Cornyn: We Need F-22 To Protect Us From...India?
Check out this new Web video from Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), in which he he says we need to keep the F-22 fighter plane in order to deal with emerging international threats -- including India, which is an ally of the United States:
"It's important to our national security because we're not just fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq," Cornyn says. "We're fighting -- we have graver threats and greater threats than that: From a rising India, with increased exercise of their military power; Russia; Iran, that's threatening to build a nuclear weapon; with North Korea, shooting intercontinental ballistic missiles, capable of hitting American soil."
The stuff about North Korea and Iran should be expected as a talking point about national security. But why is he including a country that is not in any way an enemy, with a military that does not pose a credible threat to the US in the first place?
(Via Joshua Kucera.)


















he probably has $$ coming in from lockheed or local jobs. He knows that and he still would put our soldiers at risk for his own re-election. And people think extramarital affairs are immoral!
July 24, 2009 6:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well it must be local jobs. No reason it would be dollars from Lockheed. They're just moving this money to the F-35 which is also manufactured by Lockheed so its no loss to them. If anything, the F-35 is going to be a higher profit item because its going to be exported or made under license by allies.
July 25, 2009 12:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nobody is going to buy that f-35 boondoggle either. This plane is far superior to the f-35, costs half as much and is already in production.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter
Can we piss away anymore money to republican campaign contributors? We should cancel the f-35 and buy the plans for this plane and produce them at half the cost.
I am so glad they cancelled the f-22. Not one combat mission in two wars and it can't fly in the rain. They should just crush the things. It would be cheaper in the long run and save on maintenance costs. Pathetic.
I really want to know who the threat is by the way. Who do we need to fear that we need all this worthless hardware? The taliban? Iran? How many landing craft do they have? Ridiculous.
July 25, 2009 3:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why? Because either:
1. He or his aides are just idiots; or
2. He thought tying together going to war with India and job losses was a good dog whistle.
July 24, 2009 6:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't kid yourself, if it was within Cornyn's power he'd gin up a war with Louisiana let alone India if he thought it'd save a weapons program.
July 24, 2009 6:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone told him India was stealing our jobs and he wanted to go to war to go get them and bring them back here.
July 24, 2009 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is the same India, of course, that is getting advanced nuclear technology courtesy of his fellow Texan scumbucket, George W. Bush, in exchange for mangoes.
July 24, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
The greatest threats to the lives of Americans are heart disease and car accidents. Even legitimate terrorism is way way down on the list, let alone hypothetical threats from a current US ally.
July 24, 2009 7:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear that many Indians are not even U.S. citizens. A grave threat.
July 24, 2009 7:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's the beauty of Repulican Free Trade...
Build up our "allies" military and economic power so we can destroy them when they become too much of a threat.
July 24, 2009 7:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting he left China off the list.
July 24, 2009 8:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet he leaves out China, which is rising much faster than India, does not have a democratic government, and has a much larger (and growing) military complex.
Oh, and they have designs on their neighbors, many of which are our allies (India, Taiwan, and uninhabited islands claimed by Japan, Korea, and the Philippines.) [http://michaelturton.blogspot.com/2009/06/displaced-tensions.html]
July 24, 2009 8:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
The US is no ally of Taiwan, in fact, it doesn't even recognize it as a country.
July 25, 2009 1:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
And yet the US is still obligated to assist in the defense of Taiwan if China tries to carry out its threat of annexation.
And the only reason the US doesn't recognize Taiwan is because China won't let them.
July 25, 2009 3:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
They are always talking about Kenya. Why didn't he mention Kenya?
July 24, 2009 9:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't he know they already took the vote and the project funding was rejected? It's a little late to be whining about it now, isn't it?
July 25, 2009 12:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Big (little) John forgets that the F-22's have a severe mechanical problems....one main issue is they can't fly when it's raining!!! (as reported by the Pentagon, Sec. Gates). Taxpayers have bought over 180 of these flying mistakes and Big(Lil') John wants us to by more. On Real Time with Bill Maher this evening, Susan Eisenhower (President Ike's daughter) reported in addition to leaving the GOParty of No, her father's original 'Military Industrial Complex' statement was previously worded as the 'military industrial congressional complex' because Ike believed that members of Congress were as corrupted by military contractors as the lobbyist and the contractors themselves were. I'd say Big (Lil') John is a prime example of Eisenhower's very fear come true.
