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The Topeka Capitol-Journal reports that freshman Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS) told a town hall meeting a week ago that the GOP still had to find a "great white hope."

"Republicans are struggling right now to find the great white hope," said Jenkins. "I suggest to any of you who are concerned about that, who are Republican, there are some great young Republican minds in Washington." As examples, Jenkins mentioned Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI).

Jenkins' spokeswoman Mary Geiger told the paper that Jenkins' remark was not meant to refer to "race, creed or any background." Said Geiger: "There's no doubt the Republican Party has gone through some dark and challenging times in recent years, but thankfully bright young leaders have stepped up to lead the party into the future and she hopes to be a part of it. That was the intent of her comments -- nothing more and nothing less. Congresswoman Jenkins apologizes for her choice of words."

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August 26, 2009 11:05 PM   

"Dark" and challenging times...."bright" young leaders....

Yeah, I geddit. Wink, wink!

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August 26, 2009 11:12 PM    in reply to TJF

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

Really, the 'great white hope' is a cultural idiom in a lot of the country that just means 'the unexpected savior upon whom all our hopes rest'. While the idiom itself may have its origins in racial matters, as a rule of thumb, the use of the idiom doesn't necessarily indicate racist thinking.

Just as the idiom 'rule of thumb' itself has its origins in sexist violence, and yet the idiom itself can be used without being a call to beat women with a stick no thicker than your thumb.

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August 26, 2009 11:16 PM    in reply to BillMcD

Can you say "tone deaf"?

Sure you can...

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August 27, 2009 12:19 PM    in reply to The Old Grouch

I think her ear is hearing quite fine, she hears the thinly veiled racism coming from her side, Loud and Clear and she is fostering it with this statement...

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August 26, 2009 11:16 PM    in reply to BillMcD

Some idioms seem to come more easily than others.

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August 27, 2009 11:41 AM    in reply to GayIthacan

I thought you said "idiots!"

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August 26, 2009 11:32 PM    in reply to BillMcD

The origin of "rule of thumb" in sexist violence is apocryphal. Google it.

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August 27, 2009 12:01 AM    in reply to scmm42

"Rule of thumb" did not have a sexist origin. That's an urban legend.

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August 27, 2009 2:39 AM    in reply to Stu

That's what “apocryphal” means :-)

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August 27, 2009 9:34 AM    in reply to Jyrinx

Interesting, is it not?
The books of the Apocrypha are those early Christian writings that were discarded when the Bible as we know it today was being assembled in the 11th century. Those that were removed had numerous references to women as members of the priesthood, among other things frequently believed to be apostasy. (Pederasty seems to have made the cut, though.)
So the word doesn't really mean false, unless by that we mean "disbelieved because it brings us no advantage."

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August 27, 2009 12:45 PM    in reply to kenga

Yes, very. Thanks.

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August 27, 2009 1:52 PM    in reply to kenga

So the word doesn't really mean false, unless by that we mean "disbelieved because it brings us no advantage."

Actually, the word itself, at least as used in 20th-century English, does mean "false," or at the very least "of questionable authenticity." The meanings of words often evolve away from the literal meaning of their origins. From Wikipedia (my bolding):

During sixteenth-century controversies over the biblical canon the word "apocrypha" acquired a negative connotation, and it has become a synonym for "spurious" or "false". This usage usually involves fictitious or legendary accounts that are plausible enough to be commonly considered as truth.

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August 26, 2009 11:57 PM    in reply to BillMcD

Sorry, but in this case the cultural smoking room is "whites only." Here's the test, would any rational adult from "a lot of the country" introduce Michael Steele as the next Great White Hope of the Republican Party? There's no such question with rule of thumb I can't say if her intentions were insidious, but without a doubt, her message was. And I'd suggest using it in the context she used it displayed at the very least, a lack of cultural sensitivity and a lack of self awareness that makes her suspect.

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August 27, 2009 2:02 PM    in reply to PeorgieTirebiter

I agree with you, but in fairness, no rational adult would regard Steele as anything other than hopeless, regardless of color.

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August 27, 2009 12:23 AM    in reply to BillMcD

And sometimes a cigar is used for notorious purposes (Bill Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, etc.).

Jenkins may have been using "Great White Hope" as an idiom, but it's more likely that she used it as an idiot. If she had said "Great White Dope", it would have made more sense, and been more consistent with the parade of freaks, losers, and extremist nitwits that the GOP has trotted out on a regular basis.

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August 27, 2009 10:14 AM    in reply to ADad

LMAO, this one here takes the cake. Let's be honest here, this is what we like to call a Freudian slip. She knew what she was saying, she just didn't eman to say it out loud.

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August 27, 2009 12:32 AM    in reply to BillMcD

You are kidding right? Words have actual meanings. I know the GOP doesn't think about that with people like Romney Palin and GWBush in their tent, but they actually mean something. Great white hope is a term used, specifically in boxing. It is both a cultural term and a bookmaking term, you know that when you have a black heavyweight champ you need a great white hope to increase the gate, to increase the action on the book. It is a comment about the base and racist need to attack a black man and beat him. You can pretend that words don't mean anything but they actually do. A gaffe, for example, is when you make a mistake while speaking and tell the truth instead of the polite social lie. She spoke the truth of what has been going on in the back rooms of the GOP since President Obama took office. It just slipped out.

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August 27, 2009 2:37 AM    in reply to BillMcD

It isn't about "necessarily" indicating "racist thinking," it's about an elected official playing (duplicitously I'm sure, or else she's an idiot) a cultural illiterate when caught appealing to the lowest instincts among her political base. Look at the wikipedia Dave Bowman cites below; anyone alive in the late-60s/early-70s (or younger who has bothered to learn recent history) know the play/movie and knows exactly what that phrase refers to in the context of contemporary American culture.

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August 27, 2009 9:36 AM    in reply to TJF

I'll take Occam's Razor for $400.

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August 27, 2009 11:56 AM    in reply to kenga

Perfect response!

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August 27, 2009 12:24 PM    in reply to kenga

seconded...

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August 27, 2009 6:21 AM    in reply to BillMcD

I understand your attempt at rationalization. For ignorant or thoughtless people, "heebie-jeebies" isn't necessarily an overt denigration of Jews. However, "white" still means "white".

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August 27, 2009 7:05 AM    in reply to BillMcD

David Sedaris tells this hilarious tale in Santaland Diaries--a story about the year he worked as a department store elf at Christmas--about the reaction of the Manhattanites when Macy's had a black Santa for one day.

A woman approaches Sedaris and says, "Excuse me, but we, um, we don't want another, um, dark Santa. We want a white one. white like us."

His telling of the whole thing is much better, and much more damning.

This kind of thing is not Just a Cigar. I am related to these people. Yeah, they think that way: We need white leaders. White like us.

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August 27, 2009 9:21 AM    in reply to LarsThorwald

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1108137

Much of this is not germaine to the conversation, but it's pretty hysterical.

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August 27, 2009 9:34 AM    in reply to LarsThorwald

Right, so we can get OUR country back.

What do people think they are saying when they say these things?

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August 27, 2009 11:24 AM    in reply to LarsThorwald

If you thought Santaland Diaries was funny, you really need to check out 6 T0 8 Black Men, from his book, Dress Your Family in Corduroy and Denim. I heard this while driving and had to pull over to laugh for about 20 minutes.

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August 27, 2009 3:12 PM    in reply to Schmed

Getting OT, but I've always found David Sedaris hilarious on the radio, yet extremely dull on the page. Sometimes even the same stories. Something about his delivery, maybe.

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August 27, 2009 7:58 AM    in reply to BillMcD

"Really, the 'great white hope' is a cultural idiom in a lot of the country that just means 'the unexpected savior upon whom all our hopes rest'".

Yes. The connotation being: to save us from some terrible black usurper of course.

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August 27, 2009 10:43 AM    in reply to BillMcD

I have to agree. I'm sure the Congresswoman meant her comment to be purely aspirational and was speaking to the fact that among Republicans crowding the national stage there are none that embody the leadership qualities and articulate a vision of a winning electoral future for her party.
But, this is politics, and you can't expect her lapse into racially tinged boxing metaphor to not be used in the ring.

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August 27, 2009 11:01 AM    in reply to BillMcD

I'm sorry but that is not the case. I grew up in TX and the first time I heard it was when Gerry Cooney was going to fight Larry Holmes. Cooney; unfortunate last name for this comment, was deemed the 'Great White Hope' because white folks were hoping that Cooney might win their race back some pride; pure and simple.

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August 27, 2009 3:36 PM    in reply to VictorShaw

Long before Cooney there was Max Schmeling, Germany's "Great White Hope," coincidently known as "Black Uhlan of the Rhine." Plenty of Americans rooted for Max when he went up against "The Brown Bomber" Joe Louis. The rest is history.

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August 27, 2009 11:11 AM    in reply to BillMcD

I'm with you on this. It is tone deaf to be sure, but in my own life I called my African American Biology Prof "Great White Hunter" and from the expression on his face realized for the first time what that phrase meant....to me it was a phrase of respect from old jungle movies

It can happen

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August 27, 2009 12:08 PM    in reply to mamiller

Goes to show how systemic some overt prejudice can become. Even our language is riddled with racial insults that have become common phrases.

I have always wondered at how silly some whites must seem to other races, when "we" fail to modify our terminology to match our modern world.

I've been studying the Civil War intensively of late, and the ingrained cultural patterns of prejudice established by the slavers, who owned the national media for decades before the war, are still with us today.

Some brains are much to easy to wash.

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August 27, 2009 11:16 AM    in reply to BillMcD

Go make them own this. There's no reason why they should be let off the hook. We've worked too hard and came too far to let tea baggers have their way. Go make them own it.

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August 27, 2009 2:50 PM    in reply to Chris

Alright "chris", we get it, you have a website....

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August 27, 2009 11:55 AM    in reply to BillMcD

That's incorrect. It was first applied to boxer James Jeffries, who took back the heavyweight title for the white man from Jack Johnson in 1910.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Jeffries

It's since been applied to other persons like Eminem. Always white, always with the intent of knocking off (or knocking out) the black man.

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August 27, 2009 12:43 PM    in reply to BillMcD

I guess you missed the movie.

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August 27, 2009 12:44 PM    in reply to BillMcD

Great White Hope is a racist statement period.

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August 27, 2009 3:23 PM    in reply to BillMcD

And sometimes a cigar is a big fat blunt. Is that what you're smoking?

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August 27, 2009 4:47 PM    in reply to BillMcD

I call a mild BS on this.

Given that the phrase was coined after Jack Johnson won the heavyweight title, I think it's hard to say it no longer has racial overtones.

I believe Larry Bird was also referred to this way.

I have NEVER heard it outside a racial context, personally.

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August 27, 2009 12:00 AM   

Ow! My ears! All those dog whistles are deafening.

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August 27, 2009 4:21 PM    in reply to dal20402

Unfortunately Rep. Jenkins' dog whistle has dropped down into the audible, human-hearing range. She deserves no sympathy.

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August 27, 2009 12:01 AM   

They're just hopeless, aren't they? Hopeless, hapless and clueless.

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August 27, 2009 12:27 AM    in reply to Lynn Dee

and white.

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August 27, 2009 12:30 AM   

Hmm. Given your discussion regarding how the usage of expressions like "rule of thumb" and "great white hope" has changed over time, maybe you should begin your post with "sometimes a dick changes into a cigar and those who smoke it later don't realize it was ever anything other than a cigar."

Just to be consistent.

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August 27, 2009 12:42 AM   

Damn!!! I read that and immediatly thought only a effing repig fundie son of a bitch could think of something like that... After all, they have already had decades of stupid, evil white dopes who ran this country off the road and over the cliff...

Anyone who is a member of the shit eating repiglican party deserves any crap karma it gets.... I despise everything they stand for...

Just this old Chief's 2 cents

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August 27, 2009 1:32 AM   

The phrase "Great White Hope" originated in reference to white boxers who hoped to retrieve the heavyweight crown from the black usurper Jack Johnson. It of course carries noxious racial overtones.

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August 27, 2009 2:45 AM    in reply to Lucidity

True. And the constant use of the phrase in the Republican back rooms has not changed it to a more innocuous meaning over time. It still carries the racist overtones.

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August 27, 2009 10:54 AM    in reply to Richardxx

And yet, this poor woman is so clueless that she probably doesn't consciously (emphasis consciously) realize the meaning of that phrase.

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August 27, 2009 12:31 PM    in reply to Rockridge

but she knew it had "White" in it, and thats really what was important...

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August 27, 2009 2:13 AM   

As usual the 'know nothings' claim to know not what they refer to, and instead, fervently cling to their 'belief' that it really means something else, not racist at all, of course. However, on this planet:

The term, "the great white hope," reflects the racism and segregation of the era in which Jack Johnson fought. It could be argued that Johnson, the first African American to hold the World Heavyweight Championship title, was the best fighter of his generation. Yet, white reaction against Johnson's win and his very public relationships with white women was so strong that, in 1912, the United States Congress, concerned that scenes of Johnson pummeling white boxers would cause race riots, passed a law making it illegal to transport prizefight films across state lines.[5] "The great white hope" is a reference to the boxer whom whites hoped would finally defeat Johnson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_White_Hope

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Anybody remember Gerry Cooney? Didn't think so.

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August 27, 2009 7:43 AM    in reply to Dave Bowman

Thank you. Already typing it before I saw you'd done it.

Actually, it does fit. Certainly there's the same sense of frantic, frenzied dislocation among some whites that Johnson caused.

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August 27, 2009 4:36 PM    in reply to Dave Bowman

You nailed it.

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August 27, 2009 4:46 AM   

To conceptually frame the direction of the republican party in this way emphasizes the extent to which republicans are unmindful of how this nation has and is changing. Nothing is forever and the very fact that the party is having such a difficult time with the idea of a black president is sounding a very loud message in the ears of party leaders.

Unfortunately, what they are hearing is at odds with the rest of the country. This is problematic because if republican leaders are hearing impaired, their party and a lot of Americans will remain so. We can only hope their hearing starts to improve. Until that happens republicans will be an impediment to this nation, the citizens and to our place in the world.

Which means, just as we are witnessing right now on several major issues, the country isn't going to be able to sensibly solve any of them and in the global sense, we will be a nation in decline.

The path we take has to enable all citizens to prosper individually and then as a unit. Republicans and congress in general have to figure out that path is surely the one to success. That is not the path they are taking right now. It has to be reversed, and quickly. It would also be helpful if they would honestly observe the separation of church and state as our constitution specifies. This has unquestionably been violated and is in no small measure a contributor to some of the problems we are confronting.

In all the above it is really stupefying how willingly our national leadership has violated our constitutional principles. Even more so in that they don't have any recognition of having done so.

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August 27, 2009 4:55 AM   

"...great young Republican minds..." "mentioned... Kevin McCarthy"
Hope is not just white, it's male, Baptist, has an MBA, and a namesake from the lead actor in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. This is excellent news!

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August 27, 2009 5:53 AM    in reply to eggroll

And that also eliminates Embarrassing Eric Cantor, a right-wing Jew. What a maroon he is, with apologies to Bugs Bunny. Who would be more qualified anyway.

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August 27, 2009 6:25 AM   

Maybe Sylvester Stallone is available.

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August 27, 2009 7:31 AM   

When I was in Viet Nam, my batallion commander was advising the assembled troops about the dangers of prostitutes. "But hey" he growled "I can't tell you what to do. You're all free, white, and 21." It didn't go over well, even with those of us who were.

Idiom or not, it's totally tone deaf.

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August 27, 2009 7:51 AM   

So many explanations and descriptions of meanings....
All I can say is that I have used that pharase on many occassions in which I wished to convey a message to somebody that I perceived as a racist, and I wanted to call them on it. In planer words, sarcasm.
And every time, despite many a clueless mind, the message was heard. To me it says that, in general, everybody knows exacly what it means.
EOS.

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August 27, 2009 7:57 AM   

Great white hope?? Hmmmmm. Right up there with "wise Latino woman." Where is the GOP outrage?

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August 27, 2009 8:01 AM   

This is not surprising from this woman. I went to one of Jenkins' town halls, and when someone in the crowd brought up the "death panels", she did nothing to dispel the notion. She nodded and seemed to agree that indeed we would have "death panels" if government gets involved in our healthcare. When she acknowledged my raised hand, I told her she was being irresponsible and her demagoguery on this issue was not helpful to her constituents who have concerns and that she was intentionally scaring people. She looked rather shocked that there might be someone there that didn't fall into line with her idealogy. At one point, after several people engaged in some various Obama bashing, she did manage to say "He's really a nice guy - and gives a great speech." That was the extent of anything nice to say about our President.

At another point, some moron waving around a sheaf of papers brought up the "why won't Obama release his college records and where is his birth certificate?" nonsense. Jenkins did nothing to assure the crowd that indeed our president is a citizen and a legitimate president. This birther guy asked her why Congress isn't doing anything about this, and Jenkins says they just are too busy dealing with healthcare and cap & trade, but maybe they will have time to look at that later. She changed the subject then.

This is the kind of stuff I have to deal with in Kansas - my life-long home. It didn't used to be this way.

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August 27, 2009 8:09 AM   

These kind of racial overtures is systemic in the GOP. For decades they've adopted a white nationalist agenda which continues to be ignored by our media. Blacks & Latinos who are not of the conservative persuasion are often subjected to racial insults by conservatives. This GOP congressGIRL is has shown her true colors.

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August 27, 2009 8:20 AM   

And I'd suggest using it in the context she used it displayed at the very least, a lack of cultural sensitivity and a lack of self awareness that makes her suspect.
I suspect that it was extremely culturally sensitive.
Toto, I think we're in Kansas again.

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August 27, 2009 9:01 AM   

There is no non-racial meaning to the expression "great white hope." None.

Clue is the word "white."

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August 27, 2009 9:13 AM   

My mule don't have teeth as big and "white" as hers. Probably good for eating corn.

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August 27, 2009 9:25 AM   

Her picture looks like the offspring of Ronald McDonald and Sonic the Hedgehog.

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August 27, 2009 9:33 AM   

Sarah Palin's recommendation of Glen Beck's coming hard hitting investigation into who's "actually running the White House" comes from the same fully internalized racism shown by this woman. The birther/deather/teabagger faction has been obsessed with the notion that Obama can't really be the one running things because, well, you know, those people, oh now don't make me go and say it, okay well, they're just not as smart as normal people, since before he was elected. It's part and parcel of the "telemprompter" smear, the idea that he's just this clueless dolt who talks good like a white person who's being used as a puppet by mysterious unknown others.

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August 27, 2009 10:08 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

This notion is especially ridiculous given the presidency (and vice presidency) we just lived through.

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August 27, 2009 9:41 AM   

Michael Steele...uhm, maybe not. Although I'm sure he would find some way to agree with her.

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August 27, 2009 9:50 AM   

Check out this protester from a Democratic congressman's town hall that Hannity gave a platform.

He says it is unacceptable to call the protesters Nazis, then turns around and insinuates that Obama's policies and the congressman himself are Nazi-like. Isn't hypocrisy fun?

Here is the clip:

http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2694

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August 27, 2009 9:52 AM   

Here's the "cultural idiom" for all of the apologists here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_J._Jeffries#Comeback

Six years after retiring, Jeffries made a comeback on July 4, 1910 at Reno, Nevada. He fought champion Jack Johnson, who had staked his claim to the heavyweight championship by defeating Tommy Burns at Rushcutters Bay in Australia in 1908.

The fight, which was promoted and refereed by legendary fight promoter Tex Rickard, and became known as "The Fight of the Century", soon became a symbolic battleground of the races. The media, eager for a "Great White Hope", found a champion for their racism in Jeffries. He said, "I am going into this fight for the sole purpose of proving that a white man is better than a Negro."[1] A furor was created at the fight, as a ringside band played, "All coons look alike to me".[2]

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August 27, 2009 9:56 AM    in reply to Cool Blue Reason

And:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_White_Hope

The term, "the great white hope," reflects the racism and segregation of the era in which Johnson fought. It could be argued that Johnson, the first African American to hold the World Heavyweight Championship title, was the best fighter of his generation. Yet, white reaction against Johnson's win and his very public relationships with white women was so strong that, in 1912, the United States Congress, concerned that scenes of Johnson pummeling white boxers would cause race riots, passed a law making it illegal to transport prizefight films across state lines.[5] "The great white hope" is a reference to the boxer whom whites hoped would finally defeat Johnson.

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August 27, 2009 9:54 AM   

I'd bet a large box of money that Jenkins has always been completely, blithely ignorant of the actual historical origins of the phrase, and this goes for everybody around her. They have no idea who Jack Johnson was, or that Gerry Cooney was merely one of the more recent incarnations of that sentiment. However, this doesn't mean that the racial theme of the phrase doesn't resonate with them, even if it's so ingrained it's unconscious. To them, "black" can never be thought of in the context of "hope." It's simply inconceivable.

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August 27, 2009 10:00 AM    in reply to bluestatedon

The vocabulary of racism is so clear, and the historical analogy so exact (based in a visceral reaction among whites to a perceived upending of the racial power structure), that their ignorance of the specifics (if true) is really beside the point.

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August 27, 2009 9:56 AM   

Here's an idea - imagine for a moment that Rep. Lynn Jenkins was a black woman instead of a white woman. Actually, with a little Photoshop it's very easy -- and then imagine this black representative said the GOP needs to find a "great white hope". Would that statement be deemed racist? perhaps Uncle Tomish?   Damn right it would.

Ergo, the statement is racist.

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August 27, 2009 9:57 AM   

No question that the connotation is racial. The phrase is best remembered from the 1967 Howard Sackler play which was exactly about the desire to find a white man to beat Jack Johnson. There was a strone undertone of sexual fear as well, since Johnson had a reputation for having affairs with white women.

Of course, in her defense, that GOP dingbat has probably never heard of Jack Johnson or of the play.

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August 27, 2009 10:54 AM    in reply to Virginia

Thank you for jogging my memory.

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August 27, 2009 12:28 PM    in reply to Virginia

So her ignorance of the many characteristics of the single most prominent issue causing conflict in America over the last two centuries is a defense for her?

Any living American politician of any ethnic or racial background who acts ignorant on the many nuances of American racism has chosen to be ignorant. Her ignorance (if that is what it is) is more of an indictment of her than a defense.

I suspect that you recognize that, but I just want to make it explicit.

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August 27, 2009 10:18 AM   

This shows again how hung up the GOP is on Obama's race. Even if she wasn't making a conscious racial statement, we have a pretty good idea where her head is at.

(pssst, He's black)

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August 27, 2009 11:09 AM   

Beyond her stupid racial reference, she implies that Pawlenty, Romney, Gingrich, Palin and Huckabee are not up to the challenge.

So, at least we have some bi-partisan common ground on the latter point.

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August 27, 2009 11:12 AM   

According to Wikipedia, the idea that "rule of thumb" comes from the thickness of a stick to beat your wife has been discredited. And even if this origin was true, it dates back to the 1600s. Phrases can change meaning many times in that long of a period. The Great White Hope was a play in 1967. The Great White Hope explores how segregation and prejudice created the demand for a "great white hope" who would defeat Johnson (who was black) and how this, in turn, affected the boxer's life and career. Even if Congresswoman Jenkins didn't know this how could she think that the phrase "the great white hope" would sound anything but racist? Especially when we have a black president.

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August 27, 2009 11:18 AM   

I wish, as a Kansan, I could apologize for this, but there's no way to keep this woman from joining the new class of absolutely unhinged conservatives who are sticking their feet in their mouths at every opportunity.

From Bachman(MN) to Inhoffe(OK) to King(IA) to Cornyn(TX), the list goes on and on, we are plagued with idiot ideologues whose careless words foment fear and loathing among our people. It is quite reminiscent of how the wealthy slavers of the south managed our entire nation until the civil war took their profane institution away from them.

One more example of "what's the matter with Kansas" (and Oklahoma and Minnesota and all points on the US compass). ... deaf goats owned by hungry wolves leading blind sheep to the slaughterhouse of ignorance and prejudice.

Her excuse that is wasn't racial is either disingenuous (which I believe is the case) or proof that she and her staff don't have the sense to find out what their words really mean. A simple google search would have revealed the incendiary potential of her remarks.

Either way, whether through pernicious prejudice or sheer stupidity, statements like Jenkins' only serve to divide us and make us weak as a nation. They live in some grand delusion that their prejudice is wisdom and their hatefulness patriotism. And there is no way that they will ever change.

Hopefully, the electorate will change around them, and their power to impede our progress towards a fruitful and peaceful age will be taken from them, simply by the truth being weighed by intelligent people.

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August 27, 2009 11:19 AM   

I for one do not believe that people like Jenkins, Palin, and Bachmann are so stupid that they don't understand the racist remarks that they make. These people cut their teeth on how to communicate with dog whistle talk, to pull in the looney!

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August 27, 2009 11:33 AM    in reply to GTFOOH

Well, either way, it is embarrassing to her intelligent constituents.

Like I said, it was either pernicious or stupid, there's no other options.

Anyone who thinks it was smart or right or justifiable in any way needs some remedial reading of the Bill of Rights, the Constitution , and The Bible.

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August 27, 2009 12:47 PM    in reply to GTFOOH

Most conservative politicians who use such code phrases are aware of what they are doing. But they are appealing to voters who are not aware.

I suspect, however, that the ones who come out of the tradition of evangelical conservative xtianity really are not all that aware of how they appear to the rest of us, because they belong to that religious tradition and are playing to other members. They are a tradition based anti-modernist subculture that has mentally and socially shut itself off from the modernity that surrounds them. Both Oklahoma Senators, Sessions, and DeMint all fit into this crew. So does SC governor Mark Sanford. As a Texan who has watched Cornyn for years, my conclusion is that he is not a true-believer. He is playing to the crowd, and the most politically powerful crowd in Texas for the last two decades has been dominated by the evangelical right-wing.

Bob Altemeyer, in his excellent book "The Authoritarians," analyzes authoritarian leaders separately from the followers, and divides the group of leaders into those who are true-believers as their followers are and those who are just using those beliefs to get what they want. He also points out that the true-believers are the more dangerous and truly irrational leaders. I think Altemeyer's analysis fits the leadership of the current Republican Party pretty well.

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August 27, 2009 1:13 PM    in reply to Richardxx

Thought-provoking. Thanks.

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August 27, 2009 3:19 PM    in reply to Richardxx

Spot-on. There's also a certain over-the-edge-ness that distinguishes the true believers - George W Bush, Bachmann, Palin, Beck - from the ones who are juicing up the crowd - Cheney, Cantor, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Hannity.

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August 27, 2009 11:25 AM   

PS; and as for Cantor and the rest of those "future stars" of the GOP, I remember the same accolades being laid upon to the likes of George Allen, Bill Frist, Trent Lott, Rick Santorum and a few others during the Bush junta years.

So where are they now?

If history is any guide, more than one great white GOP hope has been revealed for the dark-hearted bullies they really are.

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August 27, 2009 11:38 AM    in reply to JEP07

Well said! And I'm still mulling over that remark about her "intelligent constituents." Might be a bit of an oxymoron.

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August 27, 2009 11:49 AM    in reply to GTFOOH

No, actually, there are many smart Republicans in this state whose loyalty is being tried daily by these foot-in-mouthers. Remember, Kansas Republicans mostly harken back to Eisenhower, not Reagan like the rest of the natin. While I am a Democrat, I have a great deal of respect for Kansas' Eisenhower Republicans. But the new batch or R's, the ones tied to the coal industry and other mega-multinational interests, now manage the state legislature, and the more-sensible, down-to-earth Eisenhower Republicans have been marginalized by the wingnuts who want that corporate cash.

Loyalty is a wonderful thing, as long as that to which you are loyal remains loyal to you. But as this event proves, the Kansas Republicans who are not prejudiced have been outnumbered and overpowered by the ones who are.

Read up on our latest Governor, and you will see how it has affected the Republican Party here, some very good, loyal Republicans have changed sides, because their party was hijacked by those idiot ideologues. The Evolution v. KS 'Bored' of Education issue was just the tip of a much bigger submerged iceberg.

Seriously, the whole party isn't nearly as stupid as their leaders and their wingnuts. How did that happen?

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August 27, 2009 3:40 PM    in reply to JEP07

Where are they now? Probably crying in their Ovaltine with Gary Bauer, Ralph Reed, and Alan Keyes.

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August 27, 2009 11:31 AM   

Stuffed, Ronnie is more charismatic as any Republican out there, and twice as smart. Get digging, Republicans!

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August 27, 2009 11:54 AM   

Apart from the ugliness of the "great white hope" phrase, the statement is self-serving. When she calls Cantor, McCarthy, and Ryan great young Republican minds, she's prompting the audience to think, "Oh, and you too, Lynn."

And to be sure, they are all great young Republican minds. Why, there may even be a new Spiro Agnew among them. Or James Inhofe, or Dick Cheney, or his sidekick What's His Name, or Duke, or ...

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August 27, 2009 12:03 PM   

I'm white
I place all my hope in Glenn Beck

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August 27, 2009 4:58 PM    in reply to johnmccsf

LOL

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August 27, 2009 12:06 PM   

Consider the source;

a Republican from Kansas, then get in her mind and see what's rolling around inside there.

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August 27, 2009 12:07 PM   

I doubt she knew the origins of the expression, but thought she was clever speaking in code a' la "States rights"

She is merely pointing out that putting on the show of being inclusive isn't working (Read:Steele, Jindal) so lets get back to our southern strategy that worked so well before.

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August 27, 2009 12:24 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

How true. As a black man, it means just one thing to me - the republicans are truly the party of yesterday, and any one who is fooled by their 'clothing' is dumb. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me ....., I almost became a member of the black panthers way back when, until I realized that I didn't hate white people but rather hated racist acts. The future is multicultural whether we like it or not. My son recently married a white woman, and as such rebutted any prejudices my generation have been lugging for the past years. This generation is saying to us "we don't care about your old time b.s., I see it every where, even in the election of B.O..
The republicans are just showing their true colours.
I enjoy pasta at my Italian friends homes, curry dishes at my Indian friends home, I am sure that in a shrinking world, we need to respect differences while embracing the uniqueness of all cultures. Really, we are all inhabitants of a place called Earth. Get use to it or perish. Jah walks

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August 27, 2009 12:13 PM   

I live in Kern County, California. I know Kevin McCarthy. He is a lightweight pretty-boy that has never faced a serious opponent but knows the magic words "God, guns, and gays." In his brief time in the house, he has had no substantial accomplishments that would justify Rep. Lynn Jenkins' praise. Winning an election in Bakersfield (where they once banned and burned the extremely-obscene "Grapes of Wrath," is a lot different than winning a national contest. Obama would crush McCarthy like a bug.

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August 27, 2009 12:24 PM   

I think the quote was a misprint. I put the correction quote in bold. It should read

"There's no doubt the Republican Party has gone through some dark and challenging times in recent years, but thankfully white young leaders have stepped up to lead the party into the future and she hopes to be a part of it.

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August 27, 2009 12:36 PM   

I cannot believe some of you folks are for giving this Congresswoman a pass on this. She knew exactly what she was saying. Forget "great," if you want. Forget,"hope," is you must. The word "white," in this context can stand alone as proof of her racist feelings. The 'Southern Strategy," (of which she is a daughter) has turned into a racist strategy and we should start fighting it now. The nutty right has taken off the "white" kid gloves and proceeded to use every possible cue word as to what they want: Obama's death! Quit giving them support - just quit it. They are serious, deliberate, and will keep it up. If Cantor, et alii were any kind of decent citizens they would condemn this woman, her talk, and aspirations. As it is they are just as bad. Quit calling Cantor a Jew. He lost that honor when he, like Lieberman sided with the far right. The fascists were Italy's right. The neo nazi movement in Germany and here is to the far right. There is no room in historic Judaism for that kind of thinking - and they have suffered the most from it. First these nutters are going after Obama, then the blacks, then the Jews, then the rest of us open thinkers. I just can't believe readers of TPM don't realize all of this. If we don't, what hope for the rest of the country?

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August 27, 2009 1:17 PM    in reply to NH Bob

Oh, Jesus. Lighten up.

For one, it's apropos - the phrase refers to the efforts of some fight promoters to find a white man who could beat Jack Johnson, the first black heavyweight champion. (I hope it ends up being apropos in terms of Obama's tenure in office, insofar as Johnson was champion for seven years before finally losing to Jess Willard in 1915.)

For another, the Southern strategy has always been based on race. That's why it's the Southern strategy. Look in any of the threads on Mary Landrieu's entirely political decision to vote against the public option with which Obama has identified. Why is this? Because even if it would mean a great deal to a state as poor as Louisiana, there are too many white people who need desperately not to feel beholden to a black man's vision in Louisiana and elsewhere throughout the South. Most white people like this will tell you this, some of them will even do so with pride. Who gives these people a voice? The Republican Party, for better or worse.

This is politics. The way to lose is to sniffle and whine about how uncivilized the other party's base is, and wait for the other party to concede you're right on every substantive issue. I'm encouraged that they have no clear answer for Barack Obama in the next presidential election, and I think you should leave the thought-policing to your opponents.

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August 27, 2009 12:39 PM   

Well this could be a challenge for the GOP because all they seem to have now are "Great White Dopes".

C

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August 27, 2009 12:40 PM   

...wow. This just made my day.

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August 27, 2009 12:47 PM   

If the GOP needs a great white hope they need look no further than Representative Virginia Foxx (R - NC). She represents them perfectly.

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August 27, 2009 12:57 PM    in reply to tiowally

Pick any card from the deck...

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August 27, 2009 12:50 PM   

Has anyone noticed that Jenkins has "crazy eyes"?

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August 27, 2009 1:01 PM   

It's actually hilarious to see them struggle. They're just so clueless! Yes, they've watered down health care, but on the whole, these people are completely clueless with wha Americans want.

I was poking around the internet on Teddy today and I have to say that debate he had with Romney when they asked Romney what his greatest personal failing was -- that was priceless. He just went on an on about how great he was and how committed he was to the poor and down-trodden. Whoever told him to use that as a way to explain personal failings was completely idiotic.

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August 27, 2009 1:12 PM   

A "Kinsley gaffe" - she accidentally told the truth.

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August 27, 2009 3:19 PM   

she just apolologized: http://www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1042773&lang=eng_news

"She apologizes if her words have offended anyone"

And for those who knew exactly what she meant, it's time to get to work finding that special Willem de Klerk

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August 27, 2009 5:00 PM    in reply to twirling fartknocker

Ah, the standard ReThuglican non-apology apology.

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August 27, 2009 3:32 PM   

Very white of them.

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