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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knows how to twist arms, and some on the left worry that she might twist liberal arms to pass a health care bill without a public option. But apparently that's beyond her power.

"There is no way I can pass a bill in the House of Representatives without a public option," she said to a crowd in California, noting that regional health care co-ops won't get the job done. "If they want to have [co-ops] for their state, perhaps that could be included in the legislation. But it is not a substitute for a public option."

The House Energy and Commerce Committee has agreed to a provision that would allow states to erect co-ops in addition to the public option. But a large progressive bloc insists that the overall bill must contain a public option or it won't pass.

Pelosi appears to be putting the White House and Senate on notice--there must be a public option, or there won't be health care reform for a very long time. "Let me just be very clear," she said. "If we don't pass this bill with all the comprehensive aspects of it now, I don't know when we'll have a chance to do it."

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mcc

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August 20, 2009 6:00 PM   

THANK you

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August 20, 2009 7:35 PM    in reply to mcc

I'm almost as big a believer in Pelosi as I am in the Tooth Fairy.

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August 20, 2009 11:44 PM    in reply to tiowally

Ah, still upset because you didn't get what you thought your teeth were worth? When has Pelosi not been true to her word? There must be instances, as there are with any of us. Nor is being a "believer" necessary in politics. But why would you expect any of us here to believe your disbelief? We know Pelosi's record - a good one to my mind. Your record?

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August 20, 2009 11:59 PM    in reply to mcc

Yes, I think Speaker Pelosi has done a great job. Sadly, I have seen my own Republican Party work very long and hard to destroy her. But alas, she always out-foxes them every time and they just look silly and futile. I think that now, Speaker Pelosi has cooperated quite enough on the health care side and she is free to push the health care bill through any way she can. Elections do have consequences and as a moderate Republican, I shall be very disappointed if the Democrats do not push the health care agenda through to completion. I must warn all of you though that the Republican party is prepared to play very dirty on this one. And if they do, they may find themselves out in the dark with a very obvious minority status for years to come because moderates like me will bolt the party, no matter how long it has been my political home. But alas, I have not left the party, they made it impossible for moderate Republicans to stay.

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August 20, 2009 6:17 PM   

B-b-b-but Glen Greenwald unequivocally claims that Democrats are deliberately embracing bipartisanship because the watered down bill is what they really want.

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August 20, 2009 6:23 PM    in reply to AdAbsurdum

And you think he was talking about the House Progressive Caucus? Your reading comprehension skills must be sadly lacking.

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August 20, 2009 7:19 PM    in reply to Steve LaBonne

I do hope he grants due credit to Madame Speaker after so vilifying the Democratic leadership.

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August 20, 2009 6:20 PM   

fingers crossed.

lets do this!

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August 20, 2009 6:22 PM   

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is really important because if any of the progressives were thinking about weaseling on their pledge, she's cutting off their escape route.

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August 20, 2009 6:41 PM   

Sounds like the lady finally got some cojones. Lets see if this really is meaningful or just some political hot air.

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August 20, 2009 8:12 PM    in reply to OCPatriot

Actually she has always had the cohones. The rest of them have not but Nancy has always been a force. She is one of the hardest working true democrats ever.

I love Nancy Pelosi. If the right hates her that much, you know damn well she's doing a great job.

Keep it up Nancy.

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August 20, 2009 10:13 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

Exactly. The concerted Repuke campaign of lies, vitriol, and vilification against Madame Speaker has been very successful, as seen by how many 'libs' have internalized it. The Repig program of character assassination is, of course, a sign of just how much fear and respect she commands from the dark side. Out of all the Dem leaders right now, especially Reid but including Obama, Pelosi gets my vote for the rootinest, tootinest varmint killer this side of the Pecos. We're damn lucky to have someone of her caliber on our side.

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August 20, 2009 11:01 PM    in reply to lousgirl84

I agree with you 100 per cent on Pelosi. She has not been the problem, it has been the senate and the wimpy leadership of Reed. The Whitehouse hasn't helped a lot either. I don't know what is up with the President. I just haven't seen the passion in him that is needed to get this done. He is driving his supporters crazy with this continual talk of bipartisanship when the other side clearly only wants to kill health care reform.

