
Maybe the grass really is always greener on the other side.
On a conference call hosted by Americans For Prosperity, featuring Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), the two of them frequently thanked conservatives for coming together and making their voices heard at town hall meetings. But at one point, the two of them also bemoaned that it's so much harder to organize conservatives than it is to keep liberals together.
DeMint explained that conservative people are, by their nature, an independent-minded lot who value their personal freedom. "The Democrats have a different constituency," said DeMint. "The groups supporting them all want more centralized control at the federal level, whether it's energy or health care. So they have united, binding their grievances."
A few minutes later, Bachmann also chimed in on this theme. "The level of organization on the left is far superior to that on the right," she said. "But I would think that just as we saw a historic shift in the electorate last fall, we are seeing another historic shift, at Mach speeds, occurring in United States."
On another fun note, at the very beginning of the call Bachmann said in a jocular tone, "Well hey, it's Jim DeMint for President."
"Well, that's a scary thought," DeMint replied.
"Someone's got to do it, Jim," said Bachmann.
To which DeMint said: "Well, anybody who wants to be President doesn't know how much trouble we're in."
I'll have some more details from the call tomorrow.
LFC
August 20, 2009 9:47 PM
To which DeMint said: "Well, anybody who wants to be President doesn't know how much trouble we're in."
Gee, Mr. DeMint. And just HOW did we get in all this trouble? Last time I checked, the recession started over a year before Obama got in office, Obama didn't cause the failure on the Afghan front, Obama didn't leave Iraq unfinished after 6 years, Obama didn't ignore healthcare reform while it got worse and worse, Obama didn't de-regulate (and fail to uphold existing regulations) for the financial industry and let them go nuts, and ...
Maybe you should wait until 2016 to try for President. We might have cleaned up some the mess left behind by your party by then.
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mJJ
August 21, 2009 12:06 AM in reply to LFC
That is an accurate statement. But alas, my own party is loath to own up to their own problems. It is disheartening to moderate Republicans to see the mess our party is in. First the outright malfeasance of the Bush administration led on by folks like Rove and friends and public leaders like Limpbaugh and Beck. Of course, now those two seems to be in the waning part of their career so perhaps there is hope even so. The malfeasance of the Bush Administration is beginning to unravel and their own people are clearing their conscience in print and in other media. Bout time is all I can say. Unless the entire party cleans up our act, we will be out of power for years and years. Still I try to stick it out in hopes of moving the party to a more honest position.
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LFC
August 21, 2009 7:59 AM in reply to mJJ
mJJ, I sympathize. I was a registered Republican for years. They lost me in the 90's so I registered independent. The abuses of power like the bogus Clinton impeachment and the entire 8 years of the Bush administration drove me to register as a Democrat simply because I found the GOP to no longer be a credible alternative on any issue.
I'm a fiscal conservative, a foreign policy conservative (and running into Iraq half-cocked was NOT conservative), and a social liberal, though I tend to be more socially liberal if it doesn't cost me anything like gay marriage. I guess I'm a socialist when it comes to Social Security and healthcare in that I don't think we should let the unlucky or working poor people just die because they don't have enough money.
I'm afraid it will be a LOOOONNNGGGG time before I really feel like I truly have a party that represents me, but I will vote against the GOP as long as they continue to be extremists.
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lmayliffe
August 20, 2009 10:03 PM
Not that it is particularly relevant, but Mr. Demint used to frequent a coffee shop I worked at for years in Greenville, South Carolina. He was always rude and rarely tipped even 5%. Again, this does not matter. But you know. Just sayin'.
/cnn
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azpaull
August 21, 2009 8:42 AM in reply to lmayliffe
I disagree. I think it IS relevant to catch a glimpse of how politicians (and others in the public eye) treat others when they're not "in the public eye". So, thanks for that bit o' insight!
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DrZee
August 21, 2009 9:06 AM in reply to lmayliffe
No, don't dismiss those seemingly "small" acts -- like rudeness and not tipping. These behaviors tell a lot about a person, especially a person who considers himself "powerful."
Lo those many years ago... I was the primary administrator of a speaker's forum and we invited mostly political persons to speak at a variety of events. After awhile I could tell who was a horse's patootie just from the way his or her staff worked with us over the phone. I was never surprised when the person showed up and acted like a rock star demanding blue m&m's in the dressing room, ordered the staff around, and was late or perfunctory with his or her appearance/speaking engagement.
I happily worked with some wonderful people, and we did have some amazing politicians spend time with us. They wouldn't "look through" us when we met -- they weren't always looking for a more important person to talk to before even finishing with a handshake. Many times they would come early and while we were setting up, they would sit down and talk about family and food and what to see in town -- just regular people. I loved that part of my job. And these were both sides of the aisle. I could name names.... the best/most memorable of the lot were Sen. Joe Biden and Sen. Alan Simpson. The worst? By far, Rep. Duncan Hunter.
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DrZee
August 21, 2009 9:06 AM in reply to lmayliffe
No, don't dismiss those seemingly "small" acts -- like rudeness and not tipping. These behaviors tell a lot about a person, especially a person who considers himself "powerful."
Lo those many years ago... I was the primary administrator of a speaker's forum and we invited mostly political persons to speak at a variety of events. After awhile I could tell who was a horse's patootie just from the way his or her staff worked with us over the phone. I was never surprised when the person showed up and acted like a rock star demanding blue m&m's in the dressing room, ordered the staff around, and was late or perfunctory with his or her appearance/speaking engagement.
I happily worked with some wonderful people, and we did have some amazing politicians spend time with us. They wouldn't "look through" us when we met -- they weren't always looking for a more important person to talk to before even finishing with a handshake. Many times they would come early and while we were setting up, they would sit down and talk about family and food and what to see in town -- just regular people. I loved that part of my job. And these were both sides of the aisle. I could name names.... the best/most memorable of the lot were Sen. Joe Biden and Sen. Alan Simpson. The worst? By far, Rep. Duncan Hunter.
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twoviragos
August 21, 2009 10:01 AM in reply to DrZee
Alan Simpson is from my part of the world and you are right, he is a good man. I think Simpson's ilk of Republicanism is part of that contingency of the Republican party that has been pushed to the side as people like Bachmann and De Mint have taken over. If we had more Republicans like him in Congress right now, I think there would actually be a chance for more bipartisanship, but as it stands right now, it seems like an impossibility.
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Texas Aggie
August 21, 2009 12:29 PM in reply to lmayliffe
Used to work with an ex-senate aide who told me that Phil Gramm was known as the junkyard dog because of the way he treated the little people like elevator operators and waitresses at the cafeteria. That behavior is part and parcel of a personality like his who has absolutely no moral compunctions about his behavior and how it affects other people. This is the type of person who should never be given control of other people's lives.
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AJM
August 20, 2009 10:15 PM
Hey Jim, not easy to organize conservatives? Not to worry you can always bamboozle them. Um, eaily, ask Vitter.
Not to mention needing all those weird right wing sources for money to rent Astro-turf!
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1 of 10,000 things
August 20, 2009 10:18 PM
We often joke that when Republican makes a declarative statement, truth often sides with the opposite of what the Republican stated. Is it perhaps time to agree that this is axiomatic?
Right - it is so much easier to organize blacks, latinos, gays, repro rights activists, etc than it is to organize southern, white men.
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jeffgee
August 20, 2009 10:18 PM
As a member of The Family, Mr DeMint thinks, as they all do there on C Street, that God has chosen him to be in power. I'd think he'd be stepping up. After all, Bush thought God wanted him to be President and he became President. Just like that. Divine intervention - er - Supreme intervention, actually.
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BillMcD
August 21, 2009 12:20 AM in reply to jeffgee
Call it a belief in a Supreme Power...
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tiowally
August 20, 2009 10:28 PM
Or to put it another way: It's easier to herd cats than it is to lead cows to a salt lick.
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ohyeathatsright
August 21, 2009 12:07 AM in reply to tiowally
10/10
Anyone have an idea of what the call attendance was?
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danbroncoman
August 20, 2009 10:34 PM
Conservatives by nature do not questions "their" leader. Admitting their leaders have faults would somehow be an admission they are not the chosen group with all the answers.
As an example, Evangelical Christians are taught not to question anything they read or learn. That mindset is why Bush/Cheney ran roughshod over the country for eight years without any sense of regret from the people who put them in office.
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wbramh
August 20, 2009 10:35 PM
So Michelle Bachmann doesn't want the government to control her body.
Yet she didn't hesitate to let a guinea pig control her mind.
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SleepinJeezus
August 20, 2009 10:58 PM in reply to wbramh
Not so hard to reconcile. She was out of her mind at the time. Besides, she otherwise has little need for using it anyway in her role as the darling of the whacko right. Handing it over to "God" or her guinea pig is therefore an easy exercise.
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geofu54
August 20, 2009 10:54 PM
No, Mr Dement. Your constituent are those people who most benefit from federal money yet (a) do not want to admit, or (b) are ignorant of, that fact. That we wouldn't call "independent-minded."
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benintn
August 20, 2009 11:04 PM
How much psychic energy does it take for Bachmann to willingly act that stupid? Tremendous message discipline.
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yellowdogfox1
August 20, 2009 11:51 PM
Safe to say that with those two the telephone lines were in no danger of overheating because of excessive brilliance.
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ESAD
August 21, 2009 1:12 AM
As long as you keep the public on the plantation, you can pretty much dictate how thing will evolve. Unfortunately, most ingenuious benelevonce comes from those in power. Congress had the power in 2006 - what party ruled? What party is in power now and has proceeded to criple freedom by trying to make the plantation larger. So transparent - It's easy to understand how the public is so upset. They are finally seeing it. Call them names all day long, it won't change their beliefs, as you try to justify yours. Can't see your nose in spite of your face. Love the ranting - best you can do I suppose.
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fafner1
August 21, 2009 1:13 AM
Who are they kidding? In the words of Will Rodgers: "I belong to no organized political party, I'm a Democrat." Anybody who has attended a Democratic caucus knows the truth of this statement. There is a reason the R's could ram through legislation with a 55 seat Senate majority, but the D's can't with a 60 seat majority. When it comemes to goose steping in unison, the Republicans win hands down, every time.
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Seeryer
August 21, 2009 9:18 AM
I never understood why people who think government is a lost cause run for elected office. Even more baffling is why people vote for a man or woman thart thinks the government is a lost cause. Would you want Dr Kevorkian to be a loved ones' care taker? That is what I liken elected officials like Bachman and DeMint to.
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twoviragos
August 21, 2009 10:05 AM in reply to Seeryer
I have thought the same thing time and time again. Republicans think that government is the problem, so they want to be part of the government. There's something so contradictory about that to me.
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The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
August 21, 2009 9:56 AM
No one should assume they're sincere. They're only saying their minions desperately need to believe about themselves. They are hardy, rugged individualists, who, true to the spirit of the Cincinnati, have set nobly aside the plow and, indeed, even their own cherished individuality, in response to a dire threat to their beloved freedoms. Yes, in response to the mindless orchestrated evil conspiracy of a disciplined foe leading a deluded, ignorant, lockstep horde, they are answering the call to serve, like the Minutemen before them.
It's pretty diabolical, but it's also authoritarian propagandist SOP. Project the thing about your side that's most disturbing onto your foes and you short circuit the possibility of the kind of introspection that would undermine your ability to control the deluded, ignorant, lockstep horde you've assembled. , N
We underestimate and ignore DeMint at our peril. He is running for president (did you notice he's got the obligatory ghost-written book out in the bookstore?), he's repeatedly shown himself to be the rhetorical vanguard for the coalition of extremists and authoritarians that have systematically subverted and taken control of the Republican Party over the last ten or fifteen years. He consistently telegraphs the next phase of whatever insanity they're going to be getting up to weeks before it happens.
It's really easy to project how bad things can get if he gets the GOP nomination just based on what we've seen in the last couple of years. Under him, the Republicans would get crushed in November, but only after the most insane, most dangerous, most frankly anti-democratic campaign in U.S. history. The angry hysteria we saw at Palin's events last time was just the disorganized, embryonic warm-up for DeMint's campaign. The militant gun-toting thuggery we're seeing now will be the norm--so much so that the MSM will just accept it as "the new normal" and cease to be disturbed by it.
And then, when a horrified nation hands them their asses on Election Day, they "ACORN will steal the election from us Real Americans" mythology they'll be pumping out could fuel an American version of the chaos we've seen supposedly "immature" democracies, except this time based on a delusion that will be immune to reason.
Yeah, increasingly, it's stopped being funny the way it is with Bachmann. This guy really freaks me out.
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bluesplashy
August 21, 2009 11:56 AM in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve
Dang, NC, I was eating lunch when I read your comment- ugh! I'm afraid you are too close to the truth for comfort. I am going to hope against all reason that the wingnuttery-gun-toting-thuggery will have worked themselves into an over the top frenzy that will scare off 2/3 of the voting population.
I saw a little blurb on CQ that Bachmann is in the news an average of every nine days. This is sad mainly for the long term effects. MSM loves to have people like Bachmann on and go to great lengths to encourage the wingnuttery. This leaves the impression that Bachmann and like are what a politician is supposed be so more like them will be voted in.
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Matt Jones
August 21, 2009 12:52 PM
"Hard to organize" - reminds me of the latter days of the Confederate States of America. Apparently, the CSA had serious difficulties maintaining a central government, since a group founded on the rights of states to do their own thing can't exert much federal power.
However, anybody who's ever listened to a Rush call-in show for more than 5 minutes can't seriously believe that conservatives are "independently minded"; it's a goddamn echo chamber.
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An Outhouse
August 21, 2009 1:12 PM
Bachmann's use of hyperbolic adjectives make sound more and more like Michelle Malkin.
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