Bob McDonnell, the Republican nominee for Governor of Virginia, just had an unusually long conference call with reporters -- about 80 minutes -- in which he sought to walk back and minimize any political damage that might occur from his recently-revealed 1989 master's thesis at Regent University, in which the then-34-year-old McDonnell laid out a comprehensive religious right political program.
(For more goodies from the thesis, check out our write-up at TPMmuckraker.)
Said McDonnell: "A contention by my opponent [state Sen. Creigh Deeds] that a 20-year-old academic exercise somehow represents my 18-year career in public service is just a flat misrepresentation, and the Senator well knows that.'
McDonnell, point by point, disowned the positions he took in the thesis -- even at one point minimizing it as a "term paper." He said that he respects women in the workplace; that he would not try to re-restrict divorce; that he does not advocate discrimination against gays; and that he does not regard civil law is subject to Biblical law.
"Government should not discriminate based on race or sex or creed or sexual orientation," said McDonnell. "And as Attorney General I had a very clear hiring policy in my office. We discriminated on no basis at all. I said I wanted the best and brightest people to work in my office."
He also said that he would not use government to go after unmarried couples: "I don't think the government's got any business when it comes to cohabitation or any other living arrangements whatsoever."
"I can only tell you that I am fully supportive of women working int he workplace," he also said. "My wife works, my daughters work. My campaign manager in 2005 was a working mother, and Sen. Deeds knows that because he knew my campaign manager at the time."
"I do not advocate the repeal of no-fault divorce," he later added, favoring other ways to build strong families. For example, he has supported covenant marriage, which is a voluntary arrangement under which couples agree up front to restrictions on divorce, and has attracted bipartisan support -- including from Dem Gov. Tim Kaine, McDonnell pointed out.
Furthermore, McDonnell said he wasn't even that familiar with his writings of 20 years ago, that it's been such a long time. "I haven't looked and read that in 20 years," he said. "But I'm telling you what's important is what are the positions I've held as a Delegate, and what the positions I've held as Attorney General."
McDonnell repeatedly said that he was not speaking against women in the workplace: "It was evaluating a trend in the culture. It was evaluating about 30 years of a change in policy, and any indications I gave in that paper that I didn't think women should work, I absolutely and fully repudiate it."
He also accused Deeds of being the one who was turning to a divisive social agenda, as opposed to concrete problems like jobs, in order to gain votes. And he went back to his own family on multiple occasions to make the point.
"I'm insulted by Sen. Deeds, to be able to suggest today that somehow I don't support working women or women in the workforce," said McDonnell. "For me to have my daughter over in Iraq, flying around in a Blackhawk, dodging bullets in a convoy when we were running against each other in 2005 [McDonnell very narrowly defeated Deeds for state Attorney General in 2005], and for my daughters to be encouraged by me to gain master's degrees -- for him to suggest that I somehow don't support women in the workplace is insulting."
I asked McDonnell about sections from the thesis in which he said civil government does not have the authority to redefine family relationships that originated before civil government itself, in the Garden of Eden, and also that government is constrained by the limited powers given to it by God. Does he believe that civil laws contradicting the Bible are not legitimate?
"No," he said. "Again, this was a 20-year-old paper that informed a lot by the readings that I had done at the time. I do believe -- again, based on my Catholic teaching, that the institution of the family goes back to the dawn of time. I think most people within the Christian faith, that's sort of an accepted understanding from the Garden of Eden. So I do believe that as my personal belief. But I have demonstrated form my 18 years in political office, that there is a distinction between one's personal views and what's permissible in the law. I do believe that the civil authority has the authority and has for some time to regulate the laws of marriage and divorce. That goes back to the early days in England where we got most of America's early laws."


FreeRider
August 31, 2009 5:55 PM
These republicans fixated on Michelle Obama's college thesis simply because she said she felt isolated as a black person in an overwhelmingly white academic environment. That's not controversial and she wasn't running for office.
But they want us to ignore this guy's caveman thinking and make him governor? I don't think so!
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Kuyleh
August 31, 2009 8:05 PM in reply to FreeRider
Of course...God says the things McDonnell wants to shove down out throats. And God is ALWAYS right, ya know?
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FebM
August 31, 2009 9:28 PM in reply to Kuyleh
You don't mean God? do you? I think you meant the Republican gop its a small negligible difference in spelling.....
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Kuyleh
August 31, 2009 10:38 PM in reply to FebM
Naw, I was talking about God. You know, the one that talks to Palin and Bacchmann? But the GOP could work too...
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FebM
August 31, 2009 11:01 PM in reply to Kuyleh
their divine, deity is called GOP, it couldn't possibly be GOD, thats why they are able to bear false witness, covet their neighbors eeeehhhmmm, and speak in strange tongues all the time because at the beginning neocons created Gop(d) in their own image
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DancingBear
September 1, 2009 8:34 AM in reply to FreeRider
And Michele wasn't 34 when she wrote her paper. During this long conference call, did anyone ask him he he believed it when he wrote it? If not, why did he write it? If so, what made him change his mind?
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CT Voter
August 31, 2009 6:06 PM
Next time he holds a conference call about this (which will be never, I suspect), ask him if also rejects his recommendation for the repeal of the inheritance tax.
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Walter Mitty
August 31, 2009 6:12 PM
He was 34 years old when he wrote this. This walk back now is done with a wink to the wing nuts that he needs to play this game to get elected.
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DrToast
August 31, 2009 6:15 PM in reply to Walter Mitty
Yeah, but he was a young 34. Very impressionable.
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CN
August 31, 2009 7:14 PM in reply to DrToast
That's his excuse in a nutshell. Shorter McDonnell: "Regent was teaching that fundamentalist claptrap... and I bought it hook, line, and sinker. I'll believe anything I'm told, no matter how whacked -- at least for a few years until I come to my senses."
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slb
September 1, 2009 1:47 AM in reply to CN
Notice how with Republicans, "youthful indiscretion" is allowed to flow over into middle age?
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CVille Dem
August 31, 2009 6:29 PM
Creigh Deeds isn't insulting you, you idjit -- your own words insult you, and any Virginian who would be stupid enough to vote for you! Thank you Thank you Thank you for this great gift!
I know that there are plenty of your "base" who agree with you anyway. What this paper does, (written when you were an adult -- chronologically if not intellectually) is wake up those who might have slept through this election. You know -- women who work, fornicators, homosexuals, unwed mothers, and all the men who think you are as full of shit as the rest of us do. B'Bye -- You suck!
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barkleyg
August 31, 2009 6:48 PM
I have been looking for the right spot to try out this joke.
I've heard that at Regent University, the first class you have to take is Jesus(pronounced hasuuss)101: GOD over Constitution !!
Drum roll or the hook?
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FebM
August 31, 2009 9:29 PM in reply to barkleyg
Let them worship their gop in vain
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slb
September 1, 2009 1:19 AM in reply to barkleyg
If that is supposed to be a joke, then I'd advise you not to give up your day job.
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DaleD
August 31, 2009 7:00 PM
Is there any record of McDonnell commenting on Justice Sotomayor's "wise latina" remark?
Could be another strike of hypocrisy against him.
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mcc
August 31, 2009 7:51 PM in reply to DaleD
Checking google it would appear that McDonnell constistently took a strong stand of avoiding answering questions about Sonya Sotomayor.
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RayMD
August 31, 2009 7:01 PM
I'd be interested to take these points of issue and juxtapose them with more recent formulations. If they held, then let's talk about it. On the other hand, if he's moderated his views in demonstrable ways, then, perhaps, there's hope he can grow as a political leader.
I find the statements reprehensible.
Unfortunately, I have heard worse from coworkers, associates, neighbors in the past.
Some have changed.
Seems like the whole nation is going through a form of maturation. one hopes....
If, as many fear, this is an ideological tract that amplifies his philosophy then he deserves scrutiny.
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mjshep
August 31, 2009 8:01 PM in reply to RayMD
Just out of curiosity, were any of these coworkers, associates, or neighbors running for Governor? Or any office, for that matter?
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RayMD
August 31, 2009 10:32 PM in reply to mjshep
I don't like what he wrote. I don't agree with the philosophy that "informs" his statements. I meant to put the emphasis on what is this man doing and saying---what has he done of late, what are his positions now? (I don't know, myself)
And, yes, at 34 one ought to have sorted out a good deal by that point.
Not a very promising conclusion, I'll grant.
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slb
September 1, 2009 1:29 AM in reply to RayMD
From the Washington Post article on McDonnell's thesis:
I am also mindful that there is a school of Christianist thought that says that it is not a sin to tell what they call a "heavenly lie" -- that is, to lie to those you consider the unbelievers in order to advance the agenda of the believers. Not only do they say it is not a sin, they actually encourage it. So I simply don't believe him when he says he disavows what he wrote.
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slb
September 1, 2009 1:34 AM in reply to slb
Oh, and this "decades-old" thesis that he supposedly hasn't thought about in years, and is now disavowing? From the WaPo article:
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RayMD
September 1, 2009 9:09 AM in reply to slb
Thanik you for highlighting those initiatives.
Appreciate the explanation of heavenly lies.
Could you cite? link?
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
September 1, 2009 6:09 AM in reply to slb
Too bad all those Martyrs were not in on the Heavenly Lie BS....they could have lied to the Romans and saved their butts without loosing their souls.
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Redshift
September 1, 2009 2:24 PM in reply to RayMD
He hasn't. He started downplaying his extreme conservative views once he gained statewide office and had eyes on the governor's mansion, but there are no demonstrable ways in which he's behaved more moderately. He's done his best to make it look like he's a nice, moderate guy, without taking an actual moderate actions.
Even in this short article, that is evident. Note, for example, that he says "Government should not discriminate based on race or sex or creed or sexual orientation..." to avoid mentioning that he believes government should do nothing about businesses discriminating on that basis, and when in the legislature repeatedly voted against laws to do that. He says "I am fully supportive of women working in the workplace" to avoid mentioning that he has opposed laws to support them.
His entire schtick is "I haven't personally done anything abhorrent"; he's just supported legislation to do abhorrent things. Because you know, when you're choosing a governor, the important thing is how he'll treat individual people personally, not how he'll pursue a legislative and governing agenda that will affect millions of people...
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Terry Carroll
August 31, 2009 7:04 PM
When Barack Obama was thirty-four, he wrote "Dreams from My Father."
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FebM
August 31, 2009 9:30 PM in reply to Terry Carroll
Oh, well it just takes some people longer to grow up!
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Terry Carroll
August 31, 2009 7:16 PM
I'd gladly stand by my master's thesis, written at the age of 28 in 1988. It was an analysis (favorable) of the Burger Court as a continuation and advancing of the Warren Court in the areas of race, gender, and reproductives rights.
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windowpane
August 31, 2009 7:21 PM
This goes to show that you can't serve two masters. He was clearly sucking up to someone at the time. Possibly trolling for a plum White House job. Didn't Monica Goodling get her JD from Regent?
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pdxer
August 31, 2009 7:31 PM
He doesn't believe government should discriminate against gays, but in the assembly he voted to forbid private companies from extending insurance benefits to domestic partners. Anyone ask him about that in the conference call?
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runfastandwin
August 31, 2009 7:40 PM
If he won't defend his thesis, which is the culmination of your educational career, then what will he defend? If he was 34, and he entered school at the age of 5 like most of us, that means he spent 29 years formulating that thesis, well more than half his life. And he wants us to believe all those years were essentially wasted?
I don't buy it.
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happycozy
August 31, 2009 7:53 PM
I hope Deeds keeps pushing him on his 18-year political record and comparing it to his thesis because from what I understand, he was still a nutter, voting against wage equality for women in 2001.
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SqueakyRat
August 31, 2009 8:05 PM
I think it's interesting that sticking with these religious wingnut opinions is now obvious political death in a statewide VA election.
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sherifffruitfly
August 31, 2009 8:19 PM
(shrug) Ok, fine. Let's play the game.
So Mr. McDonnell - you're a liar.
What else have you lied to us about?
Why should anyone ever believe anything you say?
(I have no idea why he chose to get into this particular game, but I don't really care about the reason, either.)
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Rutrow
August 31, 2009 8:41 PM
Come on independent voters! I'm a Republican! I don't believe any of the religious crap I spout.
Republican voters. Disregard the preceding message. I love the Lord!
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awb
August 31, 2009 9:01 PM
another candidate for "C" street??
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Rader
August 31, 2009 9:06 PM
McDonnell keeps mentioning Deeds as if Deeds wrote the thesis in order to cause McDonnell problems. What does Deeds have to do with this at all? Is the Washington Post another name for Deeds? They published the article that got this going, and yet McDonnell bashes Deeds for it. He's a rightwing hypocrite, nothing too new about that. Those two words "rightwing" and "hypocrite" seem to go together just like the words "Republican" and "closet-case".
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slb
September 1, 2009 1:37 AM in reply to Rader
Is the Washington Post another name for Deeds?
According to the right-wingers, yes. It's all part of the liberal media conspiracy, you know.
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rynato
August 31, 2009 9:14 PM
A degree from Regent University should be automatically suspect...
I wonder how this looks to the average citizen of VA. I mean, I don't see how this guy doesn't look bad... either he really denies believing ALL of that stuff, and he just looks craven and willing to say anything to get elected... or he believes at least some of it, which is pretty noxious.
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slb
September 1, 2009 1:40 AM in reply to rynato
He's trying to pull a Mitt Romney on Virginia. I fervently hope people don't fall for it, but Creigh Deeds has an uphill battle, even with this.
It was fortunate for the Democrats that Allen's "macaca moment" was caught on video -- that set it up to go viral. It will be a little harder for something like this to do the same thing.
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Official A
September 1, 2009 6:39 AM in reply to slb
But does McDonnell have magic underwear?
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FebM
August 31, 2009 9:32 PM
next will be confessions from the Appalachian trail, LOL!
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johnmccsf
August 31, 2009 10:05 PM
April Fool!
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napalmgod
August 31, 2009 10:07 PM
So the definition of "Family" goes back to Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden?
Uh, how did that family turn out?
Something about Cain and Abel, wasn't it?
-ng
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slb
September 1, 2009 1:41 AM in reply to napalmgod
LOL!!! Very good point! The original dysfunctional family...
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Karl the Marxist
September 1, 2009 5:16 AM in reply to napalmgod
Plus there was that whole Lilith affair.
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dougom
August 31, 2009 10:20 PM
I sincerely hope that the people of Virginia do not fall for this dweeb's baloney. "I may have believed that once, but now that I'm running for office, I'm a really, really good guy!" Yeah, uh huh, sure; that's what the Right told us with Bush and his "Compassionate Conservatism", and we all know how well that worked out.
Come on, Virginians: hand this loon his hat and show him the door. Please.
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slb
September 1, 2009 1:42 AM in reply to dougom
From your mouth to God's ears!
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NobleCommentDecider
August 31, 2009 10:39 PM
I'm looking for a sign Lord!...I'm looking, listenin'..
.....looking for a sign......do you hear that friends? That may seem to you like the humming sound of an airplane going by, but it is the voices of the Heavenly Angels saying "I forgive McDonnell, I forgive all Republicans, for they know not what they do, they know not how they sin...."
Devil you will not get McDonnell tonite!!
And G-a-w-d Bless All Republicans Everywhere!
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ericf
September 1, 2009 1:21 AM
Why is he allowed to talk about Adam and Eve being literal and still get taken seriously? As much as he wants to detach himself from what he used to think, that sounds like a dead giveaway that he doesn't mean it.
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Matt Jones
September 1, 2009 1:44 AM
If Bill Ayers' activities 40 years ago are an "issue", than this certainly counts.
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Savilon
September 1, 2009 3:51 AM
McDonnell claims:
The U.S. was founded to _free_us_ from England's laws and to ensure that we would remain free, the founding fathers instituted a separation of church and state that the Church-state England did not have.
For a while now I've been following what the right has been claiming. They seem to point to times PRIOR to the Revolutionary War, back to the colonies, as the "foundation" of our nation and without regard to the wishes or intent of the founding fathers. I believe this man's views are no different than what I've been seeing coming out of the Republican propaganda machine.
This is just another example of a Republican who would be happier living in a country such as England was for so long, governed by the church and where The Bible is the law. If we leave the government up to Republicans it will feel like we have a church-state, because that's essentially what it will be.
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barryashe
September 1, 2009 4:46 AM
Oh, Ye of Little Faith!
The Lord has spoken to me once again and assured me that He intervened once more to reveal the hypocrisy of the GOP tools of Satan, Christie and McDonnell. He thought that He would have restored confidence to His chosen people, the Democrats, by His destruction of the "C" Street Coven minions of Satan, Ensign, Sanford, Pickering, and Coburn, all within a matter of days virtually, but, No!, the naysayers, those of little faith, would not embrace the Holy Spirit and renew their faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil. He then decided to make a further demonstration of His divine will by smiting both of the most prominent Pharisees of the 2009 campaign, Christie and McDonnell, in just one week. How much proof do we need?
Furthermore He has confirmed to me that He will allow no GOP hypocrite son of Satan, my redundancy, not His, to long continue to hide their true nature should they venture into the public arena. This will not be the last manifestation of His judgment. All GOP evildoers must know that His days of testing the chosen people with the Golden Calves are over and the days of redemption are upon us.
He also wants us all to know that, contrary to current CW, He does have a sense of humor, as evidenced by many of the strange creatures He caused Satan to empower, and that He has a keen sense of style, which was offended mightily by Christie's gluttony and McDonnell's dye job. He also works in strange ways His wonders to perform, as witnessed by his use of the Mainstream Media for His purposes when it suits Him, as evidenced by the WaPo breaking the McDonnell story.
Relax, saith the Lord. He will not fail us.
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Armageddon T. Thunderbird
September 1, 2009 6:18 AM
Couldn't this get get into a better school? One with real credentials and that take thinks like science & history seriously? I mean come on...the Garden of Eden? Is this another retard who thinks the world is 8000 years old and the Flintstones was a documentary?
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Official A
September 1, 2009 6:36 AM
"We discriminated on no basis at all."
That sounds about right.
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Lovelynina
September 1, 2009 8:27 AM
Here's your one and only choice, McDonnell: Do you believe that one must acknowledge that homosexuals, cohabitors and fornicators (blech!) have among us equal station and rights; or do you believe that one can spew any old claptrap as a sycophantic homage to a narrow-minded college to procure a worthless degree?
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Walter Mitty
September 1, 2009 9:09 AM
Considering one of his thesis points was "Don't change your extreme views, just pretend you are a moderate" you really can't believe anything he says now.
I believe that was point #15...
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Savilon
September 1, 2009 11:38 AM in reply to Walter Mitty
If you can find the actual text of that point in his document I'd really like to have it. At the moment I'm trying to get the PDF file of his thesis converted to searchable text. With that I think we could do a lot more damage... I mean good. :-)
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Savilon
September 1, 2009 11:39 AM
Regarding my earlier comment here, I just noticed this other excerpt from the WaPo article:
Interesting! he feels the separation of church and state is a one way street? That's a scary thought, and one which I'm fairly certain that historians could disprove. For all I know he no longer believes this but he had a big nerve putting it in his thesis without first checking it out.
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Savilon
September 1, 2009 12:42 PM
As for those who believe him when he claims he no longer holds these beliefs, I'll point back to the WaPo article which also details his abortion views:
I support waiting periods for gun purchases. It makes sense to me that if someone is mad as hell and ready to kill someone today, that such a person is far more dangerous if they can purchase the gun the same day. Abortions are different. Women get abortions because they already have children or have inadequate social or financial support. Waiting 24 hours will not change their minds.
What a 24 hour waiting period means for the person seeking the abortion is that if a single mother has to drive an hour or two in order to get to one of the few abortion clinics in her (red) state, she needs to then drive home and tend to her existing children, and come back the next day for the actual abortion. It would not be quite so bad if they allowed her to phone-in the start of her 24 hour waiting period, but they don't, and they don't because the law is written to make it harder for such people to get abortions, that's why!
also from the WaPo article,
Which I interpret to mean that even conservatives feel he's too conservative. It is pretty hard to imagine that between his thesis and his current views on homosexuality and abortion rights that he could even pretend to be at all "moderate", that is, without affixing horns and a tail to the conservative extremists.
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neesy08
September 1, 2009 3:53 PM
I think the damage is done. He is awflly yong to have such draconian views regarding women. I sppose he idolizes Knox and Calvin, to name a couple.
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Gene
September 1, 2009 5:17 PM
It would be sad if we still believed the same at 21 as we did at age 7, or at 34 the same as 21, or 54 the same as 34? That would mean we haven't grown, haven't learned, haven't expanded our world, our understanding? My views are a LOT different from when I was younger. I'm more kind, loving, tolerant, patient, and understanding? Maybe Jesus was right when he said the highest order of human behavior is learning to love God and ALL other people as much as we love ourselves? Even those whom we love to hate?
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Mike Licht
September 1, 2009 5:32 PM
Bob McDonnell just lost the crucial Virginia fornicator vote.
See:
http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/gop-scholarship-loses-crucial-virginia-fornicator-vote/
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GTFOOH
September 1, 2009 5:44 PM
Ole McDonnell had a plan,
E-I-E-I-O
He gave working women the back of his hand,
E-I-E-I-O
With a knuckle drag here and a knuckle drag there,
here a drag, there a drag, everywhere a drag, drag...
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