators are briefing their Members. Senators said Enzi, who is the ranking member on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, briefs leaders every day on the talks. And all three of the GOP negotiators have agreed to brief the entire GOP Conference before they sign on to any deal with Baucus.But Democrats said Baucus is unlikely to run any deal by his caucus before he shakes hands on an agreement with Republicans.
Also troubling Democrats: the growing realization among some that Baucus may simply be trying to run out the clock.
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Paging Harry Reid's spine. If you're still around somewhere, please report to Harry immediately.
July 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
'splain please: how would Reid's spine make a difference here?
Baucus is the chair. Reid can't make him "negotiate faster" or "behave."
July 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
He can start by calling out Baucus publicly. This is a no-lose proposition now that it's clear that Baucus means to betray his own caucus and throw a monkey wrench into the works. And if enough other Democrats become sufficiently pissed at Baucus's behavior, why yes there could be a plausible threat of removing him from his chairmanship.
July 23, 2009 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
He can also call Baucus into his office every afternoon for a briefing on what's happening. I know there's "seniority" and all, but can't the entire Democratic caucus strip chairmanships etc?
There has got to be some way to made him behave.
July 23, 2009 12:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Baucus has proved that he is an ineffective chairman. Reid should strip him of his chairmanship at the next opportunity. If Ted Kennedy was the chairman of this committee do you think he would be screwing the President and the rest of the Democrats right now. Doubt it.
July 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reid does not have the authority to strip Baucus.
NEXT!
July 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm.... seems there was lots of talk of stripping Leiberman of his committee assignments after he blatantly tried to screw the President and the Party. I would like to know how this works. Anyone sufficiently informed?
July 23, 2009 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
With Lieberman, the entire caucus had to vote on whether to strip him. Reid couldn't do it alone.
Besides, Lieberman had openly campaigned against Obama and other Democrats and attended the Repug convention.
Baucus is just spineless and ineffective. If that's cause for removal, Reid would be first in line.
July 23, 2009 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reid's spine has long been MIA. In reality, of course, he's simply serving the interests of his base -- the corporations who got him elected and keep him there, and who will provide him a cushy 7-figure K Street job with a luxurious pension should he ever leave office.
As agio noted in another TPMDC thread ("Pelosi Wants A Health Care Bill By August, But First, All Eyes On Senate") -- sorry agio, I'd link your comment but TPMDC still has this ridiculous "policy" of choking on more than two links in a comment:
And as I mentioned in that thread. Steve Benen's comments from July 19 are both relevant to this discussion and accurate. And they serve as a valuable history lesson for those here who continually sing the praises of "centrist" Dems, or defend Reid, or otherwise make excuses for the party leadership's failure to move an agenda that favor ordinary people over industry lobbyists, even a little.
He begins by describing how Clinton's failed health reform went down in 1993-94, where Bill Kristol (yeah, that Bill Kristol) advised Republicans to do whatever they could to kill the proposal -- not because it was bad policy, but because "passage would help the Democratic Party for years to come". They succeeded. And "centrist" Democrats helped them. We know the results. Benen quotes Yglesias: "The result of that failure was not only substantively bad, but politically disastrous for Democrats."
Benen also quotes Prof. Mark Kleiman, who wrote in the blog post Benen linked to: "In 1993, Democratic 'centrists' on Capitol Hill helped defeat Hillarycare, believing that their power was unshakable and would be increased by teaching the new President a lesson about who was boss. The Gingrich Revolution was condign punishment for them, though what the rest of us did to deserve it I don't know." (Link at Benen's post. As noted, TPMDC still helpfully chokes on more than two links in a comment.)
Sixteen years later, Benen notes, the same game is playing out. But, he wonders, do the Liebermans, Baucuses, Conrads, Blue Dogs, and Reids simply not remember 1994? Or did they actually prefer that outcome?
His whole post is worth a read, including the linked comments of Yglesias and Kleiman.
Remember that, next time someone pops up around here praising "centrist" Dems, and claiming that they're actually good for the party. Remember where these guys' campaign contributions come from. Remember that, next time someone blames Democratic losses -- whether past or future -- on the party's left flank.
