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DeMint: America Is Like Germany Before WWII

America these days is reminding Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) of Nazi Germany.

Last night, at a National Press Club event where he was plugging his book Saving Freedom, he implied that America's elections are "just power grabs."

Part of what we're trying to do in Saving Freedom is just show that where we are, we're about where Germany was before World War II where they became a social democracy. You still had votes but the votes were just power grabs like you see in Iran, and other places in South America, like Chavez is running down in Venezuela. People become more dependent on the government so that they're easy to manipulate. And they keep voting for more government because that's where their security is. When our immigrants get here, they're worried, because they see it happening here.

He said he doesn't, however, think America is ready for a revolution, and said he believed the government could change "in a civilized way."


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Shorter DeMint: When Democrats win, democracy sucks.

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That's the most incredible string of non-sequiturs I've heard this week! Chances are good that DeMint knows no more about any of those situations/places than is stated in that paragraph.

Why do Republicans glory in ignorance and hyperbole?

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Why do Republicans glory in ignorance and hyperbole?

Rule #2 from the GOP Playbook:

Keep the masses dumb and scared. They're easier to manipulate that way.

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What's rule #1? I'm guessing it's not "Beware a little old man holding a broom."

/prachett geeking

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The Corporation is Thy God. Thou Shalt Bow Down Before The Corporation.

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Schmedley,

I believe that coincidentally (or not), "GOP" is also an abbreviation for "Goebels Operational Plan."

Also, your rule #2 was his rule #1.

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The Republicans keep "the masses" and particularly the media dumb and scared in part by making the very threats to democracy that the Republicans themselves represent seem ridiculous. This is just another example.

If anyone were to point out that the true comparison to early Hitler's Germany is in fact Bush and especially Cheney with their political takeover to all departments of the federal government and especially the police and prosecution powers, the media is going to look at these allegations and say "It's ridiculous and both sides are engaging in unrealistic hyperbole."

Since the media gives equal weight to both sides in every discussion (all of which seem to have two and only two sides) this is the best way to manipulate them.

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What an idiot. Just think a mere 6 months ago, saying something like that would be considered anti-American and siding with the terrorists. In fact, it would have been considered treason. It's sickening to think DeMint's Party is actually a major political organization here in America.

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I say let these wingers keep talking. Nothing turns a National Party into a Rump Party quicker than when yet another of its rising stars opens his mouth and compares the USA to Nazi Germany!

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the trainwreck that is the GOP!

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Pass the popcorn, please?

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That's National Capitalist White People's Party, to you, bub.

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Funny thing is, one of my in-laws did say something (privately!) very much like this during Bush's march to war. The major distinction is that she actually grew up in Nazi Germany, and therefore had some idea what she was talking about. Unlike DeMint.

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Just think a mere 6 months ago, saying something like that would be considered anti-American and siding with the terrorists. In fact, it would have been considered treason.

Do you consider this anti-American? Then congratulations, saying something like that is considered anti-American! Right now!

Jeebus, don't let 'them' set the rules. Bill O. and Rush and their ilk aren't the people we look to to see what's considered what. Are they?

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Aw dammit, if we're nazis instead of socialists does that mean I have stop threatening to send wingnuts to re-education camps?

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Yep. But on the upside, we can threaten to send them to boncentration bamps.

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boncentration camps? Is that what the kids are calling them these days or just a typo?

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I can't tell if his joke whooshed over your head, or your joke whooshed over mine.

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Me either. But on fuller reflection, it turns out to be one of those jokes that's better than you thought it was at the time you made it.

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I wonder about Demint's mental health. Maybe he hasn't slept since 1945 either.

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He is sounding like the Nazis who were elected by spreading fear of the Socialists and Communists. Today's Republican Party has a two part platform that is entirely based on fear: Fear of God for the social conservative branch and the God of Fear for the Necocon agenda and fear of the foreign for the immigrant bashers and racists. The Senator's surname should be spelled Dement as in demented.

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Or, you could sum it up this way: "Fear of God"...Romney. "God of Fear"...Gingrich. Put another way, it's Bush/Cheney all over again.

Anyone wanna take bets on Romney/Gingrich in 2012?

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ejg3,

The Senator's surname should be spelled Dement as in demented.