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August 21, 2009 1:01 AM    in reply to svjim

I know the speculation about 27th-dimensional political chess games gets tiresome, but Obama has played this one right. He's maintained the line that he'd like bipartisanship, while letting Rahm make the point that you can't work with people who don't believe any reform is needed at all. I think the statements by Obama and Sebelius over the weekend about public option not being the be-all, end-all centerpiece of reform were designed for two things: to energize progressives and to flush out the Republicans as obstructionists - success on both fronts. Within 24 hours progressives were up in arms, emailing, calling, and attending public meetings. Also within 24 hours, several Republicans had moved on to attacking the alternative to a public option - the co-ops - nicely reinforcing the story that's building about how they simply don't believe anything needs to be done. So...chill on the prez a bit. Look, give the guy credit for not going down the road the Clintons went down - he's smart enough to make his party in Congress figure it out so they don't all have a stake in picking it apart. I think we'll find that overall his lower profile on this will be beneficial. I mean, for christ's sake, even though it's not HIS plan, the mouth-breathers are equating it with him anyway. Imagine how much more off the rails they'd be if he actually HAD tried to craft a bill the way the Clintons did, or even if he was out pushing really aggressively on any particular point. There's a good number of people out there who haven't yet jumped on the bus to crazytown who still are ...uncomfortable with Obama. Because, you know, he's like BLACKITY BLACK BLACK and therefore, a suspicious character. In the long run, reform will be easier to pass if it isn't TOO closely associated with Obama and is more generally associated with the Democratic congress. There's a certain portion of the population - roughly + or - 20% - who think health care reform is needed, but didn't vote for Obama. Not having Obama in majority ownership of the reform effort makes it easier for those folks to remain supportive of it.

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August 21, 2009 7:40 AM    in reply to JennOfArk

OMG! If Obama literally shot himself in the foot, there would be some people insisting he did on purpose as some brilliant act of political ju-jitsu. (Disclosure, I wrote in Feingold rather than vote for Obama. He finally lost me by voting for immunity for telecoms. Since I live in NY, I could afford to cast a protest vote.)

But enough with the Genius Of Obama (GOO), already! His comments seem to have as much disdain for a good part of his base - the "left" - as do many republicans. And this is by no means the first instance. He could have at least taken some responsibility and admitted they chose their words poorly. We just got rid of one "infallible" president. We don't need another.

If he has so little regard for the people that were among the most active in getting him elected, why should they continue to support him? It is becoming increasingly clear he shares few progressive values.

Regularly alienating your base: genius!

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August 21, 2009 8:29 AM    in reply to cawleybo

Yes, and your superior political acumen is why you're here and he's in the White House, yes?

Look, who do you think who supported him will be "alienated" if he gets this thing passed? Hmmmm? I mean, besides you.

You could try, you know, to dispute what others have said by offering an alternate interpretation instead of "OMG, I just can't believe how stupid SOME PEOPLE are for looking not just at what is said but at the effect it has." Since you haven't, we have to guess your alternative intepretation is "Obama said something I didn't like, and this proves he sold us down the river." And the proof is...? You know, we don't even have a bill yet.

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August 20, 2009 6:46 PM   

I hope this is true, but will only believe it when it happens.

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August 20, 2009 6:58 PM   

Pelosi rocks.

The public option is core.

And rumors of its demise are greatly exaggerated.

Let the waffling senators know!
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/observer2/2009/08/public-option-senate-contact-l.php

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August 20, 2009 6:59 PM   

Go Nancy! As terrible a job as it is to "force" health care on our populace, someone has to do it! Brava for not succumbing to the bullshit artists!

Nancy hasn't wavered from Day 1. Why should we doubt her?

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August 20, 2009 7:00 PM   

Good. Let the Blue Dogs crack for once. They're the ones at the most risk if health care fails in 2010, not the progressive caucus.

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August 20, 2009 7:05 PM   

Hey, Nancy -- instead of CREATING a PUBLIC OPTION, how about just making MEDICARE available to everyone? Or maybe start by lowering the Medicare age to 55, see how that goes, then lower it some more, then all the way? Why reinvent the government health system we've already got?

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August 20, 2009 11:48 PM    in reply to JimmyBobby

Medicare available to everyone would be a form of the public option. Gradualism wouldn't be Medicare available to everyone though. We already know that Medicare is far more cost effective than private insurers - even with all the fraud by physicians and hospitals against Medicare. Extend Medicare to everyone, introduce death penalties (or at least life in prison) for fraud against it, and we're on our way.

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August 20, 2009 7:35 PM   

Can she do a mind/backbone meld with Obama and Reid?

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August 20, 2009 8:00 PM   

If Harry Reid was half the leader Pelosi is, the DEMs would be a majority party for the next couple of decades.

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August 20, 2009 8:59 PM   

We need to thank Pelosi for speaking out in favor of the needs of the people...Carrots you know! Reid is a chicken necked weak kneed leader that needs to be replaced along with Conrad...Call congress and tell them we need our representatives to go with the NEEDS of the peole Not their Corporate donors! Pelosi knows that it is her charge as an elected official to do the work of the people not the HC lobbyists! It is good she has come to the table ---finally but REID is a weak tit---chicken necked and fumbling--no leadership!

CALL them 1.800.828.0498 or 1.866.2200044. or Conrad directly 1.800.224.7776.

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August 20, 2009 9:01 PM   

Let speaker Pelosi know:

http://speaker.house.gov/contact/

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August 20, 2009 9:04 PM   

I've been very impressed with Pelosi. On the stimulus bill, cap & trade, health care etc., she's pragmatic but also smart and tough. And we already knew she was a good liberal.

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August 21, 2009 10:07 AM    in reply to David

Yes, Pelosi is a good liberal, tough and pragmatic. Savvy as well. She only brings stuff to the floor when she knows she has votes. Which makes me confident in her appraisal this time.

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August 20, 2009 11:57 PM   

In the Senate the health care reform bill has been controlled by a committee chaired by Max Baucus, of Montana, a state which represents .3% of the population of the entire country. Worse, Baucus has accepted (according to accounts I have heard) $1,600,000 from the major health insurance companies, big pharma, and for-profit health care companies, all of whose CEO's are paid millions of dollars a year in salary and stock options. Baucus holds hearings in private, and negotiates directly with the Republicans on this issue. Baucus has several times announced that a single-payer system, or a public option, will not be considered.

Who does Baucus represent? His constituents? Ordinary Americans who are facing bankruptcy because of medical expenses? Or Wall Street interests? If he were a judge in a court of law, he would be forced to recuse himself because of the money he has accepted from the health care industry. Yet he is allowed to control the legislation that is so important to so many people.

No Republicans will vote for health care reform, so the Democrats will need all 60 votes in the Senate to pass any legislation. Thus, a single senator, for example Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, a strong advocate of a single payer plan, could kill any bill which did not contain a strong public option.

If the health care reform bill goes down to defeat, too bad; but a health care reform bill without a public option would be a far worse outcome. There is always next year, which is an election year. I think those legislators who support a public option would win re-election; many of those opposing it would find get thrown out.

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August 21, 2009 12:57 AM    in reply to dhs

DHS

The Senate bill doesn't need to contain a public option. We only need a PO in the House bill and then we can send a PO back to the Senate after conference. In that case, if it's going to be filibustered, opponents would have to do an actual old school, read-from-the-phonebook filibuster... which requires a lot more to pull off.

And even if they were to succeed, the reconciliation option remains on the table.

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August 21, 2009 2:42 AM   

Something bothers me.

How can patriotic Americans pay even one second of attention to a person who says they health care when, at the same time, believe it is okay to torture other human beings?

Remember folks. Pelosi took punishment off the table for important people who promoted and carried through with atrocities...

Of course, so did many other opportunists who promised voters equal justice and rule of law.

I hesitate to continue to believe folks who lie, and when they also protect the powerful who have destroyed this nation's credibility.... I no longer consider them decent human beings.

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August 21, 2009 10:05 AM    in reply to johnnydoughey

"believe it is okay to torture other human beings?"

Who the hell are you talking about?

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August 21, 2009 10:40 AM    in reply to johnnydoughey

And the award for single-issue off topic derailment goes to...

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