July 23, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting point, but I'm not sure if the moderate/conservative Democrats would want Repulblicans to gain a majority or even a few seats, since the seats that would change hands would be their own. Most of these people vote with their party at least 80% of the time. The chronic DINOs mostly only come from insanely Republican districts and are members who have recently been elected and thus don't have the advantages of incumbency and possibly gerrymandering to give them safer seats.
July 23, 2009 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Your description certainly doesn't characterize Baucus (Senator for 31 years, house for 3 years prior to that) or Conrad (Senator for 22 years), for example. I think a lot of these folks have been in office longer than you might think. In any event, I'm less and less convinced that these folks are all that concerned with re-election. Sure, it's nice, and they'll fight for it, but ultimately, with the Capitol Hill - K Street revolving door, these folks know that cushy seven-figure K Street lobbying gigs await them should they ever leave office, whether by their own choice or not.
July 24, 2009 4:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sen. Reid you need to be replaced for failing to drive the President's agenda. There is no execuse for this. Do the people's work and remove Baucus or yourself from positions of leadership if you do not meet your deadline!
DNC: Are you listening to the people?
July 23, 2009 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is an odd take on "bipartisanship" dontcha think?
July 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think we need to go after Baucus and all the spineless Democrats -- as well as the Repugnuts -- with the line of attack Steve Pearlstein gave yesterday morning and President Obama gave last night. If you're for delay or doing nothing, you're on record in favor of doubling health care costs over the next ten years, causing tens of millions more Americans to lose their health coverage, and driving millions more Americans into bankruptcy.
July 23, 2009 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
.25 of every $1 this guy raises comes from the Health Insurance Industry.
Of course he's trying to run out the clock. United Healthcare posted profits 155% above last years'. They don't see a problem with the current system, and neither does their butt-boy Baucus.
July 23, 2009 11:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I truss him about as far as I could throw Ben Nelson
July 23, 2009 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I trust him about as far as I could throw Rush Limbaugh.
July 23, 2009 4:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've kow that about Baucus for some time. Ad Mike Ross.
The DailyKos has more info on this storyhttp://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/23/756633/-Report:-Baucus-Drawing-Outrage-in-Dem-Caucus..
July 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Word from Firedoglake.com is that Baucus has reached a deal with Enzi and Snowe that will not include a public plan, which could pass in the next couple days. It will include John Kerry's plan to tax insurance companies on their most expensive plans (those valued at over $25,000 a year).
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/23/baucus-snow-enzi-bipartisan-deal-close-in-finance-committee/#comments
July 23, 2009 12:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here's hoping this report is correct. All we need at this stage of the game is to get SOMETHING out of that committee.
July 23, 2009 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're suggesting the public option can be added back in as a floor amendment? Much better to have it come out of committee.
July 23, 2009 12:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
This would seem to make some sense. Since they really are all holed up together then the assumption has to be that they are finding agreement. And since the Rs are not going to go along with a public plan, it's hard to imagine that agreement containing one. The question is, how does this meet the objective of universal coverage if there is no public plan?
July 23, 2009 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Once the bill passes from the Finance Committee can't the Senate put a public option into the final Senate version when they reconcile all the committee bills together?
July 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think Baucus needs to be threatened in some way if he wants to delay here.
Maybe move Yucca Mt to Mt?
July 23, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Baucus has to go to the bathroom sometime. All the other Dems need to get together on a plan, and when Baucus steps away, the second Dem on the panel can bring it to a vote and get it out of committee pronto.
July 23, 2009 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Baucus has to go to the bathroom sometime. All the other Dems need to get together on a plan, and when Baucus steps away, the second Dem on the panel can bring it to a vote and get it out of committee pronto.
Or just forget about his committee and vote it out of some other committee. Get on board or get out of the way, or he'll be run over by the train.
July 23, 2009 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Max is doing his job representing the insurance corporations who pay him. He will never understand why the 'little people' who do not pay him anything should have any say so over his committee and their bipartisan protection of the insurance racket.
I think Harry should take away Max's committee chairmanship as payback for fucking over the President and the Democratic Party.
July 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
NPR finally doing the journalism:
Who Has Access To Max Baucus?
by Andrea Seabrook and Peter Overby
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106655060&ft=1&f=1012
July 23, 2009 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
About friggin time. Not that this is all that common on NPR (and even less so in the rest of the broadcast media), or that it will measurably affect Baucus. Nor do I hold out much hope that NPR will continue to follow this or similar stories up.
But many many thanks for the link. The story deserves quoting (few people will follow the link):
The whole story is worth a listen or a read, or both. Audio stream and download available at the link you posted; note that the audio is different from the text on the site. The story does a pretty good job of exposing Baucus's rank corruption. And Baucus is by no means alone. Reid noted, Reid has received almost as much from Big Pharma, Big Insurance and Big Medical as has Baucus. Doubtless other Dem senators are members of that august club as well.
On Reid: well, he's all about the money. The linked Las Vegas Review-Journal article says that the [cough] $25 MILLION war chest Reid will have amassed by next year serves as a deterrent to Republicans who want to get into the race.
It equally serves to deter any Democrat who even thinks about mounting a serious primary challenge against him, in hopes that Nevadans could actually elect someone to represent them rather than his corporate masters. (BTW, that $25M figure represents $11,400 in contributions, per day, every single day of Reid's term in office, weekends and holidays included.)
Well, now we know where some of that money is coming from. It ain't you and me.
Or as the NPR story concluded:
I think we know the answer to that question.
July 23, 2009 4:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sunlight Foundation: Visualizing The Health Care Lobbyist Complex.
This is the post "as featured on NPR's All Things Considered." Discussion and "influence map" graphics. The post summarizes and links to previous Sunlight posts:
1.) The Max Baucus Health Care Lobbyist Complex
2.) Senate Finance Committee Health Care Influence Cluster: The Democrats
3.) Senate Finance Committee Health Care Influence Cluster: The Republicans
For item 2:
They also show contributions to each member of the committee from the insurance sector and the "health" (cough) sector, for 2008 and over their careers.
The page is also the central location for future updates, research and visualizations. Stay tuned.
These folks -- Sunlight Foundation, Open Congress, MapLight.org, and OpenSecrets.org/Center for Responsive Politics -- are doing God's work and the people's business.
July 23, 2009 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reid is beyond useless and I am convinced Baucus is simply corrupt. There really is no explaination. That the Republican leadership almost certainly know what Baucus is willing to agree to yet he refuses to tell the Democratic leadership really should lead to him being stripped of his chairmenship in the next Congress.
July 23, 2009 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't there some decent Democrat somewhere in Montana willing to step up and primary this sumbitch? If an opponent, even a few years out, set up a campaign account we could vote against Mad Max now with a fistful of modest donations. I'll promise to kick in a Benjamin; who's with me?
July 23, 2009 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The problem with primarying Baucus is the same problem as primarying Reid: Both they have too much money. In the words of that LVRJ article: "If he were to spend it all, it would certainly be the most money ever spent on a state election. But spending it isn't the point, analysts say. The point is to intimidate."
Their corporate masters will do everything they can to make sure that the Reids and Baucuses of the world represent them, not us.
July 23, 2009 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, Max Baucus was just reelected to a sixth term last November, so we are stuck with him for another 5 1/2 years. He could be replaced as Finance Committee Chairman before then though. Not sure if his Dem. colleagues would do that though.
Does anyone know if the Democratic caucus can vote to remove someone as Chairman in the middle of the two year session, or if we have to wait until 2011? Maybe some sort of grassroots movement to replace himin that position could get started soon...
July 23, 2009 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's highly unlikely that the Old White Boys Club would remotely consider such a thing. After Lieberman actively campaigned for the Republican Presidential candidate in 2008 and actively smeared the Democratic Presidential candidate, he barely got a slap on the wrist from his Senate colleagues in the majority, and he kept his committee chair assignment. And, technically, he's no longer even a Democrat.
Baucus (and Reid) haven't done anything remotely like that. They're doing the business of the dominant corporate wing of the Democratic Party. That's just part of the game. It's what most of them do.
July 23, 2009 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink