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Reid: No Vote On Health Care Before August Recess

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says there will be no health care vote before August recess. According to the Associated Press, Reid says the Finance Committee will finish its legislation soon, and its bill will be merged with the HELP Committee's bill, before the Senate adjourns in two weeks.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told reporters Thursday the Finance Committee will act on its portion of the bill before Congress' monthlong break. Then Reid will merge that bill with separate legislation already passed by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee.

The Nevada Democrat says the decision to delay a vote was made Wednesday night in the hopes of getting a final bipartisan bill.

\Reid also veered off the President's script. "The Republicans have asked for more time, and I don't think it's unreasonable," Reid said.

President Obama has been pretty clear in recent days that Republican calls for more time are rooted in a desire to kill the legislation--a gambit which he characterizes as an endorsement of the status quo. But, for now, they appear to be getting their way.


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Thank you Mr. Reid. Once again, you show how incompetent you are. I am sure this will have consequences. American need help, and they need medical insurance now. Enough is enough. People have elected President Obama to run this country, they have not elected the party of NO to run this country,

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We need to march on Washington and shut the town down. This is a crime against humanity of epic proportions.

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Can't you read? They're already shutting that town down to go on vacation!

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Let's hope they have a great, relaxing and healthy vacation, while tens of thousands lose there health insurense.

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Goodbye, healthcare reform. We barely knew you.

Harry Reid = Charlie Brown. Republicans = Lucy. And Reid never learns. Or so it appears.

The bipartisan unity pony is a myth, Senator Reid. The Republicans and some Democrats aren't going to support meaningful reform. So your quest for bipartisanship and 60 votes will kill health care reform. Congratulations.

If the situation doesn't change, I imagine that Dems are going to get hammered in 2010.

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Oh, if any of you would like to call Reid's DC office and politely opine on this decision, here's the number:

202-224-3542

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Once again, Reid shows how he lives without a spine. How much you wanna bet this 'bipartisan bill' includes savaging the public option?

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I am beginning to think there are probably 10-15 Senators who truly are in the "Democratic Party." The rest are DINO's representing corporate interests.

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Harry says, "recess". I say, Article 2, Section 3. "...he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper...

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Oh my! But that would be soooo inconvenient to Reid's rethug pals in the Senate!

After all, we're only talking about people's lives and life savings here. Plenty of time........

*sob*

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So do I understand this right-- does the President actually have the power to prevent the Senate from going to recess, even if Reid wants to?

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Once again Reid shows his completely calcium deprived spine, and caves in to his rethug pals.

With a majority leader like Reid, who needs enemies?

And doing this the same night of Obama's national televised speech and call to move forward : priceless.

Reid / Pelosi must go.

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Why Pelosi? She is much more progressive that Reid and much tougher in running the House, although, admittedly, it's easier to do than the Senate. What's more, the likely alternatives to her in the House are likely to be more conservative.

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Pelosi is doing her job just fine. She even said she might hold the House in session into their much needed "vacation". Reid is being pulled into this bipartisan bullshit and doesn't have the balls to just lay down the law. If a few Senators get their feathers ruffled and a few million Americans get their lives saved ..... WTF?

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Why is Reid still Majority Leader??? "Leadership" as listless and incompetent as this would provoke a backbench revolt in any other system, but not in the United States Senate. Nope, Reid will afflict us until he successfully shepherds us out of the majority or the voters of NV finally wise us and decide to kick "Miss Hathaway" into retirement.

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Miss Hathaway, that is priceless!

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He's the punching bag the rest of the DINO worms can hide behind. Very convenient for DINO's to blame the spineless one.

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"The Republicans have asked for more time" to kill any meaningful semblance of health care reform and Harry Reid doesn't think it's "unreasonable."

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Reid: hear us loud and clear...resign your position as majority leader! You failed to deliever the President's highest priority and the American People's greatest need. How many will continue to lose coverage, be denied coverage and DIE!

You sir, are an embarrassment and a sham!

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Harry, GTFO!

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Reid is utterly useless.

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To quote another Harry (Truman, that is), "Damn them all to hell. When the history is written, they will be the sons of bitches."

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This is a disaster. Both Speaker Pelosi and President Obama were ready to forgo August, and continue working. And Harry Reid torpedoes them both and completely burns them in one fell swoop.

Doesn't he realize what he just did? To both the Speaker and the President? He just sold the leaders of his own party down the river. For what? To MAYBE pick up a Republican vote or two?

Doesn't he realize what this looks like, to any reasonable person on the outside looking in?

This scumbag has been in the Senate TOO LONG. He thinks the entire world revolves around both him and his precious Senate.

I've defended him in the past, but no longer.

This guy has GOT TO GO!!!

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He has torpedoed his own president, and the Speaker. All to placate Republicans who are NOT GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT ANYWAY.

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Reid is a hot mess, yes. But I don't think - or I hope- he didn't make this statement without first talking with Pelosi and Obama.

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Let's flood his office with calls. If he calls recess without a vote he won't see another dollar from us. How dare they.

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Baucus has had plenty of time to produce a bill...

This is effing criminal.

I've called Reid's DC office twice and communicated two angry messages demanding that he keep them going through the recess and that he keeps a public option in (it's in the HELP committee bill but not in the Baucus bill).

I am so pissed I can barely see straight.

These f*ckers have a "gateway" insurance system where they can choose between 15 options (as an aide told me yesterday)...

And they can't protect the American people against the "healthcare" crooks who deny us coverage, delay payment, increase deductibles... and are making record profits?

I'm going to keep calling the bastard.

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I posted same in the Cafe, but it bears repeating here:

It seems obvious to me that Congress choosing to delay the Aug. recess to pass health care bills would be a HUGE political winner.

Put aside the policy implications for a moment and just think about the optics. Congress is giving up their summer vacations to complete the work of the people. Democrats have been saying for years that addressing health care is one of the most crucial issues confronting us today. Delaying recess would symbolize how serious the Dems are about solving the problem in a way that Joe Sixpack could readily understand.

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The big question is this:

Does the GOP "win" by delaying this and building opposition to kill it?

OR

Is Obama winning by "conceding" some artificial deadline but ultimately prevail. In that case, the GOP "victory" here is a mirage.

Anyone care to venture a guess? The pundits and experts are all over the map on healh care's chance.

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I think the only positive thing that I can see from this development is that after the recess, Democrats can simply say to Republicans and Blue Dogs: you asked for the delay, you got it, now we're moving on. No more delays.

That's the only thing.

But I think, sadly, that the Republicans and Blue Dogs have managed to kill meaningful reform with this. And Harry Reid helped them right along.

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60 votes, and it's meaningless. Why do we bother having elections?

I hope Prez O isn't feeling as defeated as I am today, and orders these Corporate whores to stay in session.

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I hear you. Reid is a disaster for Democrats at this point. The headlines will all scream "Dems can't get it done; blow to Obama", and they'll have an entire month to echo that.

This is disheartening, to put it mildly.

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imo, the issue is that during the recess, the coporate-owned and protected media will be able to deluge America with their lies and propaganda and people will not be able to sort it out...

Remember, when a lie is repeated often enough it becomes the truth... see www.mediamatters.org website for details of how this is going on RIGHT NOW.

I have friends and family sending me questions every day that are clearly Repub lies... and trying to refute them effectively can be tough... if people here something often enough coming through their TVs... they start to believe it.

This is why this can not stand.

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You're absolutely right. A month of distortions and lies. Reid, the Republicans and the DINOs have just killed meaningful reform.

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How do you know?

I wonder why there is certainty that a recess will allow the opponents to kill it.

Surely, the insurance companies could have been airing ads in the past 6 months, no? Nothing was stopping them from starting then. It's not like they've not been trying, and are just now deciding, hey, let's kill this thing.

They can and have run ads while Congress is in session.

Many Americans are on vacation in August or outdoors.

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I'd be delighted to be proven wrong, but Democrats have, for the most part, proven to be susceptible to pressure from Republicans and the media.

As for August being the time when people are on vacation or outdoors--yeah, the outdoors part is reasonable, but on vacation? In this economy? And in any event, that didn't stop the Swiftboat campaign...they only played 3 ads in the month of August, and yet look at the impact because of the constant repetition by cable news.

And my prediction is that when the Senate reconvenes, it'll be the public option that gets sacrificed. So I think the whole thing is meaningless at this point. The Republicans, a distinct minority, have won.

Sorry to be such a downer.

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I hope you are wrong. But there are so many moving parts, that it is hard to be certain at this point.

Look, if the opponents could have filled the airwaves with ads, they would have done that already.

Opponents don't need to wait til a recess to attack. Anything they could do in August, they could do in July.

I wonder if Obama was just trying to apply some psychological pressure, as in, "nobody leaves this room until we have a deal".

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Just get it done! The debate has been going on for years and years! We all know the score. It would be excellent for the Congress to forget their vacation and get the work done first. That is a winner with public opinion for sure.

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Obama said last night that if deadlines aren't set in this town, nothing gets done. So it's possible that August was an artificial deadline.

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The August deadline was clearly a mirage. You have to be a fool to demand that Congress/Senate pass a bill by "Date X" and honestly have "Date X" be the last moment possible.

I think what Obama is getting from the Congress/Senate is acceptable. All the committee work will be done, and the committee bills will be merged by the August recess. So when they come back from recess they can begin debating the bills.

There is no way these bills would have left the committees before the August recess had Obama not insisted on a deadline.

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Phone lines appear to be down now... can't get through... bastard

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Well, if you're in the mood to call, call the White House and let them know how this maneuver is sitting with you:

202-456-1111

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Reid has power because the rest of the senate Democrats choose to give it to him. THEY are the problem and THEY are to blame for this pathetic excuse of a Democrat because, collectively, they are just as pathetic as Reid is.

Primary challengers are needed for these quislers.

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If you want to blast him an email (I'm about to), here's the link:

http://reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm

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Done. Not sure how much impact a New England liberal's opinion will have on Reid, but worth a shot, especially if its in his inbox with about 10,000 other similar emails.

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Harry Reid is a spineless weasel. However he's untouchable as the GOP knows he's the gift that keeps on giving. Get rid of his buddy Specter in 2010! Rep. Sestak MUST WIN!!!

Reid's Nevada war chest is too big for a realistic primary challenge, and the GOP will NEVER run a viable candidate against him because they know Reid is a bought-and-paid-for Republican mole. The only hope at removing Reid from power is to take out his good 'ol boys network and that starts with Arlen Specter in 2010.

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We heard all these arguments against getting Obama elected and we still did it. If we can beat a uphill battle in a primary and win the national election, we certainly can be a presence in a state election.

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I think if Barack Obama isn't able to get real reform into the health care bill that provides a public option to compete with the bloated, ineffective, inefficient for-profit disaster that is now in place he should *not* sign the bill.

After 40-50 million more Americans go bankrupt and/or lose their healthcare over the next several years we will come back and get real reform.

Of course, in the process the US will continue to drop off in terms of economic strength and standard of living; but what hell - we are such a stupid-*** country that we deserve it anyway.

The right keeps catering to greed and using FUD to convince the middle class to continue to destroy itself...

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Reid doesn't care about phone calls or emails - he's going to be re-elected because the GOP are not going to run anybody against him. Hes just like Specter - it's all about staying elected and keeping power.

He's unbeatable in Nevada and there is too many good 'ol boys in the Senate Dem Caucus who believe Reid cannot be challenged (because they are all waiting their rightful turn).

Specter MUST GO! Vote Rep. Sestak!!

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Reid needs to start worrying whether he will get re-elected to the Senate if he fails. The Republicans aren't trying to defeat Obama, they are trying to retake control of Congress in 2010. As far as I'm concerned, the Democratic Congress jobs are all on the line if they fail to deliver. And what committee is Baucus going to chair if Congess loses the majority? We need to make it clear, you quit on us and we quit on you.

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Fuck you, Harry.

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No money should be donated to the DCCC or any member of the Democratic Congress until this bill is passed and signed by Obama! Let the DCCC know we won't support these blue dogs and the health industry's congress any longer. If the representatives who need this bill and donations to survive the next election put pressure on the others maybe we will get something done.

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Don't even waste any time worrying about it: there will be no meaningful health care reform. In the unlikely event that Congress manages to pass something, it will be so watered down and so shot through with loopholes and special provisions for the existing health care industrial complex that it will be no help whatsoever for the vast majority of those currently without health care.

And the Democrats—especially the most ineffectual, incompetent, feckless, and flaccid Senate Majority Leader in U.S. history — deserve every bit as much of the blame as the Rethuglicans, if not more.

Fuck. Them. All.

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And how exactly is your pessimism and naysaying helping?

"Let's throw in the towel".

I don't think so.

Quitting is for cowards, and for Sarah Palin.

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Pelosi is keeping open her house, but Reid needs to fall in line. Rich people love their vacation. I think that is a family value. The idea of "no vacation" will pressure them more than a threat of an election.

Reid needs to go.

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I'm sure they all have beach houses reserved and such and don't want to lose their deposit. It's good to know where their priorities are.

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Well golly, somebody's got to protect ultra-wealthy Americans from nuisance tax increases. If the Senate doesn't do it, who will?

