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Bachmann: Fight Against Health Care Bill Will Be Won "On Our Knees In Prayer And Fasting"
Eric Kleefeld | August 25, 2009, 10:59AM
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Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) made an interesting appeal to conservative activists last week on a telephone town hall hosted by the conservative Susan B. Anthony List, the Minnesota Independent reports: To help stop the Democrats' health care bill, through the power of fasting and intercessionary prayer.
Bachmann praised Sarah Palin for raising the alarm about "death panels" that would deny any health care to the elderly and mentally disabled. "Thank God that Sarah Palin said that," said Bachmann. "These are true." Bachmann also warned against the government forcing doctors to perform abortions, and urged callers to oppose it with all their energies -- and their prayers.
"That's really where this battle will be won -- on our knees in prayer and fasting," said Bachmann. "Remember: faith without works is dead. So we're asking you to do all of it: pray, fast, believe, trust the Lord, but also act."
It should be noted that prayer and fasting both have a prominent place in Bachmann's political career. Back in 2006, she publicly discussed how she and her husband made sure that God really was calling her to run for Congress:
"And then in the midst of that calling, God then called me to run for the United States Congress. And I thought, 'what in the world would that be for?' And my husband said, 'You need to do this,' and I wasn't so sure. And we took three days and we fasted and we prayed, and we said, 'Lord is this what You want? Is this Your will?' And after the -- along about the afternoon of day two, He made that calling sure. And it's been now 22 months that I've been running for United States Congress. Who in their right mind would spent two years to run for a job that lasts for two years? You'd have to be absolutely a fool to do that. You are now looking at a fool for Christ. This is a fool for Christ."
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Chris
August 25, 2009 11:03 AM
She'll be on her knees i'm sure.
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Xantar
August 25, 2009 11:18 AM in reply to Chris
I can't believe where my brain went on reading this comment. Someone get the brain bleach!
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Obama1st
August 25, 2009 11:08 AM
A fool for christ's sakes!
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commie atheist
August 25, 2009 1:47 PM in reply to Obama1st
More like Liars for Christ.
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AdAbsurdum
August 25, 2009 11:13 AM
Fasting is sooo Muslim, Michelle.
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714Day
August 25, 2009 1:49 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Or Papist. Feh!
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jeffgee
August 25, 2009 1:59 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
She's fasting during Ramadan. Does that make her a Muslim?
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tiowally
August 25, 2009 2:00 PM in reply to AdAbsurdum
Dear Michelle: Ramadan 2009 started Friday, the 21st of August and will continue for 30 days until Saturday, the 19th of September. Please wear a burka. Oh, wait, I meant ball gag.
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JohnW1141
August 25, 2009 11:15 AM
Bachmann says;
If you do "all of it" why the need to act?
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slb
August 25, 2009 1:42 PM in reply to JohnW1141
Belt and suspenders?
In any event, they will probably succeed in preventing death panels and forced abortions, since those aren't part of any bill, or even remotely contemplated by any health care reform advocate!
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Schmed
August 25, 2009 11:24 AM
OT: how does uber-feminist Susan B. Anthony get her name coopted by ultra right stooges?
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slb
August 25, 2009 1:35 PM in reply to Schmed
I was wondering the very same thing!!
Hmmm, but this passage from the Wikipedia article about her may be a clue:
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commie atheist
August 25, 2009 1:53 PM in reply to slb
A familiar wingnut meme is that Anthony was pro-life (of course, that label had absolutely no relevance in Anthony's time). However, her position was a little more complicated then they portray it:
In her writings, Susan B. Anthony occasionally mentioned abortion. Susan B. Anthony opposed abortion which at the time was an unsafe medical procedure for women, endangering their health and life. She blamed men, laws and the "double standard" for driving women to abortion because they had no other options. ("When a woman destroys the life of her unborn child, it is a sign that, by education or circumstances, she has been greatly wronged." 1869) She believed, as did many of the feminists of her era, that only the achievement of women's equality and freedom would end the need for abortion. Anthony used her anti-abortion writings as yet another argument for women's rights.
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/anthonysusanb/a/anthony.htm
Anyway, hasn't Bachmann already come out as pro-choice?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/bachmann-no-government-control-over-my-body.php
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commie atheist
August 25, 2009 1:58 PM in reply to commie atheist
Another good take on Anthony's views:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/opinion/13schiff.html
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714Day
August 25, 2009 1:51 PM in reply to Schmed
Like the party of "Lincoln" uses the author of the Emancipation Proclamation as the poster person for modern racists.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
August 25, 2009 11:26 AM
Sometimes you have to set aside the laughter and just contemplate how horrifying she truly is as a political phenomonon. She's every bit as dangerously delusional as any of the 9/11 hijackers were, and yet she's a member of the United States Congress. And, indeed, in her own crazy way, a bit of a political star.
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JohnW1141
August 25, 2009 11:33 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
The Commenter,
what does it say about her constituents?
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Schmed
August 25, 2009 11:38 AM in reply to JohnW1141
You mean the Timothy McVeigh wing of the looney right?
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slb
August 25, 2009 1:44 PM in reply to Schmed
Timothy McVeigh was badly misguided, but he was still rational. Bachmann is not even part of the same reality as most of the rest of us.
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714Day
August 25, 2009 1:53 PM in reply to slb
Wow. Rational people blow up populated buildings?!?
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slb
August 25, 2009 2:16 PM in reply to 714Day
I did say he was badly misguided!
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lousgirl84
August 25, 2009 4:50 PM in reply to slb
Timothy McVeigh rational!!! Blowing up buildings and killing people to prove some type of ideology is rational? I am sure you misspoke
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
August 25, 2009 4:15 PM in reply to JohnW1141
It's a lesson in the perils of gerrymandering. There are two basic techniques that get used, "packing" and "cracking." The state legislators try to "crack" areas where members of the opposing party predominate into districts where they'll be in the minority or "pack" them into districts where they'll be highly highly concentrated thereby minimizing the number of districts the other side's voters can affect.
"Cracking" is risky because it produces districts that can end up flipping due to demographic changes between one census and the next. "Packing" is risky because it can produce Bachmanns. It concentrates the crazy.
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Minne sconsin
August 25, 2009 5:10 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
You've got it reversed. The district is the result of packing (your terms) the twin cities urban centers into very liberal areas. One is represented by Keith Ellison. I'm not sure that's concentrating the crazy.
Bachmann's district is, as you put it, cracked. It's really a quite purple district. Bachmann has only won her seat due to a strong (~10%) showing from the alleged Independence Party.
Bottom line tho - if MN districts 2-6 were fairly drawn, they would be 6 Democrats not 3+3. Kline, Paulsen & Bachmann would be history.
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jeffgee
August 25, 2009 1:56 PM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Everything she says is news. So the crazy's working for her.
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nova voter
August 25, 2009 11:44 AM
i think i'm going to invent Crazy trading cards. they will be like baseball or football cards, only with pictures of crazy people on them. on the back, there will be important crazy-related statistics and fun facts about the crazy person pictured on the front of the card. i think that mabye among the stats will be something called the "Batshit Quotient," which will be calculated based on a series of mathematical equations and crazy-comprising qualities.
bachmann's rookie card is going to cost a FORTUNE.
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 1:34 PM in reply to nova voter
How can someone be a rookie and also be such a seasoned professional. An All-Star indeed...
Perhaps a playing card setwould work better, w/ Bachmanm, Palin, Steele and Inhofe as the Ace cards.
Any suggestions for high value Facecards...
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slb
August 25, 2009 1:46 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
Shall we make Joe Lieberman the joker?
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 1:59 PM in reply to slb
The intention was a Crazy Deck of Cards.
Not, opportunistic, turncoat, sore loser, ugly piece of Sh*t cards...
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slb
August 25, 2009 2:17 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
Too bad. Lieberman sort of looks like a joker.
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JohnC
August 25, 2009 3:19 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
Facecards for your deck:
Jack(*sses): limbaugh, o'reilly, hannity, beck
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 3:59 PM in reply to JohnC
Queens: Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Rep. Virginia Foxx R-NC, and Rick Sanatorum
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Kamil
August 25, 2009 4:09 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
Larry Craig has got to be one of the queens. I vote for Malkin, Coulter, Craig, and Sanatorum.
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 5:09 PM in reply to Kamil
That works... we could bump Foxx to one of the Kings, w/ Cheney, Gingrich, and Sessions.
seems we got the face cards covered...
Between the Fox news crew and the GOP house caucus filling out the remaining 40 or so slots should take little effort...
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tiowally
August 25, 2009 5:29 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
Since it's a crazy (51-card) deck, I propose changing the three 10s to 0 cards. Bush can be 0 of clubs, Yoo 0 of spades, Addington 0 of hearts.
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 5:49 PM in reply to tiowally
I'm Conflicted on whether Yoo and Addington were/are "Crazy" or just blindly following and enabling the crazies. There are some real nutcases in the House that it would be ashame to overlook in the Crazy dept.
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tiowally
August 25, 2009 6:46 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
Deck isn't set yet. Bush is definitely a 0 card.
Quick recap:
Aces: Bachmann, Palin, Steele, Inhofe (jonny 5)
Kings: Foxx, Cheney, Gingrich, and Sessions (jonny 5)
Queens: Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC), Rick Sanatorum (jonny 5)
or Malkin, Coulter, Craig, Sanatorum (Kamil)
or Coulter, Craig, Santorum, Graham (tiowally)
Jack(*sses): Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck (JohnC)
0s (no 10s in 51-card deck; 3 zero cards): Bush 0 of clubs, Yoo 0 of spades, Addington 0 of hearts.
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tiowally
August 25, 2009 6:55 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
There are some real nutcases in the House that it would be a shame to overlook in the Crazy dept. Like Jean Schmidt.
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tiowally
August 25, 2009 2:40 PM in reply to nova voter
I trust it will be a deck of 51.
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 3:55 PM in reply to tiowally
Nice call...
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tiowally
August 25, 2009 6:27 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
The crazy deck will obviously include a card advertising the "Opportunistic, Turncoat, Sore Loser, Ugly Piece of Sh*t" deck, featuring Joe Lieberman. This limited edition deck will consist only of double-sided (two-faced) face cards, naturally.
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tiowally
August 25, 2009 6:47 PM in reply to tiowally
This could be a matched set with the Arlen Specter edition.
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The Old Grouch
August 25, 2009 11:50 AM
Go ahead. Fast, Michele. Take Bobby Sands as your model.
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thomas1
August 25, 2009 3:35 PM in reply to The Old Grouch
snap!
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Rich in NJ
August 25, 2009 12:42 PM
An immoral person praying to defeat a moral imperative. Oh, the irony.
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cdk
August 25, 2009 12:50 PM
Two days of fasting, and I'll be hallucinating a call from God, too.
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Clavis
August 25, 2009 1:08 PM
I encourage Michelle Bachmann and her followers to fast as long as possible in order to ensure their success. I recommend a fasting program lasting approximate one month, wherein these people eat nothing but their own Bibles, and drink only sea water, just like Jesus walked on. By the end of the month, they will no longer have to worry about government-run healthcare.
Seriously, though, if you want another example of what toxic garbage religion is in the 21st century, look no further than the lurid, obscene nonsense that pours from Michelle Bachmann's deluded little mouth on a regular basis. This woman is in office because of how many people buy into her sociopathic outlook.
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chimpale
August 25, 2009 1:10 PM
I know there are Democratic strategists who would probably advise against this, but I really and truly think that the candidate debates for her congressional seat should be a forum on Michele Bachmann's total detachment from reality. I think that every single opportunity to quote her and put her on the spot to defend her lunatic ravings, set in contrast with reality, should be taken.