July 25, 2009 1:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I thought these louts cared about financial responsiblity!
July 25, 2009 3:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lockheed claims without the F-22 they'll lose 25,000 jobs themselves and 95,000 total when sub contractors are totaled in, across 44 states. A UMass study says defense contractor jobs are about the least efficient form of stimulus. I guess they're worse than other manufacturers like cars because once they're pushed off the assembly line nobody earns a living selling the finished product. That and they cost big tax dollars paid to airmen to keep them maintained and flying. According to UMass if we spent that $1.75 billion on tax cuts, a lousy stimulus, it'd produce 4,000 more jobs, and mass transit would create 20,000 more than the F-22. Plus we'd get mass transit instead of a fighter plane that can whup the nonexistent Al Qaeda air force but add very little else to society.
As it is the current USAF contract for new F-22s doesn't run out til 2011. That's right, thanks to wankers like Cornyn, who pushed thru a three year extention on these planes last year, we're still buying them, and if the Japanese or some other country (Cornyn will probably be trying to sell them to India soon) signs a contract the airframe will live on for the foreseeable future. And even if it doesn't the F-35 will probably pick up the slack.
It's amazes me how conservatives fret over losing defense jobs and manufacturing infrastructure. Ya know, we have to keep building nuclear attack submarines and advanced fighter aircraft, even though nobody else comes close to what we have and there's no targets for them, because we can't afford to lose that manufacturing capability. Yet they think nothing of trying to wipe out car manufacturing in the US.
July 25, 2009 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow, excellent info here. Do you have a link to the UMass study?
Future ammo for cutting the Pentagon budget....
July 25, 2009 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ginny you can work your way back from here. Let us know what you find.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-hartung/the-f-22-kills-jobs_b_241511.html
July 26, 2009 1:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
You left out another big part (maybe the biggest) of why they're so inefficient - expensive military hardware like the F-22 requires extremely costly basic materials and fabrication, so they end up employing a lot more people per dollar than, say, building cars.
July 25, 2009 3:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sadly these guys build these things like the Nazis built tanks. The Germans never did design a decent water pump for the Panther tank but they put the things together meticulously like they were swiss watches. Never got the hang of mass production the way way we did with our inferior Shermans or the Russians did out of pure necessity with their superior Stalin tanks. The Russians would drive those things out of the factory and into combat, literally a few blocks away in some instances. When you can hear the artillery in the burbs it sort of gives you an incentive to do your job fast and well.
The F-15 was a balky piece of crap that needed state of the art bugs worked out of it for the first ten years of it's service life too. That'll happen when you're designing something that's way beyond what's been built before.
Ever heard the story of the F-15? It's a classic tale of the Cold War. It illustrates Kissinger's two blind men boxing analogy. In the 50s we had the B-70 on the drawing board. A giant supersonic high altitude bomber capable of flying at mach 3 it was canceled after a few expensive prototypes were built and the Soviets shot down Gary Powers in his U-2. We realized it could be taken out by the same SAMS that blew him up. But we kept flight testing it til 69, mainly to gain knowledge for the canceled American competitor to the Concord.
So the Soviets, unaware we'd given up on deploying this monster built the MIG-25. The MIG-25 was a pure intercepter. It had the dogfighting capability of a Cadillac Sedan DeVille and ate jet fuel like a Hummer but the one thing it did well was climb to 90,000 ft like a rocket to launch missiles at the flocks of B-70s we never built.
During the early 1970s the Soviets gave some of these speedburners to the Egyptians to use as reconnaissance aircraft. The Izzies in their F-4 Phantoms couldn't shoot them down. But what really scared the hell out of everybody is that one Egyptian pilot, scared shitless flew one on afterburners at mach 3.2 from Jordan to Egypt. He cooked the engines, it never flew again. But we didn't know that. We thought the USSR had a goddam dogfighter that could fly at over mach 3 consistently. Hence the crash program to build the F-15. Took us about a decade to get that damn thing with it's expensive titanium engines running right. And the only place you could get titanium was the USSR and apartheid South Africa. No wonder Cheney thought Mandela was a communist. Now you can buy titanium golfballs.
We ought to stop building goddam prima donnas of the sky like money isn't an object. Russian fighters may not have the performance capabilities of our aircraft but they can be serviced and maintained by clinically depressed alcoholics (when they aren't drinking the windshield de-icer fluid) and land on gravel roads. We can build aircraft that can do things no human pilot can withstand these days if we want to. The question is can a remote pilot sitting in VA or FL tell what's happening around his aircraft (or does he care as much if that missile isn't going to go up his butt) and put his ordinance on a legit target as opposed to a wedding party celebrating with their NRA/RNC approved AK-47s? The fighter jock hierarchy of the USAF is going to have to be convinced. But millions of computer game playing kids won't.
July 25, 2009 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Texans know all about the Indian Wars.
July 25, 2009 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Set aside for the moment the imbecilic notion of India being a military threat to the United States and focus on the utter political stupidity of Cornyn's statement. Keep in mind that Cornyn is not just another stupid Republican US Senator but a key Member of the Republican Senate leadership as head of their campaign committee.
The Indian-American community in the US is the most affluent and highly educated ethnic/religious group by a good margin. For the most part they are Hindu. They are almost all connected to the Internet and most have not only become US citizens but virtually all of those are registered to vote. I am certain that Cornyn's statement has been Emailed to well over 75% of the Indian-Americans at the time I am writing this and virtually 100% will know about it by Monday morning. If you do not believe me, just ask the former Republican Senator George Allen.
This group has tended to lean Democratic and has been heavily courted by the Party for years. I distinctly recall attending a DNC Indian-American outreach dinner in DC during the Carter Administration. President Bill Clinton established a close relationship with this community years before he ran for President and Hillary tapped into this fundraising network. Before George Allen made his statement, this community was about 60-65% Democratic but George Allen moved them more into the Democratic column. The Macaca video was all over the Indian-American community within 48 hours and was also being reported in the Indian media. Although it is not known for certain, it appears that there are at least 50,000 registered Indian-American voters in the Northern Virginia suburbs--75,000 may be closer to the mark. There is a race for Governor this year and Cornyn has probably just energized this group to go out and vote for Deeds.
This may turnout to be a major hidden disaster (the MSM will miss it) for the Republicans.
July 25, 2009 11:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Repubs realize the corner they're painting themselves into. Indian Americans are a pretty affluent if small demographic.
I'm reminded of Aasif Mandvi's comic rant on the Daily Show. He was bragging about Sanjay Gupta's appointment to be Surgeon General, making a silly argument about Indians leapfrogging several other minorities when Stewart interjects to tell him Gupta reconsidered and decided not to take the job. Mandvi, feigning utter disappointment, just goes off on Gupta, like his own parents no doubt did when he told them he was going to try his hand at comedy instead of graduate school. To placate him Stewart says, "Well he's still a neurosurgeon Aasif". Mandvi responds, "We're all neurosurgeons Jon!"
While that may not be quite true I've yet to meet any Indian American who is stupid or uneducated.
Repubs might think they can win elections in the future stoking aggrieved white voters with race and class resentment but that demographic is shrinking in both sheer numbers and as a proportion of the electorate in most of the country. Playing on fear and division has never been a long term winning strategy, and it directly contradicts the American ideal that they profess to love, that anyone can make it here, but that's not gonna keep them from trying.
July 26, 2009 12:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
Me? I'm wondering how those F-22s are going to stop North Korea's ballistic missiles "capable of hitting American soil" (Attu Island in the Aleutians?). And, if Cornyn has found a way to use the Raptors as ICBM interceptors, can we stop funding the Star Wars boondoggle now?
July 26, 2009 12:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe he's trying to curry favor with the right.
July 27, 2009 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink