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Hawking: Ironically, My Death Panel Saved My Life

Remember how Investor's Business Daily's editors went on and on about how if genius astrophysicist Stephen Hawking had been from a socialist hell hole like England, his health care system's death panel would have deemed him useless and snuffed out his life--completely unaware that Hawking--a professor at Cambridge--is and always has been, a British citizen?

Well that subtlety didn't escape one of the world's smartest men. Hawking himself had this to say to his...concerned supporters...at Investor's: "I wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high quality treatment without which I would not have survived."

In fairness, though, maybe the folks at Investor's were thinking of a less eminent--and, crucially, non-British--scientist whose life the National Health Service might deem "essentially worthless."


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Yeah, our government intervenes in extraordinary ways only when there is a political dividend. Remember how idiot-George sobered up long enough to fly from Texas to D.C. to "save" Terry Schiavo?

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Exactly. What we have to remember is, while there are sound (but answerable) fiscal reasons why many conservatives oppose Democratic plans for health care reform, opposition to health care reform in the main has nothing to do with health care itself. It's all about the viability of the Republican party. If the GOP loses on this one, I have a hard time seeing where they are going to win, and so will their voters and contributors.

The GOP of the late 20th Century was a triad: Rank-and-file rural and suburban whites, big business, and Christian zealots. The party got everything it wanted, culminating in a conservative Supreme Court, the presidency of Bush 43, years of House dominance, and, briefly,
control of both chambers, the White House and the Court.

The results were devastating. The suburbs are increasingly going to the Democrats, the New York money-center banks owe their continued existence to President Obama, and all the whackos got for their time and money was a 5-4 majority that is a couple of retiremens away from reversing.

Religious zealotry has been exposed for the negative force that it has always been. Now, if the GOP loses on health care reform, many in the rank and file will give up, de-mobilize and cease their small-dollar donations. Meanwhile, large donors with business interests will funnel, at the GOP's expense, more of their lobbying dollars to conservative Democrats as the next "Republicans" in their attempt to mitigate and modify the liberal agenda. This will leave the Republican Party as a regional organization capable only of occasional obstructionism and without an agenda of its own.

The stakes are very, very high but the GOP asked for it.

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So we can expect the GOP to triple-down on the fear factor, the fastest way to the reptilian brain of the base, spread by a television network and numerous radio shouters entirely devoted to GOP propaganda in hopes of expanding that base.

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Agreed, The Blue Dogs will likely replace the Repubs in the next several elction cycles for the reasons you have put forth.

I'd also mention that we are likely to see the Hispanic/Latino vote to closely resemble the African-Americam vote (maybe not the 95+% we saw in '08, but more the 80% of years past). With their rising percentage of the population this leaves Repubs with little choice but to Jump ship a la' Spector or join the Blue Dogs as a resonable(even if frustrating) opposition. Its becoming obvious that the line between Racism and Republicanism is being blurred.

Anybody else notice that Micheal Steele has been absent from the public view during these weeks of Town Hall hate events? Its because Race is a factor in the Obama hatred and it would be hard for Steele to get out there and rev up the base if(since) Race is such a big factor.

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Excellent analysis, Doc.

It relates to a conjecture I've been considering lately:  Has 9/11 killed the GOP?

For a long time, the GOP got a fair share of its votes through the fear card.  Commies, uppity desegregationists, hippies, peaceniks, homos, immigrants, etc. were all fodder for ginning up fear among the electorate.  As long as they complemented that with a reasonably sane pro-business agenda, they often got the majorities they needed to gain power.

9/11 gave so much power to the fear card that they no longer felt the need to keep much of a connection to reality.  They ended up relying so much on the Big Lie tactic (because it worked so well), that now it's all they've got left.  But now that it's power is waning, they've got little left to fall back on.  Their vitriol has chased away many of the economic conservatives who used to be among their base.  (Their flagrant fiscal irresponsibility didn't help, either.)

If this is anywhere near the mark, it is hugely ironic.

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Well I know Audrey Hepburn was British, I saw her in My Fair Lady with Rex Harrison.

And you knew right away she was a Brit when she said: "Oym a gud gurl oy yam"

If he's British how come Hawking doesn't talk like that??

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I was thinking the same thing.

I believe that the mechanical speaking device that vocalizes Professor Hawkings thoughts which he types--I think with his toes-- on a keyboard attached to his wheelchair does not ennunciate with a distinct British accent.

That must have been what threw off the editorial board at IBD as to his nationality. tks rich

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Actually, last I knew, Professor Hawking doesn't have a keyboard. He actually has a "clicker" type device he holds which is attached to a computer screen where he can scroll through and choose the words he's looking for.

Yeah, it's okay...you can say it. I'm a geek.

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Right you are!

I just visited his very interesting website:

www.hawking.org.uk/

and got the full lowdown. Thanks rich

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Hawking's CG accent is closer to a Swedish cadence.

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Probably for the same reason that Charles Schumer and Trent Lott don't sound alike, even though they are both Americans. There are different accents in the UK; Hepburn was portraying a Cockney, as opposed to the aristocratic Harrison -- or the Scot Sean Connery or Paul McCartney from Liverpool.

Besides, Hawkings' speech is artifically created, as already noted.

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Yes, and if he was an American, his parents' insurance company would have kicked them off the rolls and they would have been bankrupted in their effort to keep him alive.

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they would have been bankrupted in their effort to keep him alive.

And a productive member of society.

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" there is no doubt that Thomas Jefferson highly valued education and an educated citizenry. He believed that an educated citizenry was essential to the long-term survival of democracy, and believed strongly that the ladder of opportunity should be available to a person of any economic class who sought self-betterment."

when one has heard the stories of americans not being able to name the three branches of our government, or when asked thought american fought on the side on the germans in WWII, one would scratch their collective heads and think, "surely, that is not true."

now, however, it is finally sinking in; the machiavellian gop and its gop/media complex has truly succeeded in the "dumbing down of america."

those on medicare, shouting out "we don't want any socialized medicine," or the president of the united states having to refute his goal to "kill old people," is what we as a country, on our declining slide, has come to.

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I wonder what the voter rolls would look like if everyone was required to pass the citizenship test before being allowed to vote?

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Hell of an idea.

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now, however, it is finally sinking in; the machiavellian gop and its gop/media complex has truly succeeded in the "dumbing down of america."
I suppose you may have a point here, considering that GOP underfunding for education is nearly a part of their platform. I suspect, nonetheless, that the dumb were out there, ripe for exploitation by the willing.
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Yeah.  Their long-standing attempt to abolish the Dept. of Education illustrate that.  The more ignorant the electorate, the more advantage the GOP has.

No Child Left Behind is a good example, too.  We can't make students flunk a grade and do it over, just because they didn't learn anything that year.  Gotta pretend they passed, otherwise it'd get parents pissed off enough to agitate for improved quality of education.

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Lets not forget that TEXAS has an outsized role in determining what is in the nation's Text books as thay are a large state and they make a stink about too much science and Sex-ed. They try their best to dumb down the educational value as to keep their electorate firmly in the column of "R".

here is their simple formula

Less Sex-Ed = more teen pregnancy = less college educated folks = populace easily scared into voting against their own self interest = more republican votes.... Rinse repeat...

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The ascenion line of Republican power passed the declination line of American intellect sometime in the 80s. It took calamity (Iraq, Katrina, the economy) to temporarily halt the trend.

Tough to save people who don't want to be saved.

It's like the old joke about the preacher in the rising flood who climbs higher and higher on his church, declining assistance, in order, from a jeep, a boat and a helicopter saying "God will provide" until he finally drowns. He meets his maker and asks why his life wasn't saved and God says, "Who do you think sent the jeep, the boat and the helicopter?"

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And the British public has not risen up to complain that their taxes help pay for his care!

I hope Investor's Daily takes a lesson from that!

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How many children in TEXAS have been refused medical care and died just because their families couldn't afford it? How many at life's near end? Speaking of 'death panels,' Texas is the road map!

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Why give such a large benefit of the doubt to Investor's? They tried to use Hawking as an example and the man smacked them down in a big way. Why would anyone want to try to take on the world's smartest person? It is like coming to a gun fight with a sharp stick.

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We're talking IBD here. Think DULL stick- very, very dull.

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I thought IBD stood for Irritable Bowel Disease.

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Well, they sure are constipated.

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Not quite correct...IBD is inflammatory bowel disease, IBS is inflammatory bowel syndrome. Either way, there's plenty of crap to go around.

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If investors have been reading this kind of stuff, no wonder the economy is in the toilet...

Hawking was diagnosed with ALS in early adulthood (while a graduate student, iirc) so in the US, no university would have hired him on tenure track, only as a no-benefits adjunct. By the time he got to the point of applying for private insurance he'd have been chockful of existing conditions, and he couldn't be on medicaid while employed and bringing in grant money...

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Just a clarification, he didn't make his statement directly to IBD, just offered his thoughts after I emailed him the editorial and the quote.

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Isn't time the free market sent a death squad to the IBD and made it go out of business? Seriously ... who reads this dull nonsense? Weren't they hawking Countrywide and other bank stocks through the end of 2007?

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Countrywide First!

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"I'm in favor of more financial deregulation."
- John McCain

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The fundamentals of our economy are strong.

And by "fundamentals" I mean our American workers.

Who are being laid off.

For being too strong.

Um, where was I going with this?

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Those "death squads." They're doing a great job, let's deregulate them, or send 'em to Iraq for 100 years. "Bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran."

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Oh, what delightful news! This starts my morning beautifully. I am delighted that one of the most profound minds of our time has weighed in on the nonsense coming out of the American GOP zoo. The stark contrast in intellectual weight and capacity is nearly a work of art.

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I was always most impressed that Hawking managed to be able to consummate an infidelity with his nurse, even for his condition. But, unless he votes Conservative, that should be a black-mark against his ability to smack-down the American Right.

By transitive property, IOKIYAR applies to cons the world over, no? &, likewise, the diminution of liberals for the same behavior?

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I hope they don't show Hawking speaking on TV through his voice box - this will convince Palin's followers special needs children will be turned into robots by the guv'mint.

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Nice...

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A small, but important critique... The preference should be to avoid the use of the term "death panel," particularly since Hawking didn't use that term and no such thing actually exists. If you can avoid the use of the term, "death panels" should be put it in quotation marks. That last you should be doing is legitimizing a ridiculous term like this. Nevertheless, the way you've used the term, you're inadvertently laying the groundwork for doing that, especially if this story is picked up by other news orgs.

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No Name:
Aren't we mocking and marginalizing them? The crowds that shouted "terrorist" and "traitor" during the McCain-Palin rallies didn't win any new friends or influence people either.

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Well We are mocking them, the MSM is giving them a platform with little(save Chris Mathews and Co) commentary on the false outrage, deliberate misinformation, corporate backing and racism.

I say put these yahoo's on the TV every night let the country see these frauds and racists for what they are. Not just say these teabaggers have their opinions but call out their lies.

Older folks of the Cronkite and Murrow eras are used to believing what their news broadcasters say, and if the fallacy of what these teabagger/ birther/ insurance industry and Repub hacks say is uncontested or put as just "One of many points of view" those folks will not be informed as they should. The repubs are happy to scare Grandma for their own political gain.

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Actually, I had subscribed to IBD for over a decade until this week. They have always had a good layout of market information, valuble charts, etc., although their market advise has appeared somewhat contrived for several years. The editorial position has always been repugnant and I have complained in the past knowing it was in vain. I guess it took something blatant like the Hawking reference to get me to pull the plug. Ironically, this error was not nearly as misleading as many of their past right wing skewed editorials. I assume it was a mistake of ignorance, however, it demonstrated the lengths they will go to in order to bring false claims into the debate.

"sbv" is certainly correct about the dumbing down of America. Our schools no longer require civics, economics, nor science classes as part of general studies. They are more often electives, if offered at all. Many current events are considered too political and off limits. If anything can be slightly controversial, it is not discussed. Critical thinking is no longer taught because students would have to actually speak about things that have substance. No wonder teachers are fed up and leaving the profession. The result of the a failing education system is now before our eyes in the form of the birthers, the deathers, and the gun toting GOP base that believes the verbal pornography of the Becks, Limbaughs, and Hannitys, and their ilk. How easily the ignorant led.

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Not to mention that critical thinking is not readily evaluated by a multiple-choice test. If you can't measure it by a fill-in-the-dots test, they don't particularly want you trying to teach it any more.

I took a long road trip last weekend and took along the audio book versions of Frank McCourt's 'Tis and Teacher Man to listen to while I was driving. McCourt was a highly innovative teacher, to the point that it sometimes got him into trouble with less imaginative administrators, but his approach is what we need a lot more of.

Part of his career was spent teaching in a vocational high school. He noticed at one point that the excuse notes that had collected in his desk, most of which, he well knew, came from the students themselves and not from their parents, were some of the best writing they had produced. So he typed them up, without names, "to protect the guilty," he said, and handed them out for discussion. Then he gave them an assignment: Write an excuse note for Adam or Eve to God. Instead of moans and groans, the kids tackled the assignment with enthusiasm and came up with some really interesting stuff.

I don't think you could come anywhere close to that in today's public schools. It's not on the SOL test, so there's no time for it. Sad, especially because what we are doing doesn't seem to be getting much in the way of results.

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It's also the reason on-line education is the current educational fad ... just answer on-line questions, pretend to pay attention and submit questions and answers in on-line chatrooms then take a proctored on-line test. I've had run-ins with this new educational elite and can tell you they haven't the slightest clue what teamwork is. They've been conditioned to work alone to solve problems and always look for the quick and easy explanation and not looking any farther. They have no idea how to disassemble a problem down to its constituent parts to understand how it works to better understand the problem they have to solve.

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Truly one of those "who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes" types of situations.

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Hi Brian,

It's erica, author of the Hawking post to which you refer. One clarification--Hawking didn't make his statement to IBD. I emailed him from the contact info on his website. His PA responded, got the quote, and specifically said that although Hawking wouldn't want to be interviewed, he did feel strongly about the subject. Just wanted to clarify that he didn't directly challenge the IBD or the press, just stated his opinion about NHS.

Thanks,

erica

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One of those proponents of civil discouse I guess...

How Un-American...

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Put me down as one who thinks TPM has to change this headline. Unless there really WAS some panel that decided to pay for Hawking's treatment, and there's nothing in the story that says that.

And so where, pray tell, is the irony?

Just make the headline something like "Without Britain's so-called "socialized medicine" I'd be dead."

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I think Sarah Palin will come out with a comment soon: "Thanks to the laser beams attached to Professor Hawking's wheelchair ... laser beams paid for by the PRIVATE SECTOR ... Hawking was able to defend himself against the Death Squads hired to kill him from the socialized medicine hit men."

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I think he has a more subtle approach. Anyone who thinks they are man enough to plug the plug on him gets a personal message from the Professor ... there's a small meteor heading towards earth, it has your name on it and it knows where you live.

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I think Stephen Hawking has the accent he has because the computerised voicebox he has was produced in the States and they don't to a British version. I once saw him lecture where he apologised for his "new" accent.

It would be ironic if (and I think this is true) the NHS paid for an American piece of technology, which would then mislead an American website into thinking he was American, thereby suggesting the orgainsation that saved his life (and invested in US technology in doing so) would have killed him.

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I suspect if anyone cares, go Google him. There's bound to be a video out there somewhere showing him speaking before the voicebox. I have a vague memory of such a video, but that was way back in the dark ages -- 1980's

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