Have Senate Health Care Negotiations Hit A Wall?
Earlier today, I suggested that Senate Finance Committee chairman Max Baucus had, to a great extent, left the fate of health care reform in the hands of a couple very conservative Republicans. Others have noticed, too. According to Roll Call, "One Senate source said [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid told Baucus earlier this week that if the Finance group could not produce an agreement by the end of next week that the Majority Leader's office would likely end up taking over the negotiations."
This has apparently ground negotiations to a halt, at least for today. Soon, though, Baucus and Reid will have to make a decision: humor the Republicans and delay completion of a committee bill until September, or scrap the consensus language and advance a partisan bill.
Unless, of course, Republicans suddenly decide they have no interest in slowing down health care negotiations. Cough. "[Y]es we're being rushed," said Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY), a key conservative negotiator. "It's possible to get it right. It just can't be done by next weekend."


















I seem to recall that just before the logjam broke on stimulus in the Senate, some Republican or other demanded that any committee compromise come with leadership guarantees that it "not be made more liberal"..
Then there is the iron political logic which says Baucus is a chump
*NyT
July 30, 2009 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
So Reid will step in and rescue the bill negotiations? I feel safer already. (vomit)a
July 30, 2009 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hug that toilet tightly
July 30, 2009 6:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
We can count to 60 just fine. That's how many Democrats are in the caucus. Instead of wasting time sucking up to Republicans who have NO interest in healthcare reform, he should be trying to corral stray Dems.
July 30, 2009 6:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Don't even need 60 to vote for it, just need 60 to vote to break a filibuster.
July 30, 2009 6:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, they are just victims of NO LEADERSHIP. Public option is the only way or it becomes a 'bailout' for the Insurance Co's!
July 31, 2009 9:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Republicans have one goal: kill healthcare reform. Everybody knows that except Baucus. Or maybe he knows it but is such a total pussy, he can't keep from bending over.
July 30, 2009 6:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or his paymasters at AHIP have ordered him to slow walk any legislation so they can spend the rest of the summer trying to turn the public against reform.
July 30, 2009 6:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are only 3 bills.
1. A partisan bill
2. A very bad bi-partisan bill
3. No bill
If this isn't clear to the leadership then they need a wakeup call.
July 30, 2009 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
3 may be better than 2. Democrats will be blamed for a bad bill forever. If there is no bill the Blue Cross Dogs can campaign on that label. I'd rather defeat a Blue Cross Dog than a Republican because the Blue Cross Dogs are more destructive. They generate a non-stop stream of static obscuring every message the Democratic party tries to get out leaving clear channels open for the Republican message.
July 30, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
i agree that 3 might be better then 2. at least with 3 there is a chance that reform can come at some other point of date, but 2 would damage reform quite badly.
July 30, 2009 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
If there is no bill, Democrats will be wiped out in 2010. That might not be such a bad thing given the way things have been going the past few months.
July 30, 2009 6:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Is that because things were soooo much better a few months before the past few months?
July 30, 2009 6:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
It would be bad if they were replaced by the lying ass incompetent scoundrel Bible thumping Republicans who sent this country into a death spiral the last eight years.
Who got a free ride? North Korea. Kim Il was blowing off nuclear weapons like firecrackers. War profiteers, Kenny Boy Enron for a while, and unregulated Republican cronies on Wall Street were given the keys to the Treasury by George and Hank.
Give me one name of an American Bush saved in his war on terror. I can give you thousands of names of Americans who died directly due to his incompetence and lies.
July 30, 2009 7:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I fail to understand why you are asking me to defend Bush and his war. In fact, I fail to see how Bush is to blame for democrats like Baucus giving away the store to a couple of right-wing nutcases who want to kill healthcare reform.
You can't blame Bush for everything. The Dems have to admit that they have a bird nest on the ground and are royally fucking it up.
July 30, 2009 9:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe the voters are not as stupid as you and will realize that more progressives are needed in Congress!
July 30, 2009 10:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
I realize we need more progressives in Congress but apparently you're too much of a fucking idiot to comprehend that. Baucus is not a progressive and after the way he's screwing over healthcare, I wouldn't shed one tear if he loses.
Asshole.
July 30, 2009 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
or
4. Budget Reconciliation bill.
July 30, 2009 10:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Hey, Dumbass. Your #4 is not even remotely related to the other three.
July 30, 2009 11:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
For an interesting take on what Baucus may or may not be trying to do, or how he is getting played by playing with wrong people at the table, check out this by Nate Silver at 538:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/07/only-winning-move-is-not-to-play.html
July 30, 2009 6:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
great link
July 30, 2009 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I realize it may be beyond Reid to do it, but how come no one is floating reconciliation (ie the nuclear option) to get these clowns off their butts? Why did the Senate put it in the budget if the Dem leaders aren't going to have the stones to even mention it?
Because right now you have a moderate majority leader telling a moderate to conservative committee chair that he needs to "pretty please" get something done, and all Baucus has done is target 2 very conservative GOP Senators whose help is not neceassary to passage under reconciliation. This really has to horrify the 55 or so Dems who are more progressive than Baucus (I'm excluding Lieberman, Nelson (D-Mutual of Omaha), Landrieu (D-Crazy Cajun), and Reid).
July 30, 2009 7:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
October 15th is the agreed deadline, if there is no compromise by then, reconciliation comes in to consideration.
July 30, 2009 7:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
From a posturing position, it comes in now. Reid should be pointing out to Baucus that given the time it will take to sew the bills together, the actual deadline for avoiding it is about a week after they come back from recess. So its in Enzi's best interests to get on the team bus now.
July 30, 2009 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
If Reid does "take over the negotiations", does that mean that Democrats get to participate?
July 30, 2009 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I will say this from my favorite show as a kid:
"Don't hold your don't hold your breath, don't hold your breath."
July 30, 2009 8:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Republicans have one thought and one thought only - KILL IT. You may think they are just stringing Baucus along, but he knows exactly what is going on and, apparently it is fine with him. I'm seeing reconciliation, just like the Republicans did with that stupid tax cut. F them.
July 30, 2009 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I share the opinion that only a strong public option will be capable of getting the premium inflation under control, and sustainable.
July 30, 2009 11:07 PM | Reply | Permalink