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In Beer Summit "Spoof" Milbank Suggests Hillary Drink "Mad Bitch" Beer
In today's episode, Dana Milbank suggests "Mad Bitch" beer would be appropriate for Hilary Clinton. Get it?
If you can't stand to click over, fast forward to about 2 min 35 seconds below.
Late update: The embed seems not to be working, but for now at least you can still see the video here.
Later update: I've replaced the WaPo's embed with a Youtube clip of the same segment.
Latest update: The Post has pulled the video.
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Milbank...dude.
Has there been a more precipitous fall in liberal circles than Mlibank's? This guy's the Dick Morris of the print media. Just waiting for him to go full wingnut, any day now...
July 31, 2009 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
The same very serious reporter who got pissy when the Huffington Post asked President Obama a question about Iran. What a tool.
July 31, 2009 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
yes, Closet Queen Dana, we know who the real mad bitch is.
July 31, 2009 10:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd call it sophomoric bullshit, but that'd be insulting to both sophomores and bullshit.
What's amazing about this is that Milbank and Cilizza obviously must think this is really funny stuff. They should be deeply embarassed.
And Milbank was so put out when Obama called on a blogger? Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
July 31, 2009 2:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The decline of the Post has been shocking to see. I used to go daily, as much as the NYT and I often stayed longer. Did the politics chats.
Now I'm reluctant to even click a link.
July 31, 2009 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's a self-inflicted, horrifically ugly wound.
These are the people who are so eager to shame themselves at any cost, that they run Charles Krauthammer as a featured columnist. It shows determination!
The post is *passionately committed* to forcing their own own self-destruction, in the service of mad-hatter lunatic "ideology." That's their choice, and we must respect it.
July 31, 2009 2:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The whole bit was funny. The crack on HC was a bit much, but the rest was well-done, IMO.
July 31, 2009 2:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Milbank? Is that you?
July 31, 2009 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or his editor...
July 31, 2009 3:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't be his editor, an editor might have noticed GaTes had a Sam Adams Light not a Red Stripe
July 31, 2009 4:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, right -- good catch!
Of course, to be fair, Gates had originally requested Red Stripe, then apparently changed to Sam Adams after receiving criticism from his fellow Bostonians for not promoting the local brand.
July 31, 2009 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
To be fair, it was bad journalism and light beers suck. If you want to drink beer, drink BEER.
July 31, 2009 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh I don't know. I have a Mad Bitch beer with Hilary. I'm sure she has great stories and hell of alot to bitch about as well.
July 31, 2009 3:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
It wasn't as bad as I expected. Afterall, they themselves were drinking Jackass Pale Ale Stout at the end.
I my humble opinion, women need to own the words Bit** and C*** and never allow men to use them again.
July 31, 2009 3:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
jolly,
George Carlin was funny, as was Richard Pryor, Dana Millbank is as funny as a crutch.
July 31, 2009 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
How does Eugene Robinson not get up from his desk, walk over two these two, and slap the taste out of their mouths?
July 31, 2009 3:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ugh. That first "two" should be "to." Not having an edit feature is... poopy.
July 31, 2009 3:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Milbank appears to be a socially inept loser.
July 31, 2009 3:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Appears to be?
July 31, 2009 3:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This guy is the very definition of smug.
July 31, 2009 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Milbank lost me when John Conyers held the Downing Street memo hearing a few years ago.
At the end of the hearing discussing how there was now documented evidence that the war was illegal, etc., one guy stood up and talked about how his son was killed in Iraq -- he'd been guarding the team that was looking for the WMD that Bush and Blair knew all along didn't exist.
The father kept staring at the floor, as if looking up and seeing the sympathetic looks from the people around him would have caused him to spend the rest of his life curled up in a crying non-functional ball.
The next day Milbank wrote about the hearing, and at one point referred to the people there as Conyers and his "playmates."
So yeah, Dana Milbank's been a useless tool for a while now.
July 31, 2009 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
That was pathetic! Not funny, not interesting and certainly LAME!
July 31, 2009 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Washington Post fired Dan Froomkin and retained these two.
What more needs to be said?
July 31, 2009 3:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
When will MSNBC (especially Countdown) stop forcing Chris Sileaza on us? He's got vampire teeth and he's actually fairly stupid. Only in DC can people like this be successful social climbers.
July 31, 2009 11:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. Cringatrocious.
Ah, and the sexist anti-Hillary crack takes me back to the primary, when people like, uh, Josh Marshall were doing the same.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/187620.php
July 31, 2009 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
uh, WTF?
July 31, 2009 3:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
If you have a point about sexism, your link doesn't explicitly support it. You might need to add some context and/or exposition.
July 31, 2009 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you know what to "geld" means?
It means to castrate. You know, Hillary, the castrater. Ha Ha.
July 31, 2009 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, did you put in a link to the dictionary, too? I missed it. I also missed the use of the word geld in the JM piece.
July 31, 2009 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not sexist, cause you didn't know what the word meant?
Oh, and it's in the headline!
For the record, I'd say this wasn't one of the most egregious examples of anti-Hillary sexism, just, you know, a little sexism, if that makes you feel better.
July 31, 2009 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
I did know what the word meant. I also know what projection and asshole mean.
July 31, 2009 5:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
69 recommends on that post. You realize what an uphill climb it'll be to get your point across, don't you?
July 31, 2009 5:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
My bizarre take on the title of the TPM article at the time I first read it, as well as the re-read today, was that the word geld in the piece's title was a ref to the "horse race" that political campaigns are. When a horse is gelded it isn't out of the race, just brought to heel a bit. (It, oddly enough, isn't considered sexist at the track.)
And since you are now qualifying your cavilling with the fact that it isn't an example of "egregious" sexism (whereas I think none is illustrated), what was the point of suggesting there was a comparison?
July 31, 2009 7:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Full disclosure. This was snark on my part in response to the supercilious implication that anyone who could use a computer, and manage to access a comment thread on a blog, might nonetheless be so challenged that they were confounded by a word that is commonly used, and if so, couldn't manage to refer to a compendium of reference material that might help them puzzle through it. A word that wasn't even in the body of the text.
July 31, 2009 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Quite a stretch. It seems that Maggie Williams did the dirty work, but even if one accepts your premise, this is a pretty weak example of anti-Hillary sexism.
July 31, 2009 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Are you kidding?!? This link is not even vaguely akin to the callow, slop video...
July 31, 2009 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, for sure Josh and his staff acted in a sexist manner during the primary -- as your link particularly shows. If a man had fired his chief political operative, I doubt a headline would have implied the man fired may have been castrated.
Hillary, of course, didn't do herself any favors by acting as the uber-militaristic senator from New York.
July 31, 2009 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
And yet, to have done anything less would have subjected her to criticism for being weak, as all women are perceived to be if they don't go militaristic.
July 31, 2009 6:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
A careful reading of Obama prior to the primary showed that he was at least as much of a hawk as Hillary if not more so. His choice of her as Sec. of State confirms this analysis. Further I predicted that he would have us in was involving Pakistan in short order. He never said he was against war -- he said he was against stupid wars.
July 31, 2009 9:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is nonsense. Opprobrium of every stripe came at TPM during the campaign. Josh was a HC hack. Josh was an Obama hack.
Basically, the criticism depended on which candidate was not being cozied up to at the moment. If accolades didn't rain on HC then they were sexist; Obama, racist. One's own corner is incredibly tender and precious. The other guy's is fair game.
July 31, 2009 7:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is really weak.
Because Josh's headline uses the word "gelded", he's calling Hillary a "castrating bitch"?
No, I'm not buying it. Moreover, the general tone of the article doesn't say "castrating bitch", does it?
It's important to recognize sexism when it's there, but also to recognize when it's not there.
July 31, 2009 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
uber militaristic? what nonsense, must really urk you that Obama has turned out to be bushII when it comes to war, Gitmo etc...
August 1, 2009 11:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hillary gelded Penn...how cute is that remark.
BTW, Penn ran such a lousy campaign that more people voted for her.
August 1, 2009 11:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
This offensive video by all rights ought to be subtitled "The Post in Freefall".
What the fuck is wrong with these people, that they should think this is acceptable behavior and work product for journalists? Christ, the National Enquirer holds its reporters to higher standards this this.
July 31, 2009 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
You denigrate the Enquirer by putting it in the same comment as the WaPo.
July 31, 2009 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
And to think that in bygone days I thought Dana Milbank had something to say. Cilizza's always seemed better suited to Entertainment Tonight level stuff. Sad, sad, sad.
July 31, 2009 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Congrats to Keith Olbermann for his firing of Dana Milbank last year.
Now, why does he continue to have Chris Cilizza on Countdown?
July 31, 2009 5:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
seriosuly, does anyone know dana milbank's extension at the washington post?
I'd honestly like to call him up and find out what was funny in that video.
cus that was just plain STUPID.
July 31, 2009 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Back in '05, Milbank viciously mocked John Conyers for attempting to do his job. He confuses vicious & snarky with witty & insightful. I am glad Olbermann got rid of him!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/16/AR2005061601570.html
July 31, 2009 3:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep. That's the one I was talking about. I remember being kind of surprised by it, because he'd had some pretty decent moments before then -- but I've had no use for him since.
July 31, 2009 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
never mind, i found it. on hold now.
