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Landrieu: Under "Very Few, If Any" Circumstances Would I Support A Public Option


Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA)

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Speaking before what was described as a friendly crowd at the Monroe Chamber of Commerce yesterday, Sen. Mary Landrieu said she was opposed to much of the Democrats' legislative agenda.

Asked under what circumstances she would support a public option, Landrieu responded, "[v]ery few, if any. I'd prefer a private market-based approach to any health care reform that would extend coverage," according to the Monroe News Star.

"I'd like to cover everyone -- that would be the moral thing to do -- but it would be immoral to bankrupt the country while doing so," Landrieu said. The public option as currently conceived is expected to be a deficit reducer.

Landrieu also said she'd continue her long history of opposition to a cap and trade system to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. "I'm not supporting that approach, but I'm open to hear modifications," she said.

Landrieu has also balked at the idea that she and other Democrats should be expected to oppose filibusters as a procedural matter. "I'm going to keep an open mind, but I am not committing to any procedural straitjackets one way or another," she said in July.

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August 27, 2009 9:13 AM   

To Defeat Public Option, Insurance Companies Employ the ‘Statue of Liberty Play’
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=8467

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August 28, 2009 10:10 AM    in reply to DonDavis

She is signaling for a 'PAYOFF"! Good old Louisiana politics..Call her and tell her to do the job she was elected to do for the people! 1.800.828.0498.

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August 27, 2009 9:15 AM   

It's not the lack of party loyalty that gets me about this woman. It's the sheer stupidity. She's not Palin/Steele stupid, but lord, she's just the most hard-headedly, narrow-minded Democrat in the Senate. Ben Nelson included.

But that said, she basically just annouced her vote on cloture was going to have to be purchased. And she thinks she's being coy.

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August 27, 2009 9:24 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Well unfortunately, a lot blue dogs are not the brightest bulbs in the package.

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August 27, 2009 9:28 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Nobody expected this horrendously corrupt POS to vote like a Democrat.

Call her bluff.

I think we need to come down hard on traitors.

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August 27, 2009 12:39 PM    in reply to AnswerFrog

For starters, apparently 23+% of Louisianans under 65 have no health insurance. [see http://www.statehealthfacts.org/ This is a good site, I think, run by Kaiser Health. Full of stats sliced and diced every which way.]

Louisiana progressives should be pointing this out to their fellow citizens.

In addition, Landrieu's political contributions should be checked to see how she's getting from the medical-industrial complex (plus the energy sector).

I bet there's enough info available if it's hunted to connect a few interesting dots.

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August 27, 2009 9:30 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

ps.. Is there any journalist left who can ask the question to these Blue Dogs?

"The public option as currently conceived is expected to be a deficit reducer. Why fget rid of something which will bring costs DOWN"

Jesus christ, are there any real reporters out there who can ask a follow up? Anyone? Buehler? Anyone?

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August 27, 2009 11:45 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Can you say "DINO"? I knew you could....

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August 27, 2009 9:24 AM   

immoral to bankrupt the country

##$!@#!#@

Another 8-year amnesiac?

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August 27, 2009 9:30 AM   

immoral to bankrupt the country

this coming from someone who voted for the bush tax cuts.

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August 27, 2009 9:47 AM   

Can Obama make a speech and the theme be "How can you call yourself a Democrat and not support a public option"? Call all the poseurs out. Passionately,just like Teddy would say it:
As long as I have a voice in the United States Senate, it's going to be for that Democratic platform plank that provides decent quality health care north and south, east and west, for all Americans as a matter of right and not a privilege.

And if anyone has a problem with it they can go ahead and switch parties or fillibuster. Does Obama have that kind of leadership ability? I wish I knew.

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August 27, 2009 10:13 AM    in reply to Seeryer

Very smart. Call out by name, in a speech to the whole country, the Dems whose vote you will need in the next 3-8 years. Let's alienate and lose the trust of other Dems in Congress who will find this move distasteful.

brilliant. just brilliant.

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August 27, 2009 10:31 AM    in reply to VivaAmerica!

You seem to be forgetting that his most important job is to continually satisfy the incessant need of Democratic activists to have their partisan rhetoric pleasure centers lit up. Sometimes, it seems like half of them insist that he's indistinguishable from George W. Bush while the other half complain that he's not enough like George W. Bush.

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August 27, 2009 12:41 PM    in reply to VivaAmerica!

Just what I was thinking. President Obama is running a marathon, not a 100-metre dash.

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August 27, 2009 3:47 PM    in reply to VivaAmerica!

The bottom line is Social Security and Medicare are "public options" and now we have DINOs saying they can't support a public option when it comes to health reform? These people need to realize what a Democrat is before running as one. I would challenge these people to fillibuster a bill with a public option and they won't get re-elected anyway. You may call me stupid but I bleed Democratic ideals and values and Landrieu is pathetic. She needs to be called out for it.

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August 27, 2009 9:49 AM   

She just won reelection for Christ's sake. What a profile in cowardice.

And incoherence:

"I'd like to cover everyone -- that would be the moral thing to do -- but it would be immoral to bankrupt the country while doing so," Landrieu said.

. . conveniently ignoring the fact that the public option will lower costs, not raise them. Not to mention ignoring the fact that health care reform will pay for itself and reduce costs over the long run.

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August 27, 2009 10:43 AM    in reply to Moose49

Actually, contrary to something I just said below, you raise a good point that's kinda gotten me mad all over again. She's not up for reelection for five more godammned years. If she's saying this stuff, it's stuff, it's because she believes it, not because she's worried about6 losing.

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August 27, 2009 10:54 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

If she's saying this stuff, it's stuff, it's because she believes it . . .

You're much too kind. My view is it's either because she's chicken shit or because she's been bought by the insurance industry.

By the way, a good perspective on how critical the public option is was provided by Allan Sloan, a generally non-ideological business columnist, in today's Washington Post. I don't agree with everything he writes, but it's a good piece that all public option opponents should read: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/26/AR2009082603483.html

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August 27, 2009 9:50 AM   

She's been bribed. Let's support a REAL Democrat to run against her.

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August 27, 2009 11:02 AM    in reply to Texar

Psalm 15

1 O Lord, who may abide in your tent? Who may dwell on your holy hill? 2 Those who walk blamelessly, and do what is right, . . . . 5 who do not lend money at interest, and do not take a bribe against the innocent. Those who do these things shall never be moved.

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August 27, 2009 11:25 AM    in reply to Texar

And then you lose the seat entirely when the Republican beats the primary challenger in the general. Cutting off your nose to spite your face, just like the Republicans' attempts at party purity.

I guess that, because of the political demographics of this country, the Dems won't be able to keep control of Congress and/or the White House without the help of Blue Dog types. There are just too many parts of this country who won't vote for Democratic congressmen and senators like Schumer or even Evan Bayh.

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August 27, 2009 12:33 PM    in reply to Texar

So a person can't be Conservative fiscally while being Liberal socially?

And What if she is just reflecting the public opinion in her area? Do we know if she is or not? I don't. But if she is reflecting that opinion of her constituents is it wrong?


Do you think we can cover the entire country and have the same benefits the average American has today and not go bankrupt or lower the standard of living for a majority of Americans in the process?

Didn't a guy in Canada keep getting denied medicine that may help because of the cost vs benefit or something? (The answer is yes).

Fix TennCare, Fix Medical Care at Reservations, and the VA hospital care and then when I want to go there for coverage, let's put the plan in place.

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August 27, 2009 12:44 PM    in reply to Garlyn

There are two issues. First, on cloture; she should be told (quietly) that LA will never get so much as a federally funded ammonia puck if she opposes health care reform by filibuster. Period. Then let her vote her conscience when she lacks procedural muscle. That way, she can play both sides of it.

The public option does not stop people from getting private insurance. (Hell, even medicare for all would not stop that). She's been bought. She does need to be politically threatened, and the D's need to be willing to say that at some point, we're willing to lose that seat because there is no difference between you and an R.

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August 27, 2009 1:24 PM    in reply to rumpole

Actually, Medicare-for-All would kill the private insurance industry as currently written. It requires every single health-related company in the country to be non-profit or government within 15 years.

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August 27, 2009 1:39 PM    in reply to jason everett miller

Well, good thing rumpole wasn't talking about Medicare-for-all then! Disingenious much?

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August 27, 2009 1:45 PM    in reply to Obey

Actually, that is exactly what rumpole was talking about.

The public option does not stop people from getting private insurance. ( Hell, even medicare for all would not stop that). She's been bought.
Read much?

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August 27, 2009 2:40 PM    in reply to jason everett miller

I'm not sure I understand. If you took out the words "over 65" from medicare, you could still buy private insurance absent a prohibition against private insurance. That prohibition does not exist. You are required to pay medicare premiums; you are not required to sign up for it.

As to its market effect--much (virtually all) of the market for private insurance would be gone, but I suspect that there would still be a market for plans that delivered what Medicare did not. CEO-level folks will want platinum type coverage, and there will be a market for it.

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August 27, 2009 7:27 PM    in reply to rumpole

HR 676 is the bill currently in the House as the way to implement Medicare-for-All. It doesn't simply lift the age limit from Medicare. It changes the entire nature of the medical system and would put every for-profit insurer and provider out of business.

I agree that offering Medicare as the "public option" as a way of reforming it to make it more sustainable would have been a no brainer and could have sold like hot cakes. Too bad no one in the democratic party actually offered a bill to do that.

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August 28, 2009 3:03 PM    in reply to jason everett miller

Ok--that makes sense. I wasn't referring to the house bill. (I didn't even know that was its name). What I had in mind was your second point (e.g., medicare for all, but you don't have to have it).

Thanks for clearing that up.

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August 27, 2009 1:34 PM    in reply to Garlyn

Sure, she does. But she also has an obligation to point out the large amount of federal aid pouring into her state because of Democratic legislation enacted over the decades.

Does she believe that we should let the aftermath of natural disasters be handled by the "free market"? What about lunch programs? What about education assistance? What about health assistance?

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August 27, 2009 9:54 AM   

To be honest, Landrieu is just being an advocate for her state. If Louisianns' were polled I bet they would be against the public option.

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August 27, 2009 10:47 AM    in reply to Maritza

one of the poorest states in the union, probably with a very high percentage of uninsured. The Stoopid, it hurts.

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August 27, 2009 10:17 AM   

why blame the parasites like landrieu?

lets be honest here.
could these politicins exist if the people voting for them were not so dumb?

and in some cases just motivated by pure hate?

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August 27, 2009 10:23 AM   

Landrieu really needs to switch parties and help the stupid asses of LA out. Politicians have let LA and NO down and the hurt will continue to be felt for many years to come. She is a joke of a democrat and I don't count of her for everything!

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August 27, 2009 10:24 AM   

I think she is communicating to the President, Dems, and her constituency that she wants heathcare but the benefits need to be more effectivly communicated to make it possible.

She saying "I believe in and can sell the moral aspect of this, but I need help fighting the miscinception that it will Bankrupt the country in the process".

Dems should see her statement(and any statement by a politician, in general) in the context of the wiggle room left in the statement. Wiggle room in statements are cries for political cover.

In a sense she is right, without an effective strategy for exposing the benefits, why should people support it?

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August 27, 2009 10:47 AM    in reply to _jonny_5_

I agree that better communication and messaging would help overall. But let's get one thing straight - if Landrieu votes for any healthcare reform that can be viewed in any way as an Obama win, a big portion of her constituency will be unhappy. This is not the Louisiana of 1992. This is the Louisiana that voted for McCain 59-40. This is the Louisiana that will likely put Vitter back in the Senate. The Louisiana that, if polled, would probably respond very similar to the way Arkansas did in that recent PPP poll. Landrieu would have to base her vote on what she thinks is right, not what the majority of her constituents want...because many of her constituents want nothing more than to see that colored boy go down in flames. Remember, Obama won only 14% of the white vote in the state. 14 freaking percent. Even in Arkansas Obama was able to draw 30% of white voters.

It's a shame because most black voters in Louisiana, especially in New Orleans parish, loved and continue to love Landrieu's dad, former NO Mayor Moon Landrieu. But now it appears she is playing to the Obama haters.

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August 27, 2009 11:01 AM    in reply to ogliberal

"Landrieu would have to base her vote on what she thinks is right, not what the majority of her constituents want...because many of her constituents want nothing more than to see that colored boy go down in flames. "

Agreed, and frankly a cloture vote is the best we could hope for with her (and really, thats fine). Perhaps as Crazy August winds down, and the topic starts to take a clearer shape there might be enough cover, combined w/ the fact that there is 5 years until her next election, we might just get that cloture vote.

Although if we are counting on an electorate's mood changing in our favor, I think we might just be better off pursuing Snowe and Collins.

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August 27, 2009 10:28 AM   

So -if she will not vote for what the people want -83%- remove her.

Simple healthcare reform or the screen door...

Corporate wealth = reform death...

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August 27, 2009 10:40 AM    in reply to Docb

She's not elected by "the people." She's elected by whoever shows up on election day in a deep red Republican state, where a lot of the jobs and campaign cash come from from the oil and chemical companies and that the Katrina Exodus made even more Republican.

She's dumb. I said that. But, like Nelson, she's definitely in synch with her electorate and, like Nelson, there's not a chance in hell a "better" Democrat could win a general election match there. Maybe a smarter one could, but I doubt a "better" one, in the sense of one whose votes would make us much happier than hers.

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August 27, 2009 10:52 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

"But, like Nelson, she's definitely in synch with her electorate"

Well said, and that is how it should be. Now if I could just convince My Sen. Judd Gregg to vote with his electorate it would be a wash.

per my post above, I think this is an effective communication to the President and Dems from Landrieu, "I can help, if you can help bring my electorate along" and that is how the game should be played.

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August 27, 2009 11:56 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

Which is the higher federal responsibility: to slavishly parrot the narrow interests of one's local electorate and thereby secure reelection; or to deliberate the national good and vote for the policies that advance the welfare of the people of the U.S.?

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August 27, 2009 10:30 AM   

I would like to see that poll. I don't the 4th poorest state in the US would vote against the Public Option

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August 27, 2009 10:37 AM    in reply to tonykc1

You must not get it, these people vote against their own interests ALL THE TIME

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August 27, 2009 11:45 AM    in reply to theone718

Read Thomas Frank's book "What's the Matter With Kansas?" It does a great job of describing this phenomena.

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August 27, 2009 10:53 AM    in reply to tonykc1

There are a lot of poor folks in Louisiana, both white and black. But the last thing many of those poor white folks want to see is some sort of government assistance going to the even poorer black folks, even if it means that they won't get the assistance themselves. And I'm sure that many of those poor white folks think that Obama's primary goal while in office is to hand over all kinds of cash to the brothers.

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August 27, 2009 10:36 AM   

Sounds like she is in the McCain camp in healthcare..

http://tinyurl.com/l292sd

...Louisiana's senior senator has voiced opposition to a health insurance overhaul that includes a public plan to compete with the private sector, a key component of the outline President Barack Obama presented Congress. She calls a public plan too expensive for the federal budget and says any effort should focus first on containing costs in the current system, before attempting to expand coverage. The chairwoman of the Small Business Subcommittee, Landrieu also has expressed doubts about mandating that employers provide coverage.

Landrieu has since 2007 been co-sponsor of the proposed Wyden-Bennett bill, health care legislation geared in part toward moving the country away from an employment-based insurance system. Generally, the bill would remove income tax exemptions on health benefits but grant generous tax incentives to cover policy premiums. Despite Landrieu's efforts on the Wyden-Bennett bill, most Capitol watchers believe the Senate will act on whatever emerges from separate negotiations among key members of the Finance Committee....snip

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August 27, 2009 10:37 AM   

Look, during her campaign last year they ran ads ATTACKING her on how much she voted with Obama. I understand why she is a shill. As long as she votes for cloture though.

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August 27, 2009 10:39 AM   

I wish Obama would throw a little LBJ her way. Perhaps Move On can help convince her.

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August 27, 2009 10:55 AM    in reply to amber

You realize it's not 1965, right?

People are constantly saying Obama needs to do some LBJ style pursuasion. Let's leave aside, for the moment, that LBJ was sui generis, a one of a kind powerhouse of physical intimidation and hypnotic pursuasion that, even at the time, used to leave people wondering whether someone had gotten the number of that truck that hit them. Forget the unctious, extroverted personality and 6 foot 3 inch Texan who has no sense for boundries or personal space factors. The the fact remains that neither the big bag of clubs nor the big jar of honey he used to carry even exist anymore.

he post Watergate campaign finance reforms, revisions to the Senate rules to make things more "democratic," the political reforms that killed off the last of the state machines, and the demise of out and out blackmail as an acceptable political tool have made it impossible for there ever to be another LBJ.

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August 27, 2009 11:06 AM    in reply to The Commenter Formerly Known as NCSteve

If you want to work on Landrieu work on Louisianians. Have you seen what kind of support there is down there for health care reform and cap and trade? Cap and trade is somewhat at least understandable, a lot of people down on the coast make their livings in the oil industry. But health care reform? Democrats down there have to do a better grassroots job explaining it and building support so Mary looks at the polls in a month and says to herself "maybe voting for this won't get me fired afterall".

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August 27, 2009 11:07 AM   

Mary Landrieu is careful not to totally dismiss the possibility of voting for the public option. She's a Louisiana Senator and therefore has a price.

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August 27, 2009 11:07 AM   

She's saying "I believe in and can sell the moral aspect of this, but I need help fighting the misconception that it will Bankrupt the country in the process".

Rubbish. She's using the misconception that it will bankrupt the country in the process to provide cover for walking away from any moral issues raised by pur system for health care provision.

She's in the goddamn tree-house, and is looking for any way to make pulling up the ladder look like anything other than what it is.

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August 27, 2009 11:18 AM    in reply to Davis_X_Machina

You may be right, however, I stand by my read of the situation, I usually save my pessimism and scorn for Repubs.

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August 27, 2009 11:22 AM   

Seriously, we've worked too hard and have come too far to give this up to people who think the president is a foreign-born enemy. Look at what we've accomplished in a matter of four years. Our president is a black man named Barack Obama. We've come a long way America. Go make them own this!!

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August 27, 2009 11:46 AM    in reply to Chris

August is always a crazy month. Remember last year w/ the grandstanding about off-shore drilling in the House with dim lights during the recess? I Thought it might have a negative effect in the '08 elections, but we didn't allow it.

We'll let the Town-hall dust settle in early Sept. and see where we are.

It's not time to get too worked up about the perception if a set back, nor is it time to be complacent.

Hold firm, we'll get there.

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August 27, 2009 12:10 PM   

If the fine voters of the Great State of Louisiana want Sen. Jindal to represent them, I am sure they'll elect him

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August 27, 2009 12:10 PM   

Oh when, oh when will the sign-in process be fixed here??

Anyways, about this story - WRONG QUESTION! The question is no longer "are you prepared to support a public option?", the question is "are YOU prepared to join a GOP filibuster of a health care reform program which contains a significant public option as a component?"

THAT is the question we need Dems on record answering 'yes' or 'no'.

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August 27, 2009 12:12 PM    in reply to onceler

I agree.

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August 27, 2009 12:11 PM   

AFAIAC she can vote against health care. She's a Dem in a pretty red state. I get it.

But if she votes against CLOTURE that's something different... it raises the question of how is she any better than a Republican in that seat.

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August 27, 2009 12:26 PM    in reply to agio

To answer that question, an incompetent NON-racist beats a a competent racist hands-down, every time.

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August 27, 2009 2:06 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

Well, a severed arm beats a severed head, as well.

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August 27, 2009 2:53 PM    in reply to agio

Agreed.... but which would you rather.

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August 28, 2009 9:07 PM    in reply to _jonny_5_

So any republican from Louisiana is a racist? No wonder democrats can never get anything done. The insult most of the people they need to convince before actually trying to convince them.

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August 27, 2009 12:18 PM   

How about this, Mary: Instead of whistling past the graveyard, try actually LEADING.

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August 27, 2009 12:29 PM   

She's doing the best she can with what she has to work with. Louisiana didn't used to be that bad or maybe its just nostalgia

Anyway, the public option is still the Peoples' Choice, outside of the New Confederacy

US: Health Care (AARP 8/12-13) from Pollster.com All Content by pollster.emily@gmail.com (Emily Swanson) by Emily Swanson

AARP / Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates (D)
8/12-13/09; 1,000 adults, 3.1% margin of error
Mode: Internet
(PSB: release, toplines)

To what degree do you favor or oppose the following health care proposals?

Making insurance available to everyone regardless of their health history
86% Favor, 11% Oppose

Starting a new federal health insurance plan that individuals could purchase if they can't afford private plans offered to them
79% Favor, 18% Oppose

Keeping health insurance mainly a private industry but allowing the government to serve as an industry watchdog to help expand coverage and keep an eye on costs
62% Favor, 32% Oppose

Requiring everyone to either accept employer-provided health insurance or purchase a health insurance policy
45% Favor, 48% Oppose

Do you favor or oppose using the following things to raise money to fund health care improvements?

Limiting the deductions that higher-income people can claim on their income tax returns
72% Favor, 23% Oppose

Taxing employers that do not provide health insurance to their employees
68% Fsavor, 29% Oppose

Taxing employees who receive more than the average amount of health care benefits from their employees
34% Favor, 60% Oppose

Looking for savings in the current Medicare system to pay for health care reform
68% Favor, 27% oppose

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August 27, 2009 12:39 PM   

Gee, why doesn't that surprise me, Pandrieu?

She is really the worst of the cowardly Democrats. She is so frightened of offending the worst of her constituents that she'd probably hang Obama in effigy if she thought it would help her keep her seat.

Good god, woman! Stand up for something for once in your life!

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August 27, 2009 12:43 PM    in reply to chimpale

Pandrieu...that's good! This woman has the good fortune of hurricane Katrina displacing a lot of her constituents, or she would be run out on a rail.

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August 27, 2009 1:11 PM   

As we lay Teddy to rest, this idiot has no clue what it means to be a Democrat.

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August 27, 2009 2:15 PM   

I don't think I would actually list her as Democrat or Republican (but if the shoe fits...)...I would list her as a politician with no scruples (we have plenty of those, both parties)...she evidently didn't mind fibbing a bit to get elected into office...closer to where the money is..more chances to spin the corporate "pay-to-play" wheel...why should Baucus, Conrad, Grassley, Leiberman, Hatch, etc,. be the only ones feeding at that trough...

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August 27, 2009 3:31 PM   

It's pathetic how the poorest, worst run states (Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Alabama) are controlled by modern-day Plantation Owners, like Landrieu.

Louisiana: Sharecroppers United Against the Public Option!

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August 27, 2009 4:33 PM    in reply to Dave Bowman

These are also the states that are taking ~$1.50 for every dollar they send to the Federal Gov't. We should be complaining about supporting their poor asses.

Lets also not forget the regional customs of fried food and fat asses. So why do we want to give them heathcare? Lets just set heathcare funding by region and have them pay extra for their unhealthy habits. Repubs say they like "personal responability" let them have it.

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August 27, 2009 3:49 PM   

Well I'm confused, Senator. I KNOW we don't have a public option at this time. Doesn't that mean we ALREADY HAVE a private, free market approach? So that means we already have extended coverage? We already have low costs? We already have the best of the best? What reform, then are you advocating? Why don't you just come out and say "WE HAVE NO PROBLEM"?

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August 27, 2009 9:10 PM    in reply to CranialRectalLoopback

Because she'd be hanging herself. The population as a whole may argue over what needs to be done, but a solid majority agrees there is actually a problem.

She has to cover her hide somehow, even if it's only in her mind.

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August 28, 2009 12:03 AM   

You of all people should for a robust health care reform, including at least a public option. What is wrong with your thinking?

Do the right thing.

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