That's no good, because Iris DeMent is a very cool songwriter.

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Hitler also demonized "Libruls".

Has a kinda familiar ring to it, eh?

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It's not that bad, DeMint. It's not as if we have popular election results overturned by a small group of....oh, wait...nevermind.

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I am so sick of these lying reprobates. The only people falling for this crap are the 27% of undereducated, uninformed, unintelligent inner-bred low lifes.

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There must be a majority of them in South Carolina!

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It is deplorable there are 27% remaining committed to their March to Fascism, real Fascism. It's why we need to fund education better. Evidently we left 27% of tyhe children behind.

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"Fascism" likely doesn't even elicit register a coherent meaning from many people in this 27% bracket. If their leaders said America must guard itself from, say, some nonsense word, "Stoefroeism", then these people would identify in the cause against anyone seen as promoting "Stoefroeism".

It's more likely that a good portion of that 27% were raised with particular beliefs and experiences, won't or don't know how to cope with cognitive dissonance, and choose to take comfort in what they feel least disrupts their world, no matter what forces, to an outsider, are more likely to cause an upheaval in their lives.

(This is found in a portion of people who identify as Democratic and far-left-wing, too...)

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You seem to know an awful lot about Stoefroeism. You're not one of those dirty Stoefroeist sympathizers, are you?

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DeMint is rivaling Inhofe for the title of the most insane senator.

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Givin' him a good run for it he is, too.

I've heard people say that DeMint indeed has some kind of imbalance; this latest does not disprove that charge.

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Yes, of course. It's all so clear now. We've become the Weimer Republic. We've thrown off the rule of a hereditary despot who rashly led us into an unwise war and now, without his firm, steadying hand, we've descended into chaos and dependence.

If only we had a frankly anti-democratic, racist, authoritarian party to save us from the Communists and the Socialists and the evils of majority rule. A party with a cadre of fearful, frenzied xenophobic goons at its command and an array of thrilling orators who could whip up crowds of supporters into violent frenzies against those corrupt, decadant, unpatriotic elites who are daily stabbing our beloved homeland in the back. A party that defines "patriotism" in terms of ethnic identity, nationalistic symbolism and a quasi-mystical veneration of rurality and soil, rather than shared constitutional ideals. A party that abhors popular culture and modern art. A party with its own anthem.

Yes, clearly the time has come for such a movement to arise, arise and save us from ourselves. Yet, such a movement must have a leader. A man of ideas and vision and an unshakable firmness of purpose. Where, oh where can we find such a man? I know not, but he must be out there for, surely, in this time of turmoil and degeneracy, the hour and this man of destiny must meet.

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Excellent post.

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Awesome.

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This post belongs in the Hall of Fame. Excellent.

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where can we find such a man?

How about a woman?

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Palin-Bachmann '12!

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Nicely done.

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Bloody Brilliant!

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My thoughts exactly. I was going to write in saying the main connection I see between pre-Nazi Germany and America today is the Republican Party, but, knowing the posters on this site, I figured it had already been said. It had and you said it best.

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If we can occupy Berlin, sign me up. Call me a starry-eyed romantic, but I've always wanted to goose-step down the Unter den Linden for my fearless leader, en masse with my dearest friends and companions.

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He jsut called the entire country Nazis! Well he would know, hes at all the meetings!

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If South Carolina wants to try seceding again, I'm all for it. They can establish the Christianist State of South Carolina, and all the fundie nutters from Maine to Alaska to Texas to North Dakota can move there.

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That's gonna make Biker Week in Myrtle Beach a tricky affair to pull off.

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Bike Week?
The city government already called it off.
Or should I say, prohibited it indefinitely.

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did you read my response to your "tax the rich" question?

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No! I refuse to give up anymore coastline. All those nutters can move to Texas or Alaska (which has a strong separatist movement endorsed by less-than-one-term Gov. Palin)!

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Texas and Alaska have coastline, too. Let's give them Utah and Oklahoma.

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There are a bunch of Christian-like Mormans there already declaring that is the Promised Land, so they can have the Land if they Promise not to leave it.

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No, Oklahoma has oil and Utah has ski resorts. Let's send them to North Dakota.

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NO! They could spill over into Canada from there and decide we're even worse (with our godless socialized medicine, two official languages, gay marriage etc., etc.). A putsch (sp?) would inevitably follow.

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Neither OK or UT has much water though. They'll go back to godforsaken wastelands soon enough. Then they'll turn on God for forsaking them.

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Pop quiz for Mr DeMint-
Who said
"A dictatorship would be easier, as long as I'm the dictator"
and
"The Constitution is just a goddam piece of paper"
hint: it wasn't Obama

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For DeMint's GOP, he only elections that count are the ones that end in a 5-4 vote.

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This, coming from the GOP? The same party that brought us warrantless wiretaps, spying on American citizens, stop loss, the end of habeas corpus, the unitary executive, executive privilege, "town hall meetings" with hand-picked audiences, threat of "Nuclear Option", the "permanent Republican majority", signing statements, torture, the EPA and the SEC lying to the public and refusing to enforce regulations, rigged elections, politically-motivated prosecutions, lies and conspiracy to gain support for a pointless war, sweetheart deals for war profiteers who then poison and electrocute our troops in their effort to suck up even more taxpayer dollars, deliberate obstruction of federal investigations? You mean that GOP?

Sen. DeMent, why don't you whining crybabies just suck it up or go away. The crap that comes out of your mouths is unbecoming of normal healthy adults, much less members of the U.S. Senate. I realize that your frame of reference is Crackerville, where talk about the Confederacy and people of color and what you'd like to use your guns for hasn't changed since 1865. Just take my word for it. Your hateful, spiteful, vengeful, ends-justify-the-means, interminable lying approach to dealing with your party's defeat is not shared by most Americans nor does it reflect a person in possession of his faculties. Give it up.

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This is exactly what I wanted to say in response to the senator's quote above. I see you beat me to it, so I will simply second this post.

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I seem to remember a big fuss when Move On inadvertently featured a member-generated video that compared Bush to Hitler on its website. When the video was discovered, Move On took it down and apologized, but this was not good enough for the Right because comparing a U.S. President to Hitler was (then) considered so far outside the boundaries of acceptable political discourse that it was an unforgivable sin. The video, which was never approved by MoveOn, was used as evidence by mainstream pundits that the U.S. Left had become unhinged by their blinding, irrational hatred of Bush.

Now we have a Republican U.S. Senator not so subtly comparing Obama to Hitler, and it is seemingly no big deal. Interesting.

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Of course. You know the rule: IOKIYAR.

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This theme is bubbling up everywhere with these wingnuts. But if they want to be crazy and say crazy, conspiratorial things, fine.

But I do wish that they would get their left and right straight. I suppose it could be deliberate obtuseness, but throwing Nazis in with socialists is just silly. Chavez and Hitler would not likely get along.

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I have to admit I found myself not disagreeing with Mr. DeMint - though for way different reasons -
Check out - read through the Declaration of Barmen

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/barmen.htm

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Demint@petehoekstra Having a democratic president is like living under Hitler.

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It's a mistake to view this kind of talk as idiosyncratic blurting. We hear the same things over & over again: a myth of tyranny with wide resonance. The fact that it is utterly divorced from reality probably counts in its favor, ultimately, with its audience.

Last week I heard perfectly respectable bourgeois retirees and pre-retirees in Tennessee lamenting around the pool that the presidency had been taken over by an illegal alien.

One forgets that this country has been under existential threat from powerless or nonexistent groups for decades: and now they've seized control! This sold a lot of soap in the cold war era, and will sell a lot more.

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The key word there is "retirees." The youth of the nation is awakening, more every day, and the GOP is doomed because of it.

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And "Tennessee."

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Hey TPM, you may want to change the wording on the headline. "The Commenter Formerly known as NC Steve" got it right -- as asinine as DeMint's analogy may be, he appears to be comparing us to pre-Nazi Weimar Germany (i.e. social democrats in power), not to Nazi Germany (national socialists in power). This makes the analogy even more asinine, ironically, but that's another issue -- DeMint may have no clear idea what card he's playing here, but it's not clear he's playing the "Nazi" card.

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Interesting, so you think he was referring to Germany before 1932? It would sort of make sense in the context of his comments about a "power grab" as in burning down the Reichstag and blaming it on communists.

So maybe he is trying to make an honest argument. The economic crisis and lack of leadership leaves us vulnerable to a power grab by Nazis? What does any of this have to do with socialism?

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Oh! So--DeMint is saying that Obama and Pelosi represent the Social Democrats of the Weimar government and Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin represent the Nazis that will take the country over and form a dictatorship? I could believe that!

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Exactly. I'm beginning to think that this is an instance of real, if unintended, candor on Jimmy's part.

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So, wait. Doesn't this mean I'm the one who broke Godwin's Law? Dang.

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Like Hitler? Is that the best they've got? Jews across the world should be insulted by the comparison.

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so if he doesn't think we need a revolution here, doesn't that mean he doesn't think Germany needed one in pre-WWII Germany?

Why do you like Nazis so much Senator?

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What can one do? DeMint comes from the same state where Republicans have just "slapped" Sanford's hands for his fall from marital grace plus embarrassing their state.

As long as this Baptist-controlled state is still fighting the "war of northern aggression" against the rest of the country which is now being led by a black president, these low information voters will continue to re-elect DeMint.

I'm speaking as a former resident.

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Hitler was wrkn WKND!

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fruitbat

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When our immigrants get here, they're worried, because they see it happening here.

That's why the Republican Party is so popular with immigrants, right?

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Avoid history lessons from inbred Slave State Scumbags.

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Pathetic! If Sen. Jim Demented had his way---Blacks and Jews would still be enslaved.

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giving money to banks, or the military complex is freedom... giving it to the little guy is socialism... i think it get it.. if you bail out aig it's called 'saving freedom'... thanks to 8 years of bush for saving freedom.. geez!

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This explains President Obama's campaign promise to remilitarize the Sudetenland.

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Hitler was wrkn WKND!

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Glad to see the R party is reaching out across the aisle.

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I am surprise the educated readers of TPM are not aware of the similarities brought up by DeMint (although I fully understand he has pretty much discrdited himself to the point few people would actually take anything he says seriously).

In this case, however, look at some of the facts.

1. Over the past few presidencies, the executive branch has become tremendously more powerful, due to the lack of congressional and senatorial desire to work with each other and represent the common folks. They have instead taken the party line of vilifying the other party and everything it stands for.

2. Governmental powers have become intrusive to the point of almost total lack of privacy.

3. The president has, more and more, used "signing" powers, excusing him from any laws he deems prohibit him from doing what he wants.

4. We now have more people with guns, badges, and police powers than we have ever had in our history.

5. Last year, we had our military take on a mission and employment WITHIN our own boarders, something that was declared illegal in the beginning of the 1800s.

6. We have once again decided that our government can torture people whenever the executive branch so desires. Remember folks, Obama didn't take that power from the office, only told us HE wouldn't do it...

7. Our president and congress has decided to protect government officials (and I am assuming those they hire from the outside) from prosecution over torture... (Bush even went so far as to pass a law preventing his thugs from being prosecuted for War Crimes... BEFORE attacking Iraq. Which brings us to...

8. We can now attack other nations at will and kidnap their leaders (remember Noriega and Panama?)... or just kill and injure their innocent people for revenge (Iraq).

9. Germany began building its military long before it began attacking its neighbors. The United States is now spending $400 billion/year on its "Defense" busget... more than all the other nations COMBINED!

10. We no longer deem treaties viable (see Geneva Convention signees)

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you can add your own...

My point:

Perhaps for once, we need to listen to the messenger... even if he IS normally a whacko.... IMHO

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Perhaps for once, we need to listen to the messenger... even if he IS normally a whacko.... IMHO

One problem with that line of thinking. For 8 years, the "messenger" was defending the absolute worst perpetrators of all of those things you listed and working to obstruct any attempt to bring them to justice or even to investigate them.

He is still a whacko.

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i agree --

and yes he is a whacko. i live in SC.

i just wish there was a viable D candidate to step up and run against him. I also wish we had a strong message machine to educate the "un-edumacated" on the issues.

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Except that's not really the message DeMint was trying to convey.

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"People become more dependent on the government so that they're easy to manipulate."

Republicans know that if Obama gets public health care and puts people back to work with the stimulus plan, that the Republican party is over because they did nothing for the average worker in this country. All they cared about was the wealthy and war.

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So if you did a survey of Americans neo-nazis, whom do you think they would like more - Obama or DeMint? If you asked neo-nazis who represents your nazi values more - Obama or DeMint, what do you think they would say?

And lastly, if you took to head-photo's - one of Obama and one of DeMint....and you drew-in little square moustaches under their nose....who do you think would LOOK most like Hitler.

Hell - DeMint even colors his hair the same as Hitler. Watch "The Color of War" on the history channel. You can see Eva doing a touch up - though she leaves a touch of grey around the temples - where DeMint obviously goes for total coverage.

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U.S. Republicans have "coup envy."

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This all could have been avoided if the election of 1860 had gone the other way. Damn repugnicans wanted to keep the confederacy that is now their only base. We should've let 'em go! I'll bet that ol' Dement doesn't even know the derivation of the word 'Nazi,' but will keep yapping about it. Jeesh!

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DeMint's mention of social democrats means he's referring to pre-Hitler Germany, from roughly 1924 to 1933. A bit premature for that, to say the least, but TPM writers don't seem to have a clue.

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DeMint is utterly clueless. Germany before WW Ii was a dictatorship. It stopped being a social democratic state in 1933, quite a bit before WW II.

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Germany before the war? So we're looking at a river but thinking of the sea?

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This is the latest salvo in the right's ongoing attempt to rewrite our political lexicon to its advantage.

Fascism has normally been understood as the totalitarian extreme of the political right, whereas communism is the totalitarian extreme of the political left. By attempting to shift the fascism label onto the left, the right hopes to be able to tar the left with both of the totalitarian extremes of the last century, and all of the crimes against humanity that attach to them.

It's ludicrous nonsense, but to the extent that they can get away with it, this would leave the left responsible for all the evils of recent history - Hitler as well as Stalin; the Holocaust as well as Mao's collectivism. The right, meanwhile, remains pure and untainted.

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What DeMint meant to say was he took a time machine, traveled back to Germany before WWII, and took notes.

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Oh, man. If I think he's full of crap, does that make me Neville Chamberlain? Guy was lame.

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Take heart. It may mean you're Churchill. But I'm having a hard time keeping up.

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I am surprise the educated reader of TPM are not aware of the similarities brought up by by DeMint.

In this case, however, look, at some of the facts.

1. Republicans love America and love Freedom.

2. Liberals do not like America or Freedom.

3. Governmental powers have become big and the president can do whatever he wants almost including using his powers.

4. We now have more people with guns and badges, than we have ever had in our history. I have a badge from eBay, and lots of guns, so I know.

5. Last year, we had our military take on a mission and employment WITHIN our own boarders, and our boarders got upset because their board and rent went up and they were out of work, and the military was getting employed. Or something. But that was declared illegal in 1800, or maybe seven o'clock. I have to check.

6. We have once again decided that our government can torture people whenever the executive branch wants to bring back bad television shows, like things on Fox.

7. We can now attack other nations whenever we have nothing to do and kidnap their leaders or just kill and injure their innocent people for revenge or good news footrage. I guess we've always been able to do this though.

9. Germany began building its military long before it began attacking its neighbors, but they all spoke German and didn't have "rap". The United States is now spending $400 billion/year on its "Defencse" busget... more then the Kingons and Kardassians COMBINED!

10. nazi clones from another place are in our country now and manufacture black helicpoters.

11.... 12.... 13.... 14...15...

you can add your own...

Okay! 11. While I appreciate and defend the right of anyone to offer their observations about trends in the development (or deterioration) of America's government, I reserve the right to make fun at them. They are, of course, free to do the same.

My point:

Perhaps for once, perhaps, we need to listen to the whacko messenger... even if he IS normally a whacko, abnormally .... unless we have somethin g better to do. IMHO. Thank you.

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Senator DeMint,

I'd offer to help you pack your bags to move to a safe haven from the Obama-Nazis, someplace in Europe or even Canada perhaps, but those countries are teeming with the dreaded socialized medicine. I know that great American patriots such as yourself loathe facing that almost as much as the idea of those Nazis filled with straw.

So, good luck in Brazil (wait, they have SUS!), uh... (oh, what the hell...) the Marshall Islands!

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