July 31, 2009 3:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Milbank and Cilizza must have seen "Chorus Line" one too many times. Notwithstanding the belief that "I Can Do That!", no, Chris and Dan do not have the chops to do comedy. It's just sad and pathetic.
What you are witnessing is the smug sense of entitlement of the arriviste Villager. (But watch and from time to time the underlying fear and uncertainty leaks out through the eyes. Especially Milbank.)
July 31, 2009 3:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
It reminds me of when the conservatives tried to create a comedy show. Just awful. Not funny. Discrediting. Idiotic. Embarrassing. Hard to watch.
A couple of smug yuppies talking about beer. It is one thing if the Red State Update guys were doing this bit but this is everything that regular people hate about liberals.
And how much contempt and disgust do these guys have for the people they cover?
Milibank was much harder to watch than Cillizza
July 31, 2009 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had the misfortune of viewing one of these steaming piles before; via a link posted by Glenn Greenwald. That, too, illustrated how ridiculous this online comedy duo is. They are neither comedians or journalists. This dorky operation is more embarrassing than a junior high school video project. Milbank has proven himself time and again to be a dishonest hack; apparently Cilizza wants to tumble down the plumbing as rapidly as his buddy once did.
July 31, 2009 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
left a message, and not a very polite one either, with my number attached.
maybe dopey will call me back!
July 31, 2009 3:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Awww the return of the dickwhisperer and his little buddy. This isn't good by Youtube's nonstandards. Unfunny. Unoriginal. Maybe the more appropriate beer for these two clowns is Stone Arrogant Bastard Ale.
July 31, 2009 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, Arrogant Bastard has some endearing qualities. Can't say the same for Milbank.
July 31, 2009 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I thought Milbank was the media critic at the Post. Does he actually have political credentials?
July 31, 2009 3:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, Milbank is a political reporter, or at least plays one in the pages of the Post. You must have him confused with someone else.
Hmmm, on Wikipedia just now, I see that Milbank wrote in 2001 that the nickname given him by the president was "not printable in a family publication." "Asshat" maybe? or "Shithead"? I guess even George Bush had him pegged.
July 31, 2009 6:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Summary: We're so hip we know about all the whimsically-named microbrews. Also, we're kind of racist.
July 31, 2009 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
But ... but ... these are Serious People!
Don't you all know that bloggers are the ones who are the foul-mouthed, unprofessional, adhering-to-no-standards amateurs who have no business reporting on ... well, anything? Meanwhile, Millbank and Cilizza are professionals who have years of training and experience and ...
Okay. I can't keep that up (which I'm sure Millbank says on a regular basis).
Seriously -- WTF happened at the Post? It used to be respectable, full of good, honest reporting. Now? Well, this. And Kristol. And Will. And pretty much any conservative who wants to lie and have it given the WaPo's seal of approval.
It's disgusting and sad at the same time ...
July 31, 2009 4:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Lighten up.
So it wasn't *funny*, but at least it was relatively playful with the wide array of beer names (regardless of whether these guys are tools)
They missed one, though: Mitt Romney would be served the very real beer from SLC, "Polygamy Porter". The company has some nice t-shirts, as well. It's good beer. And that's coming from somebody who lives in the MicroBrew capital of the world (Portland, OR).
July 31, 2009 4:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
I can be slow, so just to make sure I get this straight.
According to Ed Henry, a Press Secretary must be so deferential to ex-Vice Presidents that even humorous jabs are disallowed.
According to Dana Milbank, ex-First Ladies and current Secretaries of State are fair game for being directly referred to as "bitches."
Stealing one from John Cole: there must be a huge, obvious difference between these two people. I'm sure it it's right in front of me but for the life of me I just can't see it.
July 31, 2009 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only thing Milbank parodies is himself. And at that I must say he is very proficient.
July 31, 2009 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Geez. What a fucking asshole.
I kind of wonder why TPM wants to give this crap a wider audience. All this does is boost his number of views. I don't have to watch to know Millbank is an asshat.
July 31, 2009 4:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
That we could go from Walter Cronkite to these two in the span of my lifetime is deeply, deeply tragic.
July 31, 2009 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Cronkite was, probably, one of the better people to make it to the top of the business, but let us not go overboard with the reverence again.
He was not all that exceptional, unbiased nor immune from influence -- plus crap "journalism" and agenda-based reporting has existed forever, it was in fact pretty much the SOP since the early days of the business -- it is just that we have much better information and records on the misdeeds and failings of the current generation of newspersons.
July 31, 2009 6:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm not saying Cronkite was perfect. But I'm pretty sure he never covered a water-skiing squirrel as news. I'm also pretty certain he never called a sitting Senator an "elf" or a Secretary of anything a "bitch."
July 31, 2009 7:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
was this supposed to be funny?
ignoring the slight against anyone by the beer suggestion given, this is simply a horribly stupid and boring premise for a single joke, much less several minutes worth.
July 31, 2009 6:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
No matter how much you disliked HRC in the primary, the behavior of Milbank (and Cillizza for even being) there is utterly disgusting. Milbank should be fired, along with Weymouth, the publisher. (The video has been taken down so I couldn't watch Cillizza's performance, but he was an accomplice) Weymouth, after "Salongate" and now this, is a complete disgrace to the memory of Katharine Graham. She is ignorant and shallow and the real b**** in all this.
Advertisers can pick and chose in this economy and I would suggest they chose to advertise somewhere else. The paper is going straight into the gutter. Any respectable journalist can find decent work on the blogs.
July 31, 2009 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
To think of the sexist crap that Katherine Graham put up with. She must be rolling over in her grave.
July 31, 2009 6:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Gosh that was long. It would have been funny if they killed it after 30 seconds. Where's that editor when you need them.
The Mad Bitch part was a little offensive but it's really hard to work up outrage when we have so many bigger things to worry about.
It's just a failed attempt at humor. I know Milbanks is a prick, but come on, don't I think TPM is trying to hard.
July 31, 2009 7:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I sent this to the WaPo ombudsman:
July 31, 2009 7:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Very good!
July 31, 2009 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Even though it's Friday evening, I'm going to email their Ombudsman now before the site shuts down due to overload. I think it will be futile, but worth a try. Thanks for doing this!
July 31, 2009 8:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Media Matters archived the video. It's available here:
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907310026
July 31, 2009 8:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
So calling Hillary a bitch is wrong again? Good to know. So hard to stay current on the ethics of progressives nowadays.
July 31, 2009 9:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
PUMAs rule!1!11!!!!1!!
Why don't you tell us about what an inadequate black man Obama is? That never fails to amuse.
July 31, 2009 10:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh grow up.
August 1, 2009 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bite me.
August 4, 2009 5:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
When was it right? Fighting strawmen is unbecoming.
August 1, 2009 3:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Seriously, it wasn't that long ago that a media person calling Hillary a bitch was not considered sexist or wrong by some progressives. Just saying.
August 1, 2009 8:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, that is, lemme count, 2 people, 3-4 trolls and a couple people complaining about a gender double standard. With overwhelming condemnation, as was the case with the McCain "town hall" utterance.
Interestingly, your comment there deals a bit in the exceedingly American way of considering (bad) words as meaningful in themselves, and conversely not registering -- or pretending not to -- the meaning behind euphemisms.
So, anyway, please do not pretend it was some all-out misogynistic hatefest on Clinton.
In the interest of fairness, I shall make a point of explicitly denouncing Milbank's comments, so that there is no ambiguity: they were not in any way funny but, then, he usually is not. There was no reasonable (nor absurdist) construct by which the "joke" could have been considered more sophisticated than what it seems on the face of it: thuggish blather from a very small person (and no, that is not a gender- or height-oriented reference.)
August 1, 2009 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Progressives have no ethics. They prove it every day. They are Pavlovian creatures.
August 1, 2009 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
well said.
IT is hard to believe the filth that comes out of so-called 'progressives" this last year or so.
August 1, 2009 4:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
yeah, sexism in the media, by Obama and his supporters, just fine. Sexism by two lame fratboy bloggers .... oh the fake outrage.
Now look what you have done, you have awakened the imaginary racism crew.
they seem to no understand that a man can be inadequate even if he is black, his blackness having nothing to do with it.
August 1, 2009 11:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
IMHO, this sexist reference from WaPo was intensely disrespectful of Hillary Clinton and the paper should run an apology.
July 31, 2009 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm trying to imagine the outcry that would have followed if these guys had done something similar about Condoleeza Rice.
But no, it's about Hillary, so that makes it OK apparently.
August 1, 2009 12:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is there a Loudmouth Snot beer for Milbank to drink?
August 1, 2009 4:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Really? Can't we let jokes be jokes?
If people push too hard against speech/opinions/humor they don't like* we'll be left with nothing but USA today and Good Morning America.
*I say "don't like" because that's what's going on, since the silly comment about bitchy-beer can't possibly offend a rational adult mind.
August 2, 2009 1:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, we definitely can let "jokes be jokes," even sophomoric ones. This was not a joke. It was privileged tiny-minded frat boys auditioning for the remake of "Animal House" at other people's expense. Oh yeah, and jokes are supposed to be funny. Did your "rational adult mind" find this funny?
August 2, 2009 2:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
So there is no place left we can see the video... even from the journalistic sources... that doesn't sound like freedom of speech. I would have liked to have been able to draw my own conclusion about it.
August 5, 2009 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink