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House Progressive: White House Could Lose 100 Votes If It Scraps Public Option

Via Firedoglake comes the below clip of Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)--a single-payer advocate--who says the White House could lose up to 100 votes in the House if the public option gets stripped from health care reform.


"The President does seem like he's moving away from the public plan," Weiner said, "and if he does, he's not going to pass a bill. Because there are just too many people in Washington who believe that the public plan was the only way that you effectively bring some downward pressure on prices.

"I think there's probably a hundred members of the House, who believe for various reasons that you need to have something to bring down prices," Weiner added, positing that co-ops won't cut it. "If you don't have a public plan...you basically have what you have today just with more people covered."

If you have a co-op plan that isn't really tethered into anything in particular, all you're really going to have is a group of people who's going to have to recruit doctors to come in and they're going to do it by offering higher reimbursement rates.

Weiner has in recent weeks become a surrogate for the public option in the House. As a member of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, he called Republicans on their bluff, offering an amendment that would have eliminated Medicare--a single-payer, government run health care system, which Republicans say, in principle, they oppose. The amendment was defeated unanimously.


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We could give the wealthy a balanced budget choice:

A public option, saving $150 billion from premium cuts that competition forces on wealthy private insurance companies.

No public option, with the forgone $150 billion collected as a surtax on the wealthy.

Let's see how that sorts out.

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The public option is in. Now it's out. Now it's in. Now it's out. Someone call me when this is over and let me know how it turns out.

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"You do the Hokey-Pokey and you turn yourself about. . . "

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It's getting frustrating. Do you think there was anything planned about this weekend's mixed messages? And is it even possible for President Obama to smooth this over???

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Obama has said the same thing all along. He believes the public option is the best means to the desired end, but it's the end that's important, not the means. If someone offers a different means that achieves same end, he's open to alternatives.

Of course, that doesn't make for a good story, so we get his endless back and forth about whether he's committed to it or not. Blah, blah, blah.

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Via Firedoglake comes the below clip of Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)--a single-payer advocate--who says the White House Democrats could lose up to 100 votes in the House if the public option gets stripped from health care reform.

FIFY, Weiner. You people in the Congress are the ones in charge of writing up and passing the bill. President Obama is the one who gets to sign it in the Rose Garden (or privately in his office (or not at all) if you guys fuck it all up). Don't put the blame on the President. That belongs with you and the other guys working with you.

Now get to work and stop blaming other people for your own screwups.

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I guess the S tag doesn't work. Could have told me that. Now I look like an idiot.

What I meant to say:

Via Firedoglake comes the below clip of Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY)--a single-payer advocate--who says Democrats could lose up to 100 votes in the House if the public option gets stripped from health care reform.

FIFY. Properly, this time.

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yes, i'd like to know what these guys in congress are doing to convince the senate to pass a public option.

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Best I can tell, no one can tell the Senate anything.

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Lay off this guy. He's the one who threw in the "Scrap the Socialized Medicare" amendment and also tried to put the public option into an amendment as well (he pulled it because Pelosi promised a floor vote for it).

He's doing everything he can. No one else seems to be listening to him.

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Obama is not an innocent bystander -- he's so-called political leader who has been leaking surrender messages for over a month now.

Rep. Weiner is pushing back -- warning Obama that if he does not want to fail -- if he wants health insurance reform of any kind -- he is going to have to take the interest of the people as represented by progressive Democrats into account rather than just ki$$ing Blue Dog and Insurance Company a$$.

It is high time that liberals learned to play as much hard ball as the right.

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How about we also remove the exemption that the health insurance industry has from the anti trust laws! Bust these companies up!

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BINGO!! God I'm glad someone brought this up. Wouldn't that bring the real health care we're looking for?

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Paul Krugman, if you read the Swiss Menace carefully is also caving on the public option. Between the lines in the column you'll notice that he likens the US reform efforts as aiming toward a Swiss system, which when you read his blog, you discover does not have a public option in other words assuming strict regulation the public option is not "essential element"

Yglesias accurately describes the stakes

This Atlantic article on our badly broken health care system by David Goldhill is very good. It makes the case, correctly, that the entire health care system should be totally different from how it is. I agree with a lot of it. But I think Goldhill is deploying his insights to the pretty insidious purpose of arguing against the kind of health reforms that now exist in the congress. The simple fact of the matter is that defeating the current reform effort is not going to lead to the emergence of some alternative, radically different health care reform. Defeat of the current legislative effort will demoralize proponents of health reform, teach politicians that any talk of modifying Medicare is politically toxic, and basically result in another 10-15 years of the status quo followed by some kind of budget crisis.

Passing the kind of ideas that are currently on the table would still leave us with a system with a lot of problems. But it would ameliorate several of those problems, and solve a few. It would also, I think, teach politicians the lesson that it’s possible to change the health care system. And that might lead to more and better reforms down the road.


He also provides a link to this excellent Reform Flow Chart

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BTt4cJQj7GI/Sol7S9NA7QI/AAAAAAAAACo/YIwN-rOQCRQ/s1600-h/hayes_flowchart.PNG


My sole concern at this point is process - shut Circus Baucus down and get to conference as soon as possible.

Make no mistake - 'Bagger led, the GOP's objective is to defeat any form of health care reform.

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Well, I was going to say something of the sort but I will simply echo Yglesias.

I realize a lot of this is all just machinations and debate posturing for negotiation purposes but walking away from what is good in this bill in some grand gesture to save th public option is falling on your sword. If we keep the ball moving forward, even incrementally, it keeps reform alive. Nothing now is death for reform for decades. But know this, the piper will be paid someday. Gov't costs for medicare will continue to skyrocket and the cuts in the future wil be draconian indeed. Anything we can do to prevent that will be worthwhile.

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Gov't costs for medicare will continue to skyrocket and the cuts in the future wil be draconian indeed.

Which is exactly what the Republicans want. They've been dying to find a way to kill Medicare and Social Security for decades.

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I guess I'm cynical enough to believe that that is true of some on the other side. But honestly it's not true of all of them. There are plenty of honest Republicans and moderates out there who want what is best for the country....they just have different ideas about how to do it. I am sure these rational folks are quite adverse the concept of bankrupting the country for ideology's sake. We just need them to make their stand.

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To go one step further I'd say it's the GOP's objective to defeat any form of ANYTHING that Obama puts forward. I don't think I've ever seen an all out assault on a POTUS of this magnitude by a minority party. They want him to fail so Republicans can win even if it's at the expense of the country. They're doing everything they can to create the illusion to the populace that the screamers and teabaggers represent the majority of Americans.

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No, the bagger and ReThug aim is to defeat Obama -- they don't care too much what is actually in the bill and there is no concession Obama could make to them that would get them to vote for the bill: First, because the most important thing for them is for Obama to go down (even if he takes the country with him) and Second) they have so convinced their base on the basis of imaginary threats that the whole concept is toxic that they probably can't vote for ANY form of it without facing a primary.

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Thank you Rep. Weiner. This is what I want to hear Congressmembers saying. Now please remember we're counting on you to follow through on what you say...

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Dems need to reframe the discussion. Call it the American Option.

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What the hell is an American Option?

George Lakoff is speaking gibberish.

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Gibberish sells or hadn't you noticed?

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If there was ever a time for a national referendum--THEN THIS IS DEFINITELY IT? Of all the issues the ones that will influence the American peoples economy, culture, language and society for decades to come, is Health care and illegal immigration. Neither political party, special interest lobbyists nor anybody else should be able to use their influence the running of our country. The United States--VOTER--should have the last word, not corrupt members of the Democratic leadership, the Republican minority party and certainly not La Raza or ACLU, US Chamber of Commerce, Council of Foreign Relations, Cato Institute, billionaire George Soros, Ford Foundation and a multitude of self interest groups. In health care the insurance companies have used their political currency, to weaken any prospect of a Canadian or European style public health care option. 2/3 of America insist on the single payer system like Canada and the European developed nations.

The rest of these despicable organizations want the free flow of cheap labor that is already swarming across our nation, even though we are in a deep recession and millions of US citizens and legal residence are jobless. As I speak 1.5 million new immigrants entered America and that's not counting the illegal aliens who extract from taxpayers everyday. Our politicians can no longer demand of the people, to pay for foreign national health care, when they cannot afford it for their own families? How many more years are the people to be dictated to the power of profiteering insurance companies? How many decades must taxpayers is forced to pay for illegal immigrants and families, who have already broken our laws of sovereignty and expect to be rewarded with another blanket AMNESTY.

How can we assume our legislators to honor the “Rule of Law”, when they have already stone-walled us over the 1986 immigration enforcement law? Millions of loyal Americans who have already commanded E-Verify extraction tool in the workplace (section of the SAVE ACT) 287 G police enforcement, no match letter and the ICE raids of illegal immigrant. But we must maintain the bombardment if you want a health care public option choice? Whether you want to keep on supporting the impoverished, unschooled of foreign nations that skirt our laws? CALL YOUR SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES FOR WHAT YOU WANT AT 202-224-3121? NOT WHAT THE SPECIAL INTEREST LOBBY HAS PAID FOR? Read about the trillions to be spent on giving AMNESTY to illegal immigrants at the Heritage Foundation. GOOGLE more facts on the web, or search for the truth at NUMBERSUSA.

Observe this PETITION to STOP any health care to illegal immigrants at: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/nohealthcareforillegals

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Are there no prisons? If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

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Mr. Scrooge, I presume.

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Is Lyndon LaRousche still alive?

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Interestingly, though it hasn't been very widely reported, he's been a significant driver behind the "tea party" protests.

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He lives on, in the above poster and the crank last week who suggested that illegal immigrants needed "a bullet to the head".

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If the Radical right foils this Health Care Bill; The Democratic Congress must strip ANY and ALL money to Insurance Companies, Phrama, and Health care. Let them deal in a real "FREE" market environment. Billons of dollars go to these industries to help Americans that is socialism also and must be killed too!!! I am tried of hearing their hypocritical speech. Freedom, well show them freedom!!! Damm right I’m mad and I’ve enough. They want Health Care to be an all or nothing proposition, so be it!!! See where their insurance premiums go then. Stupid is as stupid does…

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WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA!!!!
That's corporate socialism and it's AOK. Price supports for corporate farmers in Nebraska and the Dakotas is also AOK. Bailing out Wall Street is AOK.
My dear Santee, when are you going to get your head on straight?

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Brittanicus has it. In this case our Republic form of government is not working because of the control of special interests. Why not let the voters decide such an important issue? It is obvious the politicians have no concern for the welfare of our citizens.

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