The continuous laughter from the audience alone would make it worthwhile.
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Tank
August 25, 2009 2:50 PM in reply to chimpale
If Democratic strategists don't like it, that's the first clue it's probably a worthwhile idea. As for fasting, given the girth of a typical teabagger, that may be one steep hill to climb. Instead of fasting, maybe she should have suggested a good off-road vehicle ride to, you know, think about stuff.
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indianadave
August 25, 2009 1:16 PM
I used to think all the attention she and Palin get was a pain in the a**. Now I begin to think it will get people so mad at their crazy ramblings, maybe the Republicans might not pick up seats in 2010. (I hope)
I know for sure they won't have any of my support.
I would rather give my last dime to the Democrats, than have these morons in charge.
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xargaw
August 25, 2009 1:19 PM
What faith is this woman? Christ told us to care for the sick, the poor, the widows and orphans. Actually, I am pretty sure that Christ would have been a socialist. Why is it that the most vocal so-called evangelicals and fundamentalists in the country are the ones that spew the "every man for himself conservative politics?" The profess to follow a Christ that preached exactly the opposite of what they stand for.
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merlot
August 25, 2009 1:25 PM in reply to xargaw
Amen.
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slb
August 25, 2009 2:13 PM in reply to xargaw
I was channeling that same thought earlier today! "As ye have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, ye have done it unto me." If the real Jesus were to appear in the US today, they'd lock him up in a detention center and deport him. Or maybe even send him to Guantanamo Bay.
I think a lot of these guys follow the C Street version of Christ, where the message is basically, "Them that's got shall get," and "The meek shall eat dust." If there is such a thing as an antichrist, it would be C Street's version.
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Hank Scorpio
August 25, 2009 3:04 PM in reply to slb
At the very least, if the real Jesus appeared in a MINN town today, Bachmann would probably call the cops to have them check out this hippie-ish guy with long hair & weird clothes, just like someone did with Bob Dylan in Long Branch, NJ a few weeks ago. Wonder if the investigating cops wouldn't recognize Jesus or his works either!
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thomas1
August 25, 2009 3:40 PM in reply to slb
Bachmann and her ilk follow the Paul version of the new testament, not the Jesus version
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merlot
August 25, 2009 3:43 PM in reply to slb
... and paint a Hitlerian mustache on him, as well...
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Andreams
August 25, 2009 5:13 PM in reply to xargaw
People should carry "Jesus was a Socialist" signs at the next town hall debacle. That should attract some attention.
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Minne sconsin
August 25, 2009 5:19 PM in reply to xargaw
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, or WELS.
Oddly enough, one of the group's firmly held beliefs is that women may not exercise authority over men.
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Metzengerstein
August 25, 2009 1:25 PM
She forgot the sackcloth and ashes.
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howie911
August 25, 2009 1:33 PM
"You are now looking at a fool for Christ. This is a fool for Christ."
Just leave off the 'for Christ'.
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GTFOOH
August 25, 2009 1:39 PM
It's time for Jane Kaczmarek to host SNL so she can play this character!
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barnacle
August 25, 2009 1:41 PM
God said: No. Man must not judge other men by death panels. And he created Michelle Bachmann, who opposed them. And Michelle called for prayer and fasting to oppose them. And lo, they were opposed.
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714Day
August 25, 2009 1:46 PM
Christ! Now Bachmann wants to induce psychosis in her peeps with fasting and mumbo jumbo before they get their armed and dangerous selves to a crowded place. This woman is a nightmare.
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jeffgee
August 25, 2009 2:02 PM in reply to 714Day
A hungry man is an angry man. Maybe that's what she's hoping for.
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erica
August 25, 2009 1:48 PM
Ok, the religious right is both funny and scary. But scarier still, and not funny at all is that Bachmann is more than a fool for Christ, she's a fool for Cheney and the crowd of non-religious, amoral, power-hungry folks who understand that equal parts of money, religion and "free-market" political bamboozlement are an inexpensive way to mix up the "oligarchy concrete" that holds them in place at the top of the heap.
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jeffgee
August 25, 2009 1:54 PM
Given a chance she would have gotten down on her knees in front of George W. Bush after the SOTU speech. She had to settle for a smooch after which he nearly had to peel her off of him.
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DQKennard
August 25, 2009 2:13 PM
I'm trying to imagine how one would phrase that prayer.
"Oh, God, please help us keep millions of people from affordable health care! Please help us keep billions of dollars in excess profits in the hands of big corporations at the expense of the people of this country! Please help us keep massive inefficiencies and failures in our medical system! Please help keep control of the system of medical care and insurance out of the hands of our elected representatives, and in the hands of faceless corporations! Please help us protect those corporations from the risk of lawsuits that might force them to change their ways even a little! Please help us keep the masses from realizing our lies!"
Somehow, it's hard to come up with anything that sounds remotely Christian.
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slb
August 25, 2009 2:21 PM in reply to DQKennard
And that's why they have to invent things like death panels and forced abortions to oppose.
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Virginia
August 25, 2009 2:30 PM
Can we just start ignoring this woman -- please??
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eve cairo
August 25, 2009 2:36 PM
I think they changed her meds. Look at her eyes.
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Ricky
August 25, 2009 2:59 PM
what is this FAKE religious witch talking about.. How not giving health care to PEOPLE WHO need it justified as by God.. this is the main reason why I have no interest in organized religiion, churches and all that crap, because from what I see these people do not worship Jesus and his practices, they only WORSHIP MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$.. Michell Bachman is a political whore for the Insurance and Big pharma lobby
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 5:24 PM in reply to Ricky
Organized religion is comprised of 2 kinds of people.
1. Leaders: Folks who use religion to advance their own personal agenda regardless of intended meaning of the scripture they selectively and wrongly quote.
Examples: Bush, Cheney, Palin, Fox News, Dick Armey, Newt, Bachmann, bin Laden, Ahmedinijad.
2. Followers: Folks who need the certainty of faith to back up there lack of education and/or general lack of curiosity to search for their own opinions through thoughful analysis of available evidence and independantly verifiable facts.
Examples: Teabaggers, Racists, Evangelicals, Gun Nuts, Terrorists, Suicide bombers
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MarkOfOhio
August 26, 2009 7:17 AM in reply to _jonny_5_
I agree totally, despite your unfortunate reference to "there lack of education".....
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_jonny_5_
August 26, 2009 10:15 AM in reply to MarkOfOhio
"They're" I go again....
Classic.
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kernel
August 26, 2009 2:09 PM in reply to _jonny_5_
I'm sorry ... one more time: not there, nor they're, but their
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raiatean
August 25, 2009 2:59 PM
Michele, don't forget the enemas.... Good ole hot ones, cold ones, alum ones, boric acid ones... There has to be a C Street one that you could use... And your buddy Ensign Ensign has a really cool insertion tool that you probably could borrow if his best friend's wife will loan it to you.....
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Indie Tarheel
August 25, 2009 3:59 PM in reply to raiatean
And don't forget to hit up Vitter for a diaper - extra absorbent and all that...
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Ricky
August 25, 2009 3:04 PM
I just want to go to this womans district to see these people that live their, a kooks compound
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GTFOOH
August 25, 2009 5:24 PM in reply to Ricky
I've been there and they are kind of like McCain's district, with an accent!
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Obama1st
August 25, 2009 3:11 PM
Michelle...Jesus didn't require a health insurance card to heal the sick. Jesus didn't demand that a deductible be paid prior to authorizing healing. Get your head out of your ass and quit politics and go into preaching your brand of elite christainity!
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rubyxyz
August 25, 2009 3:12 PM
I'd say she's more of a clown than a fool. A Christ clown.
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ricky
August 25, 2009 3:12 PM
Fasting? Isn't that what kept the Houston Rockets from reaching their full potential when they had that Muslim center?
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Hank Scorpio
August 25, 2009 3:42 PM
BIASED REPORTING ALERT:
TPM, why is the Bachmann photo cropped so that her halo is (conveniently) NOT in the picture?!?!?! ;^)
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acf_ma
August 25, 2009 3:44 PM
As a general rule, if you just read and watch the MSM, you don't learn about this stuff. OTOH, the best thing to do is just ignore it, because to do any more is to get swallowed up in its foolishness and become sidetracked, refuting or ridiculing it, instead of working to advance health care reform, including a strong public option, and end of life counseling when desired. Statements like hers or Palins, aren't expected to do any more than make us take our eye off the ball by getting us off on a tangent. Don't fall for it.
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thomas1
August 25, 2009 3:45 PM
the people of the twin cities have a congress critter who hears voices.
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ejg3
August 25, 2009 3:57 PM
She is supposedly a Wisconsin Synod Lutheran. I had to laugh about her quote about faith without good works being nothing as one of the prime claims of Luther's breaking with Rome (aside from a little fraudulent marketing of salvation) was his reliance on the passage from Romans about justification by faith alone. It looks like her ignorance of history extends to religion as well.
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 4:21 PM in reply to ejg3
"It looks like her ignorance of history extends to religion as well."
Her ignorance (intentional or otherwise) knows no limits...
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carlyt
August 25, 2009 4:00 PM
Bachmann is truly brainless. How did she get voted into office? There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588
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TheraP
August 25, 2009 4:10 PM
I suppose Bachman believes that Jesus only cured those who had insurance!
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MotoCrat
August 25, 2009 4:26 PM
* Sigh * I've been away for a while. Old Faithful brought me back into the fold. Here's some insight into The District of the Possessed.
Bachmann's district is the result of intricate, highly engineered gerrymandering. The suburban neighborhoods were developed with the paranoid, unhinged evangelicals in mind. It's all freaky white people, all the time. Gated communities. Roving bands of SUVigilantes. You can't just drive into this place. You gotta pass through a portal that takes you to a (highly) alternative reality.
I once drove my motorcycle through the portal. It turned my hair white. The weirdest thing about this District of the Damned is the constant howling. They don't talk. They howl.
Good to be back.
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driftless
August 25, 2009 4:37 PM
Yes, pray against taking care of the sick. God will love that. Good thinking, MB.
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Andreams
August 25, 2009 5:04 PM
I wish God would tell her to be a hermit and live in a cave.
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go2goal
August 25, 2009 5:08 PM
Hey Michele, I'm on the same direct line to god as you.....
During our call with the big fella, I heard him recite that "you're running from progress" - he didn't say you're running for congress.
You better recheck things with the prayer group on C Street....I think they heard the same thing as me. See you at next weeks conference call - I mean prayer session with the gang. Will George Bush be there next week - or is Gov. Sanford leading things?
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_jonny_5_
August 25, 2009 5:43 PM
This is the truest form of "Taking the lord's name in Vain"
She is using Religion to prop up her own Vanity. She is decorating herself with Christ by claiming he speaks directly to and therefore through her.
I may be an Athiest but I know Blasphemy when I see it.
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sherifffruitfly
August 25, 2009 9:52 PM
Republicans: You better pray that God helps you, because we sure as hell won't.
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pikaomega
August 26, 2009 2:02 PM
I don't know about anyone else but, personally, I LOVE Michelle Bachmann. The way I look at it, there will inevitably be some number of far right wackaloons in Congress (the House in particular) and at the least Bachmann does it up true to form.
Other than the fact that she is a duly elected representative of MN-6, she's overtly insane enough to be relatively harmless. The really dangerous people are those who retain a veneer of sanity while being just as toxic.
I say if the sixth district sees fit to keep her in office, then let them. Her entertainment value alone keeps me watching.
My condolences to anyone in the sixth that has sense enough to know she's batshit crazy...coming from someone living in the state that elected John Ashcroft.
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