It only makes sense that the way to fund health care reform to ease costs that are crushing America's middle class is to shift the burden of paying for it all to the middle class. No?

Good ol' Senate. Nobody can protect the status quo quite like they can. No matter how bad it sucks.

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I called the office and told the clerk that I considered the Senator shiftless, spineless and seriously deluded if he thought that by delaying the health care vote that he would get to 60, and that he needs meds (and badly).

I also said that the "Blue Cross" Dems would NOT change their minds and support health care with the delay, and neither would most of the Republicans who are determined that this bill not pass at all.

I'm disgusted with this moron. And I truly wish that there were somebody here in Nevada with a backbone who could challenge him in the primary so I could vote for them. I am truly disappointed by Harry Reid.

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Go watch Obama at the town hall in Ohio. Especially the Q & A - that is the town hall ABC should have had.

Asked about the recess: Okay with delay as long as Congress is doing meaningful work on the bill. Not delay for the sake of delay.

Asked what we can do to get health care passed: Keep up the pressure, contact your members of Congress

Asked if this is too much too soon: Stated that August was never the final date for a bill. Even if the House and Senate came through before the recess, he would still have to wait until after the recess for the bill to be reconciled, sent back, voted on, etc. So his real deadline was this Fall.

On a side note: msnbc, cnn, and fox carried his opening remarks but as soon as the Q&A began both FOX and MSNBC cut it off. CNN ran it until his final goodbye.

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I know some of my fellow Minnesotans will be upset with me for this, but we've got a senator who is trying to polish her blue dog credentials by dragging her feet, hemming and hawing, and making ridiculous sounds about "I want to take a closer look at this. I don't want health care reform to affect the great health care that we get in Minnesota." Or something to that effect. I'd like to remind Sen. Klobuchar of one of our residents, Bill McGuire, and his company, United Health. And I'd like her to take a good long look at how much money they've raked in, where it's gone, and how many claims they denied to fatten up the old bottom line.

Great health care in Minnesota? After the governor just kicked 30,000 of the poorest and most vulnerable people off of General Assistance Medical Care? How many middle class Minnesota residents are going to max out their credit cards, file for bankruptcy, exhaust their retirement savings, or lose their house just to cover health care costs while you ponder and posture, Senator?

/rant

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What a wimp!!!! Not to mention a damn fool! Get him outta there!! But I also ready Obama has not changed his time table. He may tell them to stay over.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/23/756891/-Obama-to-Congress:-Stay-and-Work

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Folks, Harry Reid really isn't the problem. It's the entire government! You replace Reid and another one will "pop up" and take his place in an instant. The gov't from Obama on down is corrupt - bought and paid for by the elite, corporations, and Wall Street bankers! Its like a multi-headed monster in a science fiction movie that instantly spawns another head when one has been decapitated. It keeps coming back for more until it finally is victorious. The only way to kill it is to drive a stake over and over through its rotten "heart" until it takes it last dying breath, and then slam it in again just to make sure. What do you do after its dead? ... You start over with a new government and use the last one as an example of what happens if whoever you elected even thinks about it!

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Bingo! My epiphany was on the Iraq War Resolution and the utter absurdity of believing that Senators who were mostly trained as attorneys couldn't tell the difference between evidence and bafflegab. I haven't believed a thing I've heard out of either party's leadership since. I know I'm hugely cynical but I think it's dangerous not to be.

The problem is very serious. It has impacts behind politics. I think it's destroying the capacity of the agencies to function effectively regardless of which party is in the majority.

We're likely to get a populist revolt before long and if we can't do something soon, it's likely to come from the right.

I think a guy like Franken is in the game for the right reasons, but most of them aren't or if they are they are incompetent.

We need to recruit some people to come into government and make a personal sacrifice to serve their country in the bureaucracy and in the Congress not for life but for long enough to try to turn this ship around.

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Harry never fails to fail.

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Two words: "General Strike".

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I agree with the call for a March on Washington. I'm ready to do it. Can we organize one for early September? We have to shame them into doing the right things.

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The Democrats are incapable of governing. As others have noted, I'm demoralized. If they cannot get something done when they control both houses, what hope is there. This is pathetic. Obama needs to find some way to employ some muscle to get these guys in line. This is extremely disappointing...

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It is time. If we want the change we voted for in 2006 and 2008, we need to expend ALL OUR RESOURCES in defeating Harriet "Magic Underwear" Reid. It doesn't matter if we have 60 or even 70 senate votes when the Senate "Leader" is a loser. This should be our SOLE FOCUS in 